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Yeah, we already used this picture. Sue us.
Now. Where were we?
We like. The white jacket is a bold choice that wouldn't look good on everyone but probably would've looked great on Tiki.
There's something weird going on with those pants, though. Poor boy's got saddlebags. And once again, those are the WRONG shoes. Is it us, or is the accessorizing way off this season?
Still, it's the jacket that makes the look. She was smart to make what looks like a simple t-shirt. It gave her more time to work on her other pieces and it lets the jacket do all the work visually. We really love the collar on this thing.
And the tailoring is almost dead-perfect.
Not much else to say than that. A well-executed, stylish look appropriate for the client and the venue. So of course, the judges completely ignored it.
We really loved this look. Sure it's a little too gay, a little too John Bartlett for Tiki Barber, but it was still a great look. There are a couple things wrong with the styling and tailoring, though. For one, those pants are too long.
For another, unless that boy's hung like a gay porn star, THAT's an insane crotch. But look! A BELT! HALLELUJAH!
Yes, the ascot was a ridiculously bad choice to make, but we loved that he used knitwear and we love the contrasting collar and cuffs. We kinda suspect that the ascot was a last-minute choice to cover up the fact that the collar is so wide. We wonder if people were having problems with their collars this week because Tiki's neck is so thick.
All in all, it's a stylish look that may not have been right for the client, but WE'D certainly wear it.
And kudos to Steven for hiding his erection while working.
[Photos: Bravotv.com - Screencaps: Project RunGay]
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I really liked Victorya's too, much as I can't stand her, but I thought the white was too stark. And Steven's ascot was just silly, but the overall look was good.
But never mind all that, how have you restrained yourself from Tiki Barber's wife and Heidi's aesthetically not pleasing looks?
The only thing prettier than Victorya's outfit was her model.
Oucha-Magoucha! Cute with a capital Q!
Love, love, LOVED the look. Clean stylish, hip and smart.
Steven's ... not so much. A little too Poindexter, with the high waist, insane crotch, and knit jersey.
Kudos to Steven!
Smiling ear to ear,
his eyes disappear,
Kudos to Steven!
"There's something weird going on with those pants, though. Poor boy's got saddlebags."
But she used the same pants pattern as Jack. That combined with the pix of his torso, makes me think that he might just be one of those body builder types, who have thighs that can crack walnuts.
I liked the style of the jacket, and the look as a whole, but I've always been under the impression that, for TV, you stay away from white (as well as black & busy patterns - which is why I've been mystified by so many of the design choices this week).
As for Steven's: Between the outfit & the styling, he looks like a flight attendant for Lufthansa Airlines.
--GothamTomato
I, for one, certainly did not mind the repost of the first picture. I will miss all the boys this week. Sure, there will probably be another body shot of Jack. But after seeing all of his nude pictures on the internet (including his pee-pee) I've gotten a little bored with him.
That first pic is so hot, it's disturbing.
Well, I'm a big time homo so I LOVED Steven's outfit. I've worn that look many times, sans the ascot, of course.
Both of these (and Jillian's) were better than the top three.
To me the notch on the collar of Victorya's jacket is a little wonky, and it looks like there was a crease in the jacket were she was going to roll the lapel and maybe desided not to. Over all very nice and wearable and original too.
Steven's execution is very nice. I could see someone wearing this. The crotch and collar are pattern making problems, but fairly easy to correct (if you have enough time).
I thought in this challenge, they were to design an outfit for Tiki to wear on the Today Show, but it was to be "fit" for the model. However it wasn't very clear.
"GothamTomato said..
As for Steven's: Between the outfit & the styling, he looks like a flight attendant for Lufthansa Airlines."
Note to self: fly Lufthansa next time.
I LOVED the knitwear collar with the blazer-it was nice. Woulda looked good on most men. Stephen's looked very 1984, but still looked ok.
Anyone keeping track of Michael Kor's very physical recoils and looks of horror this season? I keep having flashbacks to the Eliza spitcident, and laughing at his expression.
The ascot completely ruined Steven's outfit for me. Of course, it was nowhere near the worst thing on the runway. Really liked Victorya's jacket too.
