Ladies With an Attitude

Tuesday, December 19, 2006 by
We were reading over the comments in the latest Hair Harpy Cage Match with some amusement. It seems that if you mention Barbara Stanwyck, people have essays to write and things to say about her far out of proportion to any of the previous combatants. This is, of course, no surprise to us. Miss Stanwyck is in that rarefied group of ladies from the early part of the 20th Century, the one we like to call The Dames.

The Dames were a smattering of actresses and entertainers that so perfectly encapsulated the times in which they lived as well as the changing role of women throughout the century that they simply refuse to be forgotten. We can include among their number Bette Davis, Joan Crawford, Katharine Hepburn, Carole Lombard, Miss Stanwyck, and to a lesser extent, women like Eve Arden, Rosalind Russell, Myrna Loy and Claudette Colbert. We say "lesser extent" not to impugn the immense talents of the latter ladies. They were no less talented than their more well-known colleagues, but the fact of the matter is, they never passed into legend on the same level as Davis, Crawford and Hepburn. We'll leave it to other scholars of Hollywood's Golden Age (read: middle-aged gay men) to explain why.

At any rate, they are all still beloved 60-plus years after their heydays, long after the names of countless other contemporaneous female entertainers have been shrouded by time and overshadowed by the accomplishments of others. And why? Because they were so damn good at what they did that even now, they stare out at us from their Hurrell portraits, just daring us to forget them.

And when we refer to "what they did," it's less about their acting accomplishments (which are considerable) and more about their ability to shape and mold the culture around them. After the sexual liberation of the Jazz Era and the callus-forming harshness of the Depression, these gals came on the scene with exactly the hard edge that people needed heading into the second World War.

They were all harsh quips and slaps, raised eyebrows and outrageous hats, cigarettes and gowns, furs and ambition. Unlike the female stars of a decade or two later, these women rarely played the types of roles that ended in blissful trips down the aisle. Instead, they opened businesses, had closets full of ball gowns, schemed to kill their husbands, had affairs and just generally waltzed into a place and said "Hey there, fellas. Come here and tell mommy what you can do for her."

They had sexual appetites and Ph.D-level vocabularies. They looked great in everything they wore and everything they did, whether it was laughing off suitors in a ballroom or flying an airplane or typing up their latest scoop or digging ditches by headlight to hide the body. The Dames were the very definition of fabulous and it's no surprise that they captured the imagination of everyone from housewives to soldiers to budding little homosexuals and, probably most important of all, the little girls and young women who would grow up and a generation later, declare themselves feminists and quite literally change the world. Meryl Streep, in a promo for Turner Classic Movies (the GayBoys favorite cable network after Bravo) tells of running home from school so she could catch the afternoon movie and gleefully "watch Bette Davis scare the hell out of a man."

These women represented feminism at a time when not only was the concept of equality for women largely derided, it didn't even have a name yet. They were never passive. Events didn't revolve around them; events happened because of them. One only has to look at the vast number of female-centered films that didn't star any of these women to see what a revolutionary concept that was for the time. That is why we're still so enthralled with them. Because even today, the idea of an ambitious, smart, sexually available woman still raises eyebrows and ire. Just imagine what it was like to be one (or just portray one - but let's face it, most of these women weren't playing characters too far off the mark in regards to their own personalities) sixty or seventy years ago.

You dames, you fabulous, strong, sexy dames. We hope you never go out of style. Long after we're gone, we hope little girls will look at you and sit up a little straighter and prouder and little gayboys will look at you and marvel at your impeccable makeup and endless wardrobe.

And if you haven't availed yourself of the talents of these legendary dames, we strongly urge you to do so. We'll leave it up to our fabulous commenters to make suggestions as to which of their films are the best.

65 comments:

Alice said...

You guys have totally hit on a subject I adore! As to which movies are the best, that's like naming a favorite star in the sky! (TCM is totally my favorite channel) When I was young, I always dreamed of being like Carole Lombard in "My Man Godfry" or Katherine Hepburn in "Bringing up Baby", or Claudette Colbert in "It Happened One Night" those clothes, those jewels, those men!! Wait what am I saying, I still do! Sigh.

Anonymous said...

