Did anyone else think they were going to break out in song?
The Bronx is up and the Battery's down! The people ride in a hole in the ground!
No? God, we miss Musical Mondays. Soon, kittens. Very soon.
So, when Heidi said "Chris, you're in. You can leave the runway," did you all gasp like a couple of overdramatic drag queens at the sight of VictorYA and Jillian on the chopping block? Darlings, we almost spilled our wine over that one. Almost.
Not that we can fault the decision, because this:
Is a "Holy shit" level of ugly.
First things first: we didn't think we were going to like this challenge at all, but it was fun to see them work in a difficult but classic medium. One question, though: What was the point to driving them out to that warehouse like they were going to bust a cap in their heads and dump them in the river? Couldn't they just take them to the Levi's store in Soho?
Anyway...
Y'know if she had real emotions like a human being, we might have seen this coming but she's so affectless that we honestly couldn't tell if she was struggling with the challenge or not.
Clearly, she was struggling with the challenge.
Darlings, where to start?
How about we start with the fact that she basically just commandeered a jacket and added shit to it instead of constructing a garment from the ground up? Was she smoking crack? What would make her think that the judges wouldn't call her on that?
Or how about we talk about the shitastic proportions on this thing? Collar's too damn big, skirt's too damn full, not to mention too damn short.
And speaking of the collar and skirt...
What could have possibly possessed her to reverse the denim for those portions?
That looks AWFUL.
If we can perform a little armchair psychoanalysis...it seems to us that VictorYA has very definite ideas about what she will or won't do as a designer. She made it clear last night that she would not use different washes of denim in her design, so she forced herself into a corner where she wound up making this terribly poor decision.
And it just doesn't work at all. If she had managed to step back and open herself up a bit, she could have come up with some sort of design that plays to her strengths, but she strikes us as someone who's very narrowly focused and that was probably her downfall last night.
Then of course there's this:
We'll get to Jillian's hot mess later, but it IS a little noteworthy that a couple days after making a fabulous trench with her, VictorYA decides to make a not-so-fabulous trench. We don't blame Jillian for being a little pissed about that.
Honestly, we're not sure what happened to her last night. Going with our armchair psychoanalysis, we have to say that she's so stubbornly set in her ways as a designer that working outside her milieu basically caused her to collapse on camera. She simply could not deliver the goods working in denim. Sad for her, but DELICIOUS for us.
VictorYA's exit videos:
EDITED TO ADD: Looks like VictorYA got the last laugh, darlings! She's showing at fashion week! Thanks Bettie.
I was glad to see her go as well. Especially since I was bummed that Ricky won (I thought both Rami and Sweet P out-designed him). Her auf-ing made his win worth it.
I am thrilled to see Victorya leave. Thrilled, I tell ya! Thrilled! I don't like her, I don't care for her design aesthetic, and her denim coat sucked swamp water. I mean, yeesg. It was truly awful, in both design and construction. Personally, I wish both she and Jillian could have been bounced just for being so damn derivative of last week's design.
Hmmm, I have to wonder if I'm the only one around here who didn't just hate Vera-lite. While I like the work of other remaining designers more (and I miss Kit), I wasn't dying for her to leave (while RICKY is still there. Oy.)
Of course, the trench was a hot mess, and she deserved the auf.
I was so worried when Chris was on the runway, I kept thinking "This is it, his second auf-ing and he wont' come back this time." I didn't think Jillian's was bad enough to go home, I thought Victorya's was the worst, but she has typically been a "judge's favorite" so I didn't think they would send her home. I was so relieved when Chris was safe!
Victorya went home, and deservedly so. The fact that she didn't' even design the most difficult part of her garment was just silly, and then to just flip jeans inside out and sew it on, ick! I was so irritated when the judges commented that they didn't know what she did with her time, but she mentioned in response that she was busy the whole time sewing. Sewing what? It was just a disaster.
NO SHIT!!! She looked like a pouting , angry child/teenager through the ENTIRE challenge. Check out your first (scene from A Chrous Line) photo. What a grump! I kept thinking it was like she just gave up. But I think your Dr. TLo psychoanalysis is probably more on the money. Nevertheless, YES, she totally deserved the aufing, was up next to Jillian w/ the coat issue...the drama..the DRAMA! She was also a pouty snotty child during the aufing. Good riddance! She's the only designer I really have not liked this season.
OMG!! When Chris was "in" and those two girls were left standing I was STUNNED. Of course, I thought to myself, "I hope the boys post early tomorrow because this is a shocker!!" Couldn't wait to read your take on it.
She avsolutely deserved to be auf.
Chris also seemed very surprised to be in. I'm so happy he's still in it!
At last! A judging decision that made sense! But how much heartbreak do you think the judges went through in having to auf Victorya? She was their pet after all.
But she really put no design thought into this. I could have added a skirt to an already made jacket and called it a day. (Hmm, maybe I should do that with the poodle skirt I am putting together for my daughter)
Mr. profp and I clapped with glee when Sissybear was allowed to leave the runway.
Mr. profp and I held our breath as the ominous Aufing Soundtrack played (reverb much?).
And then JUMPED UP when Jillian was able to leave.
Ya-YA deserved to go - couldn't believe she just added stuff to that jacket! Truth is, she will probably do just fine in her career, but I think your armchair analysis is spot on - rather than admit this was out of her comfort zone and take a risk, she played the Passive-Aggressive card - it was almost as if she was saying "Go ahead - auf me - I dare you.
Very satisfying episode.
p.s. I thought Sweet P's design was beautifully done, and what was up with Sister Christian? He was pissed that he didn't win!
And here I never thought the jacket Victorya used as a base (I own one of them, alas, alack) could be more unflattering than it comes from the factory. How meager my imagination was!
Were any of the designers sad to see her go? It didn't seem that way. This was definitely the right decision, but I don't get Ricky's win at all. You could have bought his outfit back in 1995 at The Buckle. The judges were so happy that something he made fit that they threw him a pity win.
ah.. the tide is turning. Ricky for the win, and ViYA is auf. who could have called this??
We were already mourning the loss of Sissy, and getting our big 'ol panties in a wad over it, since we KNEW they would never send their passionless pets home....then BAM!
"Was she smoking crack? What would make her think that the judges wouldn't call her on that?"
Oh you know the answer... HUBRIS. In big ol' piles.
Since episode one, she has been so over-confident and full of herself that there was never a single time where she rethought anything, edited herself, or reconsidered a poor decision.
Add to that her UTTER DISDAIN for every single challenge, and I wonder why she ever auditioned to be on the show at all.
Yes, VictorYa, you will be asked to use weird materials. Yes, VictorYa, you will have to design things other than a short, sleeveless a-line. Yes, VictorYa, some of the challenges will seem "beneath you". This is the fun of it all.
She clearly wasn't having fun, and it showed.
Christian, as much as he complains (on camera), understands the point of the show... work within bizarre confines, make new and exciting looks, and have a blast. I sometimes wonder if anyone else gets this. Certainly not Ya Ya.
No comments about the outpouring of emotion and warmth when Jillian hugged Ya on her way off the runway? I swear, it looks like frost forms on them when they hug.
"Hmmm, I have to wonder if I'm the only one around here who didn't just hate Vera-lite."
No, you're not the only one. I was indifferent to her before, but felt she deserved the auf-ing this time. Was it Nina who said her garment was uninspired? That is perhaps the best way I can think to describe it. It didn't look like she even tried.
I wound up liking this challenge as well! Victorya's loss was deserved. Too bad for me though. For some reason, early on I picked her to go all the way on Fantasy Runway, even though, looking back I didn't like many of her designs at all.
Boy, after reading these comments, Victorya better wear dark glasses for a while. (OK, she's gone, but why all the mean spiritedness?)
In addition to Tom and Lorenzo's expert analysis, I think Victorya also lost sight of the marketability factor here.
If she had used ONLY the reverse of the denim, it might've worked, but Levi's would never have SOLD it that way.
I can't recall if the "limited edition sale" was mentioned before the runway, but either way she should've thought about the idea of selling it commercially.
A deserved aufing this week, PR bitch fans. This was one heinous garment. And what work did she do? Really? ugh ugh ugh ugh GACK
That having been said - or groaned or choked, whatever - I was still very surprised at YaYa's auf because it looked like M Kors really really liked her point of view and was going to fight for her to stay, and that Chris would get the auf. But I'm happy that Chris stays, he's the one I'd like to have lunch with of this group.
I have to add congrats to PR for 2 great challenges in a row. Interesting that only Christian did anything with the white cotton, but I know we'll have a session on that outfit shortly.
I am pleased to see this boob-squisher gone. It was really weird to see both her and Jillian do a coat after last week's challenge coat.
Can't wait to see your commentary on the winner for this week. Because I.... was.... SHOCKED!
Excellent challenge this week and some really impressed me: Ricky's was very sexy and fresh, Rami's was edgy in an angry peanut way and I covet Sweat Pea's design, I could actually look super cute in it! For once I agree with the judging completely.
I'll admit that it's a little hard to tell because she keeps her emotions so close to the vest, but my guess is that Victorya's problem was exhaustion. I think if she'd had more sleep, she'd have come up with something. She did get boxed in by her initial decisions, but that, too, is more likely to happen when you're very tired.
I only sort of get the Victorya hatred. She comes off as emotionally flat, so she doesn't bring the drama, and it's hard to find real substance to bitch about, and we all love to bitch, so we don't like her. But I don't think she's overly proud or stuck up: I just think she's reserved. It's hard to imagine missing her much, and it's hard to imagine being outraged (or surprised) by her dismissal, but it's equally hard for me to work up much dislike. Some people just don't put themselves out there.
"tlo said: Couldn't they just take them to the Levi's store in Soho?"
Hellooo!! I found that mystifying as well. And as soon as the door opened & I saw all that fabric in the distance, all I could think was: Poor Chris, they're going to make him sprint across the abyss again.
Victorya's coat was absolutely awful. It was so discombobulated that it looked like it was made in the sunroom at Bellevue, by someone who was off their meds. Too bad they don't have hospital bracelets on the Blue Fly wall. That might have helped.
That was a very satisfying episode: Great cuts of Christian being immature. Dirty 'P' feet. And Tim's quip, "We don't need to go meet someone fabulous, WE'RE fabulous!
Victorya always has an expression like she is smelling something bad. And this time what smelled bad was her uninspired garment. She looked so surprised and uncomfortable when Christian hugged her good-bye.
all I could think was: Poor Chris, they're going to make him sprint across the abyss again
I made that very comment to my partner, who had come into the TV room for his weekly forty-five minutes of putting-himself-through-reality-TV-that-he-can't-stand-in-hopes-that-it-will-make-me-decide-to-sit-through-six-hours-of-Wagner-next-spring time.
Ricky's win was a little whatevs because I thought Christian's was so good. But considering his history with Victorya and her throwing him under the bus in the fashion trends challenge it was a bit delicious, no?
I was convinced that Sissybear was going to be auf'd for good, but I was totally surprised to see Victorya and Jillian as the bottom two, if only because the judges have obviously liked their work in the past.
The stress of the competition seems more obvious, now, with Jillian's mini-meltdown, Ricky's tears, and Victorya's choices for this challenge.
Victorya seems to have a very set design aesthetic, and doesn't seem interested in thinking outside the box. that is definitely a no-no on PR.
Ok about Victorya---she deserved it. Actually, she deserved it a couple of times and it was only a matter of time before another sack dress did her in. And boy did this one do it. Damn girl just gave up didn't she? Its not unusual; actually expected from someone that is praised for picking up their scissors...that once out of the comfort zone its over--she was completely lost and instead of working through it she did the proverbial, "Screw you guys, I'm going home" childishness.
So I'm doing a dance that the bytch Victoria is gone!!
Besides that how many weeks have she and Sweet P been room-mates and she's calling her KIT???? BITCH!!!
Oh, and I should add that the producers had to spend a lot of extra time making Xtian look extra pricky diva just so no one would be THAT upset when he lost.
Does anyone else watch this show through the lens of "wonder what the Boys are gonna do with THAT"? ;)
When Heidi walked out in that T shirt at the beginning, it was as if you squinted, her boobs were staring at you. Well, not at me, at our Boys here. LOL
Best part of the episode? When YaYa proclaimed "No group hug" backstage after her auffing. It didn't exactly look like a line was forming, now, did it?
(Also, it looked as if she was saying "No group hug" not to avoid being overcome with emotion, but because she genuinely didn't want touch anyone else.)
In all fairness, she could have been hypnotized by the skirt Jillian was wearing -- what was with that? It looked like something from the clearance rack of the ME Escher collection.
Jacqueline's boobs can breathe a sigh of relief....
The sad thing is, a properly constructed denim trench coat could have been fabulous.
Once Chris was safe, I figured Victorya was out -- the judges thought Jillian had some interesting ideas, but they had no half-praise for Victorya. I did think it would come down to her and Chris, though.
Not to go to far astray here but one of Sweet P's great assets on the show is SHE LISTENS TO TIM. Every time. And every time, he's right. With everyone (also Ya's downfall). Tim Gunn for President!
Honesly, looking at the photos (didn't watch again). I don't see the "hot mess" that is Jillian's.
I guess I'll wait until T&Lo post more pics & details about it.
But Vicborya's..... UGGHHHH! WTF?
TG she's gone, I don't hate her, but she's boring and T&Lo nailed her (ha ha) in the Hershey's challenge "Well Tim, I LIKE my dress..." She's stubborn, passive aggressive, boring, and thinks anything other than an A-line, A-cup outfit is beneath her.
"What was the point to driving them out to that warehouse like they were going to bust a cap in their heads and dump them in the river?"
I know! What the hell was that about? (But, hey, welcome to Brooklyn, PR!)
As it's been mentioned, these designers don't want to take Tim's advice. Chris didn't and came close to being aufed. Victorya seemed slightly open to his comments but didn't take them to heart. Sweet P, on the other hand, really listened, and then transformed her wedding dress disaster into something that seems to have come close to winning. The moral: listen to Tim, designers!
i'm glad she's gone. but i'm pissed that Ricky won instead of Christian. that was bullshit.
the judges seemed to reveal that they were holding out for him to do something great. like they had an agenda not to let him go until they got what they wanted. granted, he did turn it out this week, but i've seen better. and it was not as innovative as christian's design.
One question, though: What was the point to driving them out to that warehouse like they were going to bust a cap in their heads and dump them in the river? Couldn't they just take them to the Levi's store in Soho?
THE POINT WAS TO SEE THE FAT BOY RUN AGAIN. fuckers.
This was a well deserved, though surprising, aufing.
That being said, pet peeve time: WHAT IS IT WITH DIRTY JEANS? Why is it stylish to wear jeans that look as if they've been pissed on? It is nasty, ugly, disgusting. One of the most repulsive fashion trends to ever come along. Nasty.
Kinda makes you wonder if Tim doesn't leave the workroom and run right to the producers, er, judges and say, "oh my god, you'll never believe what I just saw. . . ."
Ms Flyover, you're not the only one. I didn't care for her designs but I can't work up any passionate hatred for her or anyone else on the show.
Re Ricky's win: remember that whenever the winning design is going to be made in quantity and sold in a store, they NEVER choose the most fashion forward or complicated design. NEVER.
Yes, fists were punched in the air when Chris was told he was "in" and again when Victorya was "out". That was one hot mess.
It is most likely a product of the number of designers and the show's time limits, but it seems like they have finally winnowed enough out to start having fuller interviews, see more interaction between contestants and more of the design process. Basically, the things that I really like to see. Should be (more) interesting from here on out.
Ya Ya acts like a lot of the people in my own asian family. Very calm, very subdued, but it doesn't mean that they don't have very strong passions and dislikes. They express it by doing whatever it is that they think is right, no matter how many warnings you give them.
