Musical Monday: Carousel

Monday, May 21, 2007 by
Girls, we tried. Really we did. But Flower Drum Song proved an elusive find and Musical Mondays take so long to do that by Friday, we had to give up and go to our second choice, Carousel. And holy cow, are we ever sorry. THIS was named the "Best Musical of the Century" by Time magazine? What the hell were those bitches smoking? Feh. You'll see what we mean. On with it, then.

Yes, it's Carousel! The Rodgers and Hammerstein classic about proto-white trash in 19th century New England! Stupid women! Angry men! Poverty and unemployment! Spousal abuse and unplanned pregnancies! It's a laugh riot, we tell you!

Our movie opens in heaven, which, depressingly, looks like it was decorated by a prom committee. Our "hero," Billy Bigelow (played by the not-as-hot-as-he-was-in-Oklahoma! Gordon MacRae) is dutifully polishing stars when he gets called into the Starkeeper's office. It should be noted that neither Rodgers nor Hammerstein were known to drop acid, so make of that what you will.

In the Starkeeper's office, we learn that there's trouble down on earth with Billy's kinfolk and if he wants, he can spend one day on earth making things right. Billy's not sure he wants to without an extensive flashback sequence, so this being heaven and all, he gets one.

And with a magic wave of lens filters, we're 15 years in the past in some small New England town. Of course our eyes are instantly drawn to the slutty girls to the left, but alas, this is their only appearance in the film.

Julie Jordan (Shirley Jones, also not as hot as she was in Oklahoma!) and her friend Carrie (we sat there for the first ten minutes going "Dinah Shore's in this movie?") are wandering the fairgrounds when they come across Billy, the barker for the carousel. The ladies moisten immediately.

Mrs. Mullin, the shrewish owner of the carousel, doesn't like these virginal bitches staring at her man. No, she doesn't like it at all.

Too bad, because Billy takes a shine to Julie immediately and he pulls his pants up to his nipples and hoists her on to the carousel. We keep trying to find some sort of metaphorical meaning for the carousel but damn if we can figure it out. We'll just call it foreplay.

Mrs. Mullin puts her hands on her hips and tells Billy if he ever lets that slut (yes, she really called her that) ride the carousel again (okay maybe it's just a metaphor for sex) he's fired. Billy pulls his pants up even higher and says "Fine by me, bitch." Julie's all "You quit your job for me?" and Carrie's all "Fuck this. I got a man with a good job. You losers work this out. I'm going home."

Even though she's going to lose her job if she doesn't get back to her dorm soon, Julie decides to stay with Billy while they sing about pretending to love one another. Yeah, this is a great start. Julie, you're a moron.

Not only does Julie's boss show up to take her home, but the local policeman shows up to fill her in on Billy's record. Julie! Pay attention! God's sending you just about every red flag there is ! Run away!

Moron.

A month later, Julie shows up at her cousin Nettie's restaurant to introduce him to her new husband. The look of disgust on Nettie's face is priceless.

Later, the townspeople are happy. Really, really happy. Scary happy.

Why? Because it's ...June.

Okay yes, New England winters are harsh and long, but that's no reason for every girl in town to spread her legs the first time the temperature hits 70, for Christ's sake.

Besides, we don't know why the girls are so excited.

Every man in this town is a raging queen.

And apparently, every woman in this town is in some serious denial.

Oh yeah. Loads of potential husbands in this town.

Meanwhile, Billy is engaging in what passes for 19th century graffiti, when the other heterosexual man in the town shows up, his jailbird friend Jigger.

After the ladies leave with their totally heterosexual men to hold hands and not have sex, Nettie tells Carrie that Billy's still unemployed and that he hits her. Julie's all "But you don't understand! It's really hard for him! The other boys don't like him for some reason!"
Carrie's all "You're the pretty one, you asshole. What the fuck is wrong with you? If I had those tits I'd be holding out for the richest man on the coast." Nettie enthusiastically agrees that Julie has really nice tits and then excuses herself quickly.

Jigger comes up with a plan to rob the local mill owner of 1500 bucks and Billy's not so sure. He's also not so sure that Jigger's entirely straight, what with the jaunty scarf tied around his neck and the Flashdance clothes.

Carrie's betrothed, Mr. Snow, shows up and he's appalled that Carrie has such low-class friends. Billy manages to insult everyone within 5 seconds. Julie is embarrassed. Jigger smokes.

Later, Mrs. Mullin shows up in a dusty old vagina hat to tempt Billy to come back to the carousel.

Julie shows a tiny little bit of spine and pushes the old bitch out of the way to tell Billy she's got a bun in the oven. This forces Billy to examine his life and decide where he's going with it.

It also forces him to sing. We're supposed to be rooting for him now but all we can think is "You'll let your boy do whatever he wants but if it's a girl you have to dress her up pretty and shelter her? You're an asshole."

