Didn't that reveal seem a little melodramatic even for Project Runway?
Oh, Joe. We're going to wait to see that comment in context before passing judgment, but it's not looking good for you.
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Tuesday, August 05, 2008 by Author
Didn't that reveal seem a little melodramatic even for Project Runway?
Oh, Joe. We're going to wait to see that comment in context before passing judgment, but it's not looking good for you.
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188 comments:
Woo Hoo! FIRST???? :-)
Oh, Joe, we hardly knew ye. (In fact, we kept forgetting you were even on the show!)
national costumes for Olympics opening ceremonies?
I will also reserve judgment until I see the context of the comment, but the tone with which he said it (and the look on his face while doing so) does not bode well.
And well, it's also nice that Keith could finally confirm that he IS, in fact, definitely an asshole. There is no way he didn't know what he was doing when he used that fabric and then when Terri called him on it he made up some lame, pathetic lie. I guess you have to resort to things like that when you're sinking in the competition and everyone realizes it.
Who was that guy in Casablanca who was shocked, SHOCKED, that there was gambling going on?
Apparently his grandson, Pasta Joe, is on PR.
If he'd like to find a place with fewer queens, he should try figure skating.
--GothamTomato
BTW, I'm not convinced that Pasta Joe's were meant to be derogatory. You never know with these snippets. It could easily be good-natured ribbing.
--GothamTomato
I can see Pasta Joe having a lot of explaining to do to the press already.
What 37 year old says "ginormous"???
Oh, Suede...I'm trying so hard not to loathe you...
"One of the most stylist gold medalists EVER?" with that haircut?
" tom in kc said...
What 37 year old says "ginormous"???
Oh, Suede...I'm trying so hard not to loathe you..."
Not to mention the hair and the clothes. He's been living here in NY for the past 15 years. Hasn't he learned anything?
I guess it's perfectly okay for TLo and the commenters on PRG to straight-bash Joe non-stop because that's different somehow, right?
So has it been confirmed that this season is the "Best of the PR Challenges"? Almost all so far are tweaks on previous ones. I'm sort of hoping they do another family member challenge so I can watch Stella design something for say, Keith's Mormon Mother.
I actually laughed when I heard Joe's comment because he said it like a queen. He could have used several stronger words if he was really being malevolent. We'll just have to wait and see what the context was.
BrianB
Darlings, are you serious? That room *IS* chock full of queens! We're going to get all up in arms for pointing out the obvious? Don't be silly.
I'm more interested in seeing what the Republic of Cocktail Lounges, or whatever Michael said, looks like, in any case. :)
"Anonymous said...
I guess it's perfectly okay for TLo and the commenters on PRG to straight-bash Joe non-stop because that's different somehow, right?"
Please demonstrate how T Lo have "straight bashed" anyone. Show your work.
Yea, lots of red white and blue fabric this week; it must be an Olympics related challenge. I like the exchange between St. Tim and Cheroin about using black and her invoking "biker chic". Since when did popping wheelies become an official Olympic sport?
As for Joe, not a smart comment. But you know how the PR edits almost always take comments out of context. I'll reserve judgement on Joe until I see the episode.
I interpreted Joe's comment in a much less... inflammatory light. There are a lot of divas this season, of both genders.
I'm waiting to see what he ACTUALLY says.
" national costumes for Olympics opening ceremonies?"
Yep, that was my thought, too.
And Joe may well be referring to Drama Queens, which are always plentiful on reality TV.
"That Girl said...
I interpreted Joe's comment in a much less... inflammatory light. There are a lot of divas this season, of both genders."
But that isn't what he said. He said there were "too many queens."
Hypothetical: Would people be as inclined to wave away his comments if he'd said there were "too many women" or too many blacks?"
what that girl said... I didn't realize that drama queen was gender specific :)
Juju
" Toniann said...
Darlings, are you serious? That room *IS* chock full of queens! We're going to get all up in arms for pointing out the obvious? Don't be silly."
The room is also full of African-Americans. Should we start making derogatory remarks about them too?
Come on. I'm gay and my gay friends are always bitching that there are "too many queens..." blah blah blah
Do you REALLY think someone who chooses to be a fashion desigher and who chooses to be on Project Runway doesn't like gay people?
And this website is the LAST place I'd expect to find the PC police.
""Anonymous said...
"That Girl said...
I interpreted Joe's comment in a much less... inflammatory light. There are a lot of divas this season, of both genders."
But that isn't what he said. He said there were "too many queens."
Hypothetical: Would people be as inclined to wave away his comments if he'd said there were "too many women" or too many blacks?"
EXACTLY!!!
Anonymous said...
"That Girl said...
I interpreted Joe's comment in a much less... inflammatory light. There are a lot of divas this season, of both genders."
But that isn't what he said. He said there were "too many queens."
Uh, exactly. There are definitely dramatic personalities on the show (Kenley, Stella) that aren't homos, you know. And I think it's a bit naive for anyone to claim he meant "drama queens." If he had, he would have said "drama queens." Since when does shorten that to just 'queens'? Please. Either way, the comment's not that bad, and I'm guessing one of the queens probably criticized whatever tacky, tasteless mess Joe decided to design this week.
"Juju said...
what that girl said... I didn't realize that drama queen was gender specific :)"
He said "There's too many queens around." He didn't say "drama queens."
And this isn't a gender issue; it's an issue of making an anti-gay comment.
How would you feel if he had said...
1- Too many pregnant women here.
2- Too many fat women here.
3- Too many women with kids here.
4- Too many Asians here.
5- Too many blacks here.
Not to mention Stella calling her grommet "gay" because apparently it wasn't strong or butch enough.
As skanky as it was for Keith to steal Terri's fabric, it was worth it to hear Terri get all "Oh no you didn't!"
Let it out, girl! You get all Whitney on his ass!
Did Stella say "speed racer"?
Awesome. I sort of love her. Go Speed Racer Go!
Definitely reserving judgment until context is provided. And barely reserving judgment on Apolo as a judge of fashion until I hear what he actually says.
I'm giving Joe a pass on the comment. I've spent a week's vacation with too many queens and found it taxing (and that's coming from someone who can be a big ol' queen himself sometimes - must be even tougher on a straight man).
Gay does not automatically = queen in my book (and vice versa - a straight coworker is the biggest queen I ever met) so I don't buy into the "what if he had said blacks or women" argument.
And most queens I know are quite aware of how high maintenance they are and seem to revel in it so I don't think they'd take offense at being called out - or they would and have a big ol' hissy fit about it and love every minute of it.
I'm stepping back now until all the PC police are done.
