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Kittens, let's pretend for a moment that there's any real possibility that Rami might not make it to the final 3. It's hard, we know, but just play along. Pretend he's not the judges' little wankfantasy golden boy.
If that were the case, then he should be bowing down to Sweet P and begging her forgiveness for saving his superbly shaped ass after he treated her so badly.
Because this:
Was heinous.
And this:
Was gorgeous.
Still hate those shoes, though.
Look, Sweet P has not exactly been wowing the judges and she's been treating every challenge like it's the most difficult thing she ever faced. From that perspective, we can see why Rami wasn't exactly thrilled to be paired with her. We can even see why he felt she needed to be "managed." But there's managing and then there's being a prick.
Sure, she gets flustered easily and she doesn't manage her time well, but the absolute worst way to handle someone like that is to badger and berate them to death. Give them clear goals and timelines and then step back and let them do their work. Don't get them even more upset and flustered by nitpicking them to death.
If there were slightly different judging criteria, in a weird way, Sweet P could have been the winner. We know that sounds crazy, but hear us out.
The avant garde look was pure Rami. There was nothing of Sweet P in this design and frankly, there should have been because her work tends to have more of an edge to it. His work is way too classically oriented to even approach the idea of "avant garde."
On the other hand...
Her ready-to-wear piece was not only beautiful, it also represented a melding of their two styles. She produced, under very stressful circumstances, a beautiful garment that blended two very different aesthetics.
He bulldozed any opposition out of the way and produced something that wasn't avant garde, wasn't beautiful and wasn't anything but his own selfish take on things. When Tim critiqued it in the workroom, Rami's only defense was "You've never seen me do corsets before."
We ask you, who was the better designer here?
Yes, Rami. You can drape. Even moist Nina has had enough of that. There's just a ton of crap here that serves no purpose. It's not pretty and it's not interesting. It's "throw everything at the dress form and see if it sticks." We get where he was coming from - it does sort of look like the model's hair - but it just didn't come off.
And the pants, dear GOD, THE PANTS. Make it STOP. Granted, it looks like Sweet P was a hundred percent behind the pants idea (not to mention she did a terrible job on them), so we have to be fair and criticize them both for this straight-outta-2003 choice.
And Alberta Ferretti was right. There's just not enough volume in that skirt to balance out their other choices.
Oh, it hurts.
This, on the other hand, was just perfect. We would be very surprised if Sweet P made it to the end, but it's to her credit that her work keeps getting better and better.
There's not a thing we can criticize about this dress. The color, the fabric, the execution, the proportions - all just perfect. Love it.
Let's face it, Rami's got "Bryant Park" written all over him and Sweet P's got the stench of an impending auf'ing on the wind. We would be very surprised if she made it to the end, not because she's not a good designer but because she doesn't seem to be at her best in this kind of competition. Still, it would have seriously pissed us off if they sent her home just to spare Mr. Perfect. Don't get us wrong. We like Rami and we'd like to see him strut his stuff at Bryant Park, but he did not come off well this week at all.
[Photos: Barbara Nitke/Bravotv.com - Screencaps: Project RunGay]
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«Oldest ‹Older 1 – 200 of 216 Newer› Newest»You know, Rami isn't wearing well as the season progresses. He seems so, well, entitled. Yeah, his work is lovely much of the time, but he looks more and more like a one trick pony.
Sweet P's dress was great, but the pants? Eh, not so much...
That was a sweet RTW dress. Actually, the only time I've liked Sweet P's work has been for team challenges---the Bitten pieces, the divine baggy sweater dress, and now this one. The rest of her stuff has been baby doll dress after baby doll dress.
I thought Sweet P's dress was adorable, but didn't see how it was a RTW interpretation of Rami's look. . . but now that I see them next to each other, I can see it. Great job, Sweet P!
I wasn't sure if you would call them Team Ram-Pea.
I really, really, really enjoyed seeing Rami in mild panic mode (eg, his interview segments: he totally crosses the line from precise to brittle). I think Kit made some reference to his behavior being influenced by lack of sleep. If so, I say bring on the all-nighters and let the flop sweat ensue!
And, oh, yeah. The pants. I've never really been persuaded by the pants-under-a-dress thing anyway, but if you must do it, shouldn't the pants be super slim (ugh--pleats at the waist?!?), and in a fabric and color that actually work with the overdress?
You can add that goldtone medallion on her shoulder to the pile of ticky-tack plastic adornments that have disgraced the runway this season. Can a Michael's challenge be far behind?
"Ram-Pea"! lol
I'm glad you emphasized SP's RTW look. I thought it was one of the most beautiful designs on the runway last week. I think she's adorable and put up w/ Rami's ramming with class and kept right on plugging away, producing that sweet dress. I'm curious to see what she comes up with this week. His avant garde was just a whole lotta Stevie Nicks circa 1987. Add some boots and a few scarves and there you have it. But avant garde? Not so much.
To me, and I know this is unpopular, there is nothing about Rami that is redeeming at all. He makes variations of togas and is a prick. And not one stitch of drama to go along. A boring one note.
On the other hand, Sweet P's dress was darling and sexy at the same time. Totally adorable.
I agree with TLo that he's headed to Bryant Park and that Sweet P isn't. Really unfortunate, too.
I'm actually really beginning to question whether Rami makes it to the end.
The judges know his shtick by now and so does the audience, and from what we've seen of next week's previews he's still plugging away at his idea of classic.
At the beginning of the season I called PR4 a wash because I really thought that Rami was just going to be handed the win (ala the scripted win of Wayne in PC2) but now that the judges have finally gotten a clue of his rhetoric, I'm thinking he might be a surprise auf near the end. You have Jillian and Christian and Chris all still there- and frankly, I think they are the final 3.
There was an interview posted on BPR site with Lea which says she will be in the finale. Of course it mentiones how she's played musical designers during the run of the show. It would be wild if Sweet P hung onto her and made it to Bryant Park.
Actually that is believable if she builds on the momentum she's been generating.
Personally the main problem was Rami not trying to incorporating any of her ideas. I don't think the issue is just of him doing another draped outfit. But strecthing his draping skills to produce something wild and with flare. I believe Nina touched upon this in her blog when referencing his Hershey dress. I think Sweet P's idea of a bustle would have added the drama judges would have liked to have seen
The 2 weaker teams sufferred I think from the same problem. 1 person dominating too much and not trying to exploit the other into a real collaboration.
I wonder if Rami was stressed after the beating he took during the Prom challenge. Then again Jillian was quoted that Rami can be "the boss from hell" even though she's good pals with him. Ironic that in trying to be different he got blasted for being too repetitive
Frank
You know, I was all about Rami from day 1 in terms of talent and vision....I am willing to bet the farm he is in the final three. But how he conducted himself last week was almost comical. He was like an 8 year old banking the excuses and blame. Before they even started he was doomsday because of Sweet P's "work habits". He had a whole nation of excuses lined up why his stuff looked like shit and none of them had anything to do with him.
Whatevah.....Sweet P served is ass in a big way.....
Oh I agree with TLO!
Sweet P has not been my favorite designer (I think she's totally out of her element, possibly league), but she gets major points for maintaining a good attitude in the face of some of the crap she's had to take from other contestants.
I think that Rami made a mistake in shutting out SweetP...she might have helped lift his mess into *hmmm, interesting* territory if he had bothered to listen to her a little.
You know, I wonder what would have happened if they had put the sort of bustle (or something) on the back that Sweet P was talking about.
And I did love her RTW dress.
Forgot to mention that in fairness to Rami, he might not be aware that he is being repetitive until now. The man does have excellent techncial skills even though I don't care for his style.
Note after the first challenge that he won, he was always in the safe group for several episodes. He was neither in the top or the bottom until 5 episodes later with the hershey's challenge. It goes back to what Kit said in her interview that even if you're in the bottom you get direct feedback from the judges and can build on that. If you're always in the middle, you don't.
Frank
Rami creeps me out. He's the kind of guy who's such a control freak that he can't even tell that he's the one creating the stress in the situation. I suspect he may be misogynist, too; that he likes women to be quiet, pretty and fauning over him, not equals. He berated Jillian, too, about Kevin.
Can you imagine having to work for this guy in any capacity?
Frank said...
"It goes back to what Kit said in her interview that even if you're in the bottom you get direct feedback from the judges and can build on that. If you're always in the middle, you don't."
This is an excellent point and I think it is the reason why Ricky is having a meltdown in the next episode.
I wanted to strip that dress off the RTW model and wear it myself. It was gorgeous. ^^
But, don't kill me for this, I like the dress + pants look, mostly... but I HATED it this time. Just HATED it. Seriously, that avant-garde look was a trainwreck.
I'm still hoping Rami doesn't make it to Bryant Park. I don't think his collection's going to be interesting enough. It's just going to be an explosion of drapery, just wait and see.
On Rami's work ethic: I must say (and I have worked with plenty of assholes), I didn't think Rami was all that bad. Considering what is at stake for him. He is a total perfectionist, control freak, but at least he really knows what he is doing. Believe me when I say some with that attitude don't.
On Rami's design: It is perfectly executed, but what a disapointment. His model had the perfect hair to do a fantastic mermaid gown with irridecent greens and blues and pearls and shells and all kinds of opportunities to drape and twist and gather and ruche! Oh well.
Is Rami a nick name? Like rami pin up your ___ with a ledge hammer?
