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It was great to see a slightly different side of Jeffrey last week. "Bad boy" is such a tiresome image, but "punk rock daddy" works just fine.
Plus, we got a chance to see Tim's yenta face. "What a shayna punim!"
Melanie seems like a real sweetheart and we like her Harrison Detroit tat more than Jeffrey's. And so convenient! You can nurse AND teach them to read at the same time!
Nothing says "punk rock" like a Chuck E. Cheese portrait.
No matter what else happens tomorrow, Jeffrey will always be the guy who made Tim drink out of a "Slut" mug. Gotta love him for that.
Oh Tim, you clever boy. You thought you could hide it from us.
Harrison is adorable...
...and he's the spitting image of baby Jeffy.
Seriously, it really was nice to see Jeffrey's tender side. Granted, like all the designers' stories this week, it had a manipulative feel to it, but he's obviously a proud papa and he's clearly doing this for his family. Besides, these "personal history" edits may be manipulative, but no more so than locking someone in a room and telling them to make a gown in 12 hours.
The editors and producers have done their job well. We're in the impossible position of wanting all four of them to win for different reasons. No, really.
At the risk of turning our comments section into yet another "No he didn't!/Yes he did!" festival, we'd like to point your attention to something Nick Verreos said in his recap:
"I was more moved by Jeffrey's incredibly professional workspace and that every garment was hanging in their plastic bags, just as if he had received them back from the sewing contractor the night before. I made a mental note. "
We report, you decide!
169 comments:
Jeffrey may be many things - punk with a bad attitude, recovering alcoholic, loving dad, mean-spirited competitor, talented designer...but after seeing this week's episode, hearing his story, and observing his love fot that little boy, I have a hard time believing that he would "cheat" and destroy his chances of winning. He's many things, but I don't think he's stupid. He was not my favorite throughout the season, but his final collection is beautiful, and I think he has, and deserves, as good a shot at winning as any of the other three. I'm completely torn at this moment as to who I'd prefer to see win. GOod luck to all of them.
I'll admit to being totally manipulated. Jeff was never one of my favorites this season, but seeing him at home with that adorable little boy made him much more palatable for me.
No one accused him of not designing the outfits. I don't doubt it -- he has shown a great range -- albeit not a range I like.
No designer has ever been so prepared for OFW. Not even a button or hem to sew? They all worked hard to the finish line, no doubt. Jeffrey on the other hand being so prepared and SO calm -- something smells very fishy.
Enough with the canonization of Jeffrey. He is a reformed alcoholic/drug addict who obviously still has a lot of 12 step work to do.
Having said that, it will be impossible to prove if he had help. What employee or illegal alien subcontractor would dare rat him out? We will never really know.
So, if he wins, he wins.
Don't you think he packaged his garments in the same plastic bags that he uses for Cosa Nostra garments?
I think all four designers' work should have been investigated with the same level of scrutiny as Jeffrey's work, since the allegation is based only on Laura's hunch.
Dora
The "Slut" mug is priceless!
I wonder if the "Slut" mug came w/ other "Slut" mugs, or if there were mugs w/ other names to choose from. If the second option is true, I wonder what mugs Jeff and Melanie drink from, lol.
"Melanie seems like a real sweetheart and we like her Harrison Detroit tat more than Jeffrey's. And so convenient! You can nurse AND teach them to read at the same time!"
ROFL. Hilarious, guys. Go, Jeffrey!
OMG. The slut mug. LOL. Fabulous!!!
"I wonder what mugs Jeff and Melanie drink from, lol."
My guess would be "Jackass" and "WTF?!".
I think Nick is just being ... Nick. Nobody knows better than he does that Jeffrey already runs a successful business, and probably has to send *all* his finished clothing out in bags just like that.
I'm sick of the whole "did he or didn't he" thing.
Kate, I agree with you totally, and not just because I love that picture of you. It cheers me up every time I see it, the flowers are so pretty and you look so happy.
Anne
"Besides, these "personal history" edits may be manipulative, but no moreso than locking someone in a room and telling them to make a gown in 12 hours."
That's why I love you boys more than any other blog. GREAT post.
Did anyone notice how exhausted Jeffrey looked when he got to NY? Like he had been up sewing for days and days.....and Tim DID tell him how Daniel V. had SO much to do last year right before the show and he had better cross every T and dot every I.
I'm with you T & L. Each designer fully deserved to be there and I can be happy about any of them winning for different reasons.
I say next season they have the PRGay Boys design a challenge...
I say next season they have the PRGay Boys design a challenge...
I will be really disappointed if Jeffrey wins. And not just because he gives every indication of being a truly nasty, cruel, misogynistic, miserable person. I wasn't for one second swayed by the manipulative editing. I'd like to think that what goes around comes around - karma, and all that.
No, the real reason I hope he loses is that he doesn't deserve to be in the final four at all. He made a couple of good things - the plaid couture dress, while not terribly original and demonstrating little or no couture details - looked pretty great in the Macy's window, so I'm okay with that win. I didn't love his recycled dress and think the trompe l'oeile was poorly done but it was clever, so he gets points for that. His jetsetter outfit was a joke. Not worthy of an aufing, but certainly not worthy of a win, either. A bedazzled codpiece and bedazzled mall tee shirt? Please. He certainly should have been given the boot for that travesty he made for Darlene as well as for his hooker costume. Cocktail dress? LMAO. His Madonna icon dress was ugly, unoriginal and the fit was horrible. That was surely a candidate for aufing. I don't remember what he did in the other challenges and I don't care enough to look it up but he did say he was in the bottom two on the very first challenge. If they were set on having four contenders (and why not? The decoy always seemed like a stupid idea to me) I would much rather have seen what Kayne or Robert or even Angela could have produced.
Ugly clothes, ugly person. I'll be so glad when he fades back into the obscurity he so richly deserves.
Gotta love that Uncle Nick. I think he nailed it, as he always does.
What struck me, during that attempt at damage control for Bravo/Jeffrey, was Jeffrey saying that he wanted his little Harrison to respect him. Uh...he should have thought of THAT before he acted like such a bullying, obnoxious, cruel arse all season long. Will Harrison think it is OK to bully women, like daddy does? I guess so, as long as he rationalizes it by objectifying those women as 'feminazis'.
With Jeffrey's anger management issues, it seems like Harrison will view Jeffrey much the way Jeffrey views HIS dad. Jeffrey needs to realize that.
And I agree the life story was yet another attempt at manipulation; a narcissistic, feel sorry for me moment. You know, it's nice that he got himself off drugs and all, but to keep expecting props for doing what you're supposed to do, is naf.
How about, instead, props for all those upstanding abuse survivors who dealt the hand they were given, and just go about their lives, without becoming abusers themselves (or continually asking for pity to excuse their adult behavior).
--Gotham Tomato
I too, am tired of the did he/didn't he manipulations. I agree with abby(?) I am not willing to bring my kid to CC no matter how much she begs! The Slut mug -OMG, don't get me started!
You know, it's nice that he got himself off drugs and all, but to keep expecting props for doing what you're supposed to do, is naf.