Yeah it came out wrong, but I don't think Joe meant any harm by it. We'll see, it;s hard to tell without context.
Queen could mean DRAMA queen... might not. Joe hasn't seemed like he has much of a personality yet. I suspect the editing elves found another spot to manufacture MORE drama out of an already fairly dramatic incident.
I loved when Michael said Cocktail Land. Sounds like a great country! Can I move there?
Lord, please send Stella home this week. Does anyone think she has a legitimate chance at actually winning this show? I can't imagine the next great American fashion designer having one look - fugly biker.
Stella needs to go home she does nothing but complain. She does not deserve to be there.
I feel truly sorry for gay men who accept slurs against themselves while rushing to put down those who have the self worth to point them out as "PC Police." Newsflash: it's not going to make the popular kids like you more.
And anyone who thinks he wasn't referring solely to the gay men in the group has their head in the sand.
We're never EVER going to achieve full equality because so many of us, deep down, think we deserve to be derided.
I think Frau Seal likes the little skater boy.
" Bill said...
Gay does not automatically = queen in my book (and vice versa - a straight coworker is the biggest queen I ever met)..."
That's precisely the point; playing on the stereotype of gays as "drama queens."
I guess this week they are recycling the Sasha Cohen/figure-skating challenge from season two, which I recall only liking slightly better than the wrestling challenge from last season (even though the designers were forced to walk around in tight spandex outfits - poor Emmett!).
Hope the drama at Parsons (queens, and so many of them - in all varieties) makes up for the lameness of the challenge and guest host.
more like a special Olympics challenge.
I know this is anathma for most of the people here, but can you imagine what bags of crap Cheroin would hurl down the runway if somehow she miraculously managed to make it to Bryant Park?
I guess it's perfectly okay for TLo and the commenters on PRG to straight-bash Joe non-stop because that's different somehow, right?
Correct.
Do you really not understand the difference?
"Stubenville said...
I know this is anathma for most of the people here, but can you imagine what bags of crap Cheroin would hurl down the runway if somehow she miraculously managed to make it to Bryant Park?"
I will never watch this show again if that happens. I'm willing to accept Blayne and Stella staying for a while for the sake of entertainment but they better send these two home before the competition gets tough.
Oh I forgot to mention; Stella's catwalk music would have to be Grace Jones' Warm Leatherette.
It seems to me a bad sign that the only "exciting" tidbits that the producers could find to extract from the shooting of the episode and offer as tantalizing morsels for the upcoming episode are Suede's retarded use of language ("it's ginormous!") and Joe complaints about the surfeit of queens. Ho-hum.
It seems to me a bad sign that the only "exciting" tidbits that the producers could find to extract from the shooting of the episode and offer as tantalizing morsels for the upcoming episode are Suede's retarded use of language ("it's ginormous!") and Joe complaints about the surfeit of queens. Ho-hum.
Ginormous? How old is he? Seven?
Heck I have said too many teenagers, too many kids, too many yuppies, too many tourists, too many men.
So what. Now you can say too many crabby old woman and we can call it even.
I'm certainly reserving judgement on Joe's "queens" comment until I hear it in it's entire context. Right now it's a sound bite with no background.
Though I think Apollo Ono is just about the cutest thing, I have never considered him a fashion afficianado, but we shall see.
Is the designer's challenge to design opening ceremonies uniforms for our Olympic team (ala the Post Office challenge)???? If so, they would have to design one for the gals and one for the guys. Hmmmm, a puzzlement, so far!
----StkrShock
" MMurphena said...
How would you feel if he had said...
1- Too many pregnant women here.
2- Too many fat women here.
3- Too many women with kids here."
I'd say, 'it's about time someone called out those heifers'.
But that's just the kinda gal I am.
We really don't know anything about the context of what Joe said. However we do know that the previews always take things out of context to pump up interest in the show, and they often have little to do with the reality of an episode. I'd rather actually watch the episode before I make my determination. Til then, I'll just be amused.
--GothamTomato
Stebenville, her song could be Joan Jett's Black Leather too.
Joe is a wonderful guy and isn't in any way shape or form homophobic. Statements can be taken out of context and misinterpreted this one does not express how he feels about gay people.
gothamtomato said: I'd say, 'it's about time someone called out those heifers'.
Gotham Tomato, will you marry me?
"anon said: I guess it's perfectly okay for TLo and the commenters on PRG to straight-bash Joe non-stop because that's different somehow, right?"
Because, of course, straight guys have been so discriminated against throughout history. Zzzz...
First Rule of Comedy:
Little guy hits big guy = Funny
Big guy hits little guy = Not funny
--GothamTomato
Bill said: "I'm giving Joe a pass on the comment. I've spent a week's vacation with too many queens and found it taxing (and that's coming from someone who can be a big ol' queen himself sometimes - must be even tougher on a straight man)."
I agree 100% with this and everything else Bill said. When I make fun of queens, it has nothing to do with them being gay, and everything to do with overly dramatic.
It's ironic that people are so up in arms about the "queen" comment, but it's perfectly fine to make fun of Stella for all sorts of reasons (the nickname "Cheroin" comes to mind, implying she's a drug user -- that's OH SO classy, and not at all derogatory ;-).
If you can't take someone making fun by calling others a "queen," then perhaps some of you should look at the names you've been calling others, as well.
Then again, based on the attitude-slinging that usually goes on here, perhaps the comment just hit a little too close to home.
Judgment definitely reserved, considering Bravo!'s habit of taking clips wildly out of context.
Gotham Tomato asked, Who was that guy in Casablanca who was shocked, SHOCKED, that there was gambling going on?
That was Claude Rains, as Captain Louis Renault. Immediately after he says it, the croupier comes up and hands him his winnings.
Because, of course, straight guys have been so discriminated against throughout history. Zzzz...
Come on, GT!
Don't you know that making jokes about straight, white males age 18-60 is just the same as making jokes about minority groups that have had to struggle for acceptance?!?!
We're oppressed!!!!
If only we had representation in our state and federal governments!
Is the designer's challenge to design opening ceremonies uniforms for our Olympic team (ala the Post Office challenge)???? If so, they would have to design one for the gals and one for the guys. Hmmmm, a puzzlement, so far!
----StkrShock
Why? They designed ostensibly unisex uniforms for the Post Office, and, more applicably, the US Olympic Team's opening ceremony uniforms are unisex as well. Do we not remember the beret-sweatsuit combo from the Salt Lake City games?
Of course, the fevered "hey-look-at-what-he-said-oh-NOESSSSS!!!" pushing of what is likely an out-of-context, off-hand comment is pretty funny.