I always think I love this blog for the snarkiness, and then there's a post like this that just nails it so perfectly and puts everything into words that I couldn't quite verbalize, and I realize that that's why I love this blog.
I hated the pants too, God knows. But I almost don't want to say anything about them, as if saying something about them woudl make Rami go, "Well, I tried to manage her, but she just could NOT execute!" I just wanted to reach through my TV and slap the living shit right out of him.
And not in a good way.
I bet he thinks the look failed because of the pants, how much do you want to bet?
And please - you haven't seen ME do corsets - dude, corsets have been done and done and done and done - you're going to have to do a little better than that to make it to "avant garde."
They didn't mean "avant garde for you!"
Ass.
Anne
Granted, Rami is cute, but cute don't feed the bulldog. Damn, that's an ugly dress. Ugly color. Ugly details. And the pants. Yeesh. And I don't think it matched the model's hair, either. That much hair with that much color and texture...there's no excuse for a bland, neutral-colored drapery of a dress.
Gorgeous things said:
You know, Rami isn't wearing well as the season progresses. He seems so, well, entitled. Yeah, his work is lovely much of the time, but he looks more and more like a one trick pony.
Entitled is a good word to describe Rami. Could this man's ego possibly be any larger than it already is? He seems impervious to any criticism, or open to other design concepts.
This design looked much more Pre-Raphaelite than avant-garde...maybe what Ophelia would have been wearing (sans the ass pants) for her big death scene...
Loved Sweet P's dress, on the other hand. It was absolutely charming, and definitely RTW. Must have galled Rami to hear her design so praised.
My reaction to the pants-under-dress thing was that it looked like the model was in a dressing room and didn't want to take off all her street clothes to try on the dress...
Also, what is it with Rami and the titscrepancies? The right breast looks like it's falling under the boning; NOT attractive or well-fitted.
sewing siren, is that a picture of what you would have done for this challenge? Because even though it's little I can tell it's fabulous!
I really hope you make it next cycle.
Anne
Crow Winters, I so hope you're right that Rami doesn't make it to the final 3. The way he behaves on screen is almost like he thinks (knows?) that he will be handed the win. Grrrr.... I would love to see him take a hit to his ego. Besides, I am so over his draping-over-one-boob look.
And I think Jillian is kind of like the Kara Saun of Season 4. I'd like to see what she does at Bryant Park, but I don't want her to win.
~ muellersdayoff
I am now completely over Rami. I use to like him, but after this week's episode I can't stand him. I am starting to believe he must not be gay. Gay men treat women better than that. His inability to even consider Sweet P's ideas was very upsetting to me. What a prick indeed!
Rami's dress did look like something a certain type of woman (tacky) would pick up on 14th Street, and wear to a singles weekend at Mt. Airy Lodge.
And, I know that people have been complaining about Rami acting pissy to poor SweetP (and, yes, he did seem quite jerky). But here's the thing: If it was your ass on the line, in a competition for Bryant Park & $100K, would you trust your fate to SweetP, given the hobby-sewer crap she has produced all season? I wouldn't.
And SweetP's whining about Rami not trusting her was annoying. She is playing that golly-gee-whiz personality - which, yes, was cute when the teenage Judy Garland & Mickey Rooney did it in the movies - but when you're pushing 50, it's a tad pathetic.
It has seemed to me, all season, that these designers are more conscious of the cameras than in the past. And Kevin sort-of revealed that, in one of his press interviews, when he said he had an idea of how he wanted to come off on the show & was happy with the result. I guess the whole product placement theme that Bravo has going is not lost on the designers. So it would figure that Rami, who already has an established business, keeps doing Rami dresses. He has a consistant vision thread that he's trying to weave through all the challenges. Even if he doesn't get to the final 3, the show would have been one big product placement for him, and any other designer smart enough to play it right, (and have the ability to back it up).
As for the RTW dress SweetP put together: Yes, it's good that she finally put out something nice. The dress was cute, and the style of it hides the fact that she cannot fit a body. When I saw it, I immediately thought of that green dress in the Devil Wears Prada (but, it's a common silhouette). But then I went to SweetP's website and looked at her April 2007 collection: If you look, you'll see that RTW dress there. That was about 2 months before the taping. So she finally lucked out and had a challenge where she could use something that she'd already made.
I'm still hoping the final 4 are: Jillian, Christian, Chris & Rami.
--GothamTomato
rami is nice to look at but he was very tiresome last week. I think Sweet Pea is sometimes a victim of her own bad press. She spends so much time flailing around that people can't help thinking she is incapable. As other posters have pointed out she has made some cute stuff (including the RTW this episode). However, there is no excuse for a) the diva on steriods shit Rami pulled on her b) the pants (whose IDEA where they must've been Rami's - I don't think he would have let her take such a decision) c) the COLOR of the pants with that dress (and yes the execution was bad)d)the once again festival of drapery he sent down the runway under the guise of avant garde fashion complete with whickery whack and e) the traditional- for Rami - high degree of titscrepancy.
Anne said...
sewing siren, is that a picture of what you would have done for this challenge? Because even though it's little I can tell it's fabulous!
I really hope you make it next cycle.
Anne
Yes, that is the direction *I* would have taken it. I did that little doodle while the show was in progress. His model had the absolute best hair.
how 'bout Team Sweet Pea-mi
Granted, a lot of our perceptions of the designers' personalities lies in the editing, but Sweet P definitely lived up to her name in this episode. After about the 3rd time Rami came over to harangue her, I could feel myself ready to explode. He seriously needed to step the f*** off and leave her the f*** alone, cause that s*** was inexcusable. There would have been major drama, not at all manufactured for the cameras, if I'd been in her place. I'm glad she got her frustration out of her system and pulled through like a pro.
I got a Bride of Dracula feel from Rami's dress. Some of it was the model's styling/hair. I kept waiting for her to fly off the runway and bite Nina or Michael on the neck.
And with the bit of corset sticking out and those navy slack underneath, I thought the model might rip off the gown, grab her crotch and start singing "Express Yourself."
I actually am starting to feel like Rami isn't necessarily destined for Bryant Park, although it still seems pretty likely. He doesn't have that sheen of invulnerability anymore after the last couple challenges. He absolutely cannot drape one more garment, even if it's amazing - the judges will eat him alive.
As for Sweet P, it's too bad we'll be losing her soon. She's really shown that she can put out a great design when she tries. But she never really had a shot to begin with.
I love that sewing siren sketches along with the show! I never thought to do that (and have no original design skills), but might have to start.
Even though we haven't really gotten to know the models this year, and we've questioned their experience levels and walks, they do seem like a really nice bunch--helping with sewing and now comforting designers.
You guys are so right! I thought Sweet P kinda saved Rami's ass this week. Not that he was going to be auf'd -- but made the pair bearable to look at. I was ready for Sweet P to go - but this challenge and the prom challenge last week -- she's really getting better!
Thanks for the post fellas!
speaking of the models, (and I am in agreement with redspring) what was up with giving some of them uber elaborate dos and then doing nothing with others? Sweet Pea's original model was never going to be picked with what they did(n't) do to her hair. Bizarre.
You girls nailed it. I cannot add a single thing to that utterly perfect critique. (I threw up a little in my mouth when they made the model lift her dress to show the pants underneath. hurl.)
Gorgeous Things said it best - Rami thinks he is ENTITLED. I wouldn't mind seeing him sent home - just so he can learn that he IS a mere mortal.
Sewing Siren said...
Anne said...
sewing siren, is that a picture of what you would have done for this challenge? Because even though it's little I can tell it's fabulous!
I really hope you make it next cycle.
Anne
Yes, that is the direction *I* would have taken it. I did that little doodle while the show was in progress. His model had the absolute best hair.
It's absolutely gorgeous! I love red hair and immediately thought of a mermaid look too. What a wasted opportunity.
I sure hope Rami ate every single bite of the huge slice of humble pie the judges served him in this episode!
I like him, but his way of handling SweetPea could have been better.
I have nothing original to say but I'll say it anyway!
To me, while Rami's dress didn't turn out ugly and certainly not as fugalicious as Kit's, he just didn't even try do the challenge! Lucky him that Kit's didn't work.
Glad they got to use Lea, the top model this season, for the RTW look. I didn't think it was gorgeous but that's because I am really not in love with the taupe/gray thing. It did reflect the AV look so kudos to Sweet P.
I still think she's a goner and he makes it to Fashion week. Maybe he will have a big change like when Uli sent some fab stuff down the finale runway after having done tropical prints TO DEATH all season 3.
I have nothing original to say but I'll say it anyway!
To me, while Rami's dress didn't turn out ugly and certainly not as fugalicious as Kit's, he just didn't even try do the challenge! Lucky him that Kit's didn't work.
Glad they got to use Lea, the top model this season, for the RTW look. I didn't think it was gorgeous but that's because I am really not in love with the taupe/gray thing. It did reflect the AV look so kudos to Sweet P.
I still think she's a goner and he makes it to Fashion week. Maybe he will have a big change like when Uli sent some fab stuff down the finale runway after having done tropical prints TO DEATH all season 3.
TLo wrote:
"Yes, Rami. You can drape. Even moist Nina has had enough of that."