How about, instead, props for all those upstanding abuse survivors who dealt the hand they were given, and just go about their lives, without becoming abusers themselves (or continually asking for pity to excuse their adult behavior).
--Gotham Tomato
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AMEN!
After lurking all season, I have two things to add that I haven't seen mentioned before. First, I can't help but wonder what Jeffrey and Melanie will do if they have a second child? The most choice/visible areas of their bodies have already been tattood with #1's name. Talk about feeling like a second fiddle. Second, re: the possible cheating, it's my opinion that if Tim had liked all of Laura's pieces when he visited her, then she would have arrived with all of hers completely done too. I think she and Jeffrey worked just as hard, but Tim didn't seem to have major problems with Jeffrey's collection. Just my 2 cents.
Rachel
"Lisette said...
I am not willing to bring my kid to CC no matter how much she begs!"
That's so funny, Lisette. Great post as always, bitches. I agree, it really was nice to see Jeffrey's tender side.
Tim Gunn drinking out of a mug that says "Slut" on it...PRICELESS.
I guess he can't be *all* bad, having taken Harrison to Chuck E. Cheese and all that. I had my son's third birthday party there, he's 18 now and just thinking about that place still sends shivers down my spine. In fact, I cross myself whenever I drive by and say a little prayer for the adults within.
"Gigi said...
I guess he can't be *all* bad, having taken Harrison to Chuck E. Cheese and all that. I had my son's third birthday party there, he's 18 now and just thinking about that place still sends shivers down my spine. In fact, I cross myself whenever I drive by and say a little prayer for the adults within."
ROFL. You are a fabulous mom, Gigi!
Why all the vapors for having to make a plus-size dress for Darlene? From the looks of his significant other it looks like Jeff should be pretty familiar with a plus-size woman's body.
What??!! Jeffrey's clothes are suspect because he put them in plastic bags??!!
Oh, PLEASE. Are we going to have trial by allegation now? (Paging Uli! Paging Uli! We need your East Germany experience in framing innocent people!)
On the subject of Jeffrey's "suspiciously" finished clothes:
Why is it so reasonable to expect the designers to have everything finished in two months and a day...
...but SO UNBELIEVABLE to think they could have everything finished in two months and 0 days???
No likey Jeffrey clothes. And I looked like him in 1984. When I was in middle school...
"Just the fact that he'd walk into a Chuck E. Cheese for the sake of his son's happiness says a lot!"
What does it say - that he cares about his kids exactly as much as the millions of parents who put up with Chuck E. Cheese every weekend? Big deal.
Seriously - what is the deal with people canonizing Jeffrey for doing normal stuff?
Thats not fair! If I was on PR I would have my garments in bags too so they won't get dirty.
TEAM MICHAEL!!!
All I have to say is that it no longer matters whether Jeffrey cheated or not. By simply planting that seed, Laura ruined Jeffrey's chances of winning. There's NO WAY Bravo TV will let him win with that question looming. . . .
I don't blame Laura, though. I really think that she did the right thing, if she really felt the work wasn't his. The other designers seemed to agree with her, which just makes me feel better about the whole deal.
Even though I'm in the group that has no love for Jeffrey due to his nasty behavior throughout the season (I'm glad to hear he's a good daddy), I have no problem with him winning... if the judges feel that he has the best collection.
That's because I'm longing for the show to be about fashion. Period.
Okay, I understand loving your kid, but I hate the tattoos. What happens when they have more kids? Will they run out of skin? Yikes!
Rachel's comment about where will they put the next kid's name when all the quality real estate has been claimed by Harrison gave me a horrific vision. If Laura tried this form of kid worship she would be the tattooed lady.
I guess Jeffery can swap neck for chest for the next kid. It is alway the third one that gets left out.
Dude could barely make a zipper on his clothes on the show and now he's putting zippers on in masterfully whimsical accents on his dresses? I'm not buying it.
Karma is indeed a bitch. If he hadn't been such a douche, it's possible nothing would have even come up.
At least now we know why the Peanut is so Angry. Daddy left? How very Freudian.
And his kid really does look like him. Let's just hope he doesn't pass on his nasty personality too.
So much hate and anger in these posts. Really sad.
Worst of all are those who will demonize Jeffrey regardless, without proof of any kind:
"Having said that, it will be impossible to prove if he had help. What employee or illegal alien subcontractor would dare rat him out? We will never really know."
Illegal aliens sewing his clothes. WTF???
Maybe he had gnomes. Magic pixies with faerie dust.
"we will never really know," but we will forever accuse him. They will say his receipts are all in order, but we will STILL know he cheated.
Hate is so ugly, people.
You know, I'm getting a little sick of people acting like Melanie is such a moose. I saw on another thread that he should be used to dressing "plus-sized" women because his girlfriend has her own zip code - WTF?!
Anne
I know, right? Hate Jeffrey, hate his wife, hate his clothes, hate his kid ....
It's disgusting
Ironic that they hate him for having such a bad attitude. LOL!
-- Ginger Snap
Yes, we agree. Hate is disgusting. Which is why we had to edit out literally dozens of posts calling Laura an old cunt, calling her husband and kids ugly and speculating whether or not he's her sugar daddy - all from the Jeffrey fans yesterday.
Enough is enough. We will continue to delete those comments, including any about Jeffrey that we feel are over the line.
Like it or not, Jeffrey fans, a cheating allegation was made. That means the fans of the show are going to want to discuss it. Say you disagree, say you think Jeffrey's a great guy, say that you think Laura is a jealous bitch - we support your right to say all of it. What we do not support is anyone's assumption that they have the "right" to say anything they want to anyone they want about anything they want. Not here.
This goes to everyone, no matter who you're a fan of, you are all allowed to criticize and complain about the show or the designers, so long as those criticisms are not over-the-top hatred. You are NOT allowed to rip into your fellow commenters for having an opinion different from your own.
Carry on!
How stupid would it be to get the clothes in plastic bags, display them to Tim, then bring them still encased in plastic to NYC?
Not sure how Jeffrey could be that dim.....
Also, was he ever in time trouble during the "regular season"? I don't recall it. I imagine that with a demanding H'wood/Rock clientele he is used to being done on schedule or else. And he was expecting there to be a last minute challenge like last season. I bet this is a manufactured kerfuffle (a word Tim might use).
TEAM ULI!!
"You know, it's nice that he got himself off drugs and all, but to keep expecting props for doing what you're supposed to do, is naf."
What's "naf"?
Jeffrey deserves MAD props for surviving an abusive father, abandonment, drugs, coming back from the brink and making a success for himself. I never ONCE during the season heard him talk about his troubled past. Not once. Where the hell do you get: "continually asking for pity to excuse their adult behavior"
Sorry, that's just plain projection and bullshit. He discussed his past when the producers asked him to. During this episode. (His MOM brought it up during the mom challenge - and that was the FIRST we heard about it.)
Considering he's only been sober 6 years, he's made INCREDIBLE progress. From homelessness and attempted suicide to his own business.
And if you think life in recovery is easy, then you don't know. Somedays it's all you can do not to curl up in a ball and lash out at evryone and everything.
So he's not a saint. Give him a break.
