THIS is why:
""In a stunning network hop, Lifetime announced Monday that The Weinstein Co. has signed a five-year deal with the femme-centric cabler to take over the show - cable’s top-rated reality skein - effective this November. sixth season will premiere on Lifetime in November.
According to Lifetime prexy/CEO Andrea Wong, the two sides first started talking in January, and signed the deal on Feb. 7. As part of an overall programming agreement with the Weinstein Co., Lifetime will pick up a movie package from the company, and develop other projects (including, perhaps, a “Runway” spinoff).
Lifetime’s announcement came just as NBC U was filing suit against TWC. Peacock claims Weinstein didn’t give NBC U proper notification that another party had made an offer for “Runway,” and that as a result, the sale to Lifetime is invalid. What’s more, NBC said the Weinstein Co. had continued to conduct “sham negotiations” with the Peacock after Feb. 7.
"They’ve been sold stolen goods,” an NBC U insider said of the Lifetime deal.
Suit also alleges that TWC had been negotiating a package deal for "Runway" in which the show would move from Bravo to another NBC U property, most likely the NBC broadcast net. In addition, Peacock would be forced to buy a package of TWC movies, with a total package price of $150 million.
"NBC has continuing legal rights related to ‘Project Runway,’ including a right of first refusal to future cycles of the series, which The Weinstein Company unfortunately has refused to honor,” a NBC U spokeswoman said. “NBC Universal regrettably had no alternative but to bring legal action to enforce its rights to this program, including the right to decide whether it is in the best interest of the company to continue to air the show under the proposed financial terms."
Plans are still underway for Bravo to air season five of “Runway.” According to the suit, the Weinstein Co. asked Bravo to launch the season in July, rather than in the fall. In a concession to the Weinsteins, NBC/Bravo said it agreed to do so.
Now, with Lifetime slated to air its "Runway" in November, that would mean three cycles of the show would air in 2008.
In a statement, Weinstein counsel David Boies said he believed the lawsuit was "without merit."
"While good for the market for lawyers, it is always unfortunate when parties try to win in court what they have lost in the marketplace," Boies said.
The show’s defection to Lifetime was announced Monday by Wong and Weinstein Co. co-chairmen Harvey and Bob Weinstein.
"'Project Runway' is one of the best television programs on the air today on broadcast or cable,” Wong said. “I am a huge fan. All my friends are huge fans. Having watercooler movies, dramas, and reality shows like ‘Project Runway’ is what Lifetime Television is all about. We welcome The Weinstein Company, Heidi Klum and Tim Gunn to the Lifetime family for many walks down the runway to come."
In a statement, the Weinsteins thanked NBC and Bravo for helping nurture the show into a hit, but said “having Lifetime’s unique cable reach will ensure that the show will continue to grow and expand in the years to come." "Lifetime is one of the strongest cable networks in the industry, with great leadership and a true commitment to original programming," the Weinsteins said. "We are very excited for the many new opportunities that will now be provided to ‘Runway’ and its fans and look forward to premiering the sixth season in November 2008.""
We honestly don't know what to think about this. We're huge fans of Bravo and they've been very good to us, not to mention we have many relationships with the people over there. We can't help but think this isn't good news.On the other hand, we get two seasons of the show this year, so that's a definite plus. On the other, OTHER hand, it's somewhat notable that Michael and Nina aren't mentioned in the press release and we wouldn't be a bit surprised if they don't follow the show over to LifeTime.
The idea of Lifetime doing spinoffs of the show just smells like ""Project Runway, L.A." to us. Not sure how we feel about that one either.
We just don't know. One of the many reasons we love the show is because it was on Bravo, the most gay-friendly cable network around. While Lifetime certainly isn't UNfriendly to the gays, we can't help but fear for our baby.
What do you bitches think?
[Illustration: Project Rungay - Photos: Bravotv.com/Mylifetime.com]
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 270 of 270 Newer› Newest»Donna L. said...