It's featured in the preview clip, the preview clip is TITLED "Too mnay queens", and the description of the clip features the phrase.
It's almost as if Bravo has been desperately waiting for ANYONE to say something vaguely offensive.
Brian B - LMAO - "I'm sort of hoping they do another family member challenge so I can watch Stella design something for say, Keith's Mormon Mother. "
MMurphena said...
"How would you feel if he had said...
1- Too many pregnant women here.
2- Too many fat women here.
3- Too many women with kids here.
4- Too many Asians here.
5- Too many blacks here."
Puh-leez. #2 is standard not only on PR (again on a # of challenges) and the freakin' fashion industry in general. And the designers of most women's clothes are NOT fans of WOMEN (instead 10 year old boys) because MOST tops/dresses are NOT made for women with BREASTS!
"Anonymous said...
It's ironic that people are so up in arms about the "queen" comment, but it's perfectly fine to make fun of Stella for all sorts of reasons (the nickname "Cheroin" comes to mind, implying she's a drug user -- that's OH SO classy, and not at all derogatory ;-). "
For the slow people in the crowd: T Lo makes fun of individuals by poking fun at their individual traits. They don't make fun of Stella because she's a woman. Or Korto because she's black. There's such a huge difference that I find it hard to believe you can't see that.
People seem to have a funny definition of what "reserving judgment" means. It doesn't mean "I think it's fine unless something else comes out that makes it seem worse."
Bailey referenced "unisex" garments. Does anyone else remember the priceless Gilda Radnor on SNL as Emily Litella saying:
What’s all this fuss I keep hearing about this Christmas the United Nations is collecting for unisex?
to anonymous @ 10:14:
Suade, Jerrell, Blayne, and to a certain extent Keith have all individually been drama queens, so should he have specifically insulted them individually instead of using a plural? Would that have made it less insulting to you?
I don't think we're gonna agree on this issue, because I think many are getting offended because to them, queen=gay, whereas I see queen=an very annoying personality trait (and yes, I queen out at times myself, and yes, I find myself annoying when I do that). You see him insulting gays in general, I see him insulting the specific gays who are, IMHO, drama queens. To quote you, "There's such a huge difference that I find it hard to believe you can't see that."
From the TLo Blog: "And some just clutched their pearls and fanned themselves like the queens they are."
TLo calls a spade a spade, and it's hilarious. Joe POTENTIALLY also calls a spade a spade and everyone's all up in arms.
Kettle, I'd like to introduce you to the pot.....
Ya know, y'all need to get yourselves to Cocktail Land pronto.
Now, chill, go grab your drinks and meet me on the veranda.
"Anonymous said...
From the TLo Blog: "And some just clutched their pearls and fanned themselves like the queens they are."
TLo calls a spade a spade, and it's hilarious. Joe POTENTIALLY also calls a spade a spade and everyone's all up in arms.
Kettle, I'd like to introduce you to the pot....."
Once again, for the slow:
"Boy, Wendy Pepper acted like such a bitch!"
vs.
"There's too many bitches in the workroom."
"I'd say, 'it's about time someone called out those heifers'.
But that's just the kinda gal I am."
--GothamTomato
9:57 AM"
by-otch!
Now I am big and busty - I guess have to try to figure out "how you meant" the heifer comment?
Normally you are funny- but seriously - you don't bytch about a verbal comment (out-of context and possibly edited) and then put some crap like that in writing. And if you do, you should direct it towards the "type" of person who made the insult in the first place. I get so P.O.'d when a black/AA person calls me fat or a pig or a cow, but IF I would say an equivalent remark back - again **I'd** be the bad guy.
" Anonymous said...
to anonymous @ 10:14:
Suade, Jerrell, Blayne, and to a certain extent Keith have all individually been drama queens, so should he have specifically insulted them individually instead of using a plural? Would that have made it less insulting to you?"
YES.
Once again, he didn't say "drama queens." He said "too many queens." He didn't refer to one gay man annoying him, he referred to ALL the gay men in the group annoying him.
This is like our own, gayer version of the Barack Obama New Yorker cover scandal!!
Anonymous said...
to anonymous @ 10:14:
Suade, Jerrell, Blayne, and to a certain extent Keith have all individually been drama queens, so should he have specifically insulted them individually instead of using a plural? Would that have made it less insulting to you?
I don't think we're gonna agree on this issue, because I think many are getting offended because to them, queen=gay, whereas I see queen=an very annoying personality trait (and yes, I queen out at times myself, and yes, I find myself annoying when I do that). You see him insulting gays in general, I see him insulting the specific gays who are, IMHO, drama queens. To quote you, "There's such a huge difference that I find it hard to believe you can't see that."
Uh, please. Now, by no means was it some ridiculously horrible remark or anything, and I'm sure it's been blown out of proportion, but stop kidding yourself please. No one refers to drama-filled straight men as "queens." Not to mention that Joe said there's too much drama BECAUSE there are too many queens around! As in, gay men are ridiculous and dramatic. And oh, how lovely you used all the gay guys as examples yourself. Way to add to your point that he wasn't targeting "the gays."
Oh, and also, for the Midwestern housewives who don't know any better because they only know about gay people from Bravo and TV, "queen" does not necessarily mean dramatic. I know many effeminate, gay "queens" who don't like confrontation and certainly don't just start shit for "drama."
lets give joe a break. i am sure he didnt mean anything bad by it. seems like such a nice guy.
anonymous @ 10:31 said:
"YES.
Once again, he didn't say "drama queens." He said "too many queens." He didn't refer to one gay man annoying him, he referred to ALL the gay men in the group annoying him."
My original point stands. To you, queen=all gay men. To me, queen=an annoying way some gay (and straight) men behave. You see "queen" as a different word from "drama queen." I see it as simply shorthand for "drama queen." We're not going to agree on this.
Anonymous @ 10:26 even quotes when TLo generically call some of the guys on Sheer Genius queens? Are you offended by that, or are you gonna rationalize that away in some whacko way, too?
"there's too much drama because there are too many queens around."
How much more is there to be understood?
Bailey said:
"And oh, how lovely you used all the gay guys as examples yourself. Way to add to your point that he wasn't targeting "the gays."
Huh? But I DIDN'T use all the gay guys as examples. There's Daniel, right? He's been relatively drama-free, and I didn't include him in that list.
"My original point stands. To you, queen=all gay men. To me, queen=an annoying way some gay (and straight) men behave. You see "queen" as a different word from "drama queen." I see it as simply shorthand for "drama queen." We're not going to agree on this."