Catherine Hepburn: "Sometimes you have to look hard at a person and realize he's doing the best he can."
I Love his wife and child. My heart went out to Jeffrey and his family. This guy took a miserable childhood and turned his life into gold. He's already a winner with a wife and a child who totally are
%100 there for him, she clearly cherishes Jeffrey. He doesn't need to win this contest, He's ALREADY A WINNER in my book with his family, that matters more than money,gold ribbons or titles. Hats off to you Jefrey.
Seeing Jeffrey's genuine affection for his son was a lovely departure. I wasn't sure there was room in his heart for anyone other than himself. I was wrong. Thank goodness. Harrison is an adorable child.
I'm a Laura fan all the way, but I think the PR producers did a nice job of putting all four designers in a good light for the home interviews - that was pleasant to see, all warm n fuzzy n stuff
Have to disagree with Nick V's self-contradictory comment of "... every garment was hanging in their plastic bags, just as if he had received them back from the sewing contractor the night before."
Simply because, ah-hem, Jeffery IS a sewing contractor. This is probably how he protects all the clothes he makes for his clients. I have a sewing room in my home, I know about the dust flying around from cutting fabrics, I don't want that on the other things I've made. Bagging in plastic is a good idea.
And if Melanie is fat, then I am a house! (I'm only a garage, tsk!) Nasty comment that was! She looks cute & wholesome - in a punk rawk grrl kind of way.
Yes Laura wondered about Jeffrey doing all his own work, and yes the other designers backed her up. But I bet if they had seen pics of his workplace and the professional tools available to him they might not have. Who knows. And that's something the producers might want to reconsider for following seasons to even that playing field.
Frankly I think one cheating scandal was enough for season three and I hope Jeffrey is cleared ... So Laura can whoop his butt fair & square! ;^D
"I'd like to think that what goes around comes around - karma, and all that."
"I'll be so glad when he fades back into the obscurity he so richly deserves."
you do realize that wishing ill will on someone is also negative karma? you're right though...what goes around, comes around.
i hope you also realize that you are vehemently disliking someone whom you have only seen on television and are obviously being swayed by crafty editing.
i agree there is just way too much hatred running around in here (amongst the commenters).
i really hope laura is proven wrong. i like all of the four finalists, though i think as far as the actual garments go, jeffrey created a much better collection. and yes, this show SHOULD be about the fashion.
JEFFREY can sew he's already proven that with Catherine Maladrino's ,STARS in the Coutoure challenge. Laura was just jealous. It's her own fault, she had her garments "almost done" on dress-forms when Tim visited, so if she didn't finish THAT's on her...she didn't NEED TO BRING JEFFREY INTO HER DRAMA ...about time and sewing. He came to SHOWROOM ready to RUMBLE for BRYANT PARK.....Laura's just jealous and what a tacky,sneeky thing for her to do..."use her mother's friendship with JEFFREY's MOM, to "throw him under the bus"....Laura was definately the little sh!t in this drama!
Guys, please forego the "Jeffrey used sweatshop labor" allegations. They're completely unwarranted and they're only going to lead to further nastiness.
For PR4, I'd like to see the final n designers each have a sewing contractor (or whatever they're called) assigned to them for a certain number of hours. I think that making the designers sew during the preliminary challenges is both fun and sensible, but if you're going to see who's going to be the next great American designer, it would be useful to have them focus on both design and on getting their samples made through the normal industry process.
I say that with no opinion either way about what Jeffrey did or didn't do. It just seems that the ultimate winner should be based more on design and management ability than on how good of a seamster/seamstress he or she is.
People keep saying how nice NICK V. was.....from last season..NICK WAS ALWAYS JEALOUS of SANTINO, and NICK was always saying bitchy things about the other designers, he ALWAYS came off as way too envious of the others....so here he put's down yet ANOTHER L.A. Desinger, I think he's jealous that JEFFREY this LA Designer could actually win. NICK's clothing was usually very lacking, remember that man's suit and those ugly-assz Paris Hilton fishtails on almost EVERY dress. JEFFREY'S the real deal and IF he wins, NICK will be pushed to sidelines as LA TV ENTERTAINMENT Programs promote the new LA DESIGNER who WON Project Runway...yes JEFFREY.
ALTHOUGH I still think MICHAEL will win!
Here's my two cents about Jeffrey. He's talented and a loving father. Love him or hate him ... he made it to the final four and he is a serious contender for the win. He apologized to Darlene Keslar at the Reunion taping and the producers decided to not show it.
I just want to say that I love the Rungay Guys. They delighted in Tim drinking from the 'Slut' mug and pointed out the Chuck E. Cheese portrait and made me giggle like a little girl this morning. If I had a 'Slut' mug, I would toast you both right now!
OMG on the "Slut" mug! LMAO! That little boy is adorable no doubt. And "spittin image".
Verrrrrry interesting on Uncle Nick's comments...the plot thickens.
hmmmmmmm....I am leaning now toward him winning though. Mixed feelings here.
The Scarlett said...
"He [Jeffrey]apologized to Darlene Keslar at the Reunion taping and the producers decided to not show it."
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Really -- I missed that tidbit. Where did you hear that? Are you Jeffrey?
On the subject of Jeffrey's "suspiciously" finished clothes:
Why is it so reasonable to expect the designers to have everything finished in two months and a day...
...but SO UNBELIEVABLE to think they could have everything finished in two months and 0 days???
Amen.
And it was even mentioned that most of the models he picked fit his clothes perfectly, so it's understandable that he didn't have a lot of work to do.
And just because the only footage of him that we saw was him staring into space, doesn't mean he didn't do any work. If he did, it's natural that the editors, for the sake of oversimplification and delivering a simple plotline in 44 minutes, didn't show it.
And as they were pawing through his things (BAD designers!), Uli quickly pointed out that his work wasn't flawless.
Well, we know he shows at Bryant Park cuz you boys were kind enough to show us everyone's collection-- his included. So whatever that means... allegations true or false.... the man shows. I've never been a rooter for Jeffrey, but I like the designs he sends down the runway for that collection I have to say. I LOVE Laura- but however his clothes were put together.... they are much more fashion forward than hers, or any of the other contestants.
Hate to pick on anyone in particular and we are all entitled to our own opinions but just because Jeffrey has a kid doesnt make him more honest
Ok, that slut mug made me laugh out loud in the library. Thanks.
I don't even care if Jeffrey cheated. I think it's a stupid rule that they're not allowed to outsource the sewing. What's the point? No other real designer has to spend 2 months tied to their sewing machine like that. It's pointless torture. I mean, if it's the rule, it's the rule, but that doesn't mean it isn't a stupid rule.
Anyway, I like all the designers, but I didn't really like the final lines. Every designer had a few pieces I really liked, but I wasn't blown away by any of them. Nobody should win and I should get the money.
Harrison is soooo cute! I just want to pinch those cheeks!
"You can nurse AND teach them to read at the same time!"
Where does it come from PRGayBoys? You are a RIOT.
Sorry, I have listened to all of Tim's podcasts and I never heard about an apology to Darlene.