For TV you stay away from Busy patterns (they strobe) and bright colors (they distract).
Which makes Jack's winning outfit -a colorful shirt with stripes - a puzzlement.
White is perfectly acceptable - particularly for a host.
Victorya's outfit was absolutely Faboo.
Never been on Lufthansa Airlines, but if their flight attendants look anything like that, I'm spending this Christmas in Berlin.
" Sewing Siren said...
I thought in this challenge, they were to design an outfit for Tiki to wear on the Today Show, but it was to be "fit" for the model. However it wasn't very clear."
I agree, very confusing: Outfit for Tiki keeping in mind what he likes/dislikes, for the Today Show, but also taking into account what the wife said, AND looking good on the model on the runway. WHAT?
Both of these are nice; Steven's model looks like he's trying to hold in a fart in every picture...
Of course it figures that the ONE TIME Victorya had a unique and aesthetically pleasing design the judges ignore her...But make a black sack with no thought of female form and the judges drool over her.
Victorya's was my favourite look, but it wasn't really right for the Today Show. Again, the editing was leaning towards the designers who were flailing, instead of those who found a creative way to solve the problem and stay on the show.
I agree that Steve's ascot was to hide imperfections in the shirt. And making a sweater instead of a jacket--creative problem solving.
btw, if you see my name and it's not blue, it's not me.
"We wonder if people were having problems with their collars this week because Tiki's neck is so thick."
I think so, which is kind of ridiculous. How can you make something that will look good on Tiki and on a skinny model at the same time? Tiki even said that he had a hard time finding things that would fit him well.
You know I'm finding that I have nearly zero recall on the outfits this week, but I remember the models. They were just so pretty! Way prettier than the girls. And then they walked the runway. Just as badly as the girls. They needed to stand still. And leave the unmemorable clothes off.
being ever alert to manly crotches and the contents therein, i observed, of course, the emptiness of these pants. it's disappointing and does the model a disservice. or maybe it exposes facts best kept under wraps. but that limp, low hanging crotch was dreadful.
it makes me wonder, though, if the designers were making necks too wide to accommodate Mr. Tiki's musculature, were they also making extra room elsewhere to accommodate Mr. Tiki's . . . . um, well, musculature?
I LOVED VictorYA's model, he was so, so, so hot. OMG, I would buy the outfit if he came in it. However, take away the model and you get a well-made waiter's uniform. The jacket was very nicely done, but it looked like something a waiter would wear, I am serious.
I did love Steven's design. It was very gay and hot. Except for the ascot, I would wear it. I agree that he probably put the ascot on there to hide how big the collar is at the neck. I think Tiki would have looked nice in it, but apparently it was too gay for him.
Out of all the outfits I liked Steven's the best. I think he should have won or at least been in the top 3. But everyone seems to agree the judging was jacked up for this episode. It seems the judges checked out for this one. BTW-Steven's model was hot too, but not as hot as VictorYA's.
I love these looks. They both did a great job! And I want to go out with VictorYA's model.
Victorya's was better looking in the screen caps than I remembered, but then it flew by so fast, who could tell? Other than the 'insane crotch' (loving that term, thanks Duchess!), Steven's was nice.
.....and what is it with the styling? How can these guys not know the correct shoes and/or belts to put on their models?
Most of the outfits in this challenge strike me as being very 80's. Is it maybe because that's when I first became aware of men's fashion and so little has chnaged since then?
These were both nice. But I'm bored. I'm ready for corn husk dresses and outfits for Barbie.
Bring it, PR4, before you lose me.
And just WHAT, exactly, is wrong with an ascot? Ascots rule.
It's a good point about Tiki's neck. Remember, this isn't just "menswear", it's menswear to fit one of the most freakishly shaped men on earth. Normal people do not have 20" necks.
That first pic insane. Look how how low is pants are! There must be ass meat peeking out the top.
But I'm not buying gothamtomato's claims that he's a bodybuilder and therefore has big thighs. He's a skinny, no-fat model boy who's toned enough to look...well...toned. But a bodybuilder? No.
And I agree with those who say that Victorya's jacket was way too much white for TV.