Later, at the clambake, everyone sings about...the clambake. There are exactly two good songs in this movie and "A Real Nice Clambake" ain't one of them. The entire premise of the song is "Remember that meal we just finished eating?" Not R&H's finest work.

Jigger pulls Billy aside and says "Listen, while these losers are singing about food, let's head into town and rob that guy." Billy's all "I'm gonna be a father, so let's do it!"

Honestly, it's like an episode of COPS set in the 19th century.

And of course, the robbery goes off just about as well as you'd expect with these idiots.

Julie, once again proving just how stupid she is, cradles his head as he's dying and tells him how much she loves him instead of beating him with her shoe and screaming at him for leaving her penniless and pregnant.

Nettie shows up and sings at her. "You'll Never Walk Alone" is an astonishingly stirring song and one of R&H's best, which makes us wonder what the hell it's doing in this execrable film.

Back in heaven, the Starkeeper's all "Man, you really fucked that up, didn't you?" He tells Billy that he has a 15 year old daughter and she's really troubled. Wow! Who could have predicted that! Oh, that's right. Everyone but Julie and Billy.

So Billy and his parole officer head down to earth and watch his daughter Louise dance on the beach in an annoying ballet sequence that illustrates that she's lonely and the whole town thinks she's low-class.

Gee, where did they ever get that idea?

God, we hate these extended ballet sequences. Ten full minutes where you're ripped out of the story and just waiting for all the pretension to end so you can find out what happens next.

As the ballet ends with all her schoolmates taunting her, she loses it and tells them that she hates every single one of them.

Okay, she's the first person in this movie that we actually like. She spends her time shoving her crotch in boys' faces and telling the rest of the town to fuck off. What's the problem here?

Billy follows her home, scares the shit out of her and tries to give her a star. When she refuses, he slaps her. Great job, Billy! Next stop: HELL!

Louise runs inside to get her mother, but Billy goes invisible again because he can't face Julie.

Let's just paraphrase the dialogue here, shall we?

"Mama, he hit me and it felt like a kiss. Is that possible?"
"Yes, dear. Sometimes, someone can hit you and it doesn't hurt at all."

WHAT THE FUCK?! OhmiGOD, this film is offensive as hell.

This was the only other clip we could find on YouTube, so here it is:

Sure, we're supposed to think this is romantic or something, but they just spent two hours establishing how seriously fucked up these people are. One pretty little song reprise ain't gonna wash the bile away that easily.


Billy's got one more chance to fix things so he invisibly attends her graduation and whispers feel-good shit in her ear while her classmates sing "You'll Never Walk Alone." Suddenly, everyone magically loves Louise and all her problems are solved.

Whatever.

Then he tells Julie he loves her and gets to walk off into the sunset, a heroic ending that he doesn't deserve. Like we said: Whatever.

Darlings, we'd never seen this before and we'd heard nothing but good things about it, but this is one seriously fucked up story. In case you haven't figured it out yet, we HATED this movie. Oh well. Can't love 'em all.

Next week, come hell or high water, it's Flower Drum Song, bitches. And if not that, it's The Harvey Girls. We need fun and fabulosity to wash away this depressing film!

72 comments:

Anonymous said...

I guess this time I don't agree with you at all. The source material for this musical is even more grim, so I'm not sure exactly what you were expecting. And unfortunately, the movie version isn't as good as the play. Give R&H some credit for trying move musical theatre out of the silly fairy tale shows and into something remotely more realistic.

But anyway, thanks for the two film clips.

kat said...

Oh my, I was SO ready for some Chop Suey and Tiger Bone wine!

Ah...I'll hold on for another week.

Anonymous said...

"Give R&H some credit for trying move musical theatre out of the silly fairy tale shows and into something remotely more realistic."

Realistic? The movie starts off in heaven!

Anonymous said...

Actually that segment was forced into the movie against the wishes of the R&H. In the play it is not a flashback

FRank

Gorgeous Things said...

Oh man, I could never understand why everyone thought Carousel was so great. It sucked, plain and simple. And every baritone I ever sang with thought that Billy's Soliloquy was the best piece of music ever to come out of Broadway. Yikes!

If you're ever looking for a worst relationship movies ever double feature, team this one up with 7 Brides for 7 Brothers. Oh brother indeed!

Anonymous said...

Nick Verreos' blog mentions (with photo evidence) the two of you, himself and the ever fabulous Laura Bennett hanging out last week. Are we going to get the dirt?
Love ya,
Me2

Anonymous said...

Oops, sorry, I know that was totally off topic; I meant to post on Project Rungay.
Me2

Anonymous said...

I thought I was the only person in the world to hate 'Carousel.' Glad to know that persons of good taste such as yourselves are also appalled by how stupid and ridiculous these characters are.

I love Musical Mondays!

Jeff said...

The movie's terrible, for sure. But if it's done right, the stage version can really be something. I saw the Nicholas Hynter version at Lincoln Center and it blew me away. The movie tries to make these two really screwed up people into some version of normal musical comedy characters; on stage they can actually behave like human beings, which