"moist" ??? I don't get it. What does that mean? "Moist" as in sappy, wishy-washy, sexually aroused, or sweaty?! Someone, please enlighten me!
oh god I did a repeater. Sorry, folks
Team Sweet Rami illustrates why I watch Project Runway for the entertainment/drama potential rather than as a fashion design show. If you were really looking to find the next great designer, you wouldn't have someone like Rami, who's already established, be able to succeed by doing the same thing that he's been doing for years. And you wouldn't put someone like Sweet P in a position where she can't possibly succeed.
I don't know much about her background, but Sweet P clearly doesn't have the guns to win PR. She might have the creative vision, but she's probably never been in the right environment to nurture it. If you took people like Sweet P and paired them with, say, successful designers to see how much they could learn, then you'd have a very different process and outcome. I hope that once she's out, she has a chance to get into that sort of position and learn a lot. The only thing she's going to learn on PR is how to deal with time pressure and unrealistic challenges.
There are contestants in this season with stronger backgrounds than Sweet P's but who are not nearly as established as Rami. I hope that one of them wins. It will be especially galling if Rami wins the entire season with a collection of work that looks like he could have designed it before he went through all the preliminary challenges.
Also, Rami really is a self-absorbed prick. Only a true narcissist could have thought that dress was avant garde. He thinks the measuring stick for avant garde is his own body of work rather than everyone's body of work.
agreed. in fact, i'd say the RTW dress was the best thing sweet p has made all season. it's modern, yet classic. the colors are totally on point. she incorporated rami's draping effect. and it's undoubtedly the best of all the RTW garments. (those pants, however... oy!)
rami, on the other hand, let his ego get the best of him this week. he was so far up his own ass that he honestly believed the judges would be wowed by *rami's* corset. how narcissistic can you get? it's not even a nice corset! that thing's a freakin' mess & a half. i'm a little shocked at how far off his game he was with this one. he missed the point entirely.
i hope the criticism he received humbles him a bit. till this challenge i was looking forward to a bryant park show from him. but if he keeps up the ego trippin', i'll be routing for his auf.
So Rami's definition of "avant garde" is "something I haven't shown you before." Telling.
So he's feeling stressed, and his reaction is to try to control every little thing. Yeah, that's going to reduce those stress levels.... And I don't care how flighty someone is, you don't treat an adult like a toddler; you treat them like an annoying adult.
The "soft" part of the dress needed a whole lot more volume and movement. Maybe not just a bustle but a double-decker bustle to create a couple of layers. As for the pants, their whole purpose was to look completely wrong for the top, so that worked. Unfortunately, there's more to avant-garde design than playing opposites day.
Interesting that the RTW dress was so much more polished-looking than many of Sweet P's early efforts, when they were so rushed for time.
This challenge might have boded better for Rami if he had been listened to Sweet P. His ego got the best of himself, and he went on his merry way. That little man's ego is out of control. I hope this isn't the last time one of the judges or another designer takes him down a rung or two.
GothamTomato said...
Rami's dress did look like something a certain type of woman (tacky) would pick up on 14th Street, and wear to a singles weekend at Mt. Airy Lodge.
OMG! You kill me GothamTomato! I moved out of Manhattan a dozen years ago and I instantly thought of the Beeeeeeaaauuuutiful Mount Airey Lodge commercial! Is that old chestnut STILL playing?
So my little tidbits -
The pants under Rami's mess looked like men's Dockers.
Does Rami = Uli or Laura singing the same note over and over until he bores Nina?
Is Rami tired from making a bad 3:00 AM decision?
Sweet P's RTW look was the best of the bunch IMHO.
I have a sad feeling our 'lil P is departing soon because as others have pointed out, she seems out of her league.
After a very careful watching of the judging preview (follow Nina's eyes when she asks someone if they were uninspired), there seems to be a strong chance that YaYa get's auf'd (fingers crossed.)
I still wish Mean P would have come out and gone off on Rami. I guess Rami is actually the one with the split personality.
And the pants, dear GOD, THE PANTS. Make it STOP.
Sewing Siren said, "His model had the perfect hair to do a fantastic mermaid gown with irridecent greens and blues and pearls and shells and all kinds of opportunities to drape and twist and gather and ruche"
The female counterpart to this guy?
Good hat, too!
SP's RTW was the most attractive and well made of the RTW's out there AND it was on-concept. How did she make a happy dress with such depressing colors? Kudos to Sweet P!
- Donna
I did get where Rami was going with the look, but it just didn't translate into Avante Garde for me. I also wasn't as thrilled with P's dress as much as everyone else, but it was some of her best work. Someone has mentioned it already but I'll restate that she seems to do better in ream challenges anyway, where she can be directed by someone with better skills. Her idea of a bustle, I'm afraid, wouldn't have been enough for me. I think the whole skirt needed a lot more fullness.
And to comment on the prevailing Rami-one-note...Nobody from last season was a shoo-in. All of the finalists (except for maybe Michael) received the Nina Bomb of being labled one-note. Laura for her silhouettes, Uli for the resort gowns and Jeffrey for the 80's/punk retread. Rami needs to do something unexpected if he hopes to fulfill his destiny.
Oh, and I loved Sewing Siren's look!!! I may just have to get out the crayola's for the next round. How inspiring!
i've read/heared, that the last three 'standing' and showing their clothes in Bryant Park are Chris, Christian and Jillian. And let me tell - i would love to see those three work it.
let's wait and see:)
" ... given the hobby-sewer crap she has produced all season."
Nope. Simply incorrect. This is not the first time she has come close. This is not the first time she has won raves. This is not the first time she almost won.
Crap? Your critique has no merit, na basis in fact.
Period.
I thought for sure someone would label this team "Rami Dearest." Thank you for pointing out he took the absolute worst approach to effectively manage someone like Sweet P. And he really is turning out to be a one-note. Unlike some of the other designers who've been given that label, his draping is both quite distinctive so you tire of it quickly and is a very mature look. I'm not sure he makes it to the final 3. Those judges are scared to death of anything that doesn't look "young."
Sweet P's dress was cute, I'd have had it be a little less gathered in the back, but otherwise a very good job. She seems sweet though she does need to suck it up a bit emotionally. She's 46, the oldest person there, but sometimes acts the youngest and not in a good way.
The bodice on Rami's AG look reminded me of Kanebow's couture dress, with that *just too much happening* business goin' on there. Ooooo: embellished draping.
Entitled is a wonderful word to describe the prat.
Oh Rami, you had a bad day. He reminds me of Yul in the movie The King and I ( with a better body ), it's the tone of his voice, the way he speaks , he's never wrong, he thinks he is the King, etc,etc,etc...
I would have preferred 'Team Bitter/Sweet'
debrakay said:
"Oh Rami, you had a bad day. He reminds me of Yul in the movie The King and I ( with a better body )"
Ha, funny, Rami reminds me of the title character from those cheesy "The Mummy" movies from the '90s (the ones with Brendan Fraser).
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"I would have preferred 'Team Bitter/Sweet'"
3:11 PM
LOL-Good one!
Actually Yul Bryner had an incredibly ripped body back then for a hollywood actor. I think you could argue Rami's is not quite as good.
But yes he's a little closer to Imhotep from the Mummy :)
Frank
If the finals did consist of Chris, Christian and Jillian you could actually have some good drama for the finale.
Think about how many more times Jillian will get shot! That could be the inspiration for her collection
Frank
The team names that all of you are coming up with are killing me. (The best I could come up with for this pair was "Team Swami.")
But that was before I read rain brain's "Rami Dearest" -- hilarious! Imagine. . . .
* Sweet P, no more wire hangers. EVER!
* Tear down that b_tch of a drape and put a boob where it OUGHT to BE!
* Why must EVERYTHING be a CONTEST?
Now THAT would be some reality TV.
Anon 2:44 is quite correct. Sweet P shone in the Weight-Loss challenge, in the "Donna-Karan" number, and particularly in the Prom Challenge. Given the facts, how could any sensible person possibly say she has produced nothing but crap?
You ever heard the saying ... Get a reputation for rising early and you can sleep 'til noon? That's the case here.
Somehow Sweet P has this completely unfair reputation for producing "Crap" (probably earned after her crap-tacular Tiki Barber fiasco) and it simply won't leave her, despite every evidence to the contrary. (The very vocal minority Sweet P bashing has allowed this fallacy to propogate, no doubt.)
Thank you, gentlemen, thank you for seeing through that baloney and giving praise here where it is most definitely deserved. In a season where the judging has earned so much criticism for being completely unfathamable and "crazy," I think the same can be said of certain opinions expressed by the viewers. They make no sense.
Just cuz a person says something, over and over and over and over again, doesn't make it true. (It just makes it annoying.)
P.S. - Yul Brenner in The King and I has a FABulous body! Woof.
I suppose he might have a very different interpretation of "team leader"... maybe the Hebrew translation of "team leader" means "team dictator".
In all fairness, he just takes team challenges too seriously. I would, too: someone else just cost you the chance of $100,000 and major publicity?
It seriously affected his work, though, 'cuz that dress was ass, with or without pants.
If not for a few other gorgeous creations in the last episodes, I'd say Sweet P's dress was the best thing to hit the entire season.
Rami is just over to me. A part of me WANTS him gone, and another part of me THINKS he SHOULD be gone. However, there is not a doubt in my mind that he will NOT make it to Bryant park. Something tells me Rami's time is limited...
I agree with lima bean. I just do not see what any of the fuss over Rami is about.
FYI, Arnold Vosloo played Imhotep. Very hot.