Bravo Boys!! That I have to say was my favorite entry yet!! In my Women's Studies classes (I'm 24, a youngun) we discuss the women you mentioned, how they were strong, sexy, and didn't take any shit. I think about these ladies when I see the young "starlets" today who don't seem to care how they present themselves unlike the "ladies with an attitude", they never left the house without looking fabulous!!

Desarae

mjude said...

that was a fab article! i have to say, my 80 year old mother is still one fabulous dame. i should be so cool.

Vic said...

Choose one film among the many fabulous? C'est impossible!

macasism said...

Philadelphia Story (although there is some obnoxious shit in there, Kate had Jimmy Stewart & Cary Grant on her leash), His Gal Friday (you shouldn't give Russell short shrift like that, boys!), All About Eve, Double Indemnity (yowza!), The Postman Always Rings Twice (the original version--I love Lana Turner), all the Thin Man movies (Myrna was the bomb!), Stella Dallas, there's lots more.

Anyone who has not seen these movies should not call themselves Americans!

Anonymous said...

"Hush, Hush, Sweet Charlotte" is one of Ms. Bette Davis' finest, as is "All About Eve."
I recently viewed both of these classics with my (obviously) straight husband and he was quite impressed with the magnitude of pure evil.
I particularly enjoy these two films, as Ms. Davis is more of a "victim" in these than in some of her other masterpieces.
Bravo to this entry!

Anonymous said...

macasism said...

"His Gal Friday (you shouldn't give Russell short shrift like that, boys!)"

Agreed! La Russell was da bomb! She had that amazing, amused look that would completely put a man in his place.

I know it's a cliche, but for sheer quantity of fabulous Dames, "The Women" has to be included among the top movies.

aimee said...

For Bette Davis, you can't do better than "All About Eve." She was never more fabulous and catty. For Kate Hepburn, I'd go with "Philadelphia Story" for a first choice, but you really can't go wrong with any of her movies with Spencer Tracy. She also gives what may be the best film tell-off ever in "Guess Who's Coming To Dinner?" For La Stanwyck, "Double Indemnity" and "The Lady Eve" are sublime.

Katyola said...

Oh, you have to include Susan Hayward in this list. Check out "I Want to Live!" about a woman on death row. For Rosalynd Russell, see "Funny Face." Think pink!

You're Gonna Miss Me said...

Actually, katyola, I don't recall Russell in Funny Face. Kay Thompson (writer and creator of the fabulous Eloise children's books) played the fierce "Think pink" magazine editor.

Anonymous said...

Joan Crawford: "The Women" and "Mildred Pierce"; Barbara Stanwyck: "Double Indemnity"; Katharine Hepburn: "Stage Door" , "Desk Set" and "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner"; Bette Davis: "Dark Victory", "Mr. Skeffington", "Now, Voyager" and of course "All About Eve".

Lisette said...

Katyola, Are you thinking of Kay Thompson? She played the editor in Funny Face. Also wrote the Eloise books which were training manuals for 6 year old man-eaters to be! Proud to have taken those lessons to heart!

Jen said...

What a great article, boys - your new blog just keeps getting better and better.

Most of my favorites have already been mentioned ... one addition might be "The Strange Love of Martha Ivers," I always loved Stanwyck in that.

Allen said...

I really do think the movie, "The Women," really put the nail on the head by what you guys wrote.

I've seen MANY, MANY of these movies with my maternal Grandmother and I now understand why, as an adult, why she loved movies from this era.

I really don't see Lindsey nor Paris becoming icons that Hepburn and Lombard.

The Scarlett said...

These are the kind of women that could lounge around a swimming pool wearing a turban and heels. These are the kind of women that could command, "Bring me a highball, Jimmy" and make it sound like foreplay. These are the kind of woman that could ooze sex appeal and danger all at the same time.

I love all of the movies mentioned but 'Double Indemnity' is so classically noir and la Stanwyck so deliciously corrupt and glamourous.

Bill said...

Ooh ooh oooh - I loved that post.