Victorya's jacket combined with Chris' shirts/pants would been perfect.
Like you, I loved the contrasting collar & cuffs of Steven's...but...that's about it.
VictorYa's was my 2nd place. I thought Steven's was going to be the one that the "Its Blah" soundbite they keep playing of Heidi came from....
" Donny B said...
That first pic insane. Look how how low is pants are! There must be ass meat peeking out the top."
One can only hope. This picture is my wallpaper now :D
Ascot's are tired. Only Quention Crisp or Truman Capote would look good in an ascot. That is what is wrong with them. It's not something you see every day and it's not something associated with masculinity at all.
This challenge irritates me more and more....
Tiki's not afraid of color, texture, etc., but forget that because this is for the Today Show.
I liked Victorya and Steven's, and they should have been contenders but for the Today Show/wet blanket factor.
Yeah, we already used this picture. Sue us.
No way, darlings! Recycling is good for the earth. And recycling that body does this body good.
Seth said...
I LOVED VictorYA's model, he was so, so, so hot. OMG, I would buy the outfit if he came in it.
Hee hee--this made me giggle like a 12-year-old. Yeah, I would too--as long they didn't clean it first!
As for Steven's--it's nice but I was never a fan of the tucked-in sweater look. Just my personal taste.
We wonder if people were having problems with their collars this week because Tiki's neck is so thick.
But unless I totally missed it, they never even got Tiki's measurements!
Anne
I think part of the issue with accessories this year is the Bluefly connection. That place is like the world's most expensive yard sale. Especially for manthings. And please may I for a moment throw up publicly in response to their horrible commercials.
For TV you stay away from Busy patterns (they strobe) and bright colors (they distract).
Okay, but doesn't that make Tiki's insistence that he's not afraid of color and wears pink kind of entrapment? Wouldn't it have been just as easy to say, "I love color in my personal wardrobe, but of course for TV there are things I have to stay away from."
I don't think it's such common knowledge that it can be assumed that the designers know what will work on the set of the Today Show. I wouldn't!
Which makes Jack's winning outfit -a colorful shirt with stripes - a puzzlement.
That's what I'm saying. Some of the things that were ignored, it seems to me that we're saying they were ignored/villified because of the same things that got that mess of Jack's *chosen*!
And in case anybody wants to hear it again, what REALLY irritates me is that TIKI LOOKED STUPID ON THE TODAY SHOW!!!! He looked AWFUL! He looked like he handed that fabric to somebody and said, "Look, just make me a shirt and pants out of this that will fit me. No, seriously. And add some goddamn belt loops. What do you mean strobing? What the hell is strobing? Don't waste my time with this nonsense, I'm contractually obligated to wear it. No, seriously. They pimped me out to Project Runway. I know, that's totally going to put paid to the gay rumors."
Anne
Off topic/meta question: When I check this blog at my work computer, the front page is the most recent posts. However, when I check it at home, it's always several days behind. For example, last night, the top post was the one on Sweet P. I don't have this issue with any other blogger blogs that I visit. What's up with that?
Victorya's outfit, while great, would be hugely problematic for TV, don't you think? Keeping Tiki from looking like a big white blog would create a lighting nightmare, and on a live set, they just don't have time for it. It's a great look for men in general, but the judges were right in ignoring it for this particular challenge.
I love Steven's designs. That’s my kind of style. Here in in Europe, lots of men wear ascots.
to me, victoria's jacket looked like she tried to make a standard lapel, couldn't make it work. so, between that and the huge neck hole she left for tiki, she ended pressing the thing in and adding a little trim on the cuffs to make it look intentional.
i liked steven's look. reminds me of an old french movie (picture jean gabin in it).
k.
to me, victoria's jacket looked like she tried to make a standard lapel, couldn't make it work. so, between that and the huge neck hole she left for tiki, she ended pressing the thing in and adding a little trim on the cuffs to make it look intentional.
i liked steven's look. reminds me of an old french movie (picture jean gabin in it).
k.
Oops, meant to say "blob" instead of "blog." Paging Dr. Freud!
Tiki would look like a gigantic white brick in Victorya's outfit.