What horseshit. When did "queen" become a way to refer to straight men? And considering the remark was made BY the ONLY straight man in the group, it's pretty obvious he was using it to describe all the NONstraight men in the group.
"Anonymous @ 10:26 even quotes when TLo generically call some of the guys on Sheer Genius queens? Are you offended by that, or are you gonna rationalize that away in some whacko way, too?"
"Whacko." Nice. "I'm never going to agree with you on this but I'm going to continue arguing with you and putting you down." Not exactly taking the high road, are you?
Did T Lo refer to ALL the gay men in the group as annoying queens? Did they say there were "too many" of them?
Okay, PC police death match! Who can be the most excruciatingly correct with remarks taken out of context!
Stubenville sighs, settles into a plush booth and orders a Caipirinha to nurse while observing the carnage.
"Huh? But I DIDN'T use all the gay guys as examples. There's Daniel, right? He's been relatively drama-free, and I didn't include him in that list."
WHich is ironic, because judging by that clip, Joe's outburst originated with some issue with Daniel.
Stubenville said...Okay, PC police death match!
Ha! I don't know what a Caipirinha is but I want one, too. Can I sit with you, please? Or do I hate myself too much to sit with someone popular and funny?
Look, I couldn't really care less about what Joe said, that didn't offend me. What offends me is how soon people are to make-up their own lame definitions for words on the spot to justify comments that, let's be honest, are ill-thought-out at best. No sooner does someone call someone else "queen" or some other slur than so many people come out with their own personal definitions of what it means to them. Yeah fucking right, "queens" are dramatic people, regardless of sexual orientation or gender. I'll send Queen Elizabeth the memo. For real people, get off it. The fact that you cling to some ridiculous argument rather than just "yah, so he said 'queens,' whats the big deal?" shows you have some issues, if only with stupidity.
Anonymous said...
Suade, Jerrell, Blayne, and to a certain extent Keith have all individually been drama queens, so should he have specifically insulted them individually instead of using a plural? Would that have made it less insulting to you?
How has Keith been a drama queen? Or Jerell, for that matter?
bailey, I rarely agree with your posts, but that last one was spot on.
As slurs go, this one was relatively mild and since I haven't seen the context, I'm willing to wait to pass judgment.
What's appalling is so many people also saying they're not going to pass judgment yet and then turning around and declaring it no big deal. That's passing judgement and the judgment is that it's okay to use slurs against gay men, even mild ones.
I know one thing for sure: If he'd made a comment about fat women, there'd be no explaining it away or "let's see it in context." There'd be a BLOODBATH in the comments.
"Bill said...
Or do I hate myself too much to sit with someone popular and funny?"
Of course not, Bill. It's BECAUSE you think you're devalued that you want to sit with the popular kids, where you can make fun of queens.
Hope you get invited to some parties!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I guess it's perfectly okay for TLo and the commenters on PRG to straight-bash Joe non-stop because that's different somehow, right?
9:12 AM
The above comment is almost more offensive than Joe's remark. I mean, seriously? It must be nice to be so clueless.
Cmon, guys, is he WRONG? Suede and Blayne are working my last-gay nerve ...
Licious, this and licious that ...
Suedes third-person like Queen Victoria speak ...
Keith might be butch, but he does accessorize to the Nth degree and seems to whine a bit about his "visions" not being understood
(Must be his Mormon roots showing ...)
And Stella is a big ole Leather Cher-Drag Queen Wannabe if ever there was one ...
Can't fault the guy for speaking the truth ... since when has TLO been all PC ... if yall are politically correct than I am Princess Puffy Sleaves ....
Just Sayin-
Zak said...
I know one thing for sure: If he'd made a comment about fat women, there'd be no explaining it away or "let's see it in context." There'd be a BLOODBATH in the comments.
Well Zak, ME and MY FRIENDS call EVERYONE fat, regardless of their weight! "Fat" is a state of mind, not a matter of poundage! I will call anyone fat that I want! It's my God-given American right to be an asshole and not have anyone say anything about it!!!
Oyez, the silly drama.
The very fact that Joe is the only straight man on the show makes me feel somewhat sorry for him.
I say this as a gay man - Get over yourselves and start seeing oppression where oppression is. A lone straight man in a room full of queens calling them queens is not oppression. :P
Sigh...I long for the days when Wendy, Santino and Jeffery could cut people down without using offensive slurs.
Seriously folks, on the continuum between Elizabeth Hasselback and Kathy Griffin there's a happy medium out there. I'm pretty sure our Pasta Joe exists in it.
"GothamTomato said...
" MMurphena said...
How would you feel if he had said...
1- Too many pregnant women here.
2- Too many fat women here.
3- Too many women with kids here."
I'd say, 'it's about time someone called out those heifers'.
"
Not funny at all, Gotham Tomato. As a woman, you should know better.
Is the designer's challenge to design opening ceremonies uniforms for our Olympic team (ala the Post Office challenge)???? If so, they would have to design one for the gals and one for the guys. Hmmmm, a puzzlement, so far!
----StkrShock
Why? They designed ostensibly unisex uniforms for the Post Office, and, more applicably, the US Olympic Team's opening ceremony uniforms are unisex as well. Do we not remember the beret-sweatsuit combo from the Salt Lake City games?
10:11 AM
Uhhhh, actually not, Bailey. The Post Office challenge were all outfits designed for women.
However, I do think the sweatsuit/beret outfits for the SLC games were unisex, but for other Olympics, there were definitely uniforms designed masculine and feminine. It's kind of moot, though, because we really have no idea at this time what the challenge is!
----StkrShock
How telling that the ONLY offense here is someone making fat jokes about women. That's TOTALLY out of line, but a straight man slinging an anti-gay slur is not only fine, it's "understandable."
Bill said...
[snip]I don't know what a Caipirinha is but I want one, too. Can I sit with you, please? Or do I hate myself too much to sit with someone popular and funny?
Oh Bill, sit right down. I've been wanting to meet you for ages. Try a Caipirinha; a Brazilian buddy introduced them to me. They are made with cachaca (a cousin of rum) and lime; they're completely addictive on a hot day.
"N Hirsch said...
A lone straight man in a room full of queens calling them queens is not oppression."
Thanks for arguing a point that absolutely no one in this thread made. Kudos!
bailey - cut the Bullsh-t
"Well Zak, ME and MY FRIENDS call EVERYONE fat, regardless of their weight! "Fat" is a state of mind, not a matter of poundage! I will call anyone fat that I want! It's my God-given American right to be an asshole and not have anyone say anything about it!!!'