Maybe Rami heard Eva Gardner when they said avant garde. I'm not certain, but I believe Rami and Sweet P already were acquainted in LA before they were chosen for Project Runway. You might have noticed they acted like pals before this episode, and Jeffrey Sebelia has said she is one of his best friends. Santino, another LA boy, also had encouraging words for both Rami and Sweet P. Call them the LA Runway mafia. Sadly, friends can often get away with some pretty nasty shit, stuff one wouldn't take from a relative stranger. From the preview for the next episode, it appears they are back to being pals.
It also appears from the preview video that Rami is back in favor with the judges. Of course, that still doesn't make him one of the finalists.
Thanks,
Dale.
I know that the CW is that Rami is going to show at Bryant Park, but if this is the type of crap he's going to show:
http://projectrungay.blogspot.com/2007/11/bring-it-bitches.html
it's going to be a pretty miserable collection.
lynette said: "Moist" as in sappy, wishy-washy, sexually aroused, or sweaty?! Someone, please enlighten me!
All of the above. I think you auto-enlightened yourself on this one, lynette. Big thumbs u...never mind.
OMG...Rami Dearest is AWESOME!
Rami darling, you're a prick. You should have worried more about your one-trick pony than Orphan Annie...I understand he had a lot on the line...so does everyone else. Why act like such a douchebag?
Here's to Fembot, Sissybear and Princess Puffysleeves in the final.
I know CW is on Rami making it to Bryant Park, but if his 3 piece collection for the PR preview is any indication, he's not winning the season:
http://projectrungay.blogspot.com/2007/11/bring-it-bitches.html
And it was such fun to watch Sweet P save Rami's taut little behind. The way he was acting, I kept expecting him to quote Ed Wood.
"Sweet P did not deserve to smell my shit !"
Sweet P's dress was perfect and let's face it, the girl really is sweet!
sewing siren: His model had the perfect hair to do a fantastic mermaid gown with irridecent greens and blues and pearls and shells and all kinds of opportunities to drape and twist and gather and ruche!
You are so right! But then, knowing the judges, they probably would have accused the team of recreating Disney's "The Little Mermaid!" But to me, those colors would have been FABULOUS on that model! The colors Rami and Sweet P chose, to me, washed her out.
The RTW garment was very pretty though and Sweet P did a great job on it!
I particularly liked the sheer hem on Sweet Pea's RTW. Uli did the same thing with similar colors in her final collection.
Some are raising a very good point about Sweet P's performance.
Maybe it's because she's always looking/sounding terrified and surprised and frazzled (editing? not entirely) some ignore that she has put some good stuff down the runway. Her project with Elisa for Bitten was beautiful, I thought, and her Trends episode baggy sweater thing was really one of the cutest of the whole episode. Prom dress was really nice.
However, the menswear nightmare and the Hershey's episode are hard to forget.
If I was Team Leader (which is always the one that get's the "auf") and I was paired up with one of the designers that is often in the bottom, I would have gotten very very nervous and concerned. Sweet P is a doll and Ricky is trying hard, but I would have steered the boat too, rather than let it sink.
Sweet P gave the leader role to Rami because she didn't want it or have "direction for the avante garde challenge".
Rami is fantastic.
rain brain said...
I thought for sure someone would label this team "Rami Dearest."
Perfect! Hahahaha.
lol!
OMG some of these comments seem so contrived and (don't hate) simple. I did not think Rami was that mean at all. Not handled the best, but
people - they are under a huge amount of pressure! I'm also starting to see them all wear down a bit - frustrated, whinning, exhausted, crying, short with eachother, etc. I also think all that stress may added to Jack's infection.
I agree, if your Team Leader - you better pull it together fast! Chris didn't, and they auf'ed him for it.
He thinks the measuring stick for avant garde is his own body of work rather than everyone's body of work.
LOL, so true!
When Tim came to the workroom and started talking about the dress being "too Rami", why on earth did Rami then make Sweet P talk about their "work process"? It's not like she had anything to do with the dress being "too Rami"!
I forget where I saw it, but Rami has a huge stone mausoleum in Beverly Hills with his name carven upon it. Could anyone BE more established?
He does get to show at Bryant Park, though. The dish is that it's Rami, Chris, Christian, and Jillian. The question is who's the spoiler, or if there's a spoiler. People have tried to work out the remaining schedule and come up with different conclusions.
*snicker*
you have to be tough dear friends.
leaders like christian, rami, jillian, victoria are still there for a reason. i even think chris has got some balls. i think sweet p and ricky have been kept for other 'bravo' reasons.
this is project runway and a competition for bryant park, not 'dora the explorer' show. lol!
It is true Sweet P was fine with Rami being team lead and felt he was better qualified on this challenge. And true he had valid concern to be worried considering she was not 1 of the less successful designers and he was raked for his prom dress.
However, that is still no excuse to micromanage her to the point of tears. Recall during the first evening rami was all anxious and getting on her case about staying on schedule when she knew they WERE on schedule at that point.
The fact is Rami shot down her suggesitions and did not trust them. He wouldn't even take to Tim's concerns.
Sweet P has nothing against Rami personally. She has stated that in her burning questions interview. She stated she just did not like how he treated her during this challenge. jillian has commented on his management skills even though she is friends with rami. Tim has stated in print that Rami can be very stubborn and not receptive ideas.
It has been said Rami has talent. There's no doubt. But Rami has also displayed limitations that have impeded him in the challenges. You can have great design talent but still do lousy on this show. You could be perceived as a middling talent but still manage to create something incredible. Recall while twice he has won, those were the only 2 times we was in the top 3. Most of the other times he was either in the middle or in the bottom.
The issue isn't about his ability as a designer but as a competitor
Frank
Simple? Really? Perhaps in your opinion.
Better spelling & Grammar? Definitely.
Whining (not whinning)
each other (not eachother)
may HAVE added (may have exacerbated, or worsened would have been better)
You're (not your)
Oh Margaret (how great! so many "girls" on here) don't spoil things for all, just cause they've been spoiled for you.
ho hum...is he posting on here again??
I loved Sweet P's dress. I would wear that in a second. Rami has always been full of himself. When he won the first challenge he said something like how he had taken the competition to a higher level after his win or something.
Rami just doesn't strike me as a very good team player. A lone wolf. Nuff said.
SweetP has been on the design team for Bebe, she's had two labels of her own --she's more than competent and has worked with lots of different people.
She did a great job, especially with someone barking at her. Let's put it this way ...if he were my boss, I'd of quit. If he were my employee, I'd of fired him. So I think Sweet P was RIGHT to give up on him and pour her energies into her own creation --she knew his look was far from avant garde.
But remember when Rami was paired with Kevin and Jillian? He tried to push Jillian into making the same order to Kevin when he didn't have his shorts done.
"prlunatic said: I did not think Rami was that mean at all. Not handled the best, but
people - they are under a huge amount of pressure!"
And I'd add that, while he was prickish, if his partner had been Victorya or Ricky, instead of SP, people wouldn't think he was so mean.
--GothamTomato
Rami has a HUGE ego and let's face it, we KNOW he's going to win it all.
"When Tim came to the workroom and started talking about the dress being "too Rami", why on earth did Rami then make Sweet P talk about their "work process"? "
Because he's an Ass. Because he was being criticisized and he couldn't handle it.
Anyone DEFENDING Rami's actions ("he couldn't trust her" , "He had to manage her") is disgusting.
It's like defending the guy who beats his wife: "He has to keep her in line."
Yuck.
"Better spelling & Grammar? Definitely."
LOL!
Oh my, you make me afraid to post here again.
I'm going to go cry now and collapse. :(
"And I'd add that, while he was prickish, if his partner had been Victorya or Ricky, instead of SP, people wouldn't think he was so mean."
Yes we would. There is NO EXCUSE FOR THAT BEHAVIOUR. It was shameful and disgusting, as is any attempt to defend it.
Misogynistic. Arrogant. Childish.
"prickish" my ass. Get fukking real.
Yuck, yuck, yuck, YUCK!!!!
The dish is that it's Rami, Chris, Christian, and Jillian.
Great... The Drape, The Frizz, Sissybear and Chicken.
I don't get why they bother with FOUR for the final. Just seems like a waste of freakin' time.
Wow GothamTomato - excellent point.
Many are saying the "pairing" was all pre-planned by the producers.
It's true, if Rami had been with Ricky or Victoya, they would be cheering him.
Either way Rami and Sweet P are both very talented and I like them very much. Hope they make it to the end. :)
Metropolitan Vegetable said:
"In a season where the judging has earned so much criticism for being completely unfathamable and "crazy," I think the same can be said of certain opinions expressed by the viewers. They make no sense. Just cuz a person says something, over and over and over and over again, doesn't make it true. (It just makes it annoying.)"
As we say here in Maine - Ayup!
MV, you're my new hero.
Wow, Jackie, excellent point!!
Many are saying that Bravo has hired certain people to write favorable and derogatory things on this blog to sway public opinion.
I'm certain the one person responsible for all the smack talk on here against that poor woman has ulterior motives.
There is some serious hate or jealousy on here. The guys that run this blog are great and witty, but some of these fan posts are just craziness and projection.
What on earth are people seeing?
"There is NO EXCUSE FOR THAT BEHAVIOUR. It was shameful and disgusting"
My God! Did he bloody her eye out or slit her throat? I apparently watched a different version of the show.
I wish everyone happiness and keep enjoying the show. :)
I'm out...
My God! Did he bloody her eye out or slit her throat? I apparentley watched a different version of the show.