White is a tough color for television due to technological issues. (At least it used to be a million years ago). Otherwise, a perfect jacket for TB.
Steven -- mommypants and an ascot. Sorry.
Dear T&L,
Love, love, looove you bitches! But lighten up! And please bring back the funny. Yes, we know you know your fashion and love you ripping the sewing. But we miss the Angela hand-puppets, the thought bubble conversations, the expression assessments, et al. OMG, i felt like some of the expressions on Kevin while looking at Tiki (editorially manipulated or not) were absolutley comedic cannon fodder served up to y'all on a platter! Yet as opposed to ridculing him for the divine pleasure of us all...you affirm his straightness! Yawn! Who cares if he's straight or not?!?! The man's boring enough, he could USE a little unfounded rumour and quite frankly anyone who crows about his sexuality as much as he does obviously loves a little bit of the tension/attention caused by the ambiguity of his look(?)! Dave Navarro used to french his Jane's Addiction bandmates. I saw him do it. He's straight. Didn't make it less hot! But now I am thinking about it:\
I digress...Now, I know some fan or maybe even y'all are gonna tell me not to let the door hit me on the way out, but you can call me Jennifer Holiday or Hudson...I'm Stayin'! But I wanted you divas to know.
"macasism said: btw, if you see my name and it's not blue, it's not me."
It's weird that a different person can sign up for the same name, but just a different color - or just a space between the words. Had I known that was possible, I would have registered other variations of my name - then abandoned them - just so that couldn't happen.
--GothamTomato
"For another, unless that boy's hung like a gay porn star, THAT's an insane crotch."
A crotch like that is a kind of false advertising (like a toupe or a push-up bra).
I'm wondering how that could even happen. Did he take a zipper meant for the front of a jacket & use it on the pants instead? Or maybe he just left extra room for Tiki to wear a cup?
-GothamTomato
Gotham, you can't sign up for a colour, it's just that when it's blue you're using your google account, when it's black, it's just a nickname.
I was having technical difficulties switching between work and home machines for a while so I gave up the account and just used the nickname. It's working now, so to differentiate myself from trolls, I'm going to use it.
OK, enough techie/troll crap. Move along, nothing to see here. Get to the snark.
If I'm not mistaken, the thought bubbles & puppets were fourfour.
I thought both these looks were better than Jack's. Were either of them right for Tiki to wear on the Today Show? No, but Jack's wasn't either. And that's the problem with this challenge. Boring begets boring. And whack judging begets whack results.
I'd have loved to get Tim's Take on all this, but apparently those damn Weinsteins decided not to make full use of their best asset this year (see Tim's BPR interview). Big mistake. And it seems like he's getting less screen time too. Another big mistake.
Colour? Favourite? Why the wrong spellings? Are we in Canada now?
My second favorite thing about the return of Project Runway is the return of Project RunGAY! Hooray!
But you're right; the Tiki Barber episode was pure suckage. Personally, I thought Chris should've won and he wasn't even in the top three. And beyond that, it was just bo-o-o-o-oring.
Seth said that VictorYA's jacket looked like something a waiter would wear. I agree. Took the words right out of my mouth. But I like the ascot, call me old fashioned.
" Anonymous said...
Colour? Favourite? Why the wrong spellings? Are we in Canada now?"
Perhaps there's a Brit or Canadian among us, or several. The PRGBoys have readers in many countries. Every now and then I read a "bloody" or "colour" something. I'm in Germany, but I tend to write American English. :)
Yes!! The thought bubbles and Angela puppets WERE fourfour.
*sigh* miss them. Rich isn't blogging the show this season - too busy.
Regarding colors/ trolls/ spaces/ names/ bickering/ whining/ blah blah blah ...
*yawn* Sandbox stuff.
I disagree with the PRG boys: when I saw Victorya's outfit I said "Whoa...cruise director!". And it does look like a jacket with the lapel turned up. ekh.
Testing 1 2
Angela puppets were the boys.
Here it is!
I thought Steven's model looked gay gay G-A-Y! I mean that as compliment, darlings. LOVE my gays!
VictorYA's? Check, please.