However, I'd have to say that given the choice between Jillian and Ya Ya, Jillian's melodramatics and whinging, along with her little cheat trick of buying new fabric for that little red Daytona 500 dress in the former fat lady contest showed a self centeredness that really turned me off.
For me, it's never been Ya's reservedness that bugged me. It was her passive aggressiveness, snideness, holier than Thou (and when I say Thou I do refer to St. Tim Gunn) attitude. That is not very appealing and that rang true loudly. Quiet and reserved (like Stephen was alot of the time) isn't offputting but the other qualities are totally irritating.
Oh my! It never would have occurred to me to tack a skirt onto a ready-made jacket and call it good. Imagine how the garments would have looked had designers used this approach in the Hershey challenge. Models dressed in pillowcases. Also, just a thought:
alex! said...
... She clearly wasn't having fun, and it showed.
Bingo! No matter what was going on, what the challenge was, etc. Victorya didn't ever seem to be having a good time - even quietly. I think this affected her performance, and not in a good way.
Important as it is to maintain a focused competitive edge, having a sense of humor and for heaven's sake having fun are tools as important as the ability to drape. Those designers who are able to release their stress with laughter seem to respond to the challenges without profound suffering. (At least that is how the edits make it look.)
In my experience, there is a difference between being serious about your work, and taking yourself too seriously. That might be a lesson Victorya has yet to learn.
anonymous said: ...but i'm pissed that Ricky won instead of Christian. that was bullshit.
the judges seemed to reveal that they were holding out for him to do something great. like they had an agenda not to let him go until they got what they wanted. granted, he did turn it out this week, but i've seen better. and it was not as innovative as christian's design.
Word. I really thought that Christian should have won this one. As annoying as this kid can be, he can turn out some stunning work. I liked Ricky's design, but I wasn't sure why the judges were so over the moon about it. since Levi's is doing a limited edition of the winning design, perhaps a dress is more what Levi's wanted.
I watched it by myself last night...and spent the entire time talking to the TV.
Why make them run? It irritates me.
THIS EPISODE WAS FANTASTIC! Some bitchiness, Tim, Heidi's boobalicious outfit (seriously, did they use duct tape for those suckers?), meltdowns, and more than one outfit that I really loved.
I got not love or hate for Ya. But I kept shouting WHO IS IT GOING TO BE? the whole time. Delicious...
Two favorite lines:
"Somebody give him a bottle and put him to bed."
"Is my talking to my garment disturbing you?....I don't really care."
fwiw, I loved Christian's sleeve jeans and thought he should have won over it! He also made a jacket (which I am looking forward to inspecting again when the photos come up).
At this stage of the competition, everyone has to play their "A" game. VictorYa struggled with this challenge, and it got her auf'd. I'm not sad about it, someone had to go and since she's not one of my faves, I'm not devastated that it was her. What pisses me off is that once again, Sweet P didn't get the win when she clearly should have. Most of those outfits were "Been there, done that." I've seen them all before, but love her or hate her, Sweet P's was different and gorgeous.
"Does anyone else watch this show through the lens of "wonder what the Boys are gonna do with THAT"? ;)"
Yes, yes yes! Especially last night when my jaw hit my chest with shock and awe! Me coming up the elevator to work: "How soon before I can get to Project RunGay?"
oh dear I just realized how that makes my life sound.....
weirdly, this hideous piece of messss looked sacklike and awful just like all of VictorYa's other "garments"!
and enough with making the designers sprint to their materials - some Sissybears are clearly not designed for running. and it's not fair.
I thought Heidi's boobs looked a little smushed, actually (one looked like it was trying to escape).
And WHAT was with VYa's "backstory" - my mom is my inspiration because she made everything I ever wanted?
henh?
and armchair psychoanalysis: Passive Aggressive with the coat. VERRRRY passive aggressive with the coat. likewise the Fallen Jeans in the warehouse. VictorYa made for dreadful television, regardless of her design abilities. Glad she's gone.
Christian was the only one who made two pieces (I believe), and they were both pretty impressive. That alone tipped the scale for me over Ricky's, though his dress was so great with the nod to the button fly. Chris's extremely dated look was saved by Victorya's hideous craftsmanship and ill fated choice to flip the denim over.
another good episode. Two in a row! Both of those coats were horrid. (how was Jillian's "iconic"). I agree with the Duchess, the idea of a trench was good but WTF? Could she just not be bothered? PS. Was it my imagination or did Christian say "thanks Timmy-Tim" to Tim last night?
If you read Tim's comments, it seems that this was the challenge where he was so sure Ricky would go, and then Ricky pulls off the win. That's interesting, because while I didn't think Ricky deserved the win, Victorya's was still much worse in my book.
I was glad to see VictorYa go. I never liked her designs nor her attitude. My partner was shocked and thought she was a better designer overall than Chris. Oh well, as Hiedi says "one day you are in and the next...you are OUT!" I will say that I thought Sweet P should have won.
btw - maybe it was the styling and the ponytail, but I was getting a Jennifer Lopez vibe off of the whole look. Anyone? Did JLo do a movie where she wore a trench or a denim jacket? She popped into my mind the moment the model hit the runway.
One question, though: What was the point to driving them out to that warehouse like they were going to bust a cap in their heads and dump them in the river? Couldn't they just take them to the Levi's store in Soho?
THE POINT WAS TO SEE THE FAT BOY RUN AGAIN. fuckers."
The field trip premise was dumb, though. I thought maybe, when I heard it would be about denim, that they'd have a big old pile of confiscated fake designer jeans to use. Then the Port Authority setting would make sense, and they could slip in a socially conscientious pitch about the evils of buying fake merchandise.
But what they did was just stupid and, once again, offensive, making Chris run. I can't seem to recall sprinting being a part of any other season, and now they've done it twice. Boo hiss!
I was not a big fan of Victorya's designs at all. There has not been one thing that she put on the runway that I thought was cute. This is one aufing that I'm in complete agreement with.
I don't like her and I was glad to seer her go. She didn't design anything. It's like she just gave up.
I've just finished watching the exit videos and her attitude just pissed me off. Her complaint about having to design with denim, that her heart wasn't into it and that's why she lost is bullshit. So you're going to let yourself go simply because you don't like the challenge? That's ridiculous! I guess she didn't want Bryant Park that bad then.
come on people why all the anger? What did she ever do to you...just repeat....it's only tv, it's only tv!! And then you'll feel better. But seriously, I don't get all the fury that some people express over these silly designers. This ain't rocket science, it's a @#$%^&* reality show!! That being said, you always know who's going bye bye when you hear about Mom (never a good sign!!) I haven't read all 8 million comments, but I always wonder about the unanimity of the judges. They all came to the same conclusion about Ricky's dress? I think the reason he won is that was the most sellable garment for Levi's. Rami's would have been to expensive to duplicate, and only about 42 people in the entire country could fit into Christian's pants (the pair he designed...you knuckleheads...)
YES!!! Finally!!! Now if we could only get rid of Rami...The challenge sucked, I hate denim dresses. No matter what you do, they always end up looking tacky; well, Sweet P's is an exception.
The judges certainly aufed the right contestant last night (tanks god).
I realize that these challenges have little bearing on the 'real world' of fashion design (?!?!), but a big part of why I watch the show is to see where the designers go, creatively, with absurd criteria.
Victoria didn't go anywhere last night. Except bye-bye of course, and deservedly so.
She struck me as someone who was silently willing the competition to conform to her comparatively narrow aesthetic. Her aesthetic will look incredibly dated in a few years...then where will she be?
I loved Christian's outfit, totally not getting the WTFs on that. I wouldn't be surprised if Levi's markets something like that.
(BTW, does anybody know what would happen if they did? Would the designers have any recourse, since everybody saw them think of it first on national TV?)
Having said that, Christian wasn't as original as he thought he was. I had that jacket in the 80's, but I loved the concept for the jeans and they looked really cool.
I didn't care for Victorya's personality, but mostly I wanted her to go because I was so sick of her not designing anything good. Ricky's been more "hit or miss" to me than consistently awful. And I felt his design was good last night, although Sweet Pea got robbed.
That Levis lady was nice, I want to go work for her. I loved teh way she commented intelligently on each of the top 4 outfits and their marketability.
The thing is, was Sweet Pea's dress really original? I could swear I've seen something like that. She couldn't have invented that pattern. Maybe that's why she didn't win?
God I'm all over the place with this. It's getting harder and harder for me to stay on topic! :)
Finally, a season four episode which left me smiling.
What a passive agressive bitch YaYa seemed. Did she actually think she could shovel that piece of shit down the runway, stand there with a blank look on her face and expect the judges to ooh and aah? Interesting to see the (non) reaction of her fellow designers at Tim's 'clean up your workspace' phrase.
Wave your little hand and whisper so long dearie; I should have said so long so long ago.
"No matter what you do, they always end up looking tacky; well, Sweet P's is an exception."
Sweet P's was a Marvel! I've quilted for 30 years and I know brilliant piecing when I see it. It was masterful. A clear stand out. I would have voted it the winner in a heartbeat.
i was really routing for miss yaya's auf last night. not just because of her design, but because of the lousy attitude she's had all season. then to see her play dirty with chris when they were picking out denim... well, routing turning into chanting. and once it was down to just her & jillian on the runway, i knew she was gone.
and i'm glad that jillian called her out for totally biting off her idea. i just wish she had done so to her face. would have made the show a bit more entertaining.
by the way, am i the only one who found victorya's talking head about her mom sewing up all her pretty clothes for her, a little disturbing? it just seemed... i don't know... spoiled? entitled? creepy?
Over 100 comments by 10am (MST). Guess this episode got us talking (you woulda thought Bravo read the last PRG post about the season and altered the episode)!
I don't think that jacket is redeemable on any level. As shown by the fact that judges, in the long run, far prefer Ya to Chris, but there were no excuses that could be made for this. It was just the very clear loser.
You know, she can say all she likes that it was because she didn't like the challenge, but if I were a designer, I'd be embarrassed to send something like that down the runway because I would take me work seriously, if not the project. My armchair psychoanalyst said, "Spoiled brat." She seemed more attached to her snobbery than her committment to her craft, and as an artist, I have no respect for that.
"(BTW, does anybody know what would happen if they did? Would the designers have any recourse, since everybody saw them think of it first on national TV?)"
The scandal would be earth-shattering. Elected officials would be impeached, nations would fall, global economies would collapse, people would put their arms in their pant legs and their legs in their shirtsleeves, dogs and cats would inherit the kingdom ...
VictoriYawn is finally gone. That's what she gets from stealing dark wash from SissyBear. Bitch.
They editing last night tried to get me to hate Princess Puffysleeves but I had none of it.
And Ricky - oh Ricky - "It feels like winning"... it IS winning. What did you expect it to feel like? Cashmere? Although - I imagine winning would feel like cashmere. But I digress, Ricky will go home next week and the world will be right.
PS - Anyone looking at Sweet P as the Kara Janx of Season 4? I bet she comes in fourth and puts on a kickass runway show.
Did anyone else get creeped out by the way YaYa keep shifting her eyes over to the side (inside of looking right into the camera) when she was talking about how her mother use to make her clothes? That is a very suspicious facial gesture to make. It made me not believe her.
are you guys fucking kidding about christian? his pants were so innovative, he used the SLEEVES OF THE JACKET. the entire design was amazing and executed to perfection. he should have won, for sure. you bitches better lose some weight if you think no one can fit into those pants, i know i can. the whole look was sooooooo high fashion. he's the only designer on the show with raw talent.
@homofascist: Funny meeting you here! I think Ricky's win basically came down to what Levi's felt they could produce and mass market in a low cost way. Rami and Christian's outfits were better but have a more limited appeal.
It was an implosion of epic proportions. Clearly, she hated having to work with such a "base" fabric as denim, and she passive aggressively worked herself out of the competition by producting a shit garment. And what the hell was she thinking making a coat?!
Ugh. So glad she's gone. My skin crawls when she gives her high and mighty, stick up the ass speeches about how great she is. Barf.
And, once more, my pick for the loser on Fantasy Runway turns out to be the winner. What is this weird voodoo thing I have? It's eerie.
Sweet P's was a Marvel! I've quilted for 30 years and I know brilliant piecing when I see it. It was masterful. A clear stand out. I would have voted it the winner in a heartbeat.
Hmmmm. Sure, it was a great dress, but are you telling me you got a good look at the guest judge and couldn't tell immediately that at some point in the past she and Sweet P had been in a bar fight over a man? Sure, she was all "great dress" during the judging, but that little comment about how it wasn't really 501 was a thinly veiled, "I still haven't forgotten that you slept with my man, bitch." Sweet P's lucky that judge wasn't packing heat.
Well, that's over and done with. Who's next? I noticed Rami has his Spring 2008 line up on his site, too. Could it be? Nah, it'll be Ricky. Or SweetP. Or...nah, it'll be Ricky.
One thing I particularly enjoyed about this episode is that we finally saw more banter between the designers. And that personality lite feeling that was so prevalent in past episodes started to fade.
I do wonder, as I mentioned on another post, what was up with Heidi's super sparkles. I really wish they'd dress her in an outfit that reflected the challenge. Of course, it's probably silly of me to think this way, but still...
On a more serious note, my bosom is back to happy heaving with Vya out.
Oh, and to comment on TLo's question about why they drove them to a warehouse: it's for the "drama." They're all scared shitless, thinking they'll have to make a dress out of Jersey's landfill or some shit like that. Taking them to the Levi's store would have been too much like the Hershey's challenge, and they had to throw in some kind of twist to get the designers' panties all in a bunch. And make them get filthy dirty, for whatever that added.
And why wasn't Heidi wearing jeans on the runway? That little sparkly dress was cute, but come on! Levi's is the sponsor and you can't wear some jeans? I thought that was sort of weird.
Hmmm...I just watched her exit videos & to me, she looked and sounded more upset than anything else, so I don't get some of these comments.
And her lack of love for the challenge & the giving up; well, that's really a lot like Christian was in the prom challenge, except he found it in himself to rally, and she didn't.
They all look so exhausted at this point that, to me, it begs the question: Why don't they give these designers more time to sleep? They don't have to give them more time for the challenges. But, I think that giving them more down time might improve their creative output more than more work time.
I doubt much would happen if Levi's were to market a look like Christian's. First off, he made skinny jeans, which is hardly unique. He put buttons on the buttons. Not unique. I agree- brilliant to make the legs out of sleeves. (Though Chris joked that all pants are is two big sleeves put together.) But if mass marketed, they would cut a leg pattern and not use the sleeves. Then his jacket was basically a puffy sleeved jacket, which is something he's made before and has certainly been around for ages.
I thought the outfit looked good, but it was awfully similar to the look he did in the makeover challenge.
Dang, I didn't want to comment on Christian on V-ya's.
Because I'm bursting with thoughts: I'm going to get them out now and not wait for every post to come from TLo:
Ricky: the winner?! Really? His dress was okay, but not that great. And geez! Get some meds, girlfriend. The crying is so annoying.
Rami: two words: Jeffrey Sebelia. He did those zippers in his final collection of Season 3.
Christian: I LOVE that he put the jacket sleeves on the bottom of the jeans. So inventive and really cool looking. However: the jacket? That is the third 80s inspired jacket he has made so far. Move on!
Jillian: Chris was right when he said that you should edit your design when you only have 10 frickin' hours to make something; and DO NOT repeat the exact same thing you made one week ago. Stupid.
Sweet P: I hated that dress. But I despise faded blue denim, so maybe that was my problem with it. And it had zero embellishment. I am shocked that Nina got so wet over it.
Chris: I liked it. I don't understand why they raked him over the coals like they did. And it wasn't any more "dated" than Ricky's dress or Christian's jacket.