Well I AM fat and YOU have no right to bandy it about - ESPECIALLY when Gay's call each other Queens/f/q, etc and blacks call each other n-ggers and get APPALLED when someone who is NOT in "your group" uses the term.
As a straight, fat, white woman - I find the hypocrisy APPALLING
Let's just wait and see the context. Until then, can we just get back to talking about fashion (and men)???
To whit: I realize Apollo Ohno probably knows nothing whatsoever about fashion, but I will never tire of looking at his sexy face and his massively muscular thighs and ass. They could ask him to judge a nuclear physics contest and I'd watch.
God, I'm such a queen! Ooops!
--Scott in L.A.
Anonymous said...
Well I AM fat and YOU have no right to bandy it about - ESPECIALLY when Gay's call each other Queens/f/q, etc and blacks call each other n-ggers and get APPALLED when someone who is NOT in "your group" uses the term."
Yes, because no fat person has ever called another person fat.
Hmm. After reading all these posts I thought to myself, "there's too much drama [around here] because there are too many queens around".
Seriously, take a chill pill, or something. Why is everyone being so PC? I prefer my bitches to be bitches, not sensitive (drama) queens.
That's funny. I thought there was too much drama around here because there are so many fat people around.
Lordy be. For the record, Caiphirina is the yummiest. And knocks me flat.
Chances are, Joe said a douchy thing, but didn't mean evil. He was likely reacting to high drama in the workroom. Whatever. You're on TV, though, dude, watch your mouth.
If, say, many many garments were going down the runway that had an empire waist AND about half the designers were pregnant, one might be justified in saying "the designs look like this b/c there are too many pregnant women."
If, say, garments tended toward the shapeless, but very low cut, and half the designers were fat (for real fat, not size 12 fat), one might say, "We're not getting much variety here b/c there are too many fat designers."
In both instances, the statement would be uncool and stupid to say on TV, but not worth a crucifying. Likewise, Joe. I'm sure some of his best friends are gay.
Hey, why don't we all just make ourselves a nice little cocktail and chill?
I don't know why exactly but I'm going to wade in here. First of all, I too want to see the actual context before passing judgment. I've always thought the term "queen" was short for "drama queen" which is not really specific to a group. I do realize that it more often than not refers to gay men but I don't see it as necessarily mean just descriptive. I really don't think that Joe could work in fashion and hate gays; he certainly wouldn't last long.
i'd be willing to bet $100 he was making an awkward play on the term 'drama queen.' i'm not sure how old his daughters are, but if they're older than 12 it's probably a term he hears alot in his house.
Anonymous said...
bailey - cut the Bullsh-t
"Well Zak, ME and MY FRIENDS call EVERYONE fat, regardless of their weight! "Fat" is a state of mind, not a matter of poundage! I will call anyone fat that I want! It's my God-given American right to be an asshole and not have anyone say anything about it!!!'
Well I AM fat and YOU have no right to bandy it about - ESPECIALLY when Gay's call each other Queens/f/q, etc and blacks call each other n-ggers and get APPALLED when someone who is NOT in "your group" uses the term.
As a straight, fat, white woman - I find the hypocrisy APPALLING
Whoa honey. Look up the word 'facetious.' Yes, of course it's a dumb argument - and it's precisely the same one everyone else was using to justify using the word 'queen.' lol...I'm done with this, this is too ridiculous even for me.
Dear Anonymous?
Yeah, that's pretty much exactly the argument. Some of the ones who have decided not to reserve judgement until the show airs seem to be having a panic attack about the potentially horrible oppression of hearing a straight man referring to a bunch of drama queens as, well, queens.
Oooo! I totally want Terri to kick Keith's ass! I am not liking that guy, seriously.
And Joe messing with Daniel? Oh no you didn't!
Well, at least it's getting interesting . . .
"Nick H said...
Dear Anonymous?
Yeah, that's pretty much exactly the argument. Some of the ones who have decided not to reserve judgement until the show airs seem to be having a panic attack about the potentially horrible oppression of hearing a straight man referring to a bunch of drama queens as, well, queens."
No, that's not the argument. Not "pretty much" or even "exactly." Not one person on this thread has tried to claim that this is some sort of "oppression" against anyone.
It sure makes it easier to shoot down the argument by making it up out of wholecloth, though.
Uhhhh, actually not, Bailey. The Post Office challenge were all outfits designed for women.
However, I do think the sweatsuit/beret outfits for the SLC games were unisex, but for other Olympics, there were definitely uniforms designed masculine and feminine. It's kind of moot, though, because we really have no idea at this time what the challenge is!
----StkrShock
It is moot, especially since it's not like they'd be the REAL opening ceremony uniforms anyway...but the Postal Service outifts were basically unisex, since A, postal employees all wear regulation clothing (meaning they can put together their outfits themselves but it's not like they have USPS shirt-dresses for people to choose from) and B, even male and female models were used for the challenge! (Yes, Austin was just filling in, but his outfit was pants and a top, and not particularly feminine either. He looked fine in it.)
Also, in the past, our opening ceremony outfits may have been different but it hasn't really happened recently - that shit would never fly here in the US nowadays, so it's pretty much a 'rule' now. This year they're unisex again. The only difference is the women's outfits are cut more femininely.
I do wish they WERE different tho. I'd love to see what neon Red-White-and -Blue minidress disaster Blayne would throw down that runway!
Anonymous @ 10:29:
"Once again, for the slow:
'Boy, Wendy Pepper acted like such a bitch!'
vs.
'There's too many bitches in the workroom.'"
Apparantly, I'm VERRRRRY slow, because I'm still not really seeing the difference. So by your logic, if Joe had said: "Wow this sucks, because [insert name here] is such a queen," you would have been ok with it?
I don't know whether Joe is anti-gay or he was referring to "queens" as a stereotype that could apply to men and women of any orientation. I don't think it was a good turn of phrase in any case.
But what I really don't get is what sort of context would change its interpretation.
For the perfect Caipirinha recipe, check out the lovely Alberta Straub:
http://www.onnetworks.com/videos/cocktails-on-the-fly/caipirhina
Now, don't you feel more mellow?
"Bill said...
Stubenville said...Okay, PC police death match!
Ha! I don't know what a Caipirinha is but I want one, too. Can I sit with you, please?"
Hey, can I sit with you guys too? It seems that the nitwit housewives have taken over the comments today. Must have something to do with The View being a rerun today.
--GothamTomato
P said...
Apparantly, I'm VERRRRRY slow, because I'm still not really seeing the difference. So by your logic, if Joe had said: "Wow this sucks, because [insert name here] is such a queen," you would have been ok with it?