Leaving it to us to say which films were their best? Stand back, children. Mommy needs some room. Here we go:

Bette Davis - Of Human Bondage, Jezebel, The Little Foxes, Dangerous & of course All About Eve

Joan Crawford - Mildred Pierce (rhymes with Fierce!), Johnny Guitar, Harriet Craig, Possessed, Grand Hotel, The Women

Katharine Hepburn - everything she ever did - especially Little Women, Alice Adams, Stage Door, Bringing Up Baby, Holiday, the Philadelphia Story, Suddenly Last Summer, The Lion in Winter (superb - enequaled), and On Golden Pond

Carole Lombard - My Man Godfrey, Nothing Scared, Twentieth Century, To Be or Not to Be

Barbara Stanwyck - Double Indemnity, The Lady Eve, Meet John Doe, Ball of Fire, Cattle Queen of Montana, Sorry Wrong Number

Eve Arden - the quintessential wise-cracking second banana - Stage Door, Eternally Yours, One Touch of Venus, Mildred Pierce, Anatomy of a Murder, on TV in Our Miss Brooks and The Mothers-in-Law

Rosalind Russell - The Women, His Girl Friday, Hired Wife, My Sister Eileen, Sister Kenny, Picnic, Auntie Mame, The Trouble with Angels (and its follow up) and let's not forget Wonderful Town and Auntie Mame on Broadway.

Myrna Loy - the first three Thin Man movies, The Bachelor and the Bobby-Soxer, Mr. Blandings Builds His Dream House, Cheaper by the Dozen (and its follow up), The Best Years of Our Lives, Wife vs. Secretary

Claudette Colbert - It Happened One Night, Cleopatra, Tovarich, Maid of Salem, The Palm Beach Story (an absolute hoot), The Egg and I, Since You Went Away, Drums Along the Mohawk, She Married Her Boss, and never forget her on TV vs. Ann-Margaret in The Two Mrs. Grenvilles

And let's not forget some other great (but admittedly not nearly as famous) Dames - Jean Harlow, Jean Arthur, Jane Russell and Joan Blondell.

Anonymous said...

The most spot on, wonderfully articulate homage to the dames I've ever seen. Love the dames. Love the boys. :D

~L~

Anonymous said...

Not much to add to Bill 'cause he mentioned some of my favorite movies. My alltime fave is The Palm Beach Story, but 20th Century is close.

What about adding Mary Astor to your list?

macasism said...

I forgot and no one has mentioned African Queen. Kate is awesome at any age, in any part. Lion in Winter, too.

Lisette said...

Bill, LOVE!!!! The Lion in Winter! Young Anthony Hopkins dripping evil and gay longing, very young Timothy Dalton -so much more than a desexed Bond, Hepburn, O'Toole. How they kept the scenery together is beyond me! Definitely a deserted island must have!

Anonymous said...

I have died and gone to heaven. The Philadelphia Story is MY.FAVORITE.MOVIE.EVER.EVER. EVER. I judge people (and ladies, I do judge) on whether or not they can tell the difference between the Hepburn-Grant-Stewart classic and the Tom Hanks movie.

I clap my hands (!) at the precise moment Miss Kate cocks her chin, narrows her eyes and commences to dress down whatever individual has had the poor judgment to SPEAK to her.

C. K. Dexter Haven: Sometimes, for your own sake, Red, I think you should've stuck to me longer.
Tracy Lord: I thought it was for life, but the nice judge gave me a full pardon.
C. K. Dexter Haven: Aaah, that's the old redhead. No bitterness, no recrimination, just a good swift left to the jaw.

The banter is the best part (the end? Sappy and - sorry - totally satisfying). Plus, Tracy (Hep) has a dame-in-training, her younger sister Dinah. Delicious.

Gayboys and girls, I am leaving THIS INSTANT to have a cocktail and some Hepburn.

God, I love you guys.

-k

brilliant said...

Anyhoo... I agree with most of the movie suggestions so far. Bravo to whoever said Desk Set an overlooked film in the Hepburn/Tracy catalog that still holds up nicely in this computer mad world.

That being said, I don't think all of her movies qualify. I must say I was vastly disappointed in the ending of Woman of the Year. I wanted to cry when I saw her putting on an apron and trying to make breakfast. The beast was tamed. Egad!