I love Sweet P. She's genuinely sweet. I'm glad she's made it this far.
Rami wasn’t open to Sweet P’s ideas and created an avant-garde look that was too tame and too Rami.
The man is an ass with a left boob phobia.
Nicely said anon - too tame yes.
But I get confused "too rami"? So where they (the team) supposed to do a look that was too Sweet P? I agree it was too tame for the judges or this challenge, but I just don't see a problem with a Team Leader designing his take, if the other part of the team said take the lead. Was Christian's too Christian? Was Jillian's jacket to Jillian? Was Kit's too Kit?
Hey queens.. y'all are just a tad too bitter over Rami.. I thought his dress was beautiful, but not avant garge.. fine.. I would wear it in a heart beat because it looks like art! Sweet P is just an ok designer.. is she a scatter brain and emotional?? YES!~ Does she cry over anything?? YES 2cond place after Ricki.
Is Rami Talented: HELL YES. was he tough in order to finish and meet the deadline? YES.. In the end did they both send interesting clothes down the runway?? ABSOLUTELY.. I thinki he could have handeled it better but who the hell knows what was going on and what we didn't see that was edited. Rami was in 2 team challenged before and if he is really a prick I think that would have shown 8 episodes ago.. I highly doubt that it's the case.. I imagine Sweet P didn't know what the hell she was doing which made him frustrated.. She was also way too emotional. I think Rami saved her ass on her dress as well. I doubt he will be willing to let her do whatever she wanted when he was team leader .. He would have been responsible for her design as well. As a matter of fact she wanted to make her dress Navy and he told her not to...
In the end I would still hope that he ends up in Bryant Park..
Rami was such a jerk to Sweet P. It was not fun to watch. When she was wanting to drape a form for her idea to show him exactly what she had in mind, he acted a sullen because he was not getting his way demanding a sketch. I also noticed he did not correct the judges when that acted like the RTW dress was his design. Prat indeed.
"Kanaisaid: But remember when Rami was paired with Kevin and Jillian? He tried to push Jillian into making the same order to Kevin when he didn't have his shorts done."
But Jillian didn't play the victim for the cameras over it. I do think that SweetP is playing a part that is not neccessarily reality. Maybe she learned that from her pal Peanut, who shot his career in the head with his behavior. I'd guess that lesson has not been lost on many of the designers.
And here's the thing about Rami & Jillian: They have, what looks to be, a very friendly relationship. And I would bet that when they were cast, the producers were hoping for conflict. I'd bet the producers thought that an (apparently) Jewish woman from Long Island, and a Palestinian Arab from Ramallah, would be at each other's throats, creating continual fireworks. They probably envisioned Jeffrey on steroids. Instead, Rami & Jillian are practically braiding each other's hair (well, they would if he had hair).
I just LOVE that! It is wonderful to see. That's why I said I can't decide if they are a sitcom or an After School Special. But either way, I think it is truly FABULOUS, and I love seeing it. And this is something that I don't recall ever seeing presented on TV before.
But judging based solely on the work: We don't know if it will be a top 3 or a top 4; so Rami's seeming one note-ness may be the thing that keeps him out of the finals (if it is 3). Of the top 4 (Jillian, Christian, Chris & Rami), he is probably the weakest. But I would love it if there is a final 4, because I think each of those 4 would bring something completely different & it could make for an interesting final.
--GothamTomato
"My God! Did he bloody her eye out or slit her throat?"
No, he just made her cry with verbal abuse.
Do you require actual blood?
Treating any person like that is objectionable. When it is a man doing it to a woman, it is somehow ever more so.
"I thought his dress was beautiful, ... I would wear it in a heart beat because it looks like art!"
Yes. So does my cat's vomit - like a Jackson Pollack.
"Is Rami Talented?" Not last week. Or the week before for that matter. Did Sweet P make the better dress? HELL YES! Is Rami an egocentric, disgruntled, misogynistic, ass-wipe of a buffoon?
HELL - TO - THE - YES!!!!!!!!
LOLOLOLOL
The "Sweet P's work is getting better and better" sentence crystallized for me what's missing this season.
Don't you get the impression that the people who actually had something to learn here are getting aufed one after the other, while the ones who already have a cemented style and are putting it out there every week are staying?
There just doesn't seem to be any kind of learning process leading up to the runway show that showcases everything they've learned.
It seems like they're on the show to build a fan base for their existing aesthetics.
Anne
"I do think that SweetP is playing a part that is not neccessarily reality. Maybe she learned that from her pal Peanut, who shot his career in the head with his behavior."
You've said this over and over, dozens of times. Ad infinitum. Ad nauseum.
BASED ON WHAT INFORMATION? Your intimate personal knowlege of the woman?
You keep saying: "Any minute now she's going to drop the goody-goody act and show her true colors. Just wait. Wait, here it comes. Hold on. Just wait ...."
It's a deluded fantasy. And it's uncalled for.
GothamTomato, don't let the bastards get you down.
I'm just sayin'.
Anne
Great points.
I'm just don't see the one-note thing. 8 challenges - that's all. And 3 of them were draped! 3 out of 8!
Have any of the other designers sent a similar aesthetic down the runway 3 times or more? Hell Yes!
"I'd bet the producers thought that an (apparently) Jewish woman from Long Island, and a Palestinian Arab from Ramallah, would be at each other's throats"
Apparently Jewish??
Ewww. This is ... this is borderline offensive.
Can anyone shut her down? TLo?
debrakay said:
"Oh Rami, you had a bad day. He reminds me of Yul in the movie The King and I ( with a better body )"
So maybe it's more of a middle eastern cultural thing with Rami instead of just being a jerk? middle eastern men don't exactly put women on pedestals. I could be way off base with this (and probably am), but it's just another possibility.
I think that what's uncalled for is your gothamtomato hate all over the place. She doesn't like Sweet Pea, I don't either. So what? People are still entitled to their opinions.
Anne
PS.. I meant avant garde
Boo hoo! Rami is a big 'ol meanie!
Oh for Pete's sake, it's a competition. There are any number of people who would throw their competitors down the stairs for $100, much less $100,000 and a show at Bryant Park.
Do you honestly think that the designers who get ahead in the fashion industry sit around holding hands and singing "Kumbya"?
"jackie said: Apparently Jewish??
Ewww. This is ... this is borderline offensive."
It is not meant to be. I read that she is, but I don't know for sure. I am Jewish myself & I love seeing this example of these two people (one Jewish & one Arab) getting along & becoming friends (especially when what is usually portrayed is warring factions).
It makes me feel hopeful & I think it's great. That was my point.
--GothamTomato
Gotham Tomato, I like you too! You're aces in my book.
um... in the real world of fashion... asking "What time will this be done" is just a way you conduct business and not verbal abuse.. We watched him ask her that question 3 times in a half hour show when in "reality" he asked her that question during 2.5 days...
and if Sweet P did not cry... would she had been poor little Sweet P???
Rami (who I think is Christian) is buddies with Jillian and she is Jewish...
hello! do your homework people!
Go on with your badself GothamTomato. :)
You make sense to me.
LOL Stubenville !!!
LOL!!!
Take a valium, poopsies.
I also think gotham tomato has an anti-P bias that makes his perceptions when it comes to her, in my opinion, less than impartial. But come on. He's entitled to his opinions, he states them clearly and fairly, he's not an anti-semite, and for the love of chiffon he's not some nefarious plant sent here by Bravo to stir the shit.
Pull it together. Everyone is allowed to disagree and calls to silence other commenters are ridiculous.
I think it was not so much Rami being a jerk, but just that he and Sweet Pea are almost perfectly designed personalities to come into conflict. He was trying to get information about what she was doing out of her, and she was unable to say. He reacted to that in a way that was guaranteed to make the situation worse, not better.
Remember? He was standing over her saying "what are you doing here? Explain it to me", but Sweet Pea CANNOT VERBALIZE HER IDEAS. She just stood there and ignored him, not out of rudeness but because she's inarticulate.
Rami's hyper-articulate. They just can't get along.
But of course getting along is as important as design skill -- probably MORE important. And communicating. Both of them showed some serious problems in this area. I don't think either of them has the design chops to get to the final three, either. I said it before: Jillian, Chris and Christian. If Victorya makes it through, it'll be on the strength of a fixed challenge.
"Kumbaya, my Lord, Kumbayaaaaaa"
Darn you, Stubenville!
I'm one of those poor unfortunates, who once they get a tune in their heads, will hum the dang thing over and over.
"Oh, Lord, Kumbayaaaa"
;-D
Gotham Tomato sed:
"And I'd add that, while he was prickish, if his partner had been Victorya or Ricky, instead of SP, people wouldn't think he was so mean."
Telling Sweet P to "go see if you can [put a seam in the pants]" like he'd be surprised if she managed to pull it off is unnecessarily harsh in any working relationship. Plus, it's stupid leadership. If he doesn't think she can do it, why bother asking her to do it? He'll just have to fix it later, so it doesn't save any time. If he does expect her to manage it, then why act like she can't? If he thinks she might be able to, why undermine her before she even starts?
Not everyone comes out of the womb equipped to be a team leader, but Rami was particularly bad. He was operating from fear the whole challenge, and his stress manifested in a whole heap of counter-productive ways. "I'm entitled to know exactly when you'll be finished" is not how to manage a project. "I need you to be done with this task by such-and-such time" and "How are you doing? Are you going to be finished on schedule?" are the way to keep things on track -- regardless of who your partner is.