As pleased as I was with the judges' decisions this week (even Ricky, who I thought did a great job -- is this the first sign of the apocolypse?), I remain frustrated that they're always in total lockstep with each other. Would it be too much to ask that they offer somewhat differing opinions every once in a while? It's like they all share the same brain; it's creepy.
lemniscus said... " Excellent challenge this week and some really impressed me: Ricky's was very sexy and fresh, Rami's was edgy in an angry peanut way and I covet Sweat Pea's design, I could actually look super cute in it! For once I agree with the judging completely." 10:14 AM
I am sure we will get to Rami in a different post, but I saw this and wanted to respond, but I really didn't think Rami's design involving zippers was that edgy. I really liked Rami's dress, but outlining seams was don (as you pointed out) by Jeffery a season ago, so me that made it look more copied (they really liked the zippers on Jeffery's last piece, so I will use them!) I was surprised Tim didn't say anything about it when he saw the garment. However, it could be argued that as it was a jean challenge, and zippers are part of jeans, using them in a different way is fun, but for some reason it didn't sit right with me.
"What was the point to driving them out to that warehouse like they were going to bust a cap in their heads and dump them in the river?" So hilarious!! And I agree, it left me confused.
I'm so glad Victorya is out, I never liked her. She was so jerky as a teammate, and so bland all the other times it made me what to die.
"Why don't they give these designers more time to sleep? I think that giving them more down time might improve their creative output."
Because then there wouldn't be DRAMA, and according to yesterday's posts, it's ALL ABOUT THE DRAMA!!! They don't care about "creative output", they care about tears, bitching and catfights. At least that's what everyone said yesterday.
What I don't get is all the running they're doing this season. What is this, Survivor? Sure, the frenzy makes for good TV, but please. This is the third challenge I can remember this season where it's all about GRABBYGRABBYGRABBY.
Cathy: I don't get the hatred of Victorya. I do get why she is out.
Me: Okay, I'm ready for all the knives to be thrown my way, but I think a big reason for Ya-Ya-hating boils down to racism. A lot of Asian women are saddled with the "dragon lady" stereotype, particularly those who are close enough to their Asian culture to be less outwardly emotional than your typical American. The lack of emotion and Asian appearance get together, and folks assume that there's a calculating, cold, evil bitch from the Planet Ming standing in front of you, rather than a typically quiet, introverted Asian girl.
Before everyone attacks, I do realize that VictorYA! possessed some character flaws that are uniquely her own, and showed up especially when she was working on "Team Ricky" a few episodes ago. Also, please know that I say this not as an accusation against anyone in particular but as a realization that I've been known to react this way myself in the past.
Okay, start throwing that rotten fruit my way; I can take it.
"First off, he made skinny jeans, which is hardly unique. He put buttons on the buttons. Not unique. I agree- brilliant to make the legs out of sleeves. (Though Chris joked that all pants are is two big sleeves put together.) But if mass marketed, they would cut a leg pattern and not use the sleeves. Then his jacket was basically a puffy sleeved jacket,"
EXACTLY. From Jeans and jackets he made ... jeans and a jacket.
OH MY GOD, he made the pant legs out of SLEEVES!!!!
First, I think making them run for material is asinine and unfair, and shows a clear bias against the heaviest guy, Chris. I bet that the judges have a real prejudice against his size, seeing as they are all just the perfect 2, or 4 at the most.
But my second thought is that there is real hesitation on sending him home after seeing what he came up with last week - and I firmly believe that the over-the-top shoulder piece was all Chris M. He has a real vision, he is the one who will push fashion forward, not Christian, with his 80s reruns all of the time. So I think they will keep him around for Bryant Park, but no way will they give the fat guy the win. :( And I think he is the guy with the ability to make the most impact on fashion with his irony and his point-of-view.
It's possible that, as another poster has suggested, the Duchess has been fighting to keep VictorNo in the competition ... but s/he probably knew there was no way s/he could show up for work the next day after greenlighting that coat. And in other news ... why you all gotta hate on Ricky? Just because he pulled out of his ass the best-looking dress on the best-styled and accessorized model of this season? I agree Christian's jeans were innovative, but everything he does looks like everything ELSE he does. He's the Rami of the "Square Pegs" look.
Red7Eric said... Cathy: I don't get the hatred of Victorya. I do get why she is out.
Me: Okay, I'm ready for all the knives to be thrown my way, but I think a big reason for Ya-Ya-hating boils down to racism. A lot of Asian women are saddled with the "dragon lady" stereotype, particularly those who are close enough to their Asian culture to be less outwardly emotional than your typical American. The lack of emotion and Asian appearance get together, and folks assume that there's a calculating, cold, evil bitch from the Planet Ming standing in front of you, rather than a typically quiet, introverted Asian girl.
Red7Eric: I will respectfully disagree. NEVER once in all these posts, NEVER, (and I read them all) has ANYONE brought up the fact that Victorya's race has anything to do with anything. I've heard her compared to Vera Wang, but only because they resemble each other. I think you're really, really grabbing at straws to suggest that all of us don't like Victorya because of her race. That is patently absurd.
I agree with the judge's decision to send victorya home. There was so little design in it, she has no one to blame but herself. At least Jillian was trying to push the envelope. she took a risk and failed, but at least it was interesting.
I wasn't all that surprised that Ricky won. First, he's been in the bottom pretty much the whole competition. His dress is very marketable, and it was very cute. So that's what earned him the win for this challenge. I think Sweet P could also have won as well because her look was quite commercial as well.
I think my two favorite's were Christian's and Rami's (although I did really like Sweet P's) mostly because I thought both created garments that were truly innovative and just looked polished and fantastic on the runway. Ricky played to his strengths, but I didn't see that much innovation compare to the other top looks this week.
Also, Sweet P is really starting to turn out some good garments lately. Good for her!
Fashion Manifesto, you crack me up. Kushner reference and sock handed bitch slap, all in the space of two sentences.
As far as the supposed "Asian Girl Bias" by Red Eric...I don't buy it. On multiple levels. Even if we're talking stereotypical ethincally motivated quiet reserve (and should we be?), why did everyone still love Uli-schatzen last season?
Why? I'll tell you. Because she still had a good attitude, turned out good stuff, seemed to actually like the female form, got what the competition was about and "made it work," had a specific and wildly creative personal aesthetic, and worked well with others.
Victorya had none of the above, and not a bit of it had to do with her ethnic identity or lack of perceived emotion, whether or not the latter has anything to do with the former (and I think Margaret Cho might argue that it doesn't).
God I love the idea of using the sleeves for the pant legs. It's so cool, totally would have won if not for the Levi.com mass market sell-ability that was needed to win - which really, I think should have been told to the designers, many of the might have gone a different way. Ricky's was the only one easy to mass produce, likeable by all kinds of women, and that was clearly made out of 501s (hence the winner.) I think that last bit was probably the most important factor this time around, sadly.
That said, I'm kind of glad that they didn't tell them because that way we got pure innovation and creativity like Christian's out of this challenge. Additionally, I have to say, just because he made the legs out of actual sleeves doesn't mean that they would be made that way if produced by Levi's, it's just the style of the sleeves that they would have had to copy. That means that those jeans could have been worn by all kinds of sizes.
Victorya's outfit was so sadly uninspired, I agreed with the auf for sure. The fact that both she and Jillian did a similar style coat as they did last challenge bothers me as well, that just seems so lackluster, like they were both trying to bank on something they knew the judges liked before. I'm glad they were the bottom two.
Rumor has it that Victorya left the set in a snit and was hunted down and basically dragged back to finish filming after she was eliminated. This rumor has been circling the internets for the last couple of weeks. Does anyone know any facts or is this just gossip?
Victorya's exit interview does not even hint at any anger toward PR. Though I do find it very telling that she mentions that she will only stay in contact with Christian and Jack. Should make for an interesting reunion show this year.
Speaking as someone who never was a big fan of Victorya, I think she's getting kind of a bum rap on her character.
The truth is based on the editing I don't think you can really fully assess her character except she's passive agressive. You can make similar comments about Rami, Jillian and some of the other designers. We only know the tv personas that have been created or not created. In that respect, she has failed to connect with a lot of the audience it seems.
But consider the fact that Elisa became good friends with her. And Christian also clearly cares about her. The fact that 2 such disparate people are able to bond with Victorya supports the idea that we really don't know this woman.
For those who say she is an awful person to be teamed up with. Ricky was the only person out of 4 people who did not like working with Victorya. That has happened before. 2 people bringing out the worst in each other.
That said it did seem like she didn't really try on this challenge and deserved to be auf'd
Ding dong indeed! Thank God the bitch is dead (figuaratively speaking, of course).
I must admit that I had read some spoilers/speculation that this was going to happen, but I still feared for our Chris until the Teutonic Goddess announced he was safe. Phew!
As for Ricky's win, I totally called it. For some reason, I kept thinking about Tim's pre-season comment that there was a challenge after which he told the winning designer that he (Tim) couldn't believe that he (the designer) had won for his sub-par design, and I just knew we hadn't yet seen that challenge. Well, last night's was it. Check out Tim's blog for proof.
And for those of you still wondering why Miss Jack was trashing Chris and the other designers in the press, the last three episodes are all the reasons you need. In successive episodes, three members of his "cool kids" clique were auf'd (deservedly so!) It must be killing him that the "un-cool" kids are ruling the school. Tough shit, pretty boy (girl?)! That's life in the real world!
Didn't they all look like they were FREEZING outside that warehouse? Can any of you recall a cold day in May or June that would have generated those shivers?
Having yet another challenge where they make Chris run to gather materials is just sadistic.
Not much to say about V's aufing except that her coat thingy was truly auful and deserved to be rejected.
This was actually the third time Victorya reversed the fabric- she did it on the Weight Watchers challenge and the Hersheys challenge as well. It looked bad all three times.
I like that Victorya just left the runway silently rather than choke out a silly, insincere self-affirmation speech. As a mark of respect for her restraint I will stop capitalizing the "y" in her name.
Of course I was happy to see Victorya lose. Everyone in the room cheered when Chris was safe because we knew Vicky was auf'ed and rightly so...Jill has terrible time management and I kind of hate her too, but she's a good designer...if a bit short-sighted. I was so happy to see Ricky win. Of course it was a bone, but the dress was pretty cute and more importantly, suited Levi's mass produced clothes. And unlike Andre, Ricky's tears are usually genuine. This week, I could really see his effort to hold back lol. He's a cutie...maybe a bit cloying, but sort of loveable.
I think the overall feel of VictorYa's garment was more of a shirt dress. That's an iconic design - she should not have called it a trench coat.
Anyone else surprised that she feels so close with Christian? I get the feeling that neither of them care for any of the other designers - plus he's fun and she's not.
I am happy for Ricky though I'm not sure his was the best of the little "blue" dresses.
And for those of you still wondering why Miss Jack was trashing Chris and the other designers in the press, the last three episodes are all the reasons you need. In successive episodes, three members of his "cool kids" clique were auf'd (deservedly so!) It must be killing him that the "un-cool" kids are ruling the school. Tough shit, pretty boy (girl?)! That's life in the real world!"
YES, it does explain a lot, doesn't it? I hope Chris is one of the final three or even four.
red7eric said A lot of Asian women are saddled with the "dragon lady" stereotype, particularly those who are close enough to their Asian culture to be less outwardly emotional than your typical American...typically quiet, introverted Asian girl
The only one I see here indulging in stereotypes is you, dear.
What about "Asians are fierce?" Isn't that racist, too?
Excited? She was excited!!?? Wow... you really couldn't tell. Why did we not see her with Christian? (she smiles! Laughs!) Because I have no idea what their 'commonalities' are, Bravo. I have NO IDEA!
With slightly less stress (and slightly more liquor/fun) the 'game' would be so much more entertaining. Now people are mean, not bitchy. There's less friendship, less risk taking (and risk reward) A little bit can go a long way, Bravo. A few tweeks and S5 could be amazing.
"the producers had to spend a lot of extra time making Xtian look extra pricky diva"
It doesn't take much. I don't mind him when he brags about his own skills, ego is a given in this business, but I cannot stand that offended look he gets whenever someone else gets even a modicum of praise. You may be good, Christian, but you aren't the only one.
While I agree with the auf' I am a bit sorry to see Victorya go. I enjoyed her work and own the dress and vest she did for Bitten, which is really quite flattering. I thought her work was a bit reminiscent of Street Life (anybody remember that store?). Even this garment had some merit. On the subject of Victorya "copying" Jillian: I think Jill was getting a touch paranoid. Nobody owns the patent on trench coats and having been handed denim to work with,it isn't any wonder that more than one designer would do a jacket. Further more Jillians was much better.
Yomonda, no one had made any terrible rasist remarks on this thread, but there were some really disgusting things written on the Prom thread that had to be removed.
Wow. Vya left in the PR equivalent of 'suicide by cop.' She gave up. That thing she sent down the runway was unbelievable -- even before I realized that she didn't make the jacket portion.
And even though this is supposed to be re: Vicky's post, I must add that I do NOT see what the BFD is about Chickenugget using sleeves for pants. ??? So what? The end result was still skinny jeans, now with buttons. And we've seen pants with buttons at the bottom many times before. Pants = Eh. Jacket = fugly
what does puzzle me is the importance/meaning of the concept of "iconic" to the challenge last night. Once again we were not given a clear explanation and looking at the results I am not sure the designers were:
Jillian (fugly) futuristic coat (not iconic, surely the antithesis of iconic) Rami: nicely made and the zipper thing was clever (I actually didn't really like it) but how was it supposed to be iconic Chris - LBD, ok, iconic. He did do the whole cocktail thing which did stop it from just being a denim dress. Sweet P: cute but as she said herself hardly iconic. Christian: clever but again not iconic. Maybe, maybe the trucker jacket but the "motorcross jean" Ricky: cute and iconic (corset). VictorYA: awful but iconic
I just can't stand the way the judges enforce the rules of the challenges only if they feel like it. Or is it the producers. Sorry for the long post. Feel free to not read it!
Is it just me, or did she totally look like she couldn't give a crap that she was leaving last night. When Tim came in and said "go clean up your stuff," she was like "i don't want a group hug." Beeatch. Glad to see ya go!
I wasn't thinking On the Town when the designers arrived at the warehouse. I was thinking West Side Story
Why does this make me want to rewrite "Levon" by Elton John?
Heidi wears this week's dress like it's skin She calls her boobs "knockers" (Cause she likes the stares) And she puts 'em in the tightest tops in town. Heidi, Heidi likes her cleavage...
And it must scream "Levi's" And it must be a great look And it must scream "Levi's" And then one of you will get the hook....
I wasn't a fan of Victorya's design aesthetic, but was never on the hate train as far as her personality. The depth of dislike for her is interesting.
It was clear she was going to go from the edit so it was no surprise at the end. Plus that dress looked like she thought she could skate through on past performance. Bad decision (even if not made at 3 am) when there aren't many designers left. The aufing made sense. The win on the other hand . . . .
Hello bitches- you are right on point with your analysis. The only thing that would have made me happier than Victorya leaving was if her and Jillian got aufed together!!!! Jillian is next. But honestly, did you see the looks on Rami and Christian's faces when Ricky crybaby won????? They are both a little too sure of themselves. And I love Chris's sense of humour, since he came back he seems a little shy with it, I say let it rip, the most entertaining shows were when Santino was ripping everyone!! The only design I really loved was Sweet Pea's she is really starting to get more confident and the competition goes on. Do I think she will be in the final three, maybe, will she win, I don't think so!! Till next week.....
red7eric said... Okay, I'm ready for all the knives to be thrown my way, but I think a big reason for Ya-Ya-hating boils down to racism.
Well I am NO fan of YaYa, but it is my reaction to the way she is portrayed on teevee, not some anti-Asian bias. She strongly reminds me of passive aggressive people I have had the misfortune to have worked with in the past.
So when YaYa kept calling Sweet P 'Kit' was it innocent or was it intentional? When YaYa changed her garment without discussing it with Ricky, the team leader, what was that? When she had immunity and dawdled by adding detail to the back of a blouse which would be covered by a coat, was she trying to set Jillian up to fail to get the surprise RTW look done?