"A lot of the complaints seem faintly misogynistic to me. Oh my God! I can't watch a woman's channel! There might be tampon ads; ewwww, how icky! Please, grow up already."
Uhhh...huh? No. No, this is not remotely what ANYONE is saying. It would be strange of them to do so considering how MANY commenters are women.
They are saying, correctly, that Lifetime is a channel for doddering old people with no taste.
Will PR change or start to change that? Perhaps. But the channel itself is horrible and has been horrible since its inception.
hate hate hate the idea of PR on Lifetime. I hate Lifetime and never watched one minute of ANY show on that channel.
If Nina and Michael don't follow, I don't think I can watch anymore. It's just not the same without the Duchess and Nina.
And spin offs? Oh gag.
How Un-Fierce that such a stylish, fashion forward, innovative T.V. phenomenon gets to Lifetime television which holds a demographic very different than that of Bravo which is home to Queer Eye for the Straight Guy ( off the air), Make Me a Supermodel, Millionaire Matchmaker, Workout, and Sheer Genius. I'm glad Bravo’s parent company isn’t taking this lying down they are planning to get litigious with it!
mssangrail: "do all women really thrive on a steady diet of tearjerker dramathons featuring prime time has-beens?"
OMG! Can you imagine if the S3 Moms challenge had originally aired on Lifetime? 2 weeks later it would have been a TV movie called "Why Am I Being Treated This Way? The Darlene Keyslar Story"
I can't see Lifetime embracing the Santinos and Jeffreys that happen along PR's path. I hope they know what they're in for...
Anonymous said...
"Am I the only one who thought it was obvious that anon was being facetious about not reading the blog if Gotham Tomato didn't apologize?
Remarks about the lynching and oppression of "h*word" folks gave it away."
No.....this little gal from Little Rock got it! And Zombiebird, I knew where you were from as soon as you said "hogtrail"! GO HOGS!
Now....back to our regularly scheduled PR commentary......
"uncle vanya said...
OMG! Can you imagine if the S3 Moms challenge had originally aired on Lifetime? 2 weeks later it would have been a TV movie called "Why Am I Being Treated This Way? The Darlene Keyslar Story"
ROFLMAO. That is hilarious!!!
"I can't see Lifetime embracing the Santinos and Jeffreys that happen along PR's path. I hope they know what they're in for..."
I totally agree.
I am flabbergasted. Where did this come from? Bravo’s been a wonderful host – and as has been pointed out by everyone here - Nina and Michael are as essential to the show as Tim and Heidi. As far as I can tell - no mention has been made of them moving with. Why is it production companies always try and screw with winning combinations? This is why David Chase fought tooth and nail to retain complete control over every aspect of ‘The Sopranos' - and it's why 'The West Wing' fell apart after Aaron Sorkin’s departure.
I will hope for the best – but I am very worried. ‘Runway’ is one of the few shows everyone I know adores. My husband and I look forward to each episode, my best friend, her mother and I discuss it avidly the next day – I would really miss it terribly were it to fade away – not to mention the talented designers who might fall through the cracks without a showcase for their extraordinary talent.
It's odd to think of Bravo without PR. It was the best reality tv show, a respite from the matchmakers, housewives, dried up rock stars and drug addicts.
But I guess it's the old story of free enterprise....
Lifetime is a bigger network with more money. PR was offered a sweeter deal, and Lifetime is broadening its offerings to include more than its usual maudlin offerings.
I think as the recession continues, you'll see more networks changing. Some will cease to exist. Others will broaden what they offer.
I don't watch Lifetime.
So I went over to the site.
I think Lifetime has done wonderful things for women, like bringing to light issues of domestic violence, voting and breast cancer to the forefront.
I don't see it as a place for "hillbillies" but as a rather shrewd network that knows exactly what it's doing when it comes to targeting a demographic and pushing its own social concerns.