Granted, Sweet P has far too many wide-eyed reactions, but her record is not terrible:
1. Ordinary sack dress
2. Partnered effectively with Elisa, who is nice but at a technical level maybe not the easiest partner
3. Wacko shirt, but decent pants
4. Very clever "baggy sweater" dress that really addressed the challenge
5. Ordinary dress for her now-smaller client, but bad styling
6. Dead simple dress after a lot of self-doubt and false starts
7. Simple but lovely prom dress with excellent styling
8. Very nice RTW dress
So she got along on two other teams, made three good outfits, contributed to a fourth (with Elisa), made three fairly ordinary dresses and completely messed up a man's shirt. I don't think she's Final Four material, nor is she best suited for a contest of this type, but she's capable of doing some nice work and she's not a jerk.
You're starting to seem bitter, and therefore too emotionally invested in what other people think of Sweet P. Which is usually a sign to step back and check your perspective.
People!
Don't make TLo turn this blog around.
The vegetables and fruits in particular seem to be having a bad day at the blog. We all express our opinions and of course not everybody agrees. Sew what? My opinion is always super dumb and yet you all haven't rum me off yet. Can't we all just agree to be opinionated? Isn't that what we're doing here in the first place? Well, besides being entertained by TLo of course.
Now let's do something constructive. Glug some wine, pet the cat, and start the clock for too-maaaarroooww!
"chica labouche said...
Take a valium, poopsies.
I also think gotham tomato has an anti-P bias that makes his perceptions when it comes to her, in my opinion, less than impartial. But come on. He's entitled to his opinions, he states them clearly and fairly, he's not an anti-semite, and for the love of chiffon he's not some nefarious plant sent here by Bravo to stir the shit."
Thanks Chica. But just one correction: I'm a she (not a he).
And yes, I'm not an anti-semite. I'm a Jew who just thinks, that with all the negative history, and the warring factions we see on the news every night, that it is fabulous to see Jillian & Rami's friendship. That's all. I think it's a great & hopeful thing. That was my only point.
(Maybe the problem with that post was the word 'apparently' in there. Or maybe some would have found it offensive anyway. But I said 'apparently' only because I wasn't positive of the source of the info).
BTW, I had a Valium once, but I don't remember much after I took it.
--GothamTomato
Gotham Tomato...
You're talking out of your ass.
Next year we'll look forward to seeing you try out for PR.
matty said...
"i've read/heared, that the last three 'standing' and showing their clothes in Bryant Park are Chris, Christian and Jillian."
got a link??
Wow.
What's with Gotham Tomato bashing, all you anonymous newbies (or just newbies)? Sense of humor need a tune up?
Why in the name of (your preferred cult leader here) would Bravo 'plant' posters here to sway opinions? To borrow from Lewis Carroll, for what porpoise?
Gotham, keep up the hilarious commentary... you're another reason I look forward to reading this blog!
I think there is someone on here who is already "auf" the show and is thinking that what they write here will help determine an outcome in the end.
*sigh...*
May the best designers make it to Bryant Park!
OR someone still on the show...
lol!
either way - it's "like super barf city"
I'm in the room people, and it's me stirring the shit!
Ring Ring...
"Heidi - how's the ratings???"
This must be some kind of hell for the contestants.
First they have to make it through the five weeks of whatever is thrown at them, with sleep patterns that must be pretty shitty.
Then they have to live with getting kicked off.
They have to watch themselves edited to a particular selling POV on TV.
And lastly, they swing by here and see themselves torn apart by dogs with a favorite designer chew toy!
I say we bring the cocktail party back!
*starts blender*
Girlie drink, anyone?
Anon said:
"Gotham Tomato...
You're talking out of your ass.
Next year we'll look forward to seeing you try out for PR."
how about we focus on the show and stop attacking the posters?
thanks much
I agree why all the tomato bashing? She been posting here for a long time. so to intimate she's a plant seems kind of silly.
Yes, it's clear she's no fan of Sweet P. So What?
There were postings of people who were not fans of Rami or Ricky or Victorya or last year of Vincent, Angela or Jeffrey.
again so what?
Frank
Right on Kanani and cpk!!
My goodness, there are still some nice people around here! :)
I was wowed by Rami's first dress. But since, he has kind of reminded me of Uli: same stuff, different day. I believe he needs to come leaping out of his box and and really make a statement! His execution is flawless, and he just needs to flex his, um, muscle. Rami just has this simmering, under the surface, bit of wildness. As a face and aesthetic, he is definitely marketable, just in a Laura sort of way.
Hello all, once again, I'm late for the party. Yowsa!...the fur is a'flyin, eh?
My take on the Rami/Sweet Pea pairing is closest to "chealseanh's" ...Rami is far more adept at articulating what he intends and Sweet Pea appears to need more guidance than someone of her age should.
As an aside:I'm over 40 and I can't think of a single peer my age who would have FOR A MOMENT taken Rami's petulant tone in leadership.
Sweet Pea has a 15 year lead on Rami and she 'should' have given him a verbal TORCHING...however, she quietly trumped his arrogant (yet, taut) ass with a superior garment. So, there's something to be said for subtlety. :)
I'm not a hater of either designer's work. I think both have their merits and I wonder if Sweet Pea wasn't matronly-looking (aiyee~, those unsupported boob-ages, c'mon girl...discover LaPerla) and didn't have an array of really cheap looking tats... that her work would be evaluated with a different eye.
I've come to expect that Rami will show at Bryant Park no matter what he chucks down the runway. He'll stand there with his Paris-Hilton-crossed-leg-pose (wtf?) and speak in staccato tones about sophistication until Nina & LaKors both reach climax. (crude of me, perhaps...far from the truth, I think not)
There's an old song by the band "ABC" called 'The Look of Love'...it's very Rami-in-an International-Male-sheer-tank. check it out ;)
"anon said: Gotham Tomato...You're talking out of your ass."
Thank you. It allows me to do quite a unique ventrilloquist act. Too bad Ed Sullivan is dead.
--GothamTomato
...sigh..
I miss the old days ....
when we would only rip the designers to shreds, not each other.
Can't we all just get along? Seriously....enough imbibing of the Hate-or-ade people. Its a TV show not a presidential debate.
Gotham Tomato a Bravo plant???....Jesus H Christ these anonymous posters are becoming more delusional by the minute....
Sooner or later we know tourist season will come to an end.
Can I get an Amen?
suzanne said:
Can I get an Amen?
true that. Amen.
(do we sing Kumbyaa now?) :)
I am too upset for words over the death of Heath Ledger. I cried for two hours after I got home from work. Surely I am not the only one here who is devastated by this terrible, terrible loss. I wish I was in New York so I could leave flowers in front of his building tonight.
hephaestion, before anyone has the opportunity to beat you up for "off-topic"...I'd like to say that, perhaps, TLo might consider setting up a meet-and-greet forum specifically FOR off-topic.
It could be interesting and would also (maybe?) stem the use of 'anonymous'. cheers!
I always come late to the party, and everybody's already said all the witty, insightful and snarky things, so I have to hang out in the corner trying to come up with something original while sipping brightly-colored whatever-tinis and surreptitiously stuffing tiny quiches in my mouth. Damn. Virtual reality is too much like real reality sometimes.
*burp*
Anyway, yes. Rami's look was sad and bad. I mentioned somewhere on the Kit thread that after rewatching the ep, I really think that Rami should have gone home instead of Ms. Pistol. Lously look, lousy leadership -- Rami really struck out this week. But yeah, judges' baby, wasn't going to happen.
Sweet P's dress was pretty. A pretty dress. It's nice to know that Sweet P can do pretty, since a lot of what she's sent down has been the exact opposite, but I still don't think she has anywhere near the talent of most of the other remaining contestants. A nice woman. Not a great designer.
Frank said:
"I agree why all the tomato bashing? She been posting here for a long time. so to intimate she's a plant seems kind of silly."
I thought tomatoes were plants! :)
"thyrza said...
I always come late to the party, and everybody's already said all the witty, insightful and snarky things..."
Thyrza, darling,
I love your comments. I actually looked for them : - )
Not that I've totally agreed with all the negative comments about Sweet P, but I have wondered whether she really is so sweet since she's friends with Jeffrey. If you're friends with an asshole, what does that say about you?
I suppose he might have a very different interpretation of "team leader"... maybe the Hebrew translation of "team leader" means "team dictator".
Just a reminder, Rami isn't Israeli, he's a Christian Palestinian Arab from Ramallah in the West Bank. So he's not likely to be thinking of things in Hebrew terms.
Please, somebody, pour drinks. This party's going south, fast. TLo! Quit hiding in the kitchen!
jen in philly said...
If you're friends with an asshole[Jeffrey], what does that say about you?
Perhaps it's totally innocent, like they live in the same neighborhood, go to the same place for coffee or perhaps patronize the same tattoo parlor?
stubenville said:
"Perhaps it's totally innocent, like they live in the same neighborhood, go to the same place for coffee or perhaps patronize the same tattoo parlor?"
With all the tattoos between them, they'd know each other pretty well if that's the case! :)
I'm not saying Sweet P's definitely got a mean streak, just something I've had in the back of my mind because of her association with Jeffrey, who I can't stand.