Yeah, pretty much. There's a difference between bitching about one person and using a slur to tar an entire group of people.
anonymous said:
"Yeah, pretty much. There's a difference between bitching about one person and using a slur to tar an entire group of people."
So, by your logic, using a slur is ok as long as it's just against one person? That's assinine!
It appears that the following six are in the top/bottom for this week: Daniel, Jennifer, Jerell, Joe, Korto, and Terri. I hope it's Daniel, Korto and Terri in the top three, and Jennifer, Jerelll, and Joe in the bottom, but you never know.
I think I was more appalled by the part of the clip where I thought I saw Joe using a hairdryer!! A hairdryer? I haven't seen a straight guy use a hairdryer since the 80s.
OY! Please, let us go back to the regularly-scheduled bitchery that we love and forget about offending someone regarding race, ethnicity, gender orientation, religion, sexual preference, blah, blah, blah.....we're supposed to be having fun in here, people!
Can't we all just get along?
Anonymous @ 10:29:
"Once again, for the slow:
'Boy, Wendy Pepper acted like such a bitch!'
vs.
'There's too many bitches in the workroom.'"
Apparantly, I'm VERRRRRY slow, because I'm still not really seeing the difference. So by your logic, if Joe had said: "Wow this sucks, because [insert name here] is such a queen," you would have been ok with it?
Truth is I couldn't care less either way. "Boy, Wendy Pepper acted like such a bitch." High five. "There's too many bitches in the workroom." High five. Now let's go have a cocktail with the other bitches.
"So, by your logic, using a slur is ok as long as it's just against one person? That's assinine!"
Calling one person a queen based on their behavior isn't the same thing as calling all gay people queens.
Calling Wendy Pepper a bitch? Fine. Declaring that all women are bitches? Not fine. It's not complicated.
You're right about one thing, though. You ARE slow.
Hey Stubenville, better make it a whole pitcher of Caipirinhas. Gotham Tomato is joining us and I'm sure there will be other refugees. Much more of this and I might just need a Caipirinha IV hookup.
Thanks for the recipe sixgables.
Good God! GT, Bill, and Stubenville, can I join you too? I'm a housewive, but not a nitwit. And I sure could use a cocktail...
"Stubenville said...
Okay, PC police death match! Who can be the most excruciatingly correct with remarks taken out of context!
Stubenville sighs, settles into a plush booth and orders a Caipirinha to nurse while observing the carnage."
Stubenville? Can I just sit next to you until this is over? I have a big bowl of popcorn & wasabi peas!
Uh... My internet is too slow to watch the clip...I was going to ask what happened..but I guess I can just wait until Wed....
I am a self hating nitwit. Where ever imaginary drinks are being served, I will be there.
Well, Joe's making himself visible now, isn't he? Giving us exactly what we asked for. Can't wait to see from whence that comment arose.
As for representing the bikers, Chergelica DeFazio? Really? I didn't know they were begging for more attention. I thought SweetP already did that in a kinder, gentler way last season.
Fine! I give, I give! I guess I'm slow. I won't lose any sleep over you thinking that.
I'm just going to go have a Caipirinha with the others and kill some of the few brain cells I clearly have left. ;)
Ok, when did I leave the Project Rungay site and enter Wonderland???
You take the one Italian man in the group, call him "Pasta", and then you beat him up for using the word "Queen"???
That's like Obama complaining that the Michigan and Florida delegates won't be fully seated at the Democratic Convention. Oops! Spoke too soon.
At some point I'm going to have to stop giving Keith passes because I LOVE HIM, but....
I really don't get the "Keith is an asshole" drum and strang. Haven't you all seen the clips where he feeds the fainting model and makes up Daniel's bed. C'mon!
Walking in front of someone's piture isn't being an asshole - its slightly discourteous at best, and thats only if you knew the person was taking a photo at that very moment. Neither is using the same material as another designer -especially if the challenge called for a certain type of fabric (for example, spandex.)
And I know something about manners! I was a debutante and a beuaty queen, for Christ's sake.
"Anonymous said...
You take the one Italian man in the group, call him "Pasta", and then you beat him up for using the word "Queen"???"
This has got to be one of the dumber responses in a long line of them. "Pasta" isn't a slur. And they called him "Pasta Joe" because HE USED PASTA IN HIS DESIGN.
Jesus.
Lordy, lord, talk about drama queens!
That had better be a large pitcher of capirinhas, because one will definitely not suffice.
~fans self, with pearls firmly clutched~
"Anonymous said...
Ok, when did I leave the Project Rungay site and enter Wonderland???
You take the one Italian man in the group, call him "Pasta", and then you beat him up for using the word "Queen"???"
"Beat him up?" What the hell are you talking about?
At the risk of sounding like Naugahyde, Stubenville wishes for a larger booth.
Waiter, another round of Caipirinhas STAT!
I have never ever left a comment on this blog, although I read it more than I read my local paper.
Stop the advance Joe hating.
TLo has already made many comments about Joe's sexuality, in the same vein before now. Like "We get it Joe, you're straight!" when Joe mentions his daughter. Implying that Joe, simply mentioning his kid, is homophobic. Sort of saying "Joe keeps mention his kid, so we won't think for a minute that he's gay." Which I don't think Joe was trying to make a point of being straight. And everyone let that slide right?
I don't recall anyone saying, "We get it Wendy Pepper, you're straight!" when she mentioned her daughter...
Please don't make this show or this awesome blog about this issue. Or if you do, at least wait until something actually awful happens.
...but I apparently can't spell. Posting from your blackberry during a meeting = nearly illegible post. Sorry guys!
Darlings, we're really trying to stay out of this one, but this, we have to address:
TLo has already made many comments about Joe's sexuality, in the same vein before now. Like "We get it Joe, you're straight!" when Joe mentions his daughter. Implying that Joe, simply mentioning his kid, is homophobic. Sort of saying "Joe keeps mention his kid, so we won't think for a minute that he's gay." Which I don't think Joe was trying to make a point of being straight. And everyone let that slide right?
Not only have we never written what you've claimed, but we never implied what you inferred. There was exactly one joke (not "many")made about Joe's sexuality:
"This is Joe. He has daughters. That means he's straight."
Which, yes, pokes fun at the idea that he might have felt the need to get that out there as soon as possible. We made exactly the same jokes about Kevin Christiana last season. At no point did we imply that he was homophobic.
Also, kittens, we love a good debate, but try and dial down the name-calling, mkay?
TLo, can we start the lounge early? I think many of us need a drink. Or some valium. Can't we all just get along (as tears roll and music swells in the background)?
"Anonymous said...