But still, I don't see PR as a perfect fit. Sure, it'll pull in ratings which are getting harder to come by as those of us in the demographic that pays for cable become increasingly bored with the offerings. But Lifetime just doesn't have that edge that Bravo has, and it's difficult to imagine PR up on a site with tabs that say, "Home and Crafts" "Astrology" "Games."
So unless they're completely overhauling the Lifetime Network (which they might be doing), imagining PR on there next to Memory Keeper's Daughter is a bit farfetched.
Sorry. It's just how I feel. But I do understand in the final analysis...it's all about money, and PR was offered a lot more to sashay over to the other aisle.
And I can't wait to see Tim coaching a doily competition or Michael showing us how to cook a la Martha Stewart.
''Now they're just trying to distract attention from the fact that they lost this program,'' Boies said. ''[NBC Universal is] embarrassed and looking for somebody else to blame.'' (Boies is a Weinstein lawyer)
New York Times has a bunch of articles on this- I pulled this quote from the AP article. There's one in the business section as well.
Now, the first thing that I thought when I saw this quote was why would NBC sue if they're "looking for someone else to blame"? Both companies probably have huge funds and lawyers on retainer for this sort of thing, and if NBC really does have a right to PR, they're going to fight for it. Sounds like TWC's up to something.
Also, as a teenager who watches the show and reads TLo, I highly doubt the other people in my homeroom who watch PR (and some who do read this blog) would watch Lifetime. Try Gossip Girl or Chuck, both of which are on NBC, and PR or Top Chef, which are on Bravo. People don't view Lifetime in an exactly positive light, and I bet some would refuse to watch PR if it were on Lifetime on principle.
Finally, I don't know how Lifetime is distributed in cable packages vs Bravo, but here in NY we get Bravo as our basic cable, but not Lifetime (not that anyone in my house would watch it).
Oh Dear. I suppose it would have been more PC to say 'redneck' instead of 'hillbilly'.
Afterall, I wouldn't want to imply that Ellie Mae & Granny are watching Lifetime. And, of course, Jethro is definately a Bravo man; spending his afternoons out by the cement pond writing long fan letters to SissyBear.
--GothamTomato
Part of the key to PR success on Lifetime depends on what Lifetime programming surrounds the show. Do they have anything new in the pipeline, 'cause what they've got now seems an awful fit.
Perhaps they'll lead in with the Carson Kressley show people have mentioned?
And, will this deal include rights to rebroadcast all the previous seasons (including the new Season 5) or will they be kept by Bravo?
NBC is so lame to let this happen.
-- desertwind
GT, I luv ya darlin', but must you stir the hornet's nest?
-- d'wind
anon: "--will this deal include rights to rebroadcast all the previous seasons (including the new Season 5) or will they be kept by Bravo?"
No, Bravo owns seasons 1-5. They can (and hopefully will) keep rerunning them. The old seasons won't be showing up on Lifetime anytime soon.
Gigi said, I somehow don't see people like Sarah Jessica Parker and Posh being willing to guest star on a show that is on Lifetime instead of Bravo.
Actually, I recently saw a movie that starred SJP (In the Best Interest of the Children) on Lifetime or was it Lifetime Movie Network (LMN)? In any case, she has been there, done that!
As for Posh, well, I don't think my brain could handle the strain of watching her try to act - it has a hard enough time believing she tries to sing.
Well, I know I'm going to get crap for this but really, people Lifetime is not that bad. Yes, it does tend to air a lot of "women in peril" movies with all of the stars mentioned but it's also had some good original programming that you've missed out on because you hate a channel for it's stereotype. As it's already been mentioned, Bravo wasn't always so great itself, a lot of it's reputation was made on Project Runway. They can still produce some awful stuff. I also agree with the person who pointed out that Lifetime won't be producing it so it probably won't change that much. Another words, calm down, people and don't believe all of the stereotyping.
Being at the end of such a long trail of comments is probably like spitting into the wind, but I agree with agnes gooch and linda merrill.