Not sure how I missed the chance to how you say, "Edumacate" myself. I'll go back and listen though because I sure want to be edumacated.
I don't see how plastic bags mean anything, really. I use them all the time - shops can be dirty places, after all. Not a Jeffrey fan, just trying to be reasonable about jumping to conclusions before the real evidence is in.
Frankly, the personal attacks on the designers' family members make me sad. Making comments about someone's children or their weight is hitting below the belt. I was a chubby child and, let me tell you, those words cut right to the bone.
"And if Melanie is fat, then I am a house!"
Well, I have to agree with you on that one. But in TV-land, any woman over a size 0 is fat. RRemember what the judges all said about Alison's model in the recycling challenge? (And what Alison later saud herself; that she was Auf'd because her model was too fat).
If I was a thin as Alison's model I'd celebrate with some ice cream.
--Gotham Tomato
Clarissa Anderson weighs in about Jeffrey's quality or lack thereof of work in an interview (web address below). It reads in part...
"But said she's waiting to see what happens in the end, especially with Sebelia's newest controversy with accusations of outsourced sewing.
But I really don't know what's going to happen with that. I did see his clothes up close and I agree with Laura (Bennett)," said Anderson. "I'm not saying he had outside help, maybe he had sewing classes in between. The pants looked like he bought them from the store, impeccable."
http://onmilwaukee.com/buzz/articles/projectrunway.html?page=2
Thanks for your Tim-visits-Jeffrey post, PRGayBoys. I've been waiting for it.
You're right about Harrison looking just like Jeffrey as a baby. And I think the picture of Jeffrey holding Harrison . . . well, it seems more real than anything I saw in any of the other visits. As Michael Kors might say, "It's very emotional."
And, yes, I'm a long-time Jeffrey supporter. Oh, wait. Maybe I'm a member of the vast conspiracy of Jeffrey fans who've suddenly shown up on various boards to say how great he is. Still shaking my head over that one . . .
Love Jeffrey. I really hope he wins. Love Uli, too. Michael? Nice guy. Needs more time.
I'll be nice and say nothing about Laura.
"What's "naf"?
Jeffrey deserves MAD props for surviving an abusive father, abandonment, drugs, coming back from the brink and making a success for himself. I never ONCE during the season heard him talk about his troubled past. Not once. Where the hell do you get: "continually asking for pity to excuse their adult behavior"
And if you think life in recovery is easy, then you don't know. Somedays it's all you can do not to curl up in a ball and lash out at evryone and everything.
So he's not a saint. Give him a break.
Catherine Hepburn: "Sometimes you have to look hard at a person and realize he's doing the best he can.""
First; 'naf' is British slang. It means something like, not cool.
Second, I agree with Katherine Hepburn. Too bad Jeffrey didn't offer that same compassion to others while on the show. If he had, I don't think you'd see people feeling about him the way they do; which is not hatred- it is a response to his behavior towards others. And yes, he did refer to the abuse on the show, just not in as much detail as in the finale visit.
And thirdly, I actually do know all about surviving abuse, and I know it is not an excuse.
--Gotham Tomato
P.S. I was glad to hear that he did finally appologize to Darlene.
"anapestic said...
For PR4, I'd like to see the final n designers each have a sewing contractor (or whatever they're called) assigned to them for a certain number of hours. I think that making the designers sew during the preliminary challenges is both fun and sensible, but if you're going to see who's going to be the next great American designer, it would be useful to have them focus on both design and on getting their samples made through the normal industry process."
THIS IS THE ONLY SENSIBLE THING ANYONE HAS SAID HERE IN DAYS. Brilliant.
I can't see why after what MICHAEL went through getting an EGG Thrown on his Garment in Paris streets, that ALL THE DESIGNERS didn't have their GARMENTS COVERED IN PLASTIQUE! I damn sure would have done the same thing as Jeff, covered my shheeeyat, no disasters necessary, it just shows he cares. Could it be Laura was pissed that JEFF just came off as more professional in his presentation and product than she did. Oh Laura don't worry you'll be a celeb on all the friendly morning talkshows, even if Jeff or Michael take the WIN!
"ThePRGayboys said...
Like it or not, Jeffrey fans, a cheating allegation was made. "
I agree that they had to air it. If they did NOT air it, and it later leaked to the press, there would have been a big credibility problem, and would have been an even bigger problem for Jeffrey. They had no choice but to lay it all out on the table, to avoid cover-up allegations.
I don't know if he did cheat or not (and can't figure out how they'd ever prove it one way or another). But I have a feeling that, after this, there will be changes in how things are handled for the final designers. Maybe they'll have to install camera's in their workspaces and do all their work right there in camera view. Pretty Big Brotherish, but I don't know how else the producers could monitor things.
(And that would never work for me, who works at home, usually in my underwear).
--Gotham Tomato
P.S.- I bet you're all now picturing me, a tomato, in my underwear, aren't you?? Perverts.
If Laura wins all the Jeffrey moaners will be happy. If Jeffrey wins, many will curse,cry,scream but the good thing is...PR took the popularity factor out of the contest at this point...it becomes ALL ABOUT DESIGN..(Michael got the popularity vote, he might still win but....) now the judges at least can get to the bottom line of the contest, who is the best designer up there on stage, that is what Paris Fashion week, Milan,NY Fashion week is ALL About, no one knows the personality of Galliano, Michael Vollbracht,Tommy Hillfiger,Calvin Klien, Tom Ford.....the critics just LOOK AT THE RUNWAY during FASHION WEEK and judge the fashions. Whoever wins it all about the fashions and the judges decision.
Like it or NOT maybe Laura's just JEALOUS, like Heidi said on Jay Leno. Jeffrey just out-sewed Ms. Laura and she couldn't handle-it. I hope she gets over it,if he wins.
And Gotham Tomato,
You are damn funny, love your posts.
Worst of all are those who will demonize Jeffrey regardless, without proof of any kind:
"Having said that, it will be impossible to prove if he had help. What employee or illegal alien subcontractor would dare rat him out? We will never really know."
Illegal aliens sewing his clothes. WTF???
Maybe he had gnomes. Magic pixies with faerie dust.
You're silly. My mom and all the other ladies in the neighbourhood worked in sweatshops (legal AND illegal aliens) and the proof is in the product. Doesn't help that he's in LA either.
I never ONCE during the season heard him talk about his troubled past. Not once.
Could have been edited out like Zulema's comments on her sexuality?
The plastic bag thing is dumb. Anyone that travels extensively knows that those plastic bags from the dry cleaners are a godsend b/c they keep things from being wrinkled.
Could we put everything aside for just a little and discuss the actual designs?
Honestly, I'd rather just look at them design-wise and it's really so so hard b/c it's like pitting Betsy Johnson/Vivienne Westwood/L.A.M.B against Yves St. Laurent/Chanel/Dior. I sway toward the latter b/c they appeal to my ideal aesthetic but Jeffrey's stuff looks great too.