Sorry, I just don't buy the "Everybody hates me because I'm not emotional" theory.
Bzzzzt Wrong! Johnny, tell him about our lovely parting gifts...
Boy, after reading these comments, Victorya better wear dark glasses for a while. (OK, she's gone, but why all the mean spiritedness?)"
mob mentality. the majority of commenters here love to hop on the bandwagon when someone makes a witty insult about someone, and then congratulate themselves about how funny they're all being.
i mean, wtf. is victorya an evil person? is she a really horrible designer? no and no. what did she ever do wrong? she argued with ricky, a designer whose aesthetic can benefit from some criticism, and she won a challenge with a dress that many viewers didn't like because their own aesthetic is purely middle of the road. jay loved her prom dress, and so did the judges. i loved it too and i was surprised to see so much frothing at the mouth hate over it, but it just confirms my suspicions that most viewers simply aren't in tune to what's good and what's bad. i think victorya has a great deal of talent, but the commenters here clearly prefer to believe that her basis for being on the show has to do with the fact that (they think) she looks like vera wang.
yeah, her outfit this time around truly sucked, so yeah, she deserved her auf. but whatever. ripping on her for having the nerve to use dark wash and make a trenchcoat? you're really stretching, folks.
I am thinking that the whole taking them to the warehouse was away of making the product, product, product placement more subliminal. Like they did with the Slim-fast with the "What's the Skinny" episode. The PP is getting a bit annoying. What are they going to do next? An iconic dress out of Kotex maxi pads? Have Sallie Field on as a judge and make a dress for patients with osteoporosis because Boniva comes on board?LOL I think there was also an element of what BigAssBelle said: Fatxploitation. It pains me when people say anything negative about Chris's size. We are here. We are big. We are proud and we are loud. And a bunch of us are happy that way and think that we are fierce just the way we are, and people should stop judging people on their size. And stop using perceived health status to justify their prejudice.There, off my soapbox and on to the fashion. Victorya with a Y's offering was in my opinion lazy.She barely had to do anything to the jacket she started out with. That would have taken anyone with sewing experience 4 hours at most to make. With the exception of the outfit she did last week with Jillian have not seen her do anything I liked. Love, Milla
"sewing siren said: Yomonda, no one had made any terrible rasist remarks on this thread, but there were some really disgusting things written on the Prom thread that had to be removed."
I saw those remarks too. And they weren't just on that thread. Fortunately Tlo removed them pretty quickly. So, there has been an undercurrent.
Let me just say that when I saw VictorYA's oddly fugly thingy going down the runway I almost started yelling I was so happy that she is FINALLY AUF'D!!
jay loved her prom dress, and so did the judges. i loved it too and i was surprised to see so much frothing at the mouth hate over it, but it just confirms my suspicions that most viewers simply aren't in tune to what's good and what's bad.
Or else it speaks to the fact that people have different opinions and aesthetics, and that's okay. I think that's more likely than it being definitive proof that you're the arbiter of good taste and the rest of us are deluded.
"anon: I think that's more likely than it being definitive proof that you're the arbiter of good taste and the rest of us are deluded."
sure, taste is subjective and everyone is entitled to his opinion. but if you're trying to tell me that everyone's opinion holds equal weight and value -- i don't buy it. my belief is that jay's opinion about fashion trumps yours any day. and that's all i have to say about that.
and yes, there certainly has been an undercurrent of racism in these anti-victorya threads. pity that certain people think they can simply erase the word "asian" from their "victorya is an evil vera wang DRAGON LADY!" comments and that doing so makes everything acceptable.
A few weeks ago, I read a former reality contestant's opinion that sometimes, in these competition shows, the contestants might feel overwhelmed at the experience and stress. Then they might sabotage themselves to get themselves out of there. (Sorry, forgot who said it and what show it was.)
I couldn't help but think that maybe VictorYa might have done just this.
red7eric: Re:-racism. Your thoughts are honest. It does happen, unfortunately. No rotten fruit coming from my direction.
I don't think race has anything to do with it. The whole competition, she kept saying how competitive she was -- maybe that was at her own peril. I think she was very rigid in what she would and would not do, which is kind of the opposite of what PR is about, no? You're supposed to get out of your comfort zone every once in a while. Plus, in the real fashion world (not that I have any experience there), you would think that it would be important to be flexible and be able to work well with others. Which she does not.
If you read Tim's comments, it seems that this was the challenge where he was so sure Ricky would go, and then Ricky pulls off the win.
Yep, I think this was it. Ricky would also be one to agree with Tim's comment afterwards, "You know, I'm stunned that you won" than others (I'm looking at you, Christian/Rami).
Victoyra has been bitch-edited, but her personality just isn't great for TV. I also almost fell asleep watching her exist videos. (The Team Runway guys snark on her "attention to words" during interviews... or maybe it was genuine respect).
She's made some interesting friends -- Christian and Jack? Both of them seem to have a sense of entitlement. That being said, I've seen pictures of them around town with Kevin, but Victoyra's never included.
Did anyone notice how nasal her voice was during her exit interview? Made me wonder if the rumors about her meltdown were true. She seemed sedated, too.
Oh my, I just saw the close-up view of how she applied the extention on the the cf of the existing jean jacket to make the lapels and *then* didn't have a facing, just turned the raw edge to the front! No, no, no. Jillian, this was nothing like your jacket.
"anon: I think that's more likely than it being definitive proof that you're the arbiter of good taste and the rest of us are deluded."
So why do you come to this blog?
Because I find TLo absolutely hilarious (who doesn't?). That's 99.9% of the reason that I come here. I enjoy reading the comments and finding out what everyone else thought, and discussing the episodes, but that's entirely secondary.
The original anonymous commenter to whom I was responding wasn't TLo, so to respond to my comment to them with "so why do you come to this blog?" just doesn't make a lot of sense to me when it's not their blog and I don't come here because of them. JMO. I come here for TLo, but I do enjoy reading and responding to everyone else. I shouldn't come here because I disagree with what another commenter thinks? OtherAnon said that they loved Victorya's prom dress and were surprised at the hate for it, but takes that as proof that the vast majority of viewers just aren't in tune with what's "good" and "bad." (I'm paraphrasing here.) I disagreed with that premise.
But I think we can all agree that Victorya's trench was heinous.
Let's try that one more time: EXIST INTERVIEW = EXIT INTERVIEW.
The part about Victorya having her own show at fashion week? That was part of the rumor around her meltdown over being auf'd from PR. Supposedly she refused to have anything further to do with the show. I guess she was under contract to do her medicated, teary-aftermath EXIT interview.
As far as Victorya getting tangled up in some "dragon lady" stereotype, I don't see it. Dragon ladies breathe fire, and I just don't see anything fiery about Victorya. If she falls into a stereotype, it might be "shy girl that everyone assumes is stuckup because she's not fun like the other girs." I don't know if she's shy, but she comes across as rather aloof. BTW, I don't think it was particularly bitchy to call Sweet P "Kit" -- even the second time. That's called "your brain on major sleep deprivation."
As for Jay's opinion of fashion being more valuable than the average blog commenters: This is why "proof by appeal to authority" is a logical fallacy. Yes, an expert's opinion has more weight than a layperson's -- but experts are not infallible. And some aesthetic sensibilities are more informed than others (see: Tim Gunn) but there is no objective "good" aesthetic sensibility that we all do our best to approach.
I don't suppose it ever occurred to you that most people just don't like a person who doesn't smile very often or was passive agressive or a poor teammate. All of these have been suggested before. But noooooooo. It's gotta be about race.
Well honey, that's all you. Stop projecting your baggage on the rest of us, please.
Bitchesdye: The only one I see here indulging in stereotypes is you, dear. What about "Asians are fierce?" Isn't that racist, too?
1) I stand by my assertions. They certainly don't apply to everyone who has criticized VictorYA!, but I do believe that the majority of us would have reacted differently to her if she were similarly introverted, blonde, and blue-eyed. Contrary to popular belief, most racists aren't foaming-at-the-mouth, blatantly offensive good ol' boys in white robes; rather, the vast majority are those who believe themselves to be utterly free of racial bias, but unconsciously evaluate people of color using different criteria than they apply against white people. If this isn't you ... okay. But I think that's what's going on for a lot of people, here and elsewhere.
2) "Asians are fierce" is absolutely a racist statement and not one of Christian's finest moments. But Lord knows I've said some stupid and terrible things in my lifetime, so -- after taking into consideration his age and deep desire to shock and entertain everyone around him -- I've forgiven the little pudd'n and hope he grows out of it soon.
I actually have a bit of a hard time disliking Victorya because she bears such a strong resemblance to one of my best friends -- she looks like her and if I closed my eyes, I'd think it was my friend speaking. Their voices are really similar.
That said, I still don't like her. I didn't have any opinion one way or another until the team challenge with Ricky, but since then she's annoyed me greatly. I'm the same way with Rami -- didn't have a problem with him until last week when he was teamed with Sweet P, and now I can't stand him.
Jay loved her prom dress, and so did the judges. i loved it too and i was surprised to see so much frothing at the mouth hate over it, but it just confirms my suspicions that most viewers simply aren't in tune to what's good and what's bad.
I guess you don't much like Tim Gunn, do you. He also was shocked by the judges' decision, according to Tim's Take.
I disliked Victorya's occasional passive aggressiveness. Being reserved may not make good teevee, but if that's her, that's her. Maybe because she's a blank canvas, people are painting the picture they want to see.
OTOH, she's had claws appear at different times. They certainly gave her the B edit last night, between the insisting that those jeans on the floor were hers, the eye-rolling over the assignment, the trenchcoat after Jillian chose to do it, etc. And even though I dislike Ricky, her passive aggressiveness was irritating in that team challenge. She didn't want to be leader, but she didn't want to be led either. I thought it ironic that Ricky was right -- she was trying to smash her model's boobs instead of fitting the outfit to the breast.
"lou said: I guess you don't much like Tim Gunn, do you. He also was shocked by the judges' decision, according to Tim's Take.
I disliked Victorya's occasional passive aggressiveness. Being reserved may not make good teevee, but if that's her, that's her. Maybe because she's a blank canvas, people are painting the picture they want to see."
i like tim gunn all right. i don't keep up with his blog, so all i know of his opinions is the advice he gives on the show. it's more that i don't much respect the opinions of those who get totally freaked out by silhouettes and colors not typically used in mainstream fashion, which is why i don't value commenters' opinions about "boob smashing" and "bedazzling."
nonetheless, i would respect their opinions more if it weren't so obvious that they were, as you noted, drawing their own assumptions about someone's personality from an almost blank canvas. i mean seriously. "victorya didn't want to touch anyone when she was aufed because she's such a bitch." "victorya looked sideways all shifty when she was talking about her dead mom, so she was probably lying." "victorya used a dark wash and made a trench coat so she was obviously copying chris and jillian and she's a dishonest copycat." "victorya didn't want to be team leader yet she didn't agree with ricky so she's such a passive aggressive whore." "victorya has claws, flicking eyelids, and evil stares!" like honestly. i know most of you are a hell of a lot older than i am, but from the general tone in here and the (in)validity of the comments, i feel like i'm back in middle school. is she spewing wendy pepper hate everywhere? no, right? so why don't some of you save your hatred for someone who actually warrants it?
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Buh bye Yayaya.
Don't let the door hitcha where the good Lord splitcha, Miss Passive Agressive
She did that reverse thing in the Hershey's challenge too, where it almost auf'd her.
It looks like she just took parts of her Hershey challenge and coupled it with last weeks coat and boom...bad outfit.
I was glad to see her go as well. Especially since I was bummed that Ricky won (I thought both Rami and Sweet P out-designed him). Her auf-ing made his win worth it.
GOOD RIDDANCE!!
And it helped that the outfit was FUGLY!
Thank you judges for finally given Victorya the boot, and not the win, for her simple, soulless garments.
I am thrilled to see Victorya leave. Thrilled, I tell ya! Thrilled! I don't like her, I don't care for her design aesthetic, and her denim coat sucked swamp water. I mean, yeesg. It was truly awful, in both design and construction. Personally, I wish both she and Jillian could have been bounced just for being so damn derivative of last week's design.
Copycats! Copycats!
Hmmm, I have to wonder if I'm the only one around here who didn't just hate Vera-lite. While I like the work of other remaining designers more (and I miss Kit), I wasn't dying for her to leave (while RICKY is still there. Oy.)
Of course, the trench was a hot mess, and she deserved the auf.
I was so worried when Chris was on the runway, I kept thinking "This is it, his second auf-ing and he wont' come back this time." I didn't think Jillian's was bad enough to go home, I thought Victorya's was the worst, but she has typically been a "judge's favorite" so I didn't think they would send her home. I was so relieved when Chris was safe!
Victorya went home, and deservedly so. The fact that she didn't' even design the most difficult part of her garment was just silly, and then to just flip jeans inside out and sew it on, ick! I was so irritated when the judges commented that they didn't know what she did with her time, but she mentioned in response that she was busy the whole time sewing. Sewing what? It was just a disaster.
NO SHIT!!! She looked like a pouting , angry child/teenager through the ENTIRE challenge. Check out your first (scene from A Chrous Line) photo. What a grump! I kept thinking it was like she just gave up. But I think your Dr. TLo psychoanalysis is probably more on the money. Nevertheless, YES, she totally deserved the aufing, was up next to Jillian w/ the coat issue...the drama..the DRAMA! She was also a pouty snotty child during the aufing. Good riddance! She's the only designer I really have not liked this season.
OMG!! When Chris was "in" and those two girls were left standing I was STUNNED. Of course, I thought to myself, "I hope the boys post early tomorrow because this is a shocker!!" Couldn't wait to read your take on it.
She avsolutely deserved to be auf.
Chris also seemed very surprised to be in. I'm so happy he's still in it!
Thanks for the post!! :)
I think if she had Bedazzled it as she did her prom dress she would have been safe. When in doubt, Bedazzle.
Did it seem like Tim Gunn had a difficult time trying to act sad to send off the clean up her work space?
At last! A judging decision that made sense! But how much heartbreak do you think the judges went through in having to auf Victorya? She was their pet after all.
But she really put no design thought into this. I could have added a skirt to an already made jacket and called it a day. (Hmm, maybe I should do that with the poodle skirt I am putting together for my daughter)
So good bye Victorya.
Ding-dong the witch is dead!
Oh, that was satisfying (and I needed some satisfaction after seeing Cryboy win).
Mr. profp and I clapped with glee when Sissybear was allowed to leave the runway.
Mr. profp and I held our breath as the ominous Aufing Soundtrack played (reverb much?).
And then JUMPED UP when Jillian was able to leave.
Ya-YA deserved to go - couldn't believe she just added stuff to that jacket! Truth is, she will probably do just fine in her career, but I think your armchair analysis is spot on - rather than admit this was out of her comfort zone and take a risk, she played the Passive-Aggressive card - it was almost as if she was saying "Go ahead - auf me - I dare you.
Very satisfying episode.
p.s. I thought Sweet P's design was beautifully done, and what was up with Sister Christian? He was pissed that he didn't win!
I feel like the judges are finally on track.
By the way, neither Victorya NOR Jillian should have done a trench coat the week after they did a trench coat.
I thought it was so weird for her to say about Victorya "I didn't know she had any interest in coats." WTH?
Anne
And here I never thought the jacket Victorya used as a base (I own one of them, alas, alack) could be more unflattering than it comes from the factory. How meager my imagination was!
Oh, and did you see the boob smashing shirt that Victorya wore to the runway?
Anne
Were any of the designers sad to see her go? It didn't seem that way. This was definitely the right decision, but I don't get Ricky's win at all. You could have bought his outfit back in 1995 at The Buckle. The judges were so happy that something he made fit that they threw him a pity win.
ah.. the tide is turning. Ricky for the win, and ViYA is auf.
who could have called this??