1. As with all of show biz these days, it's about the money. The Weinsteins needed someone to buy their meager and not very good film library (they didn't get to keep any Miramax films when they split with Disney) and PR was the bait.
2. Switching to Lifetime doesn't necessarily change PR because the network isn't the producer. And Lifetime may be trying to refashion itself the way almost every cable channel has tried to do. Remember when A&E did 'Pride & Prejudice' with Colin Firth and 'Emma' with Kate Beckinsale? A lot different network than they are now. Same with Bravo which started out as the arts channel. I don't like what Lifetime shows now, but maybe they're trying to 'hip up' and that's a good thing.
3. If the facts relayed in a previous post are accurate, we're in for a good fight. What they had was an exchange of letters that ended with Harvey saying he 'intended' to honor what was said in NBC's previous letter. Is that a binding commitment? David Boies or other legal counsel probably helped draft it so that it wouldn't be binding. The Weinsteins like a good fight and it looks like they have one. Let's hope PR is not the one that ends up on the floor with a mortal wound.
4. Getting new blood if the Duchess and La Chica don't return could be either a good or bad thing depending on who replaced them. The replacements need to have industry cred if they want to continue to attract bona fide industry types (DVF, Wang, Posen, Cavalli, Feretti et al.) rather than just celebs like Posh, Debra Messing. And one of them has to be able to snark like Michael Kors. I'd hate to see his humor gone if there's no one else who's equally funny.
5. At some point, PR will hit the wall regardless of which network it's on. Every show does. We can debate whether that's happened yet, but it will. And my guess is that the life span of PR is less than 10 seasons or cycles even if it were to stay on Bravo. There are only so many designers, so many challenges, and so many snarky things you can say.
6. I too am okay if I never see another Andy Cohen interview or hosting experience. Either he didn't go to the coach that Heidi went to after Season 1 or it didn't take.
7. The real danger of diluting the gay-friendly aspects of the show would have been if it moved to NBC primetime. That would have killed the vibe for sure.
"7. The real danger of diluting the gay-friendly aspects of the show would have been if it moved to NBC primetime. That would have killed the vibe for sure."
You do have a point there. Rainwood, my dear, it's always a pleasure to read your comments : )
holy fuck jesus god no.
project runway followed by a new episode of "army wives".
this is a disaster, people.
I don't watch Lifetime Television, but to be honest, I never watched Bravo before PR, so there you go...
I'm really bummed out about this... Didn't Lifetime network state that the show will start in November? Doesn't Bravo still have the rights to one more season?
does this mean they're replacing nina and the dutchess with markie post and joanna kerns?
Ok, Look. I'm not going to abandon the show. I'm just dreading the commercials already. Who really needs to see ads for incontinence, viagra, tampons and douches all in one episode of PR? Not to mention the plugs for upcoming Lifetime "Original" movies and their earth-shattering weekly blah. But, whatever.
I agree with those who have mentioned that the designers/guest judges aren't going to be too interested in reaching the typical Lifetime viewer-- they are after the Bravo demo, at least to be tied to via television appearances. And the advertisers-- we can forget about even the dismal bluefly.com (HATE those misogynistic naked woman commercials) and look forward to JCPenney ads and product placements.
Paul 2:17, there are, in fact, at least two posts on this comment thread complaining about the horrors of having to watch tampon and douche commercials. So perhaps I was being a bit hyperbolic, but not completely.
And as far as David Boies is concerned, well, the Weinsteins may have him, but NBC has Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher. Which is one of the biggest firms in the country.
Really, though, it all comes down to what the parties' agreements say. If they're as clear as the complaint alleges, then, Boies Shmoies, I could win this case.
In case nobody has linked to it before, a copy of the complaint is at http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/projectrunway.pdf?mod=WSJBlog
I am not watching a show that appears on the same network that shows movies like Sixteen/Fifteen/Fourteen/Thirteen/Twelve and Pregnant. Sorry. I have too much pride.
One thing's for sure... they better not replace the judges with three of the Golden Girls.