Rami's "misogynistic" because of the way he treated Sweet Pea? Do you make that accusation whenever a male questions the competence of a female, even if the female has demonstrated stunning incompetence in the past? I can think of several reasons why Rami treated Sweet Pea the way he did, without resorting to the tired old feminist smear of "misogynist". That explanation flatters Sweet Pea way too much.
Oh come on darlings...
Rami is talented and the most professional on the show. Yes - a professional person is also a human being. Human. He had a bad day under a ton of pressure and made a bad judgment. I have had bad days too. I'm sure everyone here has. We just didn't have our bad day in an insane competition, with no sleep, 100 camera's in our face, and 4 judges from hell hoping for a screw-up to enhance their critique and send us home.
I love Rami's designs. They are gorgeous. He's one of my 2 favorites this season and I hope he makes it to the end. :)
PLEASE, for the love of god, will designers, even the OH so VERY talented (and I'm not being sarcastic here) Project Runway Canada Season 2 designers, STOP ATTEMPTING "corsets" in your little 11 hours of work time, with plastic pieces of crap people in magical faerie ugly land call "boning." If Mr. Pearl ever even HEARD of these so called "corsets," I'm sure he would die immediately of simultaneous brain and anal hemmorraging. "Corsets" + "Project Runway" = fail. Corsets are extremely complicated garments that must be fitted PERFECTLY with COUTIL (or comparable COMPLETELY non stretchy fabric), with at least 18 METAL bones (either spiral or spring steel), a la Mr. Pearl, Lace Embrace, ElectraDesigns, etc. I am a novice corsetiere and even I can tell that the "corsets" made by fashion designers, on and off Project Runway, are absolute shit, with no boning, busk, or even grommets (eyelets are not appropriate for corsetry). I beg of you people, just, stop it. I don't care how pretty they are. If you can't do it, DON'T.
One of the purposes of team challenges is to see how well each designer "plays with others". While we don't know from the editing whether this aspect of the challenge was covered adequately during judging, Rami did not demonstrate good people skills.
In past seasons the point was made that the winning designer would have to work well with others. As team leader, it was up to Rami to find a way to manage his team - in other words, to approach Sweet P in a way that did not make her feel more pressured and thus less effective. I think Rami failed at this. Had he taken her ideas into consideration and communicated schedule and expectations better, perhaps he would have benefitted from the team aspect of the challenge.
In other words, per TLo, "the absolute worst way to handle someone like that is to badger and berate them to death." Word!
PS - Gotham Tomato, Thank you for all the laughs to date - I don't care which orifice does the talking, just carry on! Dorothy Parker would have invited you to the Algonquin for the daily snarky round table, and I would have loved to have been there too! (If you don't have anything nice to say, sit next to me!")
Sorry, gotham! I could have sworn that back in the day you had a male user photo, but you know, even if you did, that doesn't necessarily make you male. My bad.
And here all this time I've pictured you as a middle-aged, dark haired 'mo.
This is a really BORING group of designers.
Chris is great but I think he is keeping a low profile after his early ouster.
Christian is amusing up to a point. The rest of them are just annoying.
Ramie worked great on a team with Jillian because Jillian's got game!
From what I've seen on the show, I'm not sure Sweet P's going to go all the way.
I'm not impressed with another little dress again. It's...OK.
Either way, they both pulled it off, contributed and kept from being the worst collaboration.
Just because you "play nice together", like Kit and Ricky, obviously doesn't mean the "team challenge" worked. Yicks!
Rosie's Girl: While the importance of working well with others has often been mentioned by the judges, I don't think they've ever actually used that criteria to auf anyone. Good Lord, look at Jeffrey! His people skills were practically non-existent, and he took home the prize. Next to him Rami is a cuddly teddy bear.
I think the judges should either seriously weigh the designers' behavior toward teammates and clients while making decisions about who wins and who goes home, or they should stop stressing the importance of such behavior.
Danieldc: Thanks!
GT: Keep putting those trolls in their places! I think I might build a drinking game around this if it continues -- one shot of tequila, say, for every troll you shoot down. I'm hoping they'll disappear soon, but if not, at least you get to exercise your considerable wit at their expense, and I get to be tipsy. Everybody wins!
*sips big girlie drink*
Andre ...
Would you be a friend and do me a favor? Put some new music on. I wanna daaaaaannce!
Call me crazy, but I think Sweet P may be the one going to Bryan Park. I base this prediction off of the fact that she used Lea as her primary model in her pre-show collection. (Lea walked out with her when she came out for the applause).
At this point, it is safe to assume that Lea is the model that will not be aufed since every designer, except for Chris and VictorYa, it seems, wants a piece of her. That said, for Sweet P to be able to use her as her main model seems to indicate that Lea has become "her" model, and the one that she gets to use at Bryan Park, so to speak. Just a thought.
(newbie alert)
Amidst all the cries of Rami being "one-note," someone asked about others sending the same shiz down the runway -
Yep...especially YaYa - who sends one babydoll after another down the catwalk. The closest thing to a waist was on the hideous green weight-loss dress.
Can the same be said about SP? I guess, but her 'little dresses' have had more detail and more differentiation than YaYa's. Even the criminally boring Hershey's dress -- different necklines, silhouettes, waistlines.
I wouldn't consider her to be as one-note as either Rami or YaYa.
Hephaestion
Sorry, sweets. I liked him too. And just so we stay on topic, I've done up a post for Heath on my blog. Go ahead and comment away. And by the way, anyone can.
urbankunoichi: I was thinking EXACTLY the same thing when I saw this look going down the runway. It's a huge pet peeve of mine when people think they're the shit over making a flimsy "corset" full of plastic. It's like dude, you didn't make a corset, you made some cheap lingerie to look like one. Which is fine, but nothing to be patting yourself on the back for.
As for the rest of the comments, man. People are getting awfully upset over other people disliking contestants. I'm guessing y'all weren't hanging out at PR blogs during S2, when everyone and their brother was bashing the hell out of Santino. (God, I miss those days--when the designers remembered that they were on TV, and were entertaining...)
sewing siren, you are my soul mate! I LOVE to pause the tivo and give myself 15 minutes to do my own little sketch along with the designers. I like to see which designer uses ideas that I came up with. The extra advantage of pausing for my sketching time is I then get to fast fwd thru the commercials.
I once took a computer questionnaire to determine which Buffy the Vampire Slayer I was (I ended up being Oz, although I really thought I would be Giles). If I had the time, I would do one myself, but maybe someone who is wonderfully industrious, obsessive, creative could do the same for PR . . . ?
- Donna
After spending the last 10 hours on a horrific project, I was so happy to come here and find this little nugget: "Pretend he's not the judges' little wankfantasy golden boy."
I so needed that! And I am now appropriating the phrase as I return to my soul-suck of a project and take my artists to task for not doing what they should have done when they should have done it (cuz honestly, some of them are little wankfantasy golden boys).
Thank you, thank you, thank you, TLo!
I think Sweet P's dress is a great look that would work for a number of people who aren't built like models. Maybe she could turn it into her signature look (sort of like the Kara Janx wrap dress). As for Rami's look--just not good.
And I'd like to add another vote to put an end to all this bashing of other posters--why the recent surge of bashing and why does someone have a bug up their ass about Gotham Tomato? Spirited debate about the show is great, but wading through these personal attacks is not so much fun.
Suzanne said Sooner or later we know tourist season will come to an end.
Can I get an Amen?
AMEN, Suzanne!!
And kisses to Gotham Tomato.
I'm just gonna sit here and wait for the return of the light-hearted snark and the umbrella drinks.
Personally, I didn't think Rami's design was that bad. It wasn't avant garde, but it wasn't bad.
In numerous episodes we've seen Sweet P struggle through challenges, scuttle her design altogether and start over at the last minute, show indecision. Alot of what we see on these shows are the product of editing. Rami sure was pretty nasty, but I have a feeling alot of it was due to the fact that Sweet P may be a nightmare to work with.
For me, it's Chris all the way. There is no way that Christian, with his 80s sensibility for fitted jackets with stuff on the front, came up with that avant garde design last week. I heard him talking about loops of organza or such, but no way did he come up with that shoulder thing on his own. And it was fabulous!!! It reminded me of some designs I remember on the runway in the last 20 years at the highest end shows!! I cannot imagine Nina, with the way she was smiling at that design, auf'ing Chris after pulling that off. When the camera showed her face, I was thinking that she looked ecstatic that they had a team that actually outdid most noted designers with their dress, and isn't this what the show is all about? She seemed thrilled that these guys had sent this down the runway. In my view, it really gave credibility to the show altogether. Chris is truly, in my view, the most talented designer, with the greatest ability to make a fashion statement, of all of them.
Jillian is OK, too, but seems to hate fitting garments properly. Her candy challenge stood about 6 inches away from the body on top, and her prom dress didn't fit properly either.
So go Chris!! Or if not Chris, then Christian, because I think he is skilled and he learned from Chris!!
I agree with Sewwhite...this is a BORING group of designers....with the exception of Chris and even Christian brings in some entertainment.
We may all bitch about the supposed "judging" on this show (since the producers are the ones holding all the cards on that score), but the contestants are terrible! I'm not talking about their designs....I'm talking about their "reality" TV components---which suck!
The producers did a big NO NO this season....trying to validate the reality in their entertainment program. If I wanted to actually watch a designer at work, I'll go get an errand runner job for one.
I don't want that--I want to be entertained! This is TV! Entertain me! Stop shoving people that have less charisma than a wet cat in the rain onto my screen and get me the spotlight junkies. Its more entertaining!