I'm rooting for all four for different reasons, too...which is the best case scenario. No matter what, I win! ;-)
The only person I feel sorry for is any future child of Jeffrey's and Melanie's. "Don't cry, honey. Daddy's armpit and Mommy's arse are just as nice places for your name as Daddy's neck and Mommy's chest!"
loveit, loveit, loveit T&L. LOL. That is so funny. Thanks for (precious moments 101 and yiddish 101) this.
Does it mean you will change the bib to "shayna punim".
We, the loyal fans are the winners. You make us laugh everyday.
gobpr
Anne,
What a sweet thing to say! That pic was snapped at my best friend's wedding without my knowing it. I was the "Best Woman," hence the pretty flowers. And the ceremony took place on a minor league baseball field. It was the best wedding ever!
(Sorry to be off-topic. Back to the rants.)
Do you all think that Laura would have said something if Jeffrey's personality wasn't so abrasive/obnoxious, and if he hadn't made all those ungracious remarks about all of them?
One more thing...I believe that Jeffrey had outside help in creating some of his stuff. Is it in the rules that you can't have help sewing even if you pay for those services? How is that different that getting help on pleating or rouching or quilting? So maybe it'll turn out that he did have help but he paid for it and came in within the allocated budget? or maybe he went over budget and won't be allowed to show a certain piece?
I really don't want him to be uneligible to win even tho personally if he wins I won't be too excited. Both because I don't like his clothes and i can just picture his smarmy reaction.
I think Laura said more than her share of "ungracious remarks" to her fellow cast mates. She was particularly critical of Kayne and felt little need in hiding her disdain.
And many of the abrasive/obnoxious things we saw expressed were done so privately to the camera (at the goading of the producers, I'm sure), not in front of each other.
I think Laura and Jeffrey are two-of-a-kind: but why is it when Laura expresses her opinion she is a "Strong Woman" while when Jeffrey does it, he is an "Ass"?
Two-of-a-kind, with one exception. Jeff never stooped to accusations and subterfuge.
To anonymous: I was gonna reply to your post in earnest but once i read that you are sure that Jeffrey's insults came at the goading of the producers, well, why the hell even bother replying
Cukoosavaunt, from what I understand it is acceptable to hire others to do work as long as you pay a fair market price for the work done and have receipts. At the end of Season 1, Jay paid the have his sweaters knit for him (they were his design and material choice but he didn't know how to knit and sourced it out) Legal because he allocated the money. Kara Saun had shoes given to her then tried to pay $5 per pair it wasn't allowed as she could never get shoes of that design/quality for that price. The question isn't whether Jeffrey had someone else help him with his work, it is whether he had assistance and properly paid and documented the work that was done. That is why Tim was non-plussed at the disclosure of having the shorts pleated and he said that they would have to review the receipts.
"Like it or NOT maybe Laura's just JEALOUS, like Heidi said on Jay Leno. Jeffrey just out-sewed Ms. Laura and she couldn't handle-it. I hope she gets over it,if he wins."
Does anyone know of a YouTube with Heidi's comments? That would be great for BPR.
I doubt Jeffrey outsewed Laura. Some of Jeffrey's items maybe outstanding, but some were far less then outstanding. I am sure all of Laura's were impeccable.
I do think that with "Mad Skilz" and really good machines Jeffrey could make it happen. Jeff went over to Lauras to watch the reunion episode so I presume they all know the outcome and buried the hatchet.
well I think Jeffrey had help. I just don't think he did anything wrong and I'm assuming he paid for that help. Plus Tim Gunn wasn't with Jeffrey 24/7, now was he? So why is it so implausible that he did outsource some of his stuff? It's at least more plausible than saying Jeffrey's negative comments were all due to the bad influence of those big bad producers.
Since it is obvious that we are all watching a different show, what is the point of the PRGayboys allowing any of us to post? I have never seen so many differing "opinions" on the same thing. It is like the blind men and the elephant.
http://www.mcps.k12.md.us/curriculum/socialStd/grade7/india/Blind_elephant.html
In the case of this show, we are not even examining the same elephant!
We are all so caught up in our partisan behaviour for the designer of our choice that we can not see the same thing. Fashion is like art. It not an absolute. Yet most of the people who post here are absolutely sure of rumor, hearsay, conjecture, and opinion. Many of them, while claiming to see the humor in the PRBoys, display a decided lack of humor about their own biased opinions. No wonder TV and politics are such cesspools. Just as we get the government we deserve (or lack thereof) we also get the TV we deserve.
I'm still looking for the blog or Podcast where Tim said that Jeffrey apologized to Darlene. Could the anonymous person who made that claim earlier today please point me in the right direction?
Thanks!
The URL for Blind Men and Elephant got cut short.
Try this
http://tinyurl.com/ya8v59
I love the high road you two lovely boys are taking, and will sit back and just enjoy tomorrow night's show. Jeffrey did indeed reveal his softer side; Tim remains cool even when drinking from a slut mug; and ... Nick made a crucial and informed point, one that I failed to notice.
Nevertheless, I shall stay neutral about the outsourcing issue until the Finale, Part 2. I still think Jeffrey behaves like a lout and a boor, however, and that his mommy raised him better.
I smoke. Jeffrey smokes. I design clothes and I have a giant closet full of clothes and every single piece is IN PLASTIC BAGS because in confined spaces the smoke tends to discolor the fabric. Since Jeff's stuff was confined into a very tiny space (REF Tim's podcast) my guess is that he did what I do and put plastic over everything so he can smoke and work at the same time. The plastic doesn't protect the clothes against the smell of smoke so I have to have everything martinized before sending it out. There are lots of reasons that the stuff is in plastic besides coming back from the contractors.
That said, I am still LAURA'S BITCH-in-waiting.
Oh, and if I may add: as a die-hard Laura fan, I think Jeffrey (despite my personal opinion about his character) will probably win. His final designs, or what I saw of them, were edgier and more daring.
Keep looking, you'll find it.
Thanks! LOLOL
Okay folks, sing it with me! "Lighten up, it's just fashion, lighten up, it's just fashion"
"I smoke. Jeffrey smokes. I design clothes and I have a giant closet full of clothes and every single piece is IN PLASTIC BAGS because in confined spaces the smoke tends to discolor the fabric. "
You know, I had wondered, when Jay was making that Emmy dress for Heidi, if the real reason she decided not to use it was because she was preggers and the dress smelled like an ashtray.
--Gotham Tomato
gidget, oh how I've missed Santino's light-hearted quasi-Broadway tunes? Those were the days
on the other hand, in the words of Raymundo, drama has to happen. We've reached a fever pitch
To go back to the original subject, what is Jeffrey's wife background? Is she a musician too?
I have diligently been trying to "educamate" myself, at the behest of an anonymous poster today.
Here are the only references I could find in Tim's blog about Jeffrey/Darlene.
"Jeffrey’s design for Darlene (Angela’s mom) receives this week’s Jubilee Jumbles Award. It was a monastic, floor-length atrocity. (A holy mess, pun intended!) If he intended to seek revenge upon Darlene for the infractions he perceived she committed towards him, then he succeeded with this outfit. It’s one thing to declare that you don’t understand plus-size women (which he did declare), but it’s another to design a mortifying sack of a hideous dress. I applaud Darlene for being the good sport that she was and having the guts to wear it."