I love the show PR ............that being said .......I don't love Lifetime.
I think as Jeannette just said .........It sucks.
I fear for the ethics, and the quality of the show.
First, let me say that I'm no fan of the move to Lifetime if, for no other reason, that it could interfere with its Frasier reruns.
Still though, I'm not so sure a move from Bravo may be all that bad. (Please be kind, I'm a bleeder.) Towards the end of PR3, and again so during PR4, a number of us voiced concerns about the show's production. The editing; intrusive product placement (a mainstay of any NBC-related reality show); inconsistent, if not down-right unfair, judging; contestants more concerned with promoting their existing lines than winning; this season, in particular, lacking the whimsy of, say, PR1; etc., to name a few.
Although I don't believe today's Lifetime and PR are a good fit, stranger things have happened in television land. Whether PR stays with Bravo or moves to wherever, changes need to be made, IMO. Frankly, had it not been for this blog & TLo's hard work, I would have given up on PR4 and I doubt that I'm the only one.
chgo_john
I've never watched the Lifetime channel, so out of curiosity (after reading all these posts), I clicked on my guide to see what they had to offer...
Next up 3pm PST: Crimes of Passion: She Woke Up Pregnant
OY!
Not sure what to think. But, as long as TLo are in, so will I be. In truth, they're the only reason I've stuck with the show.
No! I'll always love Project Runway no matter what channel it's on, but I also LOVE Bravo. It makes me so sad that it's switching. Especially if Michael Kors and Nina Garcia don't follow it over to Lifetime! I really hope Lifetime doesn't ruin the show!
Please tell me this is a belated April Fools joke? PR on that awful "Television For Women"/"Melodramatic Malady Movie of the week" channel? Blech...
It is, indeed, time for the TLo Show.
Anything we can do to help you get there, boys?
- Ignatz
I agree with much of what Linda Merrill wrote about Lifetime's apparent bid to rebrand itself as taking a page from Bravo’s book. But I would be more than happy to get the Bravo-of-the-90s back, when they actually showed arts programming. Where else would I have seen Kenneth Branagh, Natasha Richardson, Michael Gambon and Judi Dench in a made-for-TV version of Ibsen's "Ghosts?" I mean, seriously?????
And speaking of classic theatre repertoire, uncle vanya, you rock my world.
GothamTomato said...
"And, of course, Jethro is definitely a Bravo man; spending his afternoons out by the cement pond writing long fan letters to SissyBear.
ROTFLMAO
So Jethro is SissyBear's new Sugar Daddy?
Chill people - don't write PR's obituary until it actually ends up on another channel and really is 'spoiled' by the move.
chicksinger: "...I would be more than happy to get the Bravo-of-the-90s back, when they actually showed arts programming. Where else would I have seen Kenneth Branagh, Natasha Richardson, Michael Gambon and Judi Dench in a made-for-TV version of Ibsen's "Ghosts?" I mean, seriously?????
And speaking of classic theatre repertoire, uncle vanya, you rock my world."
Aww, thanks! The world is indeed sooooo Chekhovian these days...
And I remember the pre-NBC Bravo of the 90s as well. It was the place I could see the original stage version of "Sweeney Todd" before such things became readily available on DVD. James Lipton was their signature star long before Tim Gunn. It was a reputable, quality arts channel.
I don't mind that Bravo took up the pop-culture mantle left by Trio and Brilliant-but-Cancelled, I think that is a worthy, interesting high concept as well. But I never appreciated NBC using Bravo as yet another dumpster for L&O reruns. And I worry about the direction they will take without PR as their flagship.
I love Top Chef, but the other competition/reality shows are kind of disposable for me. I wish they would bring back "The It Factor", which followed around 12 struggling actors as a documentary, as opposed to making them perform Hamlet's soliloquy in a chicken suit before judges. Bravo should really worry that they don't slowly turn into VH1.