We were already mourning the loss of Sissy, and getting our big 'ol panties in a wad over it, since we KNEW they would never send their passionless pets home....then BAM!
it's a good thing.
-R
TLo said:
"Was she smoking crack? What would make her think that the judges wouldn't call her on that?"
Oh you know the answer... HUBRIS. In big ol' piles.
Since episode one, she has been so over-confident and full of herself that there was never a single time where she rethought anything, edited herself, or reconsidered a poor decision.
Add to that her UTTER DISDAIN for every single challenge, and I wonder why she ever auditioned to be on the show at all.
Yes, VictorYa, you will be asked to use weird materials. Yes, VictorYa, you will have to design things other than a short, sleeveless a-line. Yes, VictorYa, some of the challenges will seem "beneath you". This is the fun of it all.
She clearly wasn't having fun, and it showed.
Christian, as much as he complains (on camera), understands the point of the show... work within bizarre confines, make new and exciting looks, and have a blast. I sometimes wonder if anyone else gets this. Certainly not Ya Ya.
No comments about the outpouring of emotion and warmth when Jillian hugged Ya on her way off the runway? I swear, it looks like frost forms on them when they hug.
Ms_flyover said...
"Hmmm, I have to wonder if I'm the only one around here who didn't just hate Vera-lite."
No, you're not the only one. I was indifferent to her before, but felt she deserved the auf-ing this time. Was it Nina who said her garment was uninspired? That is perhaps the best way I can think to describe it. It didn't look like she even tried.
Oh, and did you see the boob smashing shirt that Victorya wore to the runway?
I will admit... I have not yet once noticed VictorYa's breasts, smushed or otherwise.
Especially not after last night, and Heidi in her HOLY-EFFING-SHIT, LOOK-AT-THAT-AMAZING-GERMAN-CLEAVAGE!!!!!! outfit.
Woo hoo! What a good episode, those jackets were foul.
"We're designing cement galoshes."
"Wanna see my foot?"
Have a great weekend everyone!
Now we have a sneak preview of what (two things) be making an appearance in an Alex! comic this week. ;)
I wound up liking this challenge as well! Victorya's loss was deserved. Too bad for me though. For some reason, early on I picked her to go all the way on Fantasy Runway, even though, looking back I didn't like many of her designs at all.
Boy, after reading these comments, Victorya better wear dark glasses for a while. (OK, she's gone, but why all the mean spiritedness?)
In addition to Tom and Lorenzo's expert analysis, I think Victorya also lost sight of the marketability factor here.
If she had used ONLY the reverse of the denim, it might've worked, but Levi's would never have SOLD it that way.
I can't recall if the "limited edition sale" was mentioned before the runway, but either way she should've thought about the idea of selling it commercially.
YA deserved it after she almost bit Chris's leg off for trying to touch her ill-fated pair of dark wash over there in the warehouse.
A deserved aufing this week, PR bitch fans. This was one heinous garment. And what work did she do? Really? ugh ugh ugh ugh GACK
That having been said - or groaned or choked, whatever - I was still very surprised at YaYa's auf because it looked like M Kors really really liked her point of view and was going to fight for her to stay, and that Chris would get the auf. But I'm happy that Chris stays, he's the one I'd like to have lunch with of this group.
I have to add congrats to PR for 2 great challenges in a row. Interesting that only Christian did anything with the white cotton, but I know we'll have a session on that outfit shortly.
I am pleased to see this boob-squisher gone. It was really weird to see both her and Jillian do a coat after last week's challenge coat.
Can't wait to see your commentary on the winner for this week. Because I.... was.... SHOCKED!
Excellent challenge this week and some really impressed me: Ricky's was very sexy and fresh, Rami's was edgy in an angry peanut way and I covet Sweat Pea's design, I could actually look super cute in it!
For once I agree with the judging completely.
I'll admit that it's a little hard to tell because she keeps her emotions so close to the vest, but my guess is that Victorya's problem was exhaustion. I think if she'd had more sleep, she'd have come up with something. She did get boxed in by her initial decisions, but that, too, is more likely to happen when you're very tired.
I only sort of get the Victorya hatred. She comes off as emotionally flat, so she doesn't bring the drama, and it's hard to find real substance to bitch about, and we all love to bitch, so we don't like her. But I don't think she's overly proud or stuck up: I just think she's reserved. It's hard to imagine missing her much, and it's hard to imagine being outraged (or surprised) by her dismissal, but it's equally hard for me to work up much dislike. Some people just don't put themselves out there.
"tlo said: Couldn't they just take them to the Levi's store in Soho?"
Hellooo!! I found that mystifying as well. And as soon as the door opened & I saw all that fabric in the distance, all I could think was: Poor Chris, they're going to make him sprint across the abyss again.
Victorya's coat was absolutely awful. It was so discombobulated that it looked like it was made in the sunroom at Bellevue, by someone who was off their meds. Too bad they don't have hospital bracelets on the Blue Fly wall. That might have helped.
--GothamTomato
Oh, Alex.. you hetero you! *giggle*
Yes, I'm overflown with joy that she's auf'd. Mr. Lelê looking at me like I was crazy when I jumped and clapped at her auf'ing.
It made up (maybe) for Ricky's win. I mean...really? I'll save my comments for when you post about him.
Good morning, peoples! :-)
One other thought - I hope somebody picks her model, Jacqueline, next week, because she is goooood.
That was a very satisfying episode:
Great cuts of Christian being immature. Dirty 'P' feet. And Tim's quip, "We don't need to go meet someone fabulous, WE'RE fabulous!
Victorya always has an expression like she is smelling something bad. And this time what smelled bad was her uninspired garment.
She looked so surprised and uncomfortable when Christian hugged her good-bye.
all I could think was: Poor Chris, they're going to make him sprint across the abyss again
I made that very comment to my partner, who had come into the TV room for his weekly forty-five minutes of putting-himself-through-reality-TV-that-he-can't-stand-in-hopes-that-it-will-make-me-decide-to-sit-through-six-hours-of-Wagner-next-spring time.
As if.
Ricky's win was a little whatevs because I thought Christian's was so good. But considering his history with Victorya and her throwing him under the bus in the fashion trends challenge it was a bit delicious, no?
I was convinced that Sissybear was going to be auf'd for good, but I was totally surprised to see Victorya and Jillian as the bottom two, if only because the judges have obviously liked their work in the past.
The stress of the competition seems more obvious, now, with Jillian's mini-meltdown, Ricky's tears, and Victorya's choices for this challenge.
Victorya seems to have a very set design aesthetic, and doesn't seem interested in thinking outside the box. that is definitely a no-no on PR.
Finally! A good episode!
Loved the two girls on the chopping block and I actually clapped when YaYa got the heave ho.
SweetP was robbed--that dress should have won.
I loved Heidi's dress during the judging--beautiful
YEAH! YA YA IS GONE!!
LMAO about New York New York--so true, so true.
Ok about Victorya---she deserved it. Actually, she deserved it a couple of times and it was only a matter of time before another sack dress did her in. And boy did this one do it. Damn girl just gave up didn't she? Its not unusual; actually expected from someone that is praised for picking up their scissors...that once out of the comfort zone its over--she was completely lost and instead of working through it she did the proverbial, "Screw you guys, I'm going home" childishness.
So I'm doing a dance that the bytch Victoria is gone!!
Besides that how many weeks have she and Sweet P been room-mates and she's calling her KIT???? BITCH!!!
Oh, and I should add that the producers had to spend a lot of extra time making Xtian look extra pricky diva just so no one would be THAT upset when he lost.
Does anyone else watch this show through the lens of "wonder what the Boys are gonna do with THAT"? ;)
When Heidi walked out in that T shirt at the beginning, it was as if you squinted, her boobs were staring at you. Well, not at me, at our Boys here. LOL
Best part of the episode? When YaYa proclaimed "No group hug" backstage after her auffing. It didn't exactly look like a line was forming, now, did it?
(Also, it looked as if she was saying "No group hug" not to avoid being overcome with emotion, but because she genuinely didn't want touch anyone else.)
In all fairness, she could have been hypnotized by the skirt Jillian was wearing -- what was with that? It looked like something from the clearance rack of the ME Escher collection.
Once again, she won the week before, last week she was on top, this week.... BAM she's gone.
Not that I minded much but it just doesn't seem to matter what you've done on previous challenges.
And Christian's model was his twin last night.
Jacqueline's boobs can breathe a sigh of relief....
The sad thing is, a properly constructed denim trench coat could have been fabulous.
Once Chris was safe, I figured Victorya was out -- the judges thought Jillian had some interesting ideas, but they had no half-praise for Victorya. I did think it would come down to her and Chris, though.
YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!
No more smashed bosoms. Breasts everywhere Thank You!!
That outfit was ass-tastic.
And what did they say about Sweet P last Night?? I believe the word was "spectacular."
That's weird ... I thought she only made CRAP?
Not to go to far astray here but one of Sweet P's great assets on the show is SHE LISTENS TO TIM. Every time. And every time, he's right. With everyone (also Ya's downfall). Tim Gunn for President!
Honesly, looking at the photos (didn't watch again). I don't see the "hot mess" that is Jillian's.
I guess I'll wait until T&Lo post more pics & details about it.
But Vicborya's..... UGGHHHH! WTF?
TG she's gone, I don't hate her, but she's boring and T&Lo nailed her (ha ha) in the Hershey's challenge "Well Tim, I LIKE my dress..." She's stubborn, passive aggressive, boring, and thinks anything other than an A-line, A-cup outfit is beneath her.
I'm so confused. The judges actually got it right for a change!
So, who else thought Ricky's win was a bone from the judges, now that there's no more immunity?
I am so happy today. I am so glad this witch is gone. She needed to go home long ago. She deserved it.
That coat was hideous. I don't think Chris should have been in the bottom 3 either. His was way better than most.
Buh bye.
An that is the last thought I'll ever give to V'ya.
Best line of the night came from my boy:
"If you can't accept that, then you refuse to learn."
Second best, from my boy again, "I thought we came to make rubber galoshes."
Tee.
Turthfully, every single one of them was as cranky as it gets. Tim was downright dour the entire time. They all seemed tired to me.
It seemed like everyone was exhausted and bitchy, except Rami, who was a complete crab in the last challenge. The pace is really beginning to tell.
Victorya, it seems was too tired to even have an idea or execute it. I completely agree with the judges on this one.
"What was the point to driving them out to that warehouse like they were going to bust a cap in their heads and dump them in the river?"
I know! What the hell was that about? (But, hey, welcome to Brooklyn, PR!)
As it's been mentioned, these designers don't want to take Tim's advice. Chris didn't and came close to being aufed. Victorya seemed slightly open to his comments but didn't take them to heart. Sweet P, on the other hand, really listened, and then transformed her wedding dress disaster into something that seems to have come close to winning. The moral: listen to Tim, designers!
i'm glad she's gone. but i'm pissed that Ricky won instead of Christian. that was bullshit.
the judges seemed to reveal that they were holding out for him to do something great. like they had an agenda not to let him go until they got what they wanted. granted, he did turn it out this week, but i've seen better. and it was not as innovative as christian's design.
One question, though: What was the point to driving them out to that warehouse like they were going to bust a cap in their heads and dump them in the river? Couldn't they just take them to the Levi's store in Soho?
THE POINT WAS TO SEE THE FAT BOY RUN AGAIN. fuckers.
This was a well deserved, though surprising, aufing.
That being said, pet peeve time: WHAT IS IT WITH DIRTY JEANS? Why is it stylish to wear jeans that look as if they've been pissed on? It is nasty, ugly, disgusting. One of the most repulsive fashion trends to ever come along. Nasty.
like this coat. big time fug.
i love chris.
The moral: listen to Tim, designers!
Kinda makes you wonder if Tim doesn't leave the workroom and run right to the producers, er, judges and say, "oh my god, you'll never believe what I just saw. . . ."
Christian took jeans and made ... new jeans.
Big whoop.
Ms Flyover, you're not the only one. I didn't care for her designs but I can't work up any passionate hatred for her or anyone else on the show.
Re Ricky's win: remember that whenever the winning design is going to be made in quantity and sold in a store, they NEVER choose the most fashion forward or complicated design. NEVER.
Why oh why don't people ever listen to Tim. He is always right. Always. Stupid contestants.
Um, don't think so. He took SLEEVES and made jeans out of them. Brilliant. But that's for another post I feel is coming any day now (can't wait!).
Yes, fists were punched in the air when Chris was told he was "in" and again when Victorya was "out". That was one hot mess.
It is most likely a product of the number of designers and the show's time limits, but it seems like they have finally winnowed enough out to start having fuller interviews, see more interaction between contestants and more of the design process. Basically, the things that I really like to see. Should be (more) interesting from here on out.
I am so happy! I could just smell Sweet P being fried....
And I have disagree with the judges decision.... it was Christians runway. I am in love with his pants.
I think making Chris run like that was pathetic. Poor thing. He couldn't do it. That is really unfair to him.
Ya Ya acts like a lot of the people in my own asian family. Very calm, very subdued, but it doesn't mean that they don't have very strong passions and dislikes. They express it by doing whatever it is that they think is right, no matter how many warnings you give them.
However, I'd have to say that given the choice between Jillian and Ya Ya, Jillian's melodramatics and whinging, along with her little cheat trick of buying new fabric for that little red Daytona 500 dress in the former fat lady contest showed a self centeredness that really turned me off.
So much to comment on....
Making Chris run across a warehouse for no apparent reason.
Chris saying someone needed to give Christian a bottle and put him to bed.
Jillian: "I am bleeding all over the place." Rami: "where? I don't see any blood."
Nina: "All of us girls, except Michael, would wear that dress." Michael: "With the right shoes!" Made me laugh.
Christian's face when he didn't win.
My favourite line of the night?
Nina: "I think any of us would wear it ... except Michael"
Kors: "With the right shoe!"
The Duchess CAN be funny without reference to 80s movies!
For me, it's never been Ya's reservedness that bugged me. It was her passive aggressiveness, snideness, holier than Thou (and when I say Thou I do refer to St. Tim Gunn) attitude. That is not very appealing and that rang true loudly. Quiet and reserved (like Stephen was alot of the time) isn't offputting but the other qualities are totally irritating.
Ah, virginia, you beat me!
Oh my! It never would have occurred to me to tack a skirt onto a ready-made jacket and call it good. Imagine how the garments would have looked had designers used this approach in the Hershey challenge. Models dressed in pillowcases. Also, just a thought:
alex! said...
... She clearly wasn't having fun, and it showed.
Bingo! No matter what was going on, what the challenge was, etc. Victorya didn't ever seem to be having a good time - even quietly. I think this affected her performance, and not in a good way.
Important as it is to maintain a focused competitive edge, having a sense of humor and for heaven's sake having fun are tools as important as the ability to drape. Those designers who are able to release their stress with laughter seem to respond to the challenges without profound suffering. (At least that is how the edits make it look.)
In my experience, there is a difference between being serious about your work, and taking yourself too seriously. That might be a lesson Victorya has yet to learn.
Rosie's Girl
anonymous said:
...but i'm pissed that Ricky won instead of Christian. that was bullshit.
the judges seemed to reveal that they were holding out for him to do something great. like they had an agenda not to let him go until they got what they wanted. granted, he did turn it out this week, but i've seen better. and it was not as innovative as christian's design.
Word. I really thought that Christian should have won this one.
As annoying as this kid can be, he can turn out some stunning work.
I liked Ricky's design, but I wasn't sure why the judges were so over the moon about it. since Levi's is doing a limited edition of the winning design, perhaps a dress is more what Levi's wanted.
ohmygod, i totally gasped on the runway at the sight of the two of them! that was soo intense!
"He took SLEEVES and made jeans out of them."