I've noticed there seems to be less Tim in these episodes. Is it because it's too early in the show? I can't wait for tomorrow because they really need to step it up.
bettie, I stand corrected. Thanks.
You boys are still the best thing about PR. mwa!
If there were a god, we'd see Victorya's model every week. What a sweetie!
-- desertwind
OMG, I forgot about the Angela puppets, when I looked again I almost died. Please, please PRGay boys, bring back the puppets and more more more humor. I agree with whomever was saying you let Kevin off way too easy.
See, I like Victorya's outfit. I really did. Well-executed, interesting. But I found it (plus the model) disturbingly reminiscent of Keanu Reeves in Much Ado.
Is Steven's model Posh Spice in male form? Would it kill him to smile?
Victoria's jacket looked very waiterish, but the model was smokin'.
Steven's look was different and interesting, I think Ticki would have looked good in that.
Linda said...
Of course it figures that the ONE TIME Victorya had a unique and aesthetically pleasing design the judges ignore her...But make a black sack with no thought of female form and the judges drool over her.
I still think Victorya's design was a little waiterly, but I completely agree with you about her other designs! If the judges fawn over one more fucking sack dress I think I'm going to go insane!
I'm becoming afraid that it is the producers' strategy to de-emphasize Tim this season because he has become such a star. What are they afraid of? He hardly exudes the "I'll shake them down for bajillions of dollars" greed. He shares the spotlight generously and clearly has a good relationship with Heidi. What is really going on behind the scenes? Inquiring minds want to know!!!
quick bit of wonky talk: I don't think we can "trademark" our display names in all their variations to protect ourselves from trolls. I only use this name for a select few sites, but not all that I frequent. However, I found that I had to give up my more standard display name in order to register "agnes gooch." Le sigh.
"Yes!! The thought bubbles and Angela puppets WERE fourfour.
*sigh* miss them. Rich isn't blogging the show this season - too busy."
Aww... that's too bad. I loved FourFour's recaps! They were the best. He's so funny. Those puppets were hilarious.
"Regarding colors/ trolls/ spaces/ names/ bickering/ whining/ blah blah blah ...
*yawn* Sandbox stuff."
I agree. All the petty bickering over names, tattoos and spelling is childish and tedious. Everyone needs to lighten up!
I liked VictorYA's outfit too but it felt a little "Modern Bride, 2006."
agnes gooch -- an easy solution would be to just sign up for another google mail account, and use that for your other screen name.
k.
I thought Victorya's looked like a waiter's coat too, and Stephen's just didn't look like something Tikki Barber would ever wear. An ascot? Really?
I thought Stephen's look had a casual elegance, it does have a somewhat metrosexual vibe.
Sorry, I think it's STEVEN, right?
My knee jerk response to Victorya's jacket is it looks like a waiter's jacket.
Maybe I wouldn't have a problem with her outfit if I hadn't waited tables all through college.
lisasabatier said...
"But never mind all that, how have you restrained yourself from Tiki Barber's wife and Heidi's aesthetically not pleasing looks?"
Exactly! The outfit Heidi was wearing at the beginning of the episode was so dull, matronly and ugly. I immediately thought, 'Oh look, Mamie Eisenhower went outside without her skirt on. Again.'
uuuuh yeah, that crotch was ridiculous. I can't believe it! Well, I think your blog is hysterical. Keep up the good work. I wrote about Carmen Webber in my blog today.
My Fashion Blog
I don't know, though. I mean personally, I really enjoy an insane crotch. Any crotch, really, will do. You could say I live for crotch.
Victorya's: loved it.
Steven's: not so much.
Accessories: ye Gods, make it stop. My eyes!
Love the site, but quick note: You shouldn't come down on the judges for "ignoring" certain designs in favor of others. In truth, they probably comment on all of them with equal vigor. It's the producers who choose what makes the grade for TV. (In this case, I'm assuming they glossed over the judges' comments on certain outfits because those certain outfits just made Jack's win even more ridiculous-seeming.
I'm officially retired. If you seen anyone using my name ever again, it's not the real me, but some idiot child who thinks he's ever so funny.
I'll be posting again, asshole, but you'll never know it's me.