Vic said...

bill said proves my point. How can you choose among all that fabulosity? Though my favorite line of all time is Bette Davis' in All About Eve: "Fasten your seatbelts, it's going to be a bumpy night!"

Bean said...

wow. that miss USA looks like a hussy porn star next to those silver screen legends.

Anonymous said...

Great topic for me. So many great comments and so much has already been said. I will add When we first see Myrna Loy at the beginning of The Thin Man it's when she walks into the bar and asks the bartender how many Martinis her husband has had. After he says 6 she asks for 6 Martini's to match him. Great scene. Movie wives up until then usually were saints or mean conniving shrewish characters with nothing in between. Nora Charles broke that and the banter between Nick and Nora is classic.
Also:
-Lion in Winter- My favorite KH movie.

yawningdog said...

I feel I just have to watch 'The Women', right now!

And then my daughter will ask, again, "Is this movie in grey?"

TLo said...

Lion in winter! Yes! This is why we have such fabulous readers. It's one of our all time favorite movies and to this day, Tom has been known to smile knowingly, cock his head and say sweetly "I wonder...do you ever wonder...if I slept with your father?"

Or

"Hush dear, Mother's fighting."

Or

"I'd hang you from the nipples, but you'd shock the children."

Okay we'll stop now.

Anonymous said...

I have mentioned that I love you right?

And thank you so much for mentioning Myrna Loy. I mean, anyone who has seen her in The Thin Man KNOWS how much of a closet feminist she was. I mean sure, she was good at the shrieking when a gun was pulled but she was the rebellious one. She was the one who quipped back at her husband without batting an eye-lash. And he took it. Not because he was a wimp, but because she was asserting dominance in a way that made him still feel strong which was just as important in those early days of feminism. What made her fantastic was the fact that she was MARRIED!

I'm sure if the Thin Man movies were better known she would be much more appreciated. But hey! Whatcha gonna do?

- the maljax is me

potty mouth princess said...

I'm so glad The Lion in Winter got its due (and Kate herself...I wasn't sure if she was a gay icon or not).

Bill stole my thunder. Fabulously glamorous women, fabulous movies.

DivineQueen said...

"Bill said...

Ooh ooh oooh - I loved that post
[..................]"


Holly shit. Are you gay? FABULOUS list, darling!

Vera said...

"I rode barebreasted through the crusades. I got windchapped but the troops were dazzled."

And then the part where she makes Henry kiss Alice in front of her just to be a heartless freaky bitch, but then he actually does, and you can see on her face that it just nearly destroys her. God damn, that movie may be just about perfect.

Vic said...

The likes of James Goldman is rarely heard in dumbed down scripts these days. Can you imagine tody's Hollywood weenies approving such robust language? Or strong female characters?

My friend and I would sneak into the Charles Theatre in Boston with a bottle of champagne, delighting in these black and white masterpieces. I own many of them, and like T&L exult in the Turner Classic Movie channel.

Kudos, guys. What a great discussion and post. Love ya.

Vic said...

Ok, dahlings, I just can't let this go, because this is such a fabulous post. Here's another Lion in Winter quote: "Of course he has a knife! I have a knife. We all have knives. It's 1183 and we're all barbarians!"

TLo said...

"Henry's bed is Henry's province. He can people it with sheep for all I care.

Which, on occasion, he has done."

Or perhaps the all-time favorite:

"LET him? I'd push him through the nursery door!"

LittleKarnak said...

Love this topic, my brother and I have this discussion/debate all the time. Bill and everyone else: Yes Yes Yes on The Lion In Winter!! "I'd hang you from the nipples, but you'd shock the children." Just one of many perfect lines delivered perfectly by Kate The Great. Stage Door and All About Eve are a close second and third on my list, the snappy dialogue just can't be beat in these two. Glad to see a few mentions of Johnny Guitar, I thought I was the lone fan singing the praises of this movie! I think I will add Mercedes McCambridge to the Dame List; she just totally intrigued me in All The King's Men, Giant, and Johnny Guitar not to mention she is the voice of the demon in The Exorcist! And perhaps Angela Lansbury in State of the Union (tried to steal Spencer Tracy from Kate...what balls!!) and the original Manchurian Candidate (Meryl Streep, don't mess with a classic!)