Maybe Lifetime is trying to do a makeover. But as has been seen today, they're going to have to work pretty darned hard to get rid of the "network for women-in-peril" brand that they have now.
I just went over to "mylifetime.com" and hey -
Crafts shows?
Your Mama Can (or is it Can't?) Dance?
Relationships (whatever that is)?
Astrology?
I'm sorry, no no no no no, shoehorning PR into that? Doesn't work for me. The site is saying "PR Struts over to Lifetime" - ick. Just ick.
The poster(s) who mentioned that Bravo may have been moribund when it got PR but at least purportedly was about the arts was (were) expressing my feelings about it. Lifetime purportedly is about somebody's idea of what women want to see, with arts/crafts, etc. that I mentioned above. That doesn't bode well for PR future.
That Bravo has been setting itself up as gay-friendly doesn't totally work for me in this kerfuffle. PR isn't supposed to be a show about gays, it's supposed to be a show about design. People politicizing it on this blog into being a show about "gays like Jay" or "gays like Christian" are I think also off the mark. It's a show about clothes, yes?
Summing up a too-long post (sorry!), maybe Lifetime can also be gay-friendly, it doesn't seem like it's very art/design friendly, is my concern.
Guess we'll have to wait and see what happens on this. I know that TLo will keep me informed!
I have to say that I am just not sure I could watch it on Lifetime. I consider Bravo a very artsy and intelligent network as a rule. They have some stupid programming but nothing like Lifetime and it's BS "television for women." I dunno. Methinks this is a disaster.
Also, Nina and Michael could leave and it wouldn't matter imo. They are very disposable.
Horrible news!! The show is doomed to failure!
Lifetime has the connotation of being for mom's who wear "mom jeans" and watch Oprah. Bravo has always been a little edgy with a huge gay following. I think this is a BAD move.
Huge downgrade for Project Runway! I haven nothing against Lifetime Television, but absolutely not the right demographic to partner w/ for fashion show.
what i think is interesting is that a few days ago, there was a story in the new york times about bravo and how they're cultivating young edgy women with shows like PR and only parenthetically mentioned that the show appeals to gay men. obviously, this was an attempt to pursuade project runway that bravo was as lifetime as lifetime. kind of weird. is there some issue with the gayness of Bravo? is that possible?
fuuuck lifetime!
Dear Lord. I can see it all now... the female designers will all have "hard luck" back stories which have to do with some sort of male oppression and will share them as they explain their fashion inspirations. One week the women of The View will be the Very Special Celebrity Judges.
(sound of head banging against the laptop)
WTF is everyone all up in arms about?
For goodness sake, it's not like we're being asked to watch oh, I don't know.... 20,000 of the same commercials of "Make Me a Stupid Supermodel" or "Real Douchebags of NY/OC/Iowa City" or "Ho's Looking for a Daddy Warbucks, by drabby Patty".
Personally I PREFER Lifetime over Bravo, mainly because there's no Andy Cohen! on Lifetime. Whoowhoo!
BTW, Lifetime MOVIE NETWORK shows the craptastick movies, not Lifetime itself. Lifetime usually shows tvshows from the 80s & 90s. (Sniff, no 70s shows unfortunately)
And if anyone has done anything to hurt the PR line, it's Bravo with it's endless attempts to duplicate PR. With the exception of 'Top Chef', nothing else has.
">>do all women really thrive on a steady diet of tearjerker dramathons featuring prime time has-beens?)<<
Trying to picture Laura Bennett
on Lifetime... nooooo, it burns!"
And yet Angela Kessler would fit right in. Therein lies the tragedy.
Jumping on late here, but if y'all want to see major DRAMA, hop on over to the Lifetimetv.com message boards in regards to the Golden Girls...apparently the collateral damage in this hip "repositioning" for the Lifetime channel is that they gave up the rerun rights for the Golden Girls....they are moving to the Hallmark Channel in 2009! People (women and more than a few self-professed straight men) are screaming that Lifetime is going to hell in a handbasket...you do not mess with Golden Girl fans, at all!