I know right? WTF?? It looked ridiculous.
I agree. The last thing we wanted to see in a denim jean challenge ... was some denim jeans.
He was very lucky, because YaYa got auf'ed for taking a jean jacket and making ... a jean jacket.
I watched it by myself last night...and spent the entire time talking to the TV.
Why make them run? It irritates me.
THIS EPISODE WAS FANTASTIC! Some bitchiness, Tim, Heidi's boobalicious outfit (seriously, did they use duct tape for those suckers?), meltdowns, and more than one outfit that I really loved.
I got not love or hate for Ya. But I kept shouting WHO IS IT GOING TO BE? the whole time. Delicious...
Two favorite lines:
"Somebody give him a bottle and put him to bed."
"Is my talking to my garment disturbing you?....I don't really care."
godDAMN I love you Sissybear.
PS Always listen to Tim. Always.
jackie,
fwiw, I loved Christian's sleeve jeans and thought he should have won over it! He also made a jacket (which I am looking forward to inspecting again when the photos come up).
At this stage of the competition, everyone has to play their "A" game. VictorYa struggled with this challenge, and it got her auf'd. I'm not sad about it, someone had to go and since she's not one of my faves, I'm not devastated that it was her. What pisses me off is that once again, Sweet P didn't get the win when she clearly should have. Most of those outfits were "Been there, done that." I've seen them all before, but love her or hate her, Sweet P's was different and gorgeous.
katiecoo:
"Does anyone else watch this show through the lens of "wonder what the Boys are gonna do with THAT"? ;)"
Yes, yes yes! Especially last night when my jaw hit my chest with shock and awe! Me coming up the elevator to work: "How soon before I can get to Project RunGay?"
oh dear I just realized how that makes my life sound.....
Here's another line for yous. Christian: "I feel so manly working with denim". Snort!
weirdly, this hideous piece of messss looked sacklike and awful just like all of VictorYa's other "garments"!
and enough with making the designers sprint to their materials - some Sissybears are clearly not designed for running. and it's not fair.
I thought Heidi's boobs looked a little smushed, actually (one looked like it was trying to escape).
And WHAT was with VYa's "backstory" - my mom is my inspiration because she made everything I ever wanted?
henh?
and armchair psychoanalysis: Passive Aggressive with the coat. VERRRRY passive aggressive with the coat. likewise the Fallen Jeans in the warehouse.
VictorYa made for dreadful television, regardless of her design abilities. Glad she's gone.
I was fine with Victorya throughout the competition. She always just struck me as specific & focused but not mena or evil as some saw her.
But she did desreve the auf'ing last night. She was the clear loser of the challenge.
phantomminuet, I LOVE your Doris Day avatar!!
Christian was the only one who made two pieces (I believe), and they were both pretty impressive. That alone tipped the scale for me over Ricky's, though his dress was so great with the nod to the button fly. Chris's extremely dated look was saved by Victorya's hideous craftsmanship and ill fated choice to flip the denim over.
another good episode. Two in a row! Both of those coats were horrid. (how was Jillian's "iconic"). I agree with the Duchess, the idea of a trench was good but WTF? Could she just not be bothered?
PS. Was it my imagination or did Christian say "thanks Timmy-Tim" to Tim last night?
If you read Tim's comments, it seems that this was the challenge where he was so sure Ricky would go, and then Ricky pulls off the win. That's interesting, because while I didn't think Ricky deserved the win, Victorya's was still much worse in my book.
bg said it looks like frost forms on them when they hug.
HA!!
kudos to tom in kc for the Escher comment - cracked me up.
I was glad to see VictorYa go. I never liked her designs nor her attitude. My partner was shocked and thought she was a better designer overall than Chris. Oh well, as Hiedi says "one day you are in and the next...you are OUT!" I will say that I thought Sweet P should have won.
btw - maybe it was the styling and the ponytail, but I was getting a Jennifer Lopez vibe off of the whole look. Anyone? Did JLo do a movie where she wore a trench or a denim jacket? She popped into my mind the moment the model hit the runway.
"BigAssBelle said...
One question, though: What was the point to driving them out to that warehouse like they were going to bust a cap in their heads and dump them in the river? Couldn't they just take them to the Levi's store in Soho?
THE POINT WAS TO SEE THE FAT BOY RUN AGAIN. fuckers."
Fuckers?
I don't like her and I was glad to seer her go. She didn't design anything. It's like she just gave up.
I made a dress similar to V-ya's in HS for a party. I took an old denim jacket and put a skirt on it.
Took 45 min.
Tops.
Hand sewn.
show of hands, how many posters own the album that is the title of the post?
and is just a coincidence that "Sympathy for the Devil" is one of the tracks?
Sweet relief! Buh-bye, Vicky!
The field trip premise was dumb, though. I thought maybe, when I heard it would be about denim, that they'd have a big old pile of confiscated fake designer jeans to use. Then the Port Authority setting would make sense, and they could slip in a socially conscientious pitch about the evils of buying fake merchandise.
But what they did was just stupid and, once again, offensive, making Chris run. I can't seem to recall sprinting being a part of any other season, and now they've done it twice. Boo hiss!
I was not a big fan of Victorya's designs at all. There has not been one thing that she put on the runway that I thought was cute. This is one aufing that I'm in complete agreement with.
Mariana (The Unoriginal) said...
I don't like her and I was glad to seer her go. She didn't design anything. It's like she just gave up.
I've just finished watching the exit videos and her attitude just pissed me off. Her complaint about having to design with denim, that her heart wasn't into it and that's why she lost is bullshit. So you're going to let yourself go simply because you don't like the challenge? That's ridiculous! I guess she didn't want Bryant Park that bad then.
come on people why all the anger? What did she ever do to you...just repeat....it's only tv, it's only tv!! And then you'll feel better. But seriously, I don't get all the fury that some people express over these silly designers. This ain't rocket science, it's a @#$%^&* reality show!!
That being said, you always know who's going bye bye when you hear about Mom (never a good sign!!)
I haven't read all 8 million comments, but I always wonder about the unanimity of the judges. They all came to the same conclusion about Ricky's dress? I think the reason he won is that was the most sellable garment for Levi's. Rami's would have been to expensive to duplicate, and only about 42 people in the entire country could fit into Christian's pants (the pair he designed...you knuckleheads...)
YAy YAy! VictorYA is out!! I never liked Ya, ya know!
Ooohhh Ricky, you're so lucky... but Rami's so bitch that I would be happy to see him drape his auf'ing away.
So now that Ya's out, can we bring back Kit?!?!
YES!!! Finally!!! Now if we could only get rid of Rami...The challenge sucked, I hate denim dresses. No matter what you do, they always end up looking tacky; well, Sweet P's is an exception.
" Crow Winters said...
Thank you judges for finally given Victorya the boot, and not the win, for her simple, soulless garments."
I have to say that I was shocked that the judges sent her home. Good, that means that they still have some integrity.
"only about 42 people in the entire country could fit into Christian's pants"
That's very true! They were a tad ridiculously impractical.
The judges certainly aufed the right contestant last night (tanks god).
I realize that these challenges have little bearing on the 'real world' of fashion design (?!?!), but a big part of why I watch the show is to see where the designers go, creatively, with absurd criteria.
Victoria didn't go anywhere last night. Except bye-bye of course, and deservedly so.
She struck me as someone who was silently willing the competition to conform to her comparatively narrow aesthetic. Her aesthetic will look incredibly dated in a few years...then where will she be?
I loved Christian's outfit, totally not getting the WTFs on that. I wouldn't be surprised if Levi's markets something like that.
(BTW, does anybody know what would happen if they did? Would the designers have any recourse, since everybody saw them think of it first on national TV?)
Having said that, Christian wasn't as original as he thought he was. I had that jacket in the 80's, but I loved the concept for the jeans and they looked really cool.
I didn't care for Victorya's personality, but mostly I wanted her to go because I was so sick of her not designing anything good. Ricky's been more "hit or miss" to me than consistently awful. And I felt his design was good last night, although Sweet Pea got robbed.
That Levis lady was nice, I want to go work for her. I loved teh way she commented intelligently on each of the top 4 outfits and their marketability.
The thing is, was Sweet Pea's dress really original? I could swear I've seen something like that. She couldn't have invented that pattern. Maybe that's why she didn't win?
God I'm all over the place with this. It's getting harder and harder for me to stay on topic! :)
Anne
Finally, a season four episode which left me smiling.
What a passive agressive bitch YaYa seemed. Did she actually think she could shovel that piece of shit down the runway, stand there with a blank look on her face and expect the judges to ooh and aah? Interesting to see the (non) reaction of her fellow designers at Tim's 'clean up your workspace' phrase.
Wave your little hand and whisper so long dearie; I should have said so long so long ago.
Hello Dolly
"No matter what you do, they always end up looking tacky; well, Sweet P's is an exception."
Sweet P's was a Marvel! I've quilted for 30 years and I know brilliant piecing when I see it. It was masterful. A clear stand out. I would have voted it the winner in a heartbeat.
i was really routing for miss yaya's auf last night. not just because of her design, but because of the lousy attitude she's had all season. then to see her play dirty with chris when they were picking out denim... well, routing turning into chanting. and once it was down to just her & jillian on the runway, i knew she was gone.
and i'm glad that jillian called her out for totally biting off her idea. i just wish she had done so to her face. would have made the show a bit more entertaining.
by the way, am i the only one who found victorya's talking head about her mom sewing up all her pretty clothes for her, a little disturbing? it just seemed... i don't know... spoiled? entitled? creepy?
anyway - glad to see her go!
Over 100 comments by 10am (MST). Guess this episode got us talking (you woulda thought Bravo read the last PRG post about the season and altered the episode)!
I don't think that jacket is redeemable on any level. As shown by the fact that judges, in the long run, far prefer Ya to Chris, but there were no excuses that could be made for this. It was just the very clear loser.
You know, she can say all she likes that it was because she didn't like the challenge, but if I were a designer, I'd be embarrassed to send something like that down the runway because I would take me work seriously, if not the project. My armchair psychoanalyst said, "Spoiled brat." She seemed more attached to her snobbery than her committment to her craft, and as an artist, I have no respect for that.
"(BTW, does anybody know what would happen if they did? Would the designers have any recourse, since everybody saw them think of it first on national TV?)"
The scandal would be earth-shattering. Elected officials would be impeached, nations would fall, global economies would collapse, people would put their arms in their pant legs and their legs in their shirtsleeves, dogs and cats would inherit the kingdom ...
VictoriYawn is finally gone. That's what she gets from stealing dark wash from SissyBear. Bitch.
They editing last night tried to get me to hate Princess Puffysleeves but I had none of it.
And Ricky - oh Ricky - "It feels like winning"... it IS winning. What did you expect it to feel like? Cashmere? Although - I imagine winning would feel like cashmere. But I digress, Ricky will go home next week and the world will be right.
PS - Anyone looking at Sweet P as the Kara Janx of Season 4? I bet she comes in fourth and puts on a kickass runway show.
"Anonymous said...
"only about 42 people in the entire country could fit into Christian's pants"
That's very true! They were a tad ridiculously impractical."
He designed FOR A SPECIFIC MODEL. That's her body. Are we going to start again with the whole models are too skinny bit?
Did anyone else get creeped out by the way YaYa keep shifting her eyes over to the side (inside of looking right into the camera) when she was talking about how her mother use to make her clothes? That is a very suspicious facial gesture to make. It made me not believe her.
are you guys fucking kidding about christian? his pants were so innovative, he used the SLEEVES OF THE JACKET. the entire design was amazing and executed to perfection. he should have won, for sure. you bitches better lose some weight if you think no one can fit into those pants, i know i can. the whole look was sooooooo high fashion. he's the only designer on the show with raw talent.
HATE. HER.
who? christian or victorya?
In the immortal words of Nelson: "Ha-HA!"
@homofascist: Funny meeting you here! I think Ricky's win basically came down to what Levi's felt they could produce and mass market in a low cost way. Rami and Christian's outfits were better but have a more limited appeal.
It was an implosion of epic proportions. Clearly, she hated having to work with such a "base" fabric as denim, and she passive aggressively worked herself out of the competition by producting a shit garment. And what the hell was she thinking making a coat?!
Ugh. So glad she's gone. My skin crawls when she gives her high and mighty, stick up the ass speeches about how great she is. Barf.
And, once more, my pick for the loser on Fantasy Runway turns out to be the winner. What is this weird voodoo thing I have? It's eerie.
Sweet P's was a Marvel! I've quilted for 30 years and I know brilliant piecing when I see it. It was masterful. A clear stand out. I would have voted it the winner in a heartbeat.
Hmmmm. Sure, it was a great dress, but are you telling me you got a good look at the guest judge and couldn't tell immediately that at some point in the past she and Sweet P had been in a bar fight over a man? Sure, she was all "great dress" during the judging, but that little comment about how it wasn't really 501 was a thinly veiled, "I still haven't forgotten that you slept with my man, bitch." Sweet P's lucky that judge wasn't packing heat.
Well, that's over and done with. Who's next? I noticed Rami has his Spring 2008 line up on his site, too. Could it be? Nah, it'll be Ricky. Or SweetP. Or...nah, it'll be Ricky.
One thing I particularly enjoyed about this episode is that we finally saw more banter between the designers. And that personality lite feeling that was so prevalent in past episodes started to fade.
I do wonder, as I mentioned on another post, what was up with Heidi's super sparkles. I really wish they'd dress her in an outfit that reflected the challenge. Of course, it's probably silly of me to think this way, but still...
On a more serious note, my bosom is back to happy heaving with Vya out.
Oh, and to comment on TLo's question about why they drove them to a warehouse: it's for the "drama." They're all scared shitless, thinking they'll have to make a dress out of Jersey's landfill or some shit like that. Taking them to the Levi's store would have been too much like the Hershey's challenge, and they had to throw in some kind of twist to get the designers' panties all in a bunch. And make them get filthy dirty, for whatever that added.
And why wasn't Heidi wearing jeans on the runway? That little sparkly dress was cute, but come on! Levi's is the sponsor and you can't wear some jeans? I thought that was sort of weird.
I don't get the hatred of Victorya. I do get why she is out.
Hmmm...I just watched her exit videos & to me, she looked and sounded more upset than anything else, so I don't get some of these comments.
And her lack of love for the challenge & the giving up; well, that's really a lot like Christian was in the prom challenge, except he found it in himself to rally, and she didn't.
They all look so exhausted at this point that, to me, it begs the question: Why don't they give these designers more time to sleep? They don't have to give them more time for the challenges. But, I think that giving them more down time might improve their creative output more than more work time.
--GothamTomato
Oh, and gracious hosts, do tell us how we're going to make it through until Feb 6 for our next real episode. WTF is up with that?
I doubt much would happen if Levi's were to market a look like Christian's. First off, he made skinny jeans, which is hardly unique. He put buttons on the buttons. Not unique. I agree- brilliant to make the legs out of sleeves. (Though Chris joked that all pants are is two big sleeves put together.) But if mass marketed, they would cut a leg pattern and not use the sleeves. Then his jacket was basically a puffy sleeved jacket, which is something he's made before and has certainly been around for ages.
I thought the outfit looked good, but it was awfully similar to the look he did in the makeover challenge.
Dang, I didn't want to comment on Christian on V-ya's.
Because I'm bursting with thoughts: I'm going to get them out now and not wait for every post to come from TLo:
Ricky: the winner?! Really? His dress was okay, but not that great. And geez! Get some meds, girlfriend. The crying is so annoying.
Rami: two words: Jeffrey Sebelia. He did those zippers in his final collection of Season 3.
Christian: I LOVE that he put the jacket sleeves on the bottom of the jeans. So inventive and really cool looking. However: the jacket? That is the third 80s inspired jacket he has made so far. Move on!
Jillian: Chris was right when he said that you should edit your design when you only have 10 frickin' hours to make something; and DO NOT repeat the exact same thing you made one week ago. Stupid.