Vera said...

I think this one may be the best (aside from the nipples one, which is a great personal favorite);

"I could peel you like a pear and God himself would call it justice."

FrancesSpencer said...

Apparently, I’m missing out from the quotefest of ‘The Lion in Winter’. I will try to rent it ASAP. My love for 'The Women' is quite new but loyal. Must give an honorable mention to Paulette Goddard as I thought she was enchanting in it. "Whatever Happened to Baby Jane?" is great for the campiness. While you girls were watching the previously listed movies, I was obsessed with these campy, scandal-infested flicks like "Madame X" and "Imitation of Life". Lana Turner is great. When I smoked, I would inhale about 10 cigarettes during her movies. I also love Deborah Kerr who was honored in 'Sleepless in Seattle'. I loved the cheekbones-to-die-for-beauties of Grace Kelly and Ingrid Bergman. They were so beautiful and could carry a scene with just their face and violins playing in the background. Thank you Alfred Hitchcock for 'Dial M for Murder' and 'Rear Window' (Grace was ‘sexual elegance’ indeed). Also Ingrid in 'Gaslight' is priceless. Your blog is great because you bring up topics that I have to post about before I get any further work done. You are driving me to madness like Charles Boyer did!

MissLynette said...

"Mother's tired. Come stick pins tomorrow morning; I'll be more responsive."

Aren't they divine, these broads? I adore them all and as a bitty girl longed to grow up just like them. My mother's generation, though, got pushed back into The Role: housewife, homemaker, soul-killing self-denying role-playing and caring for the needs of other to the exclusion of having a real life.

Betty Friedan: "The problem lay buried, unspoken, for many years in the minds of American women. It was a strange stirring, a sense of dissatisfaction, a yearning that women suffered in the middle of the twentieth century in the United States. Each suburban wife struggled with it alone. As she made the beds, shopped for groceries, matched slipcover material, ate peanut butter sandwiches with her children, chauffeured Cub Scouts and Brownies, lay beside her husband at night--she was afraid to ask even of herself the silent question--"Is this all?"

The Problem That Has No Name launched the next wave of the women's movement which culminated in the failure of the ERA, a year of complete despair for the Belle, and the massive movement of women into the professional, paid workforce.

So now we get to have it all: do everything at home, everything for the kids and work. What a great deal we made! But how to live in servitude and not go mad? There's no answer, alas.

Gloria Steinem said that in the end, the problems between men and women ultimately boil down to who does the dishes.

I don't see any of these fabulous women doing dishes, ever. They are my heroines along with Miss Scarlett and Letty and Gloria and Betty.

And on a happier note, my gift to this holiday season is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr2GGE7M520

Vera said...

francesspencer, I don't want you to think that I deny the fabulosity of Grace Kelly, Deborah Kerr, et al. I love them all. But to put them in league with Davis and Stanwyck and Crawford and Hepburn is to compare apples and oranges. They all have class and beauty and obvious charm, but there's only one grouping of two that has great big brass balls. And while I also find Paulette Goddard to be enchanting, big brass balls she has none. Can you see that bitch holding her own in a knife fight in Tecate with a Mexican bar wench named Mona Cabrona? No you cannot.

Archie said...

Ida Lupino also comes to mind...not because she could or did compete with the top shelf, but because she was on the road to being groomed and she swerved by herself, became scriptwriter, director, and some of the worst roles for woman characters, Hm..
George Cukor deserves a shout out in all this, as the "woman's director" label came for a reason, although while I love "The Women", Norman Talmadge was playing from a stage, not a filmset.

Did I mention - your blog is excellent, this is one of the best if not the best spin-off from Project Runway. Keep it up!

Anonymous said...

Please don't forget one of my favorite dames -- Ida Lupino!

When she was pushing 30 (back when 30 was the new 45) and roles were drying up, she starting writing, directing and producing.

From IMDB:

As rigid and tough-minded as Bette Davis, Ida would often refuse to play a Davis hand-me-down role and was often suspended by Warner Bros. for doing so. It was during those breaks that she would go on movie sets, chum around with the male directors and learned the craft of directing. Blazing new trails, she became the only notable and respected female filmmaker of her era in Hollywood.