Since there was nothing on the blog regarding an apology, I went to the podcast -- again, to "educamate" myself.
Tim's podcast reminded me of something I had forgotten about regarding the everyday woman challenge. He said Jeffrey had padded his dress form with all kinds of paper towels and materials. Tim said he felt for Darlene having to see it and stand by it.
Still looking for the section where Jeffrey apologized, according to the ever "anonymous" poster. Specific information on where such an apology might be found would be appreciated.
"Nothing says "punk rock" like a Chuck E. Cheese portrait."
LOL. I remember when I was a little girl my parents took me there for my birthday.
cuckoosavant, I never thought I'd miss Santino, but day-um, I do! (I also miss Andrae -- please, someone tell me, what happened to Andrae?)
We know Jeffrey is going to win, and that is fine by me. Not my favorite, but certainly not the end of the world.
"No matter what else happens tomorrow, Jeffrey will always be the guy who made Tim drink out of a "Slut" mug. Gotta love him for that."
That's funny. I think I saw more than one mug on the table.
"We know Jeffrey is going to win, and that is fine by me. Not my favorite, but certainly not the end of the world."
I've made my peace with it. I mean, Michael is my favorite and I know he sure as hell ain't winning so. I was way more upset on November of 2004 (and thats a whole nother message board)
Oh my gosh! How are we ever going to find out who wins???
Love the drama, though.
I'm comfortable with any of them at this point -- and I don't think in the long run it matters. Maybe for Laura or Uli more. But I guarantee Michael already has a stack of job offers, and Jeffrey's got a business already, which just got a couple of months of priceless exposure. They can all put "as seen on Project Runway" on their stuff now -- though if they were clever they'd put "as seen on Project Rungay"!
i've had a chuck e cheese portrait done when with a significant other also. so fun!
Have you noticed how beautiful Melanie is? Her face is so lovely that she can pull off that mohawk and still look pretty. There is no doubt that Harrison is Jeffrey's little boy. He is a carbon copy of Jeffreyk a mini-me-jeffy.
I wonder if that blouse Melanie is wearing is a Jeffrey original? Just thinking on the keyboard.
Edumacate (not Educamate) - it's a Homerism. Like Saxamaphone.
Everybody knows that (well, apparently not).
Say it. Edumacate. Edumacate. Edumacate. It's funny!
Oh, and lighten up.
Anonymous -- because I feel like it.
P.s., creating a blog name for yourself with Zero information makes you Anonymous too, IMHO.
I loved the ballpit at Chuck E. Cheese. It was 4 feet deep, about a 60x60 foot giant square with net walls up to the ceiling you culd climb up and dive off of. Man, I want to turn my apartment living room into a giant ballpit now....f**k.
slut mug , that is great. You kids are wonderful..xoxo-Bobbi
"slut mug". thats great. you kids are fabulous. Love your blog.xoxo-Bobbi
In Tim's podcast for the reunion episode he said that Jeffrey said that he never apologized to Darlene.
Wow. Nick Verreos really is an amateur if protecting garments in plastic has him raising an eyebrow. Maybe fishtail hems are impervious to dust and wrinkles.
In other news, kudos to PRG for catching the Chuck E. Cheese photo. Keen eyes and a droll wit - you guys are on!
This bit about Jeffrey apologizing to Darlene at the reunion taping is news to me. I didn't even know she was at the taping. Where did this tidbit come from? In Tim's podcast for the reunion episode, about 2/3 of the way through he stated that Jeffrey never apologized, so I'm a bit confused.
On PR, Jeffrey made rude and innapropriate comments to his fellow designers - about their designs and their character - both to their faces and in private interviews. He was, at times, downright cruel, especially to the slightly overweight, timid mother of another designer on the show that he'd had issues with.
Yet when the viewers get to see his child, the product of unprotected sex between a recovering drug addict and a women he'd known for only a few months, Jeffrey is suddenly a great guy. What?! Just because he has a cute kid and had a shitty childhood doesn't excuse anything.
I went back through this thread to see who actually originally posted the apology statement. At 12:08, "The Scarlett" wrote: "He apologized to Darlene Keslar at the Reunion taping and the producers decided to not show it."
Since this is not on any blog or podcast, I wonder where the information is coming from?
Maybe he sent them out to be pressed and they are in the bags from the cleaners....
Also, I save my dry cleaning bags so I can use them to pack my clothes when I go on trips.... your shirts and suits will not wrinkle if packed in a garment bag on the wire hangers with the plastic and paper from the cleaners on them....
Also, it is not inconceivable that he could have a roll of plastic bags and bagged everything to keep it clean, fresh and ready to be packed....
But I still don't like him and I would have more expected to find turtle poop in house than Laura’s -go figure
In the latest preview posted on BPR Jefferey is on the phone trying to get receipts for outsourced work in his collection. He is also seen sewing an alternative garment in case one is not allowed in. It seems that Laura was not out on a limb to bring up the fact that she believed he had help sewing.
"Oy vay" is the preferred spelling, bubbalah.
-- Buttercup
The Scarlett is one of the moderators over at Blogging Project runway, perhaps someone who wants to know could email her to find out if Jeffrey did indeed apologize and if so, where it was printed at...
Personally, I don't have a problem with any of the final 4 winning the competition... because it really is all a matter of taste (personally mine is more like Lauras, but I can see the judges shrieking about it being old, god forbid she design something for people who could actually afford to buy it)
I didn't even catch the "Slut" mug. That's priceless.
As for the garment bags, whereas it may seem that this is evidence that he had them outsourced, it means absolutely nothing. No, seriously, garments bags mean nothing. He has a professional label, he himself is a professional. He's going to have garment bags. He's also going to understand the importance of packaging a very important garment to prevent damage happening to it.
Said it before and I'll say it again. I do this same kind of stuff. I package all my finished garments, even if they are packed away somewhere from possible hazards. It took one time of tripping over my own feet and sending a glass of soda in the direction of a light colored skirt to learn my lesson.
It's still a valid point to be made, though, and I understand, but I bag all my garments so to me it means squat. *shrugs*
Please do NOT confuse ME with any other Anonymous!
Just because a post says it is from Anonymous, does not mean it is from the same person.
And I am unanimous in that!
;-)
Jeffrey is fine to me. I just have to ask the Jeffrey clothing fans what they find so "edgy" about his clothing? I find it very 80's. His jetsetter outfit looked like something Rod Stewart would wear. I'm not saying it's bad, but his clothes look so yesterday's rock star to me. Maybe I'm just not seeing the innovation. Madonna could have worn his clothes in the 80's but I don't see her going back in time.
Anyway, I am glad that Jeffrey gets along with the remaining 4 designers (watching the reunion show at Laura's). I think the PR people tried to make characters out of all of the contestants.
I think Nick was just having a little fun. I don't think he meant his remarks as an accusation.
Love you PRungay guys!