I have never ever left a comment on this blog, although I read it more than I read my local paper.
Stop the advance Joe hating.
TLo has already made many comments about Joe's sexuality, in the same vein before now. Like "We get it Joe, you're straight!" when Joe mentions his daughter. Implying that Joe, simply mentioning his kid, is homophobic. Sort of saying "Joe keeps mention his kid, so we won't think for a minute that he's gay." Which I don't think Joe was trying to make a point of being straight. And everyone let that slide right? "
What?????
They were making fun of the producers for editing him as the "straight guy." Sometimes I wonder how you people ended up here. I'm outta here.
Dear God...they re-edited that promo from when it aired originally...Blayne (heretofore known as Gloria Swanson to me) made me want to slap him after his response to Tim's Sgt. Pepper reference...hope they don't cut it from the show.
I feel kind of bad for Joe. He said a stupid thing, but I want you all to imagine, if you will, a land where you have to tolerate Blayne and Suede 24/7.
This comment section is precisely why eyewitness testimony is scrutinized in courts. We all saw what we wanted to see in that clip.
I really don't think PR would air a homophobic comment because they enjoy getting those GLAAD media awards. (Watch what happens, remember?)
TLo gets it. Let's skewer him after we've seen the comment in context.
I really doubt Joe is homophobic... he was probably irritated or amused by all the drama in the work room and was just a ribbing against people he likes.
We'll have to see it in context, but it's most likely much ado about nothing.
Uh, as much as I hate to change the subject, I have another possible theme song for Stella. Tori Amos' "Leather" is so appropriate. Picture Stella's New Yawk accent nasally singing the following:
Oh, God, could it be the weathah?
Oh, God, why am I here?
If love isn't forevah
And it's not the weathah
HAND ME MY LEATHAH!
OK, total change of subject (and about time, too); I love Heidi's dress on the judging runway clip. Any idea whose it is?
Also,
"Anonymous 12:00 PM said...
That's funny. I thought there was too much drama around here because there are so many fat people around."
I think I love you, Anonymous 12:00
bill said...
"Hey Stubenville, better make it a whole pitcher of Caipirinhas. Gotham Tomato is joining us and I'm sure there will be other refugees. Much more of this and I might just need a Caipirinha IV hookup."
Save a place for me at the table, would you please, Bill? I'll bring my Costco sized bottle of Xanax to give out to those who need a chaser. Sheesh!
Do you know what would be funny? If that clip never airs during the show on Wednesday. They have done that before! Talk about much ado over nothing....
"p said...
Do you know what would be funny? If that clip never airs during the show on Wednesday. They have done that before! Talk about much ado over nothing...."
Hahahahaha. True.
When T&L branded Stella "Cheroin," you all laughed. Now Joe merely used the word "queens" and you are all up in arms. Hypocritical much?
Anonymous said...
"I feel kind of bad for Joe. He said a stupid thing, but I want you all to imagine, if you will, a land where you have to tolerate Blayne and Suede 24/7."
EXACTLY. After FIVE minutes of watching Suede, even I am screaming at the TV "SHUT THE F*** UP YOU GODD*** HOMO QUEEN FROM HOMOVILLE!!!"
And I'm a guy who takes it up the a**.
"Anonymous said...
When T&L branded Stella "Cheroin," you all laughed. Now Joe merely used the word "queens" and you are all up in arms. Hypocritical much?"
Reading comprehension much?
Since when the homosexuals own the word 'queen?' It can be applied to gay, straight, man or woman. So the argument saying that Joe wouldn't have used the word "women" or "black" instead is just a straw man.
And let's not kid ourselves and deny that the gay community quite possibly abuses the word much more often than others. If we can dish it out so freely, it'd be intellectually dishonest to prohibit other groups from using the word.
" Anonymous said...
Since when the homosexuals own the word 'queen?' It can be applied to gay, straight, man or woman. So the argument saying that Joe wouldn't have used the word "women" or "black" instead is just a straw man.
And let's not kid ourselves and deny that the gay community quite possibly abuses the word much more often than others. If we can dish it out so freely, it'd be intellectually dishonest to prohibit other groups from using the word."
Do you call a straight man a queen?
A little perspective, folks.
Anonymous said...
Since when the homosexuals own the word 'queen?' It can be applied to gay, straight, man or woman. So the argument saying that Joe wouldn't have used the word "women" or "black" instead is just a straw man.
Oh please. Since when are straight men referred to derogatively as queens?
And this ignores the fact that he was applying it solely to the gay men in the group.
And let's not kid ourselves and deny that the gay community quite possibly abuses the word much more often than others. If we can dish it out so freely, it'd be intellectually dishonest to prohibit other groups from using the word.
By that reasoning, we're all free to use the word "n*gger" any time we want.
Good Lord. I think we all need to pack up & go the The Republic Of Cocktail Hour and drink ourselves sociable.
"thats only if you knew the person was taking a photo at that very moment" -- and since we saw that Cheroin[e] couldn't figure out to even USE her camera, who knew she was even taking a picture? she was probably standing frozen for a few minutes waiting for the polaroid to pop out, before Keith even crossed in front....
I've been out on the veranda for a while now, drinking cocktails. I can't even follow the argument anymore.
But y'all sound like a bunch of bickering ninnies.
Oh! I want to live in the Republic of Cocktail land!
Why has noone addressed the BIG question of the episode:
WHAT THE HELL IS JARRELL WEARING OF HIS HEAD????
"At the risk of sounding like Naugahyde, Stubenville wishes for a larger booth.
Waiter, another round of Caipirinhas STAT!"
Now I'm laughing so hard I'm crying. Is there room in your booth for one more housewife (non-nitwit variety)?
OK, admittedly I'm from a flyover state where perhaps people don't know the proper use of the word queen, but practically everyone I associate with, whether gay or straight or somewhere in the middle, uses it as shorthand for drama queen when referring to anyone who is melodramatic. My mother even called my dad and my brother queens when they were being overly dramatic, and they are both straight. To my knowledge she never called me that, and I'm the gay one. Go figure.
So yeah, sometimes folks do use it to refer to straight men.
Ok, don't make me turn the hose on all the cat fighting here. I'm an actress and usually love drama (Lord knows how many times I've been called a drama queen, or a princess), but I grow weary of this.
"a said... Why has noone addressed the BIG question of the episode: WHAT THE HELL IS JARRELL WEARING OF HIS HEAD????"
My thoughts exactly!!!! Guessing it is a Peter Pan cap.
And I too am tiring of the endless tirade regarding the proper use, if any, of the term 'queen'.