The second woman to be admitted to the Director's Guild.
****

Kiki

Anonymous said...

archie, just saw your post -- looks like we have a psychic link.

Anonymous said...

The list is near perfect, but incomplete without Tallulah Bankhead.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tallulah_Bankhead

Anonymous said...

"It's the good girls who keep diaries; the bad girls never have the time."

Tallulah Bankhead

macasism said...

Tallulah for sure. Hey, what about Mae West? She was mostly about sex, but she gave as good as she got. And while we're at it, why not Marlene Dietrich? Jeeze, the more you look, the more you find. Feminism did not begin in the '70s, nor is it a fait accompli.

Anonymous said...

One word:

GARBO

kora in hell said...

Yes!! It's the pre-code films that knock me over. Garbo in Red Dust. Dietrich in Blonde Venus. Ooo! They are bad.

Just yesterday I was looking for an image of Barbara Stanwyck in Stella Dallas (the most significant film treatment of class and fashion).

Mildred Pierce is Women's Studies 101 feminist filmmaking and a darned good weepy.

The movies aren't great but for style and reparte nothing beats Loy and Powell in the Thin Man.

In my early twenties I was stuck inside for a weekend when a Bette Davis retrospective was being played on some local station that played them one after another. It was transformative. And nothing beats All about Eve.

This I could rabbit on about for days.

Anonymous said...

"Yes!! It's the pre-code films that knock me over. Garbo in Red Dust. Dietrich in Blonde Venus. Ooo! They are bad."

How about Louise Brooks, then.

Jules said...

Grrr, what a day at work! But Boys, you sure brightened my evening! Kudos on your best post yet!

Katharine Hepburn - my hero! My best birthday present was a "can't take it with you but can have it forever" gift from my parents before I went to bootcamp: tickets to see Kate in West Side Waltz in Chicago. It was the follow up to On Golden Pond but the flip side - life alone without love. Damn, that made my day & life - to see Kate on stage, only 2 rows away from me! I treasure that memory as my best gift ever!!!

mandy said...

oh, what a fabulous post, boys. thank you. (in particular for celebrating Carole Lombard, who in my opinion rarely gets her due; she was truly extraordinary.)

I know this is the age of Lindsay and Paris and all other manner of trash-fabulosity, but I like to think we have some Dames around even now, fighting the good fight by sheer force of their glamorous awesomeness. I think it would cheer me up if we could all come up with a list. ideas, anyone? my nomination is the supremely elegant Mary McDonnell. others?

Anonymous said...

Three A's:
Anne Bancroft
Ava Gardner
Anne Baxter

Brian said...

Lovely post and fascinating responses! I'll have to watch LiW to appreciate those quotes!

I wanted to mention Eve Arden in a movie called Voice of the Turtle with Ronnie Regan and Eleanor Parker. The zaniest, most madcap Eve Arden you've ever seen! Her hats if nothing else! Watch her try one on before she goes out, a total hoot!

And Ida Lupino in the following... They Drive By Night, High Sierra, The Hard Way and my personal favorite Roadhouse, with Ida at the piano in the bowling alley lounge singing One More for the Road. Not as hard edged as the previous 3 movies mentioned but that stiff hairdo more than makes up for it!

I can't help thinking that the studio system had a lot to do with why these women are so timeless. I don't know how to explain it, but I feel like the fact that these studios were run by men whose passion was film first and foremost had a lot to do with nurturing the talent these women had. Nevermind the fights over parts and the suspensions, these women learned their craft and got paid for it. The studios could be a prison but I think there was also a freedom or security in being with them.

For good or bad, they also protected some of these women from themselves by cleaning up and covering up their personal messes and making sure they were always seen in their best light. The focus was always on the work and after all these years we still watch and enjoy. Who will remember Lindsey Lohan and her ilk in 50 years? At least in terms of their movies.

Brian

Anonymous said...

One more LiW quote:

Henry II (Peter O'Toole): I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor (Kate Hepburn): At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

yawningdog said...

Did you know that 'Lion in the Winter' was Anthony Hopkins first film. Can you imagine that cast for your first film, it has to down hill from there on.

alice said...

thegayboys said:
"Lion in Winter. Yes, this is why we have the best readers."
The reason you have the best readers is because you have the best blogs ever! please keep it going strong!
love you guys!!!

thombeau said...