That being said, I agree with the posters who have mentioned that something needs to be done to shake up PR...the recent seasons, with their endless product placement have already demonstrated that the show has been a sellout....and for those who fear that that types like Sarah Jessica Parker and Posh Beckham won't deign to judge if the show ends up on Lifetime, well, if the fee is right, and the ratings are good enough, well, fill in the blanks...they have their own product lines/projects to shill, so don't worry about them.
And I agree with the poster who said that both of these women's contribution to the show was pretty "meh" anyway.
Bravo for Bravo! I love this channel. Lifetime, on the other hand, is one I skip over when channel surfing.
TWC is going for the money which invariably ruins everything. I hate when something is a succes and then gets ruined when those involved get too greedy.
Also, I think PR is in danger of oversaturating the market. Part of the fun is anticipating the next season. And let's face it, how many "next top American designers" can there be? The more they "discover," the more diluted the talent pool will be.
Man, is Lifetime getting some negative attention today or what. First this, and then I hear they're moving Golden Girls to the Hallmark channel...I think that was the only show I've ever stopped flipping for on Lifetime.
Project Runway needs to stay on Bravo.
What the heck IS Lifetime anyway? I never heard of it. I don't know if my cable provider carries it.
STAY WITH BRAVO!!!
GT: Oh Dear. I suppose it would have been more PC to say 'redneck' instead of 'hillbilly'.
It's the supercilious tone I find irritating, with both the original post and this later follow-up.
Usually, when referring to someone else's intolerance, it's a good thing to practice a little judicious tolerance oneself. 'Good example', and all that. You know: "you catch more flies with honey...".
Sorry...I'm still steaming--and yes, hurt--over this one (having been raised in some lovely rolling hill country). Maybe this is just wry humor that I'm misreading.
I've written at least three different posts about it, and have been afraid to publish each time for fear of an onslaught of verbal retaliation and jousting.
But what the hell....
- Ignatz
Maybe there shouldn't have been so many comments here about how much this past season was stale or boring and the show needed a change.
Some of you are acting as if Bravo doesn't have its share of shit. The REal housewives crap?? Puhlease. Bravo isn't winning any prizes from me in the credible, quality programming arena.
My 2 cents for what they're worth:
1) I'd rather watch upteen reruns than the same damn commercials over ad nausteaum for "Make Me A Stupid Model", "Dance Show #410", "Skanks of NY/LA/Iowa City" or the likes of "Hos Looking for a Sugar Daddy by drabby Patti".
2) No Andy Cohen on Lifetime! Happy Dance!
BTW, Lifetime MOVIE Channel (LMN) shows the craptastick movies, not Lifetime Television for Women. It's kinda like what MSNBC is to NBC.
And it could be worse.... they could've moved it to CBS where a gay can't even get a kiss!
LMC does show more movies, but Lifetime proper still shows plenty of their movies as well. Today's schedule:
2PM Desolation Sound
9PM The Secret of Hidden Lake
Everything else on today's slate consists of Frasier, Reba, Still Standing, Will & Grace, and yes, Golden Girls reruns.
If they're trying to make themselves over, they really have their work cut out for them.
another laura said...
"Lifetime - branded firmly as the female-in-peril network - what does PR have to do with that, for heaven's sake?"
*nod nod* I've always called it the Domestic Abuse Channel. A very odd pairing indeed.
Donna L. said
"A lot of the complaints seem faintly misogynistic to me. Oh my God! I can't watch a woman's channel! There might be tampon ads; ewwww, how icky! Please, grow up already."
Hmmm, from where I sit it's calling Lifetime "a woman's channel" that's faintly misogynistic.
*shrug*
GothamTomato said...
Oh Dear. I suppose it would have been more PC to say 'redneck' instead of 'hillbilly'.
Actually, better to hold your tongue. :)
As you know, in Commentary, one minute you're witty and urbane; the next minute you're making meanspirited generalizations. ;)
gotham tomato said...