Sad to see this kind of garbage on PRG. I hope the comments by one of the "anonymous"es will be removed.
every edumacated alient slut knows that there is no disputing about taste... and i wonder, even tho i am not a big fan of jeffrey's character traits or personal style, could ANY OF US stand up to the scrutiny these cats and kittens undergo and come away without feeling a teeny bit ashamed over being busted about SOMETHING?!?! It's good to realize after seeing pt. 1 of the final countdown (imagine theme from "Europe" circa 1986 behind bad montage of show highlights...) that as much as we like to compartmentalize folks, they are not archetypal one dimensional people in real life, just in the editing...
Here's what I think ...
I feel quite sorry for our PRGay Boys. It's not enough that they put so much time and effort into their blog, they have to play schoolyard monitor, too. I wouldn't blame them one iota for closing the shop down once they post their OFW blog entry. Yes, I'll miss 'em but this is ridiculous.
I think Laura and Jeffrey are two-of-a-kind: but why is it when Laura expresses her opinion she is a "Strong Woman" while when Jeffrey does it, he is an "Ass"?
Two-of-a-kind, with one exception. Jeff never stooped to accusations and subterfuge.
Oh good, someone else saw this as well. In fact, all the designers had something to say about at least one designer (personality or design wise). Even dear little Uli with her "I don't know what I would do if I went out before Angela." That's Uli for "that bitch has ugly shit. My stuff is better. I'll claw her eyes out if I'm auf'd and she isn't."
The difference between Jeffrey and everyone else, Jeffrey didn't hide the things he said. Whereas Laura would wait til someone left the room, Jeffrey would just be out with it. Laura, admittedly, was a little more tactful, but it still stands that she was as nasty as Jeffrey a great deal many times.
The reasons Laura and Jeffrey butted heads so much: exactly what anonymous said. They are two of a kind. Two people with strong personalities competing against each other. On different terms, they could have gotten along just fine.
Here's what I find the worst about all this. The hateful comments towards his family as well as Laura's. Thank you PRGBoys for doing such excellent damage control on this blog and deleting that garbage for both Laura and Jeffrey's sakes. Neither deserves that and all those acting that way should be ashamed of yourselves. You're acting exactly like the kind of person you're so hellbent on hating. BOTH Laura and Jeffrey were portrayed in negative manners: Jeffrey the bad boy, and Laura the rich bitch. In last week's episode we saw a softer side to BOTH of them. And BOTH sides of the fans aren't realizing this. Instead, they are using the new info given to us as a way to fuel their fire even more. "Laura's a neglectful mother and probably has just the maids and nannies take care of them." "Jeffrey's just using his past addiction to get sympathy." Jeffrey was invited to watch the reunion at Laura's house. Do you not think that maybe they got over their differences? Do you not think that's reason to suspect that the producers portrayed these two people in a light that was not necessarily like themselves in real situations? I'm seeing accusations made by their FANS about horrible things the other has said/done, not seeing any of this personally on the show or blogs. The FANS are making matters worse, and it's unfair to both designers. If only for their sake, this should all end, and we should all shake hands.
"it's very sad how some people are so insanely judgemental about a recovering addict."
Jeffrey brought that on HIMSELF by being nasty throughout the entire season to so many people. He is a very angry, devisive person.
As for what Scarlett said, she was told by Angela's brother that Jeffrey did finally appologize at the reunion (she didn't mention Darlene being there though).
--Gotham Tomato
Bryan said:
I think the PR people tried to make characters out of all of the contestants.
Thank's for saying this. I realized right after I posted my last comment that my "rich bitch" comment might have come off as a jab at Laura, which was not how it was meant to sound. I was pretty much saying that was the "character" they played. I seriously believe that's exactly what PR did was try to make them into characters, which is so unfair to them.
W. O. W. Is it getting HAWT in here or what? Oh yes we need a little finale right this very minute!!! We need a little finale NOW!!!
I love you PRGayboys. No two ways about it. You are two of the funniest ever. This site is one of the funniest ever. I think everyone's jonesing for the finale and the People's gettin' a little crazy.
Yeah, I get the manipulative feel also. While I personally want to believe Jeff cheated (he's not my fave), I have to say that I think it's another ploy on Bravo's part to gain ratings points.
And so convenient! You can nurse AND teach them to read at the same time!
*snort* Priceless. I gotta wonder what little Harrison will think of the tats when he *can* read. Will he think it's neat when he's older? I'll bet that by his pre-teen years he'll think that the tattoos are so unbelievable uncool that he'll forbid his parents to leave the house with him unless they wear head-to-toe snow-suits.
And also --- what happens if they have more kids?? Imagine if Laura had a tattoo for each of her children??? But of course if get a tat for one kid, you have to get one for each of them. Here's hoping Melanie & Jeffrey aren't planning on a large family...
I think they should have presented Jeffrey with some soft leather and asked him to demonstrate how he top-stitched the leather pants with such precision. If he has the "mad skills", that shouldn't be such a difficult test.
Ooh -- forgot to say -- longtime reader, first time commentor. You Gayboys are a hoot. Thanks!
As much as I do not care for the drama created by the PR producers, I have to say they sure know how to do their jobs. If the blogging that has been going on is any indication of the numbers of viewers they will get for the final episode, I say they deserve a raise. It worked.
Did Jeffrey mention if he has any siblings or is he an only child? The resemblance between he and Harrison is remarkable!
Also, I loved that Tim compared Harrison to Gerald McBoing Boing in his podcast. I love that Tim knows who Gerald McBoing Boing is. I love Tim.
And I love Harrison too. He *does* look like Gerald. It doesn't make Jeffrey a saint, that he has a cute kid whom he loves, but the scenes of Jeffrey with his family *did* melt my hard little heart just a little bit. Awwww.
Plus also...didn't Jeffrey tell Tim he was already mostly finished during the home visit?
ok here is my idea.
Mike said he started late.
Laura is a very very good sewer it takes her longer to get the same garment done as Jeffery say there were given a pattern Jeffery would have it done sooner because laura is more miticules she would make sure the seaming was right she would serger the edges she would hem to perfection. Jeff would leave it rough maybe with a raw edge. I can tell you the Hem is the thing that takes the most lime when making clothing I would put a shirt together in about 40 min but if I had to hem the thing the bottom the neck everything it would take me most of the day iron sew pin iron sew. forever.
and Uli is all about fit so she is still going to be working on the fit for each girl. That is why Jeffery is done and no one else is.
-Andrea -home sewer
Ools will win...she rubbed Buddha's belly...in the hotel lobby. Wait, am I the *only* one who saw this? Oooo, it's like Rucker's talking directy to me!
How could the preview video be of 'frey winning? It's shot in the workroom without the judges or Heidi present. Have you people never seen the show? No, seriously. Ever?
PRGBoys, you do deserve a special thanks so-ThAnKz!
I can not believe that despite all the invective flowing, no one mentioned the clever Punky Rooster (Brewster) reference!
Congrats to the PRGayboyz for always putting a lot into each post.
I haven't read all the comments here, but I've read a good deal and I find it funny how so many of you bash on Jeff. You say he has got a bad personality and his attitude is no good. Well, look at what you are doing, talking shit about him when you really don't know him at all. You're only basing your opinions of him on how the show is edited. Plus, you act as though he's the only person in the world who can get nasty when he gets pissed off. Stop for a moment and listen to yourself next time you're late and stuck in traffic or someone pushes your buttons the wrong way and your verbally attack them for it. Get real people.