That first model is HOT! No wonder the designers couldn't finish their garments. I would be staring at their "insane crotches" the whole time.
Random thoughts:
I miss Tim!
How much older is Tiki's wife than him? And don't say they are the same age.
What great insight did she bring to the show? Why did they have her there? So we could see what to wear when you've been rode hard and put away wet?
Were the models supposed to be the same proportions as Tiki?
Looks like another team challenge tonight....Is it just me or does anyone else hate those?
BTW I would venture a guess as to say Tim simply doesn't have TIME to recap this season. The man is everywhere you look now.
I wish there was away to see the "unedited" PR footage....like maybe they can put on their website whatever ended up on the cutting room floor. There are so many designers the first few weeks that the models FLY down the runway. Thank God for TiVo and the pause button.
Sorry...off topic:
- What happened to "Road to Runway"?
- What happened to Tim's podcast?
- Are we watching this show jump the shark?
- Non-Anon
"macasism said...
I'm officially retired. If you seen anyone using my name ever again, it's not the real me, but some idiot child who thinks he's ever so funny."
Before you switch, complain to blogger about the impersonator. The address to complain is: http://help.blogger.com/?page=contact
--GothamTomato
I disagree about Victorya's jacket, which looks like something a busboy would wear, but I thought Steven's outfit rocked. Add a teddy bear and you have Brideshead Revisited.
Steven is turning out to be the one I'm watching closely, with loopy but talented Elisa a close second. Chris is working under the radar, but I am expecting great things from him.
I guess I was the sole disliker of Victorya's jacket. White sport coat and a pink carnation and all...
Between that jacket and all the ugly buck shoes on the runway, did someone call Pat Boone???
I'm going against the grain too. I totally disliked VictorYa's outfit. Waiter was the only thing in my mind. And I agree with others that Tiki would literally be a white elephant in the room.
Also, I don't dig her at all. For some reason, she's my *least* favorite this year. She not a bad designer per se, but something about her bothers me to no end.
I loved Steven and I love a proper ascot (old fashioned here too... *waves*). It may have been a bit much on this case, because it just looked too busy and ended being too busy on the runway.
Btw, guys, today is already Wed! Aren't you gonna comment on Chris, Elisa, Christian, etc...?
Sorry for rushing you guys... I'm just anxious to read it.. heheh..
:-)
I agree, you guys are slacking; where is the rest of the commentary before the new episode tonight at 9pm? I keep checking back, but there is nothing new. Please please please give us more content!!
I kind of think the insane crotch on Steven's pants was part of his erection-hiding strategy--you know, so he didn't have to get his hands all up in that boy's junk.
Speaking of which, I totally swooned for Steven when he was talking about how he finally understood what straight guys mean when they talk about being surrounded by beautiful models. It was so adorable.
...and again the troll impersonates: the post above, posted at 10:26 AM
was NOT me, but was posted by the impersonator/troll.
Anyone here who is being impersonated, Blogger does have a way for you to complain. Again, here is the link:
http://help.blogger.com/?page=contact
Blogger can take action against him/her.
--Gotham Tomato
I think it was on Blogging Project Runway that I saw an interview with Tim in which he says he would love to still do the podcasts and Tim's Take, but that Bravo does not want them. Bastids.
Has anyone seen any other previews of this episode, other than the one that ends with Jack saying he wants to model swap? I need some insider info to make my Tresemme picks. Not that it helped in previous weeks.
gothamtomato, I am sure your situation is frustrating, but it appears to be a personal issue for you. Please don't waste space on here griping about your issues and keep comments limited to PR. I am sure that most people do not care what is going on with your life and only want to discuss the show we all love.
Actually, it's not personal, or about me.
The anon troll is impersonating numerous regulars here. I just posted the info that will allow those commenters to resolve their situations.
Then we can all get back to what we're here for.
--GothamTomato
Thanks for the link, Gotham.
I also appreciate your information, gotham. And I have done it. But I'll be posting anonymously for a while, just in case.
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Well, it's impersonating me too, but here's how you tell the difference - if it's witty, bitingly insightful and caustic, it's me. If not, it's not.
Anne
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