Sweet P: I hated that dress. But I despise faded blue denim, so maybe that was my problem with it. And it had zero embellishment. I am shocked that Nina got so wet over it.
Chris: I liked it. I don't understand why they raked him over the coals like they did. And it wasn't any more "dated" than Ricky's dress or Christian's jacket.
Victorya: Total unadulterated FUG.
Okay. I'm done now.
It's ironic: she tried to avoid being team leader in two challenges, to avoid auffing. And got eliminated in a solo challenge.
"PS - Anyone looking at Sweet P as the Kara Janx of Season 4? I bet she comes in fourth and puts on a kickass runway show."
Me me me me me .. ooo, ooo, ME!!
"you bitches better lose some weight if you think no one can fit into those pants, i know i can."
Well smell you, Nancy Drew ...
I once used a pair of socks as oven mitts. Vogue was on the phone within the hour.
As pleased as I was with the judges' decisions this week (even Ricky, who I thought did a great job -- is this the first sign of the apocolypse?), I remain frustrated that they're always in total lockstep with each other. Would it be too much to ask that they offer somewhat differing opinions every once in a while? It's like they all share the same brain; it's creepy.
lemniscus said... " Excellent challenge this week and some really impressed me: Ricky's was very sexy and fresh, Rami's was edgy in an angry peanut way and I covet Sweat Pea's design, I could actually look super cute in it! For once I agree with the judging completely." 10:14 AM
I am sure we will get to Rami in a different post, but I saw this and wanted to respond, but I really didn't think Rami's design involving zippers was that edgy. I really liked Rami's dress, but outlining seams was don (as you pointed out) by Jeffery a season ago, so me that made it look more copied (they really liked the zippers on Jeffery's last piece, so I will use them!) I was surprised Tim didn't say anything about it when he saw the garment. However, it could be argued that as it was a jean challenge, and zippers are part of jeans, using them in a different way is fun, but for some reason it didn't sit right with me.
"What was the point to driving them out to that warehouse like they were going to bust a cap in their heads and dump them in the river?"
So hilarious!! And I agree, it left me confused.
I'm so glad Victorya is out, I never liked her. She was so jerky as a teammate, and so bland all the other times it made me what to die.
"Why don't they give these designers more time to sleep? I think that giving them more down time might improve their creative output."
Because then there wouldn't be DRAMA, and according to yesterday's posts, it's ALL ABOUT THE DRAMA!!! They don't care about "creative output", they care about tears, bitching and catfights. At least that's what everyone said yesterday.
Right?
What I don't get is all the running they're doing this season. What is this, Survivor? Sure, the frenzy makes for good TV, but please. This is the third challenge I can remember this season where it's all about GRABBYGRABBYGRABBY.
Cathy: I don't get the hatred of Victorya. I do get why she is out.
Me: Okay, I'm ready for all the knives to be thrown my way, but I think a big reason for Ya-Ya-hating boils down to racism. A lot of Asian women are saddled with the "dragon lady" stereotype, particularly those who are close enough to their Asian culture to be less outwardly emotional than your typical American. The lack of emotion and Asian appearance get together, and folks assume that there's a calculating, cold, evil bitch from the Planet Ming standing in front of you, rather than a typically quiet, introverted Asian girl.
Before everyone attacks, I do realize that VictorYA! possessed some character flaws that are uniquely her own, and showed up especially when she was working on "Team Ricky" a few episodes ago. Also, please know that I say this not as an accusation against anyone in particular but as a realization that I've been known to react this way myself in the past.
Okay, start throwing that rotten fruit my way; I can take it.
"First off, he made skinny jeans, which is hardly unique. He put buttons on the buttons. Not unique. I agree- brilliant to make the legs out of sleeves. (Though Chris joked that all pants are is two big sleeves put together.) But if mass marketed, they would cut a leg pattern and not use the sleeves. Then his jacket was basically a puffy sleeved jacket,"
EXACTLY. From Jeans and jackets he made ... jeans and a jacket.
OH MY GOD, he made the pant legs out of SLEEVES!!!!
Yawn.
I have 2 thoughts about Chris:
First, I think making them run for material is asinine and unfair, and shows a clear bias against the heaviest guy, Chris. I bet that the judges have a real prejudice against his size, seeing as they are all just the perfect 2, or 4 at the most.
But my second thought is that there is real hesitation on sending him home after seeing what he came up with last week - and I firmly believe that the over-the-top shoulder piece was all Chris M. He has a real vision, he is the one who will push fashion forward, not Christian, with his 80s reruns all of the time. So I think they will keep him around for Bryant Park, but no way will they give the fat guy the win. :( And I think he is the guy with the ability to make the most impact on fashion with his irony and his point-of-view.
It's possible that, as another poster has suggested, the Duchess has been fighting to keep VictorNo in the competition ... but s/he probably knew there was no way s/he could show up for work the next day after greenlighting that coat.
And in other news ... why you all gotta hate on Ricky? Just because he pulled out of his ass the best-looking dress on the best-styled and accessorized model of this season? I agree Christian's jeans were innovative, but everything he does looks like everything ELSE he does. He's the Rami of the "Square Pegs" look.
"Rami: two words: Jeffrey Sebelia. He did those zippers in his final collection of Season 3."
YESSSSSSSSSSSS!!! And they were brilliant. The judges loved Jeffs last year, and they liked Rami's this year.
Red7Eric said...
Cathy: I don't get the hatred of Victorya. I do get why she is out.
Me: Okay, I'm ready for all the knives to be thrown my way, but I think a big reason for Ya-Ya-hating boils down to racism. A lot of Asian women are saddled with the "dragon lady" stereotype, particularly those who are close enough to their Asian culture to be less outwardly emotional than your typical American. The lack of emotion and Asian appearance get together, and folks assume that there's a calculating, cold, evil bitch from the Planet Ming standing in front of you, rather than a typically quiet, introverted Asian girl.
Red7Eric: I will respectfully disagree. NEVER once in all these posts, NEVER, (and I read them all) has ANYONE brought up the fact that Victorya's race has anything to do with anything. I've heard her compared to Vera Wang, but only because they resemble each other. I think you're really, really grabbing at straws to suggest that all of us don't like Victorya because of her race. That is patently absurd.
I agree with the judge's decision to send victorya home. There was so little design in it, she has no one to blame but herself. At least Jillian was trying to push the envelope. she took a risk and failed, but at least it was interesting.
I wasn't all that surprised that Ricky won. First, he's been in the bottom pretty much the whole competition. His dress is very marketable, and it was very cute. So that's what earned him the win for this challenge. I think Sweet P could also have won as well because her look was quite commercial as well.
I think my two favorite's were Christian's and Rami's (although I did really like Sweet P's) mostly because I thought both created garments that were truly innovative and just looked polished and fantastic on the runway. Ricky played to his strengths, but I didn't see that much innovation compare to the other top looks this week.
Also, Sweet P is really starting to turn out some good garments lately. Good for her!
Fashion Manifesto, you crack me up. Kushner reference and sock handed bitch slap, all in the space of two sentences.
As far as the supposed "Asian Girl Bias" by Red Eric...I don't buy it. On multiple levels. Even if we're talking stereotypical ethincally motivated quiet reserve (and should we be?), why did everyone still love Uli-schatzen last season?
Why? I'll tell you. Because she still had a good attitude, turned out good stuff, seemed to actually like the female form, got what the competition was about and "made it work," had a specific and wildly creative personal aesthetic, and worked well with others.
Victorya had none of the above, and not a bit of it had to do with her ethnic identity or lack of perceived emotion, whether or not the latter has anything to do with the former (and I think Margaret Cho might argue that it doesn't).
God I love the idea of using the sleeves for the pant legs. It's so cool, totally would have won if not for the Levi.com mass market sell-ability that was needed to win - which really, I think should have been told to the designers, many of the might have gone a different way. Ricky's was the only one easy to mass produce, likeable by all kinds of women, and that was clearly made out of 501s (hence the winner.) I think that last bit was probably the most important factor this time around, sadly.
That said, I'm kind of glad that they didn't tell them because that way we got pure innovation and creativity like Christian's out of this challenge. Additionally, I have to say, just because he made the legs out of actual sleeves doesn't mean that they would be made that way if produced by Levi's, it's just the style of the sleeves that they would have had to copy. That means that those jeans could have been worn by all kinds of sizes.
Victorya's outfit was so sadly uninspired, I agreed with the auf for sure. The fact that both she and Jillian did a similar style coat as they did last challenge bothers me as well, that just seems so lackluster, like they were both trying to bank on something they knew the judges liked before. I'm glad they were the bottom two.
Sweet P is going to be the next to go.
SO MUCH of her backstory was put out last night, it's inevitable.
I loves me some Gotham Tomato.
Fashion Manifesto said...
I once used a pair of socks as oven mitts. Vogue was on the phone within the hour.
oops - almost wet myself laughing at that!!
Rumor has it that Victorya left the set in a snit and was hunted down and basically dragged back to finish filming after she was eliminated. This rumor has been circling the internets for the last couple of weeks. Does anyone know any facts or is this just gossip?
Victorya's exit interview does not even hint at any anger toward PR. Though I do find it very telling that she mentions that she will only stay in contact with Christian and Jack. Should make for an interesting reunion show this year.
Speaking as someone who never was a big fan of Victorya, I think she's getting kind of a bum rap on her character.
The truth is based on the editing I don't think you can really fully assess her character except she's passive agressive. You can make similar comments about Rami, Jillian and some of the other designers. We only know the tv personas that have been created or not created. In that respect, she has failed to connect with a lot of the audience it seems.
But consider the fact that Elisa became good friends with her. And Christian also clearly cares about her. The fact that 2 such disparate people are able to bond with Victorya supports the idea that we really don't know this woman.
For those who say she is an awful person to be teamed up with. Ricky was the only person out of 4 people who did not like working with Victorya. That has happened before. 2 people bringing out the worst in each other.
That said it did seem like she didn't really try on this challenge and deserved to be auf'd
Frank
Ding dong indeed! Thank God the bitch is dead (figuaratively speaking, of course).
I must admit that I had read some spoilers/speculation that this was going to happen, but I still feared for our Chris until the Teutonic Goddess announced he was safe. Phew!
As for Ricky's win, I totally called it. For some reason, I kept thinking about Tim's pre-season comment that there was a challenge after which he told the winning designer that he (Tim) couldn't believe that he (the designer) had won for his sub-par design, and I just knew we hadn't yet seen that challenge. Well, last night's was it. Check out Tim's blog for proof.
And for those of you still wondering why Miss Jack was trashing Chris and the other designers in the press, the last three episodes are all the reasons you need. In successive episodes, three members of his "cool kids" clique were auf'd (deservedly so!) It must be killing him that the "un-cool" kids are ruling the school. Tough shit, pretty boy (girl?)! That's life in the real world!
Didn't they all look like they were FREEZING outside that warehouse? Can any of you recall a cold day in May or June that would have generated those shivers?
Having yet another challenge where they make Chris run to gather materials is just sadistic.
Not much to say about V's aufing except that her coat thingy was truly auful and deserved to be rejected.
This was actually the third time Victorya reversed the fabric- she did it on the Weight Watchers challenge and the Hersheys challenge as well. It looked bad all three times.
I like that Victorya just left the runway silently rather than choke out a silly, insincere self-affirmation speech. As a mark of respect for her restraint I will stop capitalizing the "y" in her name.
Of course I was happy to see Victorya lose. Everyone in the room cheered when Chris was safe because we knew Vicky was auf'ed and rightly so...Jill has terrible time management and I kind of hate her too, but she's a good designer...if a bit short-sighted. I was so happy to see Ricky win. Of course it was a bone, but the dress was pretty cute and more importantly, suited Levi's mass produced clothes. And unlike Andre, Ricky's tears are usually genuine. This week, I could really see his effort to hold back lol. He's a cutie...maybe a bit cloying, but sort of loveable.
I think the overall feel of VictorYa's garment was more of a shirt dress. That's an iconic design - she should not have called it a trench coat.
Anyone else surprised that she feels so close with Christian? I get the feeling that neither of them care for any of the other designers - plus he's fun and she's not.
I am happy for Ricky though I'm not sure his was the best of the little "blue" dresses.
I wasn't thinking On the Town when the designers arrived at the warehouse. I was thinking West Side Story:
The jets are gonna have their way toniiiight.
We'll make a little party dress
toniiiight.
"twluvr said...
And for those of you still wondering why Miss Jack was trashing Chris and the other designers in the press, the last three episodes are all the reasons you need. In successive episodes, three members of his "cool kids" clique were auf'd (deservedly so!) It must be killing him that the "un-cool" kids are ruling the school. Tough shit, pretty boy (girl?)! That's life in the real world!"
YES, it does explain a lot, doesn't it? I hope Chris is one of the final three or even four.
red7eric said A lot of Asian women are saddled with the "dragon lady" stereotype, particularly those who are close enough to their Asian culture to be less outwardly emotional than your typical American...typically quiet, introverted Asian girl
The only one I see here indulging in stereotypes is you, dear.
What about "Asians are fierce?" Isn't that racist, too?
Excited? She was excited!!?? Wow... you really couldn't tell. Why did we not see her with Christian? (she smiles! Laughs!) Because I have no idea what their 'commonalities' are, Bravo. I have NO IDEA!
With slightly less stress (and slightly more liquor/fun) the 'game' would be so much more entertaining. Now people are mean, not bitchy. There's less friendship, less risk taking (and risk reward) A little bit can go a long way, Bravo. A few tweeks and S5 could be amazing.
YES!
YES!!
OH YESSSS!!!
I feel like that girl in the shampoo commercial.
She is GONE, ladies and gentlemen. Fucking aufwiedersehen goodbye.
I fell asleep in the middle of the second exit video. Someone give this woman a personality.
"the producers had to spend a lot of extra time making Xtian look extra pricky diva"
It doesn't take much. I don't mind him when he brags about his own skills, ego is a given in this business, but I cannot stand that offended look he gets whenever someone else gets even a modicum of praise. You may be good, Christian, but you aren't the only one.
While I agree with the auf' I am a bit sorry to see Victorya go. I enjoyed her work and own the dress and vest she did for Bitten, which is really quite flattering. I thought her work was a bit reminiscent of Street Life (anybody remember that store?). Even this garment had some merit.
On the subject of Victorya "copying" Jillian: I think Jill was getting a touch paranoid. Nobody owns the patent on trench coats and having been handed denim to work with,it isn't any wonder that more than one designer would do a jacket.
Further more Jillians was much better.
Yomonda, no one had made any terrible rasist remarks on this thread, but there were some really disgusting things written on the Prom thread that had to be removed.
WOW, even her "hugs" are bitchy!
Good episode :)
Wow. Vya left in the PR equivalent of 'suicide by cop.' She gave up. That thing she sent down the runway was unbelievable -- even before I realized that she didn't make the jacket portion.
And even though this is supposed to be re: Vicky's post, I must add that I do NOT see what the BFD is about Chickenugget using sleeves for pants. ??? So what? The end result was still skinny jeans, now with buttons. And we've seen pants with buttons at the bottom many times before. Pants = Eh. Jacket = fugly
what does puzzle me is the importance/meaning of the concept of "iconic" to the challenge last night. Once again we were not given a clear explanation and looking at the results I am not sure the designers were:
Jillian (fugly) futuristic coat (not iconic, surely the antithesis of iconic)
Rami: nicely made and the zipper thing was clever (I actually didn't really like it) but how was it supposed to be iconic
Chris - LBD, ok, iconic. He did do the whole cocktail thing which did stop it from just being a denim dress.
Sweet P: cute but as she said herself hardly iconic.
Christian: clever but again not iconic. Maybe, maybe the trucker jacket but the "motorcross jean"
Ricky: cute and iconic (corset).