Thyrza, I agree, and don't think Rami should have been aufed for being a tad bit testy with Sweet P. I just got to the party late and wanted my participation ribbon!
Managing projects staffed by unruly groups of "happy workers" assigned by their management was my curse in the workplace. Diplomacy was the only tactic available, so when Rami's approach just made Sweet P nuts, I had a work flashback and almost fell off the couch.
His dress didn't do much for me either. The bodice looked like it was designed by committee but we know that didn't happen since he listened to his team mate...[drum roll] not at all.
Cheers,
Rosie's Girl
Not that this is an opinion that will shock anyone, but Rami's behaviour is probably based in the fact that he is such an established designer in the first place. He is probably quite used to setting schedules in his own studio and having his employees follow them. He looks like he is at his own business, churning out the stuff that already makes him successful. I only wonder why he is even on the show in the first place. Does he need the infusion of cash so badly?
Thanks to Anne, Bill, Daxx, SewWhat? and Donna for the nods. And thanks to Lilithcat for the link to the Merman. He is cute.
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I agree with Stubeville, that Rami's behavior was not so bad. A lot of highly skilled people are a little "difficult". Remember they are working for two days in a high pressure environment, I know for positive they could catch 3 or 4 minutes of *me* being an asshole in that situation. It didn't seem to me that Sweet P had all that hard of a time working with Rami either, she cried a little near the end of the process, but who wouldn't? Again lots of pressure on these designers.
I certainly don't see anything to indicate that Rami is a misogynist, in fact I would venture to guess that he prefers to work with women.
I tried to post yesterday, before the explosion of angst - but it never showed up :(
But yes: to reiterate what's already been said much more snarkily than I could: these designers are boring, y'all. Rami and VictorYa send the same look down the runway. Christian is entertaining, but HE sends almost the same look down each week. Ricky should have gone years ago; Sweet P is erratic (sometimes awesome, sometimes not). Chris is superfab but HIS designs are a bit erratic. Jillian makes clothes only for herself.
I don't know....the bland, bland personalities are killing me. Everyone's just head-down working, or having secret hysterics - there's so little interaction between the designers.
I wonder if the producers are happy with their casting this year?
Amen Suzanne!
Bloody Mary anyone?
:o)
Is it just me or is the left hem on the overdress/corset-thingy all purposefully wonky *just like the hem of Christian's skirt on his first effort this season*.
Do you think after the Gunn-icism of the outfit, Rami tried to avant it up by "borrowing" this element?
~ Zombiebirdhouse
I wish I could sketch.
That sounds like tons of fun, pausing the tivo and doing your own designs. And then taking a giant sip from a girly drink and dancing around the apartment, rejoicing in how much better your sketch would have turned out.
It's reality TV, kittens!
P.S. Gotham Tomato rocks - let's do lunch, I'm in Manhattan, too!
Rami is getting on my last nerve...he thinks he is such a shoe in for Bryant Park that he can do whatever Rami wants and not what the judges ask for. I was hoping he would be offed last week. Kudos to Sweet pea for her beautiful dress and for putting up with his demenaing shit!!!!
I'm also late to the party this week, and apparently it's been a bumpy night. It would be a shame to have to give up reading these comments because of persistent flame wars. Let's end the madness, people!
About Sweet P, I'll just have this to say: During season 2 I seriously misjudged Kara based on her work during the show. I thought her designs were boring and uninspired. Then she rocked the tent at Bryant Park so hard that she probably would have won if she hadn't already been kicked off. It's highly entertaining each week to see what the designers come up with given their crazy time contraints and design restrictions, but I'm not willing to use their work on the show to generalize about their overall merit as designers. So far most of the clothes produced by all the designers have been pretty safe and probably not representative of what would be shown at Bryant Park.
As far as the personalities of the designers goes, please keep in mind that we are being told a story using tiny snippets of footage. Can't we enjoy the story and appreciate these people as complex individuals without having to believe that we understand everything about them?
And can I just say how sick I am of all the conspiracy theory stuff? Planted commenters, rigged button bags, judges' aufing strategies. Who cares? Unless there's evidence, I don't want to hear it.
You summed it up perfectly.
If I could pick one dress of the entire season to hang in my closet, it would be Sweet P's dress this week.
I love Rami's work, but this week not so much. He was a total jerk to Sweet P.
I find it kinda amusing that this comments section, mainly focusing on how one designer couldn't work well with another, has also demonstrated that many Project Rungay commenters also need some people skills.
I think everyone needs some fruity drinks. It's just the interwebs, people.
I find it amusing the prickish attitude from many in here that use the word "tourist" with some imagined sense of entitlement.
I've participated in this blog from it's inception and I've been particularly critical of "Gotham Tomato" from the beginning. So I'm not a "Tourist".
I find her rancor and spiteful invective to be intolerable. Her attempts at character assasination are bilious and childish.
She hated Jeffrey and ruined last years blog with her rants.
This year, her pathology is redirected at Sweet P. She has called her a "Nasty Freak", then turned around and said "I don't hate her".
She has insulted her fellow posters (and the blog hosts) with her opinion about Tatoos, fat issues, and several times actually had to post apologies.
I will continue to counter her every biased, prejudicial posts with a suitable response. Most get deleted, but a few get through.
And since I see many others who share my distaste for this person in their posts, I know I'm not the only one.
Oh, our chiseled Rami had his asshole in quite a pucker, didn't he? I thought he went a little overboard, but I would be tense too were it my butt and design reputation on the line. I felt bad for Sweet P but honestly, she should have given it right back to him. As for the misogyny comments...I dont get that read from Rami at all. I think he is a perfectionist who demands a lot from himself and expects that others should have the same high standards. When they don't, he is unable to deal with it effectively.
Oh, and I think gothamtomato is hilarious--keep it up, girl!
"Anonymous said...
I find it amusing the prickish attitude from many in here that use the word "tourist" with some imagined sense of entitlement.
I've participated in this blog from it's inception and I've been particularly critical of "Gotham Tomato" from the beginning. So I'm not a "Tourist"."
Why not post under something other than Anonymous, then?
And, isn't curious that you profess a distaste for someone you've never met, based on her perceived distaste for someone she's never met?
Pot, meet kettle.
Chill out. So, some of us can trace our ancestry back to Acerbia. Big deal.
Yay Jen in Philly!!
Pot, meet kettle.
hahahaha!
Yay snf in va!
Anonymous said...
I will continue to counter her every biased, prejudicial posts with a suitable response.
No, you won't.
If you're a fan of this blog as you claim to be, then you have to realize that you are pissing off the hosts (namely, us) since we have to delete dozens of your comments every week.
There's a huge difference between disagreeing with someone and attacking them to the point of obssession.
You don't have to like any of the other commenters and you definitely don't have to agree with them, but you are not going to use our blog to attack them.
It's becoming increasingly more obvious that Rami's mama only nursed him on the right one.
I'm finally staring at that 'corset.'
Personally I'd rather talk about the show and not fellow posters. Ah - how much has changed in a year. Let's have fun again with the epi tonight.
I hope you guys are wrong on this one, I don't want to see Rami at Bryant Park.
The Almighty Tom and Lorenzo said:
"You don't have to like any of the other commenters and you definitely don't have to agree with them, but you are not going to use our blog to attack them."
I agree, but I think it would also help if people would stop calling anyone who has a beef with Gotham Tomato (or anyone else) a tourist or troll or whatever. It's only making things worse.
I think TLo are thisclose to making us all sit in the corner and have a time out until we can all play nicely with each other.
The commenting guidelines at BPR include:
"We have a very low tolerance for in-fighting amongst each other. Please do not use our comments as a venue to pick a fight or bully other commenters. We are all friends here."
and
"We encourage lively discussion but no personal attacks, please. Also, once your opinion is stated, you don't have to continue to reaffirm. If someone else has another opinion just let it be. We like seeing the different opinions - all are valid and important to BPR. If everyone agreed on everything, our blog would be boring."
Seems like a reasonable request to maintain civility. And in that spirit, I apologize for complaining about other comments in my previous post. Now where's my fruity drink?
I can't wait for tonite! And tomorrow morning! heehee
I love denim...LOVE IT. So can't wait to see what comes up as fashion forward.
Just to clarify, I'm not confused about what's BPR and what's Project Rungay. I'm just suggesting that we commenters could use a little refresher advice.
Regarding Rami. I've been giving this some thought. He's not my favorite designwise or personality wise. BUT he's a flawless "executioner" of his garments and always provides plenty of detail which is not easy to pull off w/ the time constraints, etc. And he does so beautifully.
I need to remember at times this is a COMPETITION. That aspect will bring out the more, well, competitive aspects of anyone's personality. And being somewhat competitive is essential to making it in any entreprenurial world.
Sweet P seems somewhat the opposite in this regard. I see her being totally pleased with a design lifestyle including word of mouth clients who she can have fun with, have a more intimate relationship with ("come over for coffee and let's talk about what you want") but maybe not the highly competitive world of high fashion. I love her personality to pieces and love alot of what she comes up with but she may be missing this critical element to rise in the track PR sends it's winners on (Jay McCarroll may have had a similar "vulnerability/likability" quality now that I think of it).
Just some musings...
"Anonymous said...
I hope you guys are wrong on this one, I don't want to see Rami at Bryant Park."
Nope, they're not.
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