I love you guys. And I love those gals!

Trish said...

That you for the great tribute. These ladies and their films are my justification for a Netflix subscription. Now I have a bunch of films to add to my queue.

malan breton said...

If there were champions of film and theatre in this generation. These women would be forgotten. But luckily their influence is timeless their look is beautiful and every woman aspires to look like them. There are really no new style Icons, they all have embraced what is old and made it their own. How exciting it would have been to see Joan Crawford in Adrian before the Nolan Miller Dynasty or Halston redux. Or Katherine Hepburn as photographed by Hurrell before Photographer Len Prince, Herb Ritts or any other. I adore this and know Hollywood of yesteryear will never be forgotten. As long as people aspire to glamour.You could learn a lot by educating yourself and giving yourself a little glamour. Live! live! live! I know I do.

Leilani said...

Great, great post. Some great comments too. I'm so happy to see the Myrna Loy love, since I utterly adore her.

Of all the dames, I think Kate is probably my favorite, although I can't join in the Philadelphia Story love, since I thought that movie had some hints of misogyny in it. Still, Kate was fabu, as always, and yeah, she did have Cary Grant and Jimmy Stewart in the palm of her hand, and who doesn't respect that?

DanielDC said...

Gosh, I love this post. You guys are amazing (Boys and readers)! Bette Davies; any movie! I worship this woman.

Badger said...

How about Constance Bennett or Gloria Swanson?

SUB said...

Any of the actresses named have my attention.
But . . .
I have always loved Auntie Mame and would have loved to live that lifestyle. Rosalind Russell may not seem as ball busting as some others, but I can't think of anybody else as Mame Dennis. Night Must Fall is a must-see. Roz did play a bitch (who didn't) in The Women.

Badger said...

How about "Stage Door"?

One thing I've noticed about those 1930's movies is that the actors in those films just had a way with dialogue. I saw the PBS production of the Broadway revival of "The Women" a few years ago and it just wasn't the same. It's not that the actresses weren't good or that they made drastic changes to the play but somehow it just wasn't the same.

When I was still in grade school -- back when dinosaurs roamed -- I found a book at our library which was a collection of movie magazine articles from the 1920's and 1930's. Unfortunately, it was pretty much torn up -- people had cut out pictures and articles, etc. Anyway, the library ended up discarding the book and I could never remember the title to request it. Then about 20 years later, I'm rummaging around in the bargain bin at Waldenbboks and what do I find but a pristine copy of the book in question for only 10 cents! I scooped it up and bought it immediately. Talk about serendipity! It's a real treasure especially if you know to read between the lines. The name of the book is "Hollywood and the Great Fan Magazines" for those who might be interested.

Vic said...

As long as people aspire to glamour.You could learn a lot by educating yourself and giving yourself a little glamour. Live! live! live! I know I do.

Yes you do, Malan, dahling! And you contribute to so much of it yourself. Happy Holidays, you beautiful man.

Anonymous said...

What a subject! Thank you!

One of Barbara Stanwyck's last roles, that of Mary Carson in the mini-series "The Thornbirds"...how wicked was she in that?

"The Lion in Winter"...my all-time favorite movie! The remake with Glenn Close and Patrick Stewart pales in comparison with Kate and Peter O'Toole, in my opinion. The script is the same, but there's no comparison between them when uttering these lines:

Eleanor: What would you have me do? Give out? Give up? Give in?
Henry II: Give me a little peace.
Eleanor: A little? Why so modest? How about eternal peace? Now there's a thought.

Henry was 18 when we met, and I was queen of France.He came down from the north to Paris with a mind like Aristotle's...and a form like mortal sin. We shattered the commandments on the spot.

Eleanor: I adored you. I still do.
Henry II: Of all the lies you've told, that is the most terrible.
Eleanor: I know. That's why I've saved it up until now.

Dear, dear, whatever shall we do with mother?

Hepburn's performance was absolutely magnificent. It led me to do a little research on Eleanor of Aquitaine to see if she was anything like the person as Kate portrayed her. She was.