Oh Dear. I suppose it would have been more PC to say 'redneck' instead of 'hillbilly'.
Several posters have nicely & eloquently stated why exactly they were offended (beautiful post btw zombiehouse) and you're only retort is to be a smart ass?? Real classy!
Eh, what's the big deal? Project Runway is the ONLY show I watch on BRAVO. Everything else on that network is utter crap. It's a cess pool of cheap reality TV shows. In fact, everything is a pitiful imitation of the Project Runway formula. They've tried to replicate the PR success with food, hair, design, etc., and failed miserably. Project Runway was their flag ship program. It was carrying BRAVO.
As long as Tim Gunn and Heidi are staying with the show, I'm good. Who cares which channel is picking it up? It's just a number on my remote. I, personally, do not feel any "loyalty" to any of these network hacks. I watch whatever interests me.
It's BRAVO's loss and Lifetime's gain.
1) I'd rather watch upteen reruns than the same damn commercials over ad nausteaum for "Make Me A Stupid Model", "Dance Show #410", "Skanks of NY/LA/Iowa City" or the likes of "Hos Looking for a Sugar Daddy by drabby Patti".
2) No Andy Cohen on Lifetime! Happy Dance!
Hear, hear! Word to that. I'm disgusted by the mind-numbingly STUPID programming on BLAHVO. 95% of the shows are idiotic reality TV knock-offs.
Don't get me started on Andy Cohen & ilk... BLECH! Bunch of worthless retards.
I just hope Lifetime will produce a decent PR website.
I consider Bravo a very artsy and intelligent network as a rule.
Is this a joke? You're kidding, right?
Real Housewives of Orange County
Real Housewives of NYC
Hey Paula
Being Bobby Brown
Showbiz Mom & Dads
Make Me a Supermodel
Millionaire Matchmaker
Show Dog Moms & Dads
Sports Kids Moms & Dads
Battle of the Network Reality Stars
ETC...
Take a good look at their programming.
BLAHVO's programs are PATHETIC.
There is NOTHING remotely "artsy" or "intelligent" about BLAHVO.
The only decent show is Project Runway. Queer Eye was okay but it's past its prime.
PR on Lifetime - not a good fit. Not to be rude, but compared to Bravo, Lifetime is dull and stodgy. Perhaps they're hoping to change that by nabbing PR. My worry is that Lifetime's image will rub off on PR, rather than vice-versa.
it sucks
Lifetime sucks. Lots of retreads of tired old TV series, women as victime movies...definitely a second or third tier cable channel.
I would be sorry if MK and Nina aren't part of the package....does Heidi understand that Nina and MK are among the reasons that the show gets name fashion designers to appear as guest judges?
Poor Gotham Tomato.
So misunderstood. Hillbilly is not equal to nigger. Fag is equal to nigger. Just ask anyone who owns a confederate flag and they'll tell you. (Or ask anyone who has ever been discriminated against.) I've never read about anyone getting dragged behind a truck because they are a Hillbilly. Do hate crimes really exist against Hillbillies or rednecks? I wonder...
I am still reeling from the cognitive dissonance. Project Runway and freaking Lifetime? Not a match made in Heaven.
...why?
At least the Lifetime website is clear and easily navigable -- unlike Bravotv.com.
How stupid to possibly loose Nina and Michael as judges, and move it to LA.
Why not move it to Topeka, Kansas, and have K-Mart and Sears executives do the judging?
morons....
The one thing I've been really disappointed about with Lifetime is that when the new garments are modeled, I can no longer see them from the back. Has anyone else noticed this? When the model is walking toward the camera, everything is fine; and yet when the model turns back toward the stage, Lifetime cuts to the judges and the designers until the model is ready to exit the stage.
It's just ridiculous. These people spend an entire show building to showing the designs, and then you can't even see them from the back.
Personally, I think it's just stupid. Like a model's butt is such a big deal.
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