-byrd
"Why all the vapors for having to make a plus-size dress for Darlene? From the looks of his significant other it looks like Jeff should be pretty familiar with a plus-size woman's body."
Darlene is considerably larger in comparison to Jeff's girl, that's why.
-byrd
Yeah, I second the Punky Rooster. Tim needs a mohawk too. I love you guys. I see different things each time I read it. I need to watch PR again to see the CECheese portrait.
PRGguys get the sainthood award for putting up with the snark postings.
Gobpr
The problem seems to be that most "fans of the show" are not in the fashion industry and don't live in nyc or la. Expert's in the fashion industry prefer Jeffrey's collection without question. (reviews online) Laura's looks have been done so much better...see valentino, ysl, wendy pepper...I look forward to seeing Jeffrey win. The fact is Michael Kors and Nina Garcia would look completely foolish in front of their colleagues if Laura won and we know that's not happening.
I think we all forget that this is the pinnacle of fashion, and if you aren't going to go big, you'd better just go home.
Working as a professional in the industry, I'm positive certain things have become ingrained in him, such as protecting garments from unforeseen things such as pen marks, water, and even shedding between the different materials.
I think that Tim would have picked up on it, if the bags were really suspicious... after all, he was there... Nick was just watching from his TV like the rest of us.
The idea that a fashion indust professioanl's opinion of what looks "good" is any more valid than anyone else's is laughable! Clothes aren't rocket science, people! Being a pro may give you a leg up on understanding how well a garment was constructed, how easy it would be to manufacture, how it will sell in the market, how original the design was, who were the influences, etc, but it doesn't make your opinion of what is aesthetically "good" or "bad" any more valid or any less subjective than mine. As Tim likes to say, it's a matter of taste!
Everyone lighten up about Jeffrey's babymama-she's NOT big as a house, she's fine. Don't care for her hair (too oldfashioned) and don't care for her tat (too big) but no one asked me. I can say THAT about 60% of the mamas I've seen. So just lighten up about her.
People keep saying that Jeffrey is angry. Compared to most other people, including those who are SO offended by his "anger," I do not think he is any angrier.
I think some people just have issues with men who do not bow down to "strong" women, who say what they think and let the chips fall where they may, and who have talent.
Manhattan Mango
Of course he had bags !!!!
... he's treating his collection like gold... for him this is everything. I'm sure he did better on this collection than he's ever done on anything in his life... why WOULDN'T you protect it???
BUT
Does he have a receipt for the BAGS... !!! AHA
don't forget this itty bitty fact, when Laura was talking to Tim about editing her collection, she looked at her husband (designer) and said "we"
will keep going...they all get help in one way or another, its not really fair that Laura has another design person next to her in the sack.
Very excited for this seasons finish, so much better than last seasons mediocrity.
Sorry to disagree, but SEASON 2 with Andre',Nick,Santino,Daniel V....WAS ABSOLUTELY on of the BEST.
Never was there mediocracy.
Gotham Tomato -
Thanks for revealing where the information came from about the apology. I knew it had to be insider information!
Look folks...editing or not...nobody put the words in their mouths (whether it's Jeffrey or Vincent or Laura or whomever). So please spare us the "you don't know him, it's the editing". The fact is, nobody posting here really knows them. And if somebody's a good sweet person they wouldn't be saying all the crappy things he said. I mean, saying there's serious ugly in the room is one thing. Wishing somebody has a stroke...classy.
"I think some people just have issues with men who do not bow down to "strong" women, who say what they think and let the chips fall where they may, and who have talent."
No, some people have problems with people who treat others like crap, call women bitches (it's not a Snoop video) and feminazis, and wish ill on others. I don't think being an asshole constitutes "not bowing down", it just means you're an asshole.
Two more things:
1) The whole PlasticBagGate is nonsense. Nick is just fishing and I guess it worked?
2) Harrison is the cuteness.
Anonymous, you are my hero:
"I will be really disappointed if Jeffrey wins. And not just because he gives every indication of being a truly nasty, cruel, misogynistic, miserable person. I wasn't for one second swayed by the manipulative editing. I'd like to think that what goes around comes around - karma, and all that."
Ditto! I think I could overlook a lot of Jeffrey's cruel crappy remarks but that 'stroke' remark was just way over the top and it's the one that turned me cold. I don't blame Laura for wanting to beat him and for giving him the "social cut" that he deserved by refusing to stand to greet him. Ms. Manners would not only approve, she would insist.
Let's face it-- ALL their collections suck! Seriously... I'd use Uli's as rags to wash my car, Laura's to dress corpses in, Jeffrey's if I was shooting H for the first time and thought I might barf on myself in the process, and Michael's if I was gonna push some booty on Hollywood and Vine around 4 a.m.
I would love it if next season the designers had to work with MALE MODELS-- exclusively for the duration of the show.
Kim: I think -- though I may be wrong -- that Laura's husband is an architect. And while they are both professions where one engages in the design process, I'm not sure designing a fitted bodice and a flying buttress are quite the same thing.
“No Harrison, the letter “A” is to the right of mummy’s left nipple…no that’s an “M” mummy is just sagging do to her higher than normal level of milk production….”
Is it my imagination, or has peanut buffed up a little?
All those deleted comments…now the Fab-Glam Boys know what is it like to be a kindergarten teacher at recess…as for the outsourcing…who cares at this point….XXXOOO to the Boys!
Adian...I love the phrase..."flying buttress"...it just invokes such fond memories of the morning after (make that afternoon) a white party.
junior goddess: about the mohawk:
"Too old fashioned"
I have been looking for the right kind of disdain for 'edgy' yet totally '80's style for many a year. You rawk... I am using that!
Hello my sweet babies!
It's Milla, the punk rocking plus-size designer size/gay right/HIV awareness activist/scientist/writer from Myspace... You know how much I love you sweet punkins...
It was awesome to see the "softer side" of Jeffrey.
I really love his clothes , aesthetic and strenght. And a person who lives happily ever after with a sweet baby and is in love with a girl with a 'hawk is my kind of man.
My apparel contruction professor and I were discussing the show and it really is impossible, impossible to do what they are asking them to with those time constraints and without help. Specially when you have a reputation already and your family's livelihood depends on your business.
I love Jeffrey's designs regardless of who did the construction work. I love Laura's, Michael's and Uli's too.
If he had help with manufacture and he was not allowed to go forth it will be really sad.
But like Chris Rock once said wisely " I don't condone but I understand".
He had his own collection to work on, and months of work to catch up on.. He probably had the buyers at Harvey Nicks and Maxfield on his tiny little butt...
So if ( of course if because everyone is innocent until proven otherwise) he had to get help with construction, I do not think it is right. But I understand the why and the pressure he must have been under.
I love y'all
OXOX,
Milla
Holy crap. It's a TV SHOW, PEOPLE. I get back from vacation and there's blood on the blog.
I am just checking out this site for the first time! It's fresh and very funny!!! (I wish I would have checked it out during the season.)
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