Harleyd said, Blayne . . . made me want to slap him after his response to Tim's Sgt. Pepper reference.
Poor Tim. When he buried his face in his hands, I knew exactly what he was thinking, and empathized. I work with folks way younger than I, and I've thought it, too: "When did I get old? When did my life become history?!?!"
Will those who don't want to partake in the discussion regarding the word queen kindly stop telling the rest of us not to talk about it?
I'm starting to detest Keith's killer determination, it turns him into a jerk!
Tlo, you and your minions are dramatic queens too!
No reason to hate on Joe. He is probably right about there being too many dramatic queens.
" Shauna said...
Tlo, you and your minions are dramatic queens too!
No reason to hate on Joe. He is probably right about there being too many dramatic queens."
I love how you defend him insulting all of us. Way to go, Shauna!
I can't wait to see what you all are going to say when Bravo airs the episode and we get to the bottom of this.
Regardless of context, Joe said that there was too much drama because there were too many queens around and unless they're designing an outfit for the Queen of England he was referring to the gays.
Translation for the ones who apparently cannot comprehend his statement:
Too many queens (male homossexuals) in a room = drama
my point was...relax!!!
said with love, didn't mean to be offensive.
I'm late posting this because I didn't read this blog entry right away. I stopped reading the comments about halfway through. All I can say is, geezus, people. And if someone else has already made THIS comment, I apologize: "Lighten UP. It's just fashion."
this board has been "Emotional ROLLER COASTER," pheeoohhh!!! I forgot to take a breath...
Note to Bravo...craft a reality show spinoff starring Project Rungay regulars, corral them all in one room and have them 'discussed' a project runway 2 minute promo...
it'd be like jerry Springer but with bigger vocabulary, like, 'anathma.'
Anonymous 7:13 -- Hilarious!
Turn this post into a Seinfeld series--
'What is the DEEAL with paahstah? Is it a noodle? or is it an ethnic sluuhr?'
'Do you ever stop and look around and ask yourself...Why are there Queens all over the place, is it me? am I a Queen? No, it can't be!.......
not that there's anything wrong with it.'
I'm laughing at myself for spending the last 2 hours reading a blog-fight about a 2 minute promo; for a fluffy show; containing a comment that might have been said for the very purpose of drumming up all this previously mentioned attention!
very funny.
i'm glaad you're all here.
tee hee.
"p said...
Do you know what would be funny? If that clip never airs during the show on Wednesday."
Do you know what would be even funnier? If all those 'anonymous' comments (above) were posted by a queen named Sybil.
--GothamTomato
Gotham, loved your last Sybil joke...
let's hope this day can end in such comedy.
Two things:
#1 Whether or not you think Pasta Joe committed an egregious PC-sin by calling some of his fellow competitors "queens", I think we can all agree that there are an awful lot of designers this season who are trying EXTREMELY hard to be "different" or "interesting" or "quirky". (One might even venture to say "dramatic".) I can certainly see how that would get on the nerves of a seemingly more laid-back guy like Joe, and led him to make a (possibly ill-phrased but probably not maliciously intended) remark when prompted to discuss the other designers.
#2 Although I think Apolo Ohno is absolutely delicious looking (despite the occasionally skeezy hairstyle), why on earth was he chosen as a guest judge? Does he have any real knowledge of or connections to fashion? Or was he just chosen because he's young and well-known and connected to the Olympics? Wouldn't a SUMMER Olympian have been a better choice if they wanted the tie-in?
Any room for a fat chick in the non-nitwit section? I have valium and vicodin and am willing to share.
Woah.
Is everybody on the rag today?
-- desertwind
"Woah.
Is everybody on the rag today?
-- desertwind"
ROFLMAO. Thank you. I needed this.
Wow, I just came late to this one. Pour a drink for me, as well. Can't we just bitch about shit and be friends?
Such as Apollo Ono. Sure, he's hot, but what kind of assy judge is he going to make? I though Miss Bernhardt was bad enough.
Damn, I thought I was reading ugly discussions on another blog I follow! Any room at the booth, couch, under the drinking table for a bitchy, busty, size 8/10? Two years of following Tom & Lorenzo and I have never seen it this bad.
Remember that old quote, "lighten up its just fashion"? Let's bitch when there is context to bitch about. Mean time, I'll buy a round, ok?
Damn, I thought I was reading ugly discussions on another blog I follow! Any room at the booth, couch, under the drinking table for a bitchy, busty, size 8/10? Two years of following Tom & Lorenzo and I have never seen it this bad.
Remember that old quote, "lighten up its just fashion"? Let's bitch when there is context to bitch about. Mean time, I'll buy a round, ok?
I REALLY doubt they are designing the clothes for the games Opening Ceremony. I believe Ralph Lauren has that lil task in the bag.
Dan~
As soon as I heard Joe say that on the commercial, I was like, "Well, the Queens are probably going to kick his ass when they hear that!"
And I will sit here, cheering them on.
Anonymous said...
And this ignores the fact that he was applying it solely to the gay men in the group.
Really? How do you know?
alex! said...
Don't you know that making jokes about straight, white males age 18-60 is just the same as making jokes about minority groups that have had to struggle for acceptance?!?!
We're oppressed!!!!
If only we had representation in our state and federal governments!
oh, alex! i think i love you.
Anonymous said...
Really? How do you know?
Gosh, I don't know.
Call it a hunch.
Has anyone considered the fact that the phrase "There are too many queens around" is not the same as "Everyone here is a queen"? Because I see an awful lot of posts where people seem to think they mean the same thing.
Or, put in a more neutral context:
"I don't like this stew, it's got too many peppers."
"This is stewed peppers."
Not the same. Seriously.
~IB
Anonymous said...
"Call it a hunch."
I think I'll call it a kneejerk-reaction.
I think Stella's look is something Cher might have worn when she was younger --or who knows, maybe even now.
But the studs embellishments does get to be predictable and overdone. Case in point: Stella's jackets and shirts which are riddled with them.
Maybe he called them queens because they were acting like bitchy queens ;o)
Wow, I guess context really is everything. After having watched the episode now, Joe's comment is not offensive because it's homophobic. It's offensive because it's utterly self-deluded.
HE was clearly the biggest queen this week. "Wahhhh! Someone rethreaded by sewing machine! Pay attention to which is my favorite sewing machine! Waahhhh!"
If it's yours, put a f*&*ing note on it, bitch.
"This is Joe. He has daughters. That means he's straight.
No it doesn't. He could be gay and have kids. Plenty of gay couples raising kids nowadays. And I hasten to say that mentioning your kids (whether gay or straight) is normal for any parent.
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