VictorYA: awful but iconic
I just can't stand the way the judges enforce the rules of the challenges only if they feel like it. Or is it the producers. Sorry for the long post. Feel free to not read it!
Is it just me, or did she totally look like she couldn't give a crap that she was leaving last night. When Tim came in and said "go clean up your stuff," she was like "i don't want a group hug." Beeatch. Glad to see ya go!
Victorya won quite a few challenges, so I was surprised to see her go. She should have made a denim baby doll dress.
Esmerelda Eats Knockwurst said...
OH MY GOD, he made the pant legs out of SLEEVES!!!!
Lulz! Isn't that what Chris said during the Tiki Barber challenge? Pants are two big sleeves sewn together.
I wasn't thinking On the Town when the designers arrived at the warehouse. I was thinking West Side Story
Why does this make me want to rewrite "Levon" by Elton John?
Heidi wears this week's dress like it's skin
She calls her boobs "knockers"
(Cause she likes the stares)
And she puts 'em in the tightest tops in town.
Heidi, Heidi likes her cleavage...
And it must scream "Levi's"
And it must be a great look
And it must scream "Levi's"
And then one of you will get the hook....
(Nah, never mind. Doesn't quite work.)
I wasn't a fan of Victorya's design aesthetic, but was never on the hate train as far as her personality. The depth of dislike for her is interesting.
It was clear she was going to go from the edit so it was no surprise at the end. Plus that dress looked like she thought she could skate through on past performance. Bad decision (even if not made at 3 am) when there aren't many designers left. The aufing made sense. The win on the other hand . . . .
Hello bitches- you are right on point with your analysis. The only thing that would have made me happier than Victorya leaving was if her and Jillian got aufed together!!!! Jillian is next. But honestly, did you see the looks on Rami and Christian's faces when Ricky crybaby won????? They are both a little too sure of themselves. And I love Chris's sense of humour, since he came back he seems a little shy with it, I say let it rip, the most entertaining shows were when Santino was ripping everyone!! The only design I really loved was Sweet Pea's she is really starting to get more confident and the competition goes on. Do I think she will be in the final three, maybe, will she win, I don't think so!! Till next week.....
red7eric said...
Okay, I'm ready for all the knives to be thrown my way, but I think a big reason for Ya-Ya-hating boils down to racism.
Well I am NO fan of YaYa, but it is my reaction to the way she is portrayed on teevee, not some anti-Asian bias. She strongly reminds me of passive aggressive people I have had the misfortune to have worked with in the past.
So when YaYa kept calling Sweet P 'Kit' was it innocent or was it intentional? When YaYa changed her garment without discussing it with Ricky, the team leader, what was that? When she had immunity and dawdled by adding detail to the back of a blouse which would be covered by a coat, was she trying to set Jillian up to fail to get the surprise RTW look done?
Sorry, I just don't buy the "Everybody hates me because I'm not emotional" theory.
Bzzzzt Wrong! Johnny, tell him about our lovely parting gifts...
She'll have a bright future at "Forever 21".
okay- final 3: rami, jillian and christian. If a 4th is allowed: chris (no way in heck will they let sweet pea or ricky show on fashio week)
"td said...
Boy, after reading these comments, Victorya better wear dark glasses for a while. (OK, she's gone, but why all the mean spiritedness?)"
mob mentality. the majority of commenters here love to hop on the bandwagon when someone makes a witty insult about someone, and then congratulate themselves about how funny they're all being.
i mean, wtf. is victorya an evil person? is she a really horrible designer? no and no. what did she ever do wrong? she argued with ricky, a designer whose aesthetic can benefit from some criticism, and she won a challenge with a dress that many viewers didn't like because their own aesthetic is purely middle of the road. jay loved her prom dress, and so did the judges. i loved it too and i was surprised to see so much frothing at the mouth hate over it, but it just confirms my suspicions that most viewers simply aren't in tune to what's good and what's bad. i think victorya has a great deal of talent, but the commenters here clearly prefer to believe that her basis for being on the show has to do with the fact that (they think) she looks like vera wang.
yeah, her outfit this time around truly sucked, so yeah, she deserved her auf. but whatever. ripping on her for having the nerve to use dark wash and make a trenchcoat? you're really stretching, folks.
I am thinking that the whole taking them to the warehouse was away of making the product, product, product placement more subliminal. Like they did with the Slim-fast with the "What's the Skinny" episode. The PP is getting a bit annoying. What are they going to do next? An iconic dress out of Kotex maxi pads? Have Sallie Field on as a judge and make a dress for patients with osteoporosis because Boniva comes on board?LOL
I think there was also an element of what BigAssBelle said: Fatxploitation. It pains me when people say anything negative about Chris's size.
We are here. We are big. We are proud and we are loud. And a bunch of us are happy that way and think that we are fierce just the way we are, and people should stop judging people on their size. And stop using perceived health status to justify their prejudice.There, off my soapbox and on to the fashion.
Victorya with a Y's offering was in my opinion lazy.She barely had to do anything to the jacket she started out with. That would have taken anyone with sewing experience 4 hours at most to make.
With the exception of the outfit she did last week with Jillian have not seen her do anything I liked.
Love,
Milla
"sewing siren said: Yomonda, no one had made any terrible rasist remarks on this thread, but there were some really disgusting things written on the Prom thread that had to be removed."
I saw those remarks too. And they weren't just on that thread. Fortunately Tlo removed them pretty quickly. So, there has been an undercurrent.
--GothamTomato
Speaking of smoking crack, did anyone notice that during the 'I'm not Kit' exchange, YaYa was making a peanut butter sandwich with a fork? Just odd...
Let me just say that when I saw VictorYA's oddly fugly thingy going down the runway I almost started yelling I was so happy that she is FINALLY AUF'D!!
yay.
jay loved her prom dress, and so did the judges. i loved it too and i was surprised to see so much frothing at the mouth hate over it, but it just confirms my suspicions that most viewers simply aren't in tune to what's good and what's bad.
Or else it speaks to the fact that people have different opinions and aesthetics, and that's okay. I think that's more likely than it being definitive proof that you're the arbiter of good taste and the rest of us are deluded.
At last, she's FINALLY auf'ed. That outfit was completely uninspired. Dull. Whoever said that her future will be at Forever 21 is on target.
"anon: I think that's more likely than it being definitive proof that you're the arbiter of good taste and the rest of us are deluded."
sure, taste is subjective and everyone is entitled to his opinion. but if you're trying to tell me that everyone's opinion holds equal weight and value -- i don't buy it. my belief is that jay's opinion about fashion trumps yours any day. and that's all i have to say about that.
and yes, there certainly has been an undercurrent of racism in these anti-victorya threads. pity that certain people think they can simply erase the word "asian" from their "victorya is an evil vera wang DRAGON LADY!" comments and that doing so makes everything acceptable.
A few weeks ago, I read a former reality contestant's opinion that sometimes, in these competition shows, the contestants might feel overwhelmed at the experience and stress. Then they might sabotage themselves to get themselves out of there. (Sorry, forgot who said it and what show it was.)
I couldn't help but think that maybe VictorYa might have done just this.
red7eric: Re:-racism. Your thoughts are honest. It does happen, unfortunately. No rotten fruit coming from my direction.
I don't think race has anything to do with it. The whole competition, she kept saying how competitive she was -- maybe that was at her own peril. I think she was very rigid in what she would and would not do, which is kind of the opposite of what PR is about, no? You're supposed to get out of your comfort zone every once in a while. Plus, in the real fashion world (not that I have any experience there), you would think that it would be important to be flexible and be able to work well with others. Which she does not.
If you read Tim's comments, it seems that this was the challenge where he was so sure Ricky would go, and then Ricky pulls off the win.
Yep, I think this was it. Ricky would also be one to agree with Tim's comment afterwards, "You know, I'm stunned that you won" than others (I'm looking at you, Christian/Rami).
Victoyra has been bitch-edited, but her personality just isn't great for TV. I also almost fell asleep watching her exist videos. (The Team Runway guys snark on her "attention to words" during interviews... or maybe it was genuine respect).
She's made some interesting friends -- Christian and Jack? Both of them seem to have a sense of entitlement. That being said, I've seen pictures of them around town with Kevin, but Victoyra's never included.
Did anyone notice how nasal her voice was during her exit interview? Made me wonder if the rumors about her meltdown were true. She seemed sedated, too.
("exist interview" - exist interview)
Nasal voice meaning aftermath of tears.
Oh my, I just saw the close-up view of how she applied the extention on the the cf of the existing jean jacket to make the lapels and *then* didn't have a facing, just turned the raw edge to the front! No, no, no. Jillian, this was nothing like your jacket.
"anon: I think that's more likely than it being definitive proof that you're the arbiter of good taste and the rest of us are deluded."
So why do you come to this blog?
OH MY GOD
VictorYA is showing at Bryant Park!!!
FEBRUARY 1
8 PM
NA·BE BY VICTORYA HONG
See it here!.
"anon: I think that's more likely than it being definitive proof that you're the arbiter of good taste and the rest of us are deluded."
So why do you come to this blog?
Because I find TLo absolutely hilarious (who doesn't?). That's 99.9% of the reason that I come here. I enjoy reading the comments and finding out what everyone else thought, and discussing the episodes, but that's entirely secondary.
The original anonymous commenter to whom I was responding wasn't TLo, so to respond to my comment to them with "so why do you come to this blog?" just doesn't make a lot of sense to me when it's not their blog and I don't come here because of them. JMO. I come here for TLo, but I do enjoy reading and responding to everyone else. I shouldn't come here because I disagree with what another commenter thinks? OtherAnon said that they loved Victorya's prom dress and were surprised at the hate for it, but takes that as proof that the vast majority of viewers just aren't in tune with what's "good" and "bad." (I'm paraphrasing here.) I disagreed with that premise.
But I think we can all agree that Victorya's trench was heinous.
Good God!
("exist interview" - exist interview)"
Let's try that one more time: EXIST INTERVIEW = EXIT INTERVIEW.
The part about Victorya having her own show at fashion week? That was part of the rumor around her meltdown over being auf'd from PR. Supposedly she refused to have anything further to do with the show. I guess she was under contract to do her medicated, teary-aftermath EXIT interview.
Bettie said...
OH MY GOD
VictorYA is showing at Bryant Park!!!
FEBRUARY 1
8 PM
NA·BE BY VICTORYA HONG
See it here!.
Thanks, darling, We added that to the post.
XO
T&L
WHAT????
Victorya Hong is showing at Bryant Park?
Well, it goes back to what is the freaking point of this show then if anyone can show at BP now?
the "freaking point" of the show is for entertainment.
and Malan showed at fashion week last year too did he not?
As far as Victorya getting tangled up in some "dragon lady" stereotype, I don't see it. Dragon ladies breathe fire, and I just don't see anything fiery about Victorya. If she falls into a stereotype, it might be "shy girl that everyone assumes is stuckup because she's not fun like the other girs." I don't know if she's shy, but she comes across as rather aloof. BTW, I don't think it was particularly bitchy to call Sweet P "Kit" -- even the second time. That's called "your brain on major sleep deprivation."
As for Jay's opinion of fashion being more valuable than the average blog commenters: This is why "proof by appeal to authority" is a logical fallacy. Yes, an expert's opinion has more weight than a layperson's -- but experts are not infallible. And some aesthetic sensibilities are more informed than others (see: Tim Gunn) but there is no objective "good" aesthetic sensibility that we all do our best to approach.
@ red7eric:
I don't suppose it ever occurred to you that most people just don't like a person who doesn't smile very often or was passive agressive or a poor teammate. All of these have been suggested before. But noooooooo. It's gotta be about race.
Well honey, that's all you. Stop projecting your baggage on the rest of us, please.
kthxbai
Bitchesdye: The only one I see here indulging in stereotypes is you, dear. What about "Asians are fierce?" Isn't that racist, too?
1) I stand by my assertions. They certainly don't apply to everyone who has criticized VictorYA!, but I do believe that the majority of us would have reacted differently to her if she were similarly introverted, blonde, and blue-eyed. Contrary to popular belief, most racists aren't foaming-at-the-mouth, blatantly offensive good ol' boys in white robes; rather, the vast majority are those who believe themselves to be utterly free of racial bias, but unconsciously evaluate people of color using different criteria than they apply against white people. If this isn't you ... okay. But I think that's what's going on for a lot of people, here and elsewhere.
2) "Asians are fierce" is absolutely a racist statement and not one of Christian's finest moments. But Lord knows I've said some stupid and terrible things in my lifetime, so -- after taking into consideration his age and deep desire to shock and entertain everyone around him -- I've forgiven the little pudd'n and hope he grows out of it soon.
Go, Ms. Hong! Good on ya.
If you are interested, here's the link to Victorya's Na-Be fashions
http://victoryahong.com/to_nabeny/click_to_enter.html
I actually have a bit of a hard time disliking Victorya because she bears such a strong resemblance to one of my best friends -- she looks like her and if I closed my eyes, I'd think it was my friend speaking. Their voices are really similar.
That said, I still don't like her. I didn't have any opinion one way or another until the team challenge with Ricky, but since then she's annoyed me greatly. I'm the same way with Rami -- didn't have a problem with him until last week when he was teamed with Sweet P, and now I can't stand him.
Jay loved her prom dress, and so did the judges. i loved it too and i was surprised to see so much frothing at the mouth hate over it, but it just confirms my suspicions that most viewers simply aren't in tune to what's good and what's bad.
I guess you don't much like Tim Gunn, do you. He also was shocked by the judges' decision, according to Tim's Take.
I disliked Victorya's occasional passive aggressiveness. Being reserved may not make good teevee, but if that's her, that's her. Maybe because she's a blank canvas, people are painting the picture they want to see.
OTOH, she's had claws appear at different times. They certainly gave her the B edit last night, between the insisting that those jeans on the floor were hers, the eye-rolling over the assignment, the trenchcoat after Jillian chose to do it, etc.
And even though I dislike Ricky, her passive aggressiveness was irritating in that team challenge. She didn't want to be leader, but she didn't want to be led either. I thought it ironic that Ricky was right -- she was trying to smash her model's boobs instead of fitting the outfit to the breast.
Sewhat? said...
She didn't make a bad coat she made a REALLY LAME 70's Denim Shirtdress...ugh.
No Loss.
"lou said: I guess you don't much like Tim Gunn, do you. He also was shocked by the judges' decision, according to Tim's Take.
I disliked Victorya's occasional passive aggressiveness. Being reserved may not make good teevee, but if that's her, that's her. Maybe because she's a blank canvas, people are painting the picture they want to see."
i like tim gunn all right. i don't keep up with his blog, so all i know of his opinions is the advice he gives on the show. it's more that i don't much respect the opinions of those who get totally freaked out by silhouettes and colors not typically used in mainstream fashion, which is why i don't value commenters' opinions about "boob smashing" and "bedazzling."
nonetheless, i would respect their opinions more if it weren't so obvious that they were, as you noted, drawing their own assumptions about someone's personality from an almost blank canvas. i mean seriously. "victorya didn't want to touch anyone when she was aufed because she's such a bitch." "victorya looked sideways all shifty when she was talking about her dead mom, so she was probably lying." "victorya used a dark wash and made a trench coat so she was obviously copying chris and jillian and she's a dishonest copycat." "victorya didn't want to be team leader yet she didn't agree with ricky so she's such a passive aggressive whore." "victorya has claws, flicking eyelids, and evil stares!" like honestly. i know most of you are a hell of a lot older than i am, but from the general tone in here and the (in)validity of the comments, i feel like i'm back in middle school. is she spewing wendy pepper hate everywhere? no, right? so why don't some of you save your hatred for someone who actually warrants it?
If you are interested, here's the link to Victorya's Na-Be fashions
http://victoryahong.com/to_nabeny/click_to_enter.html
Wow. That is one boring-ass group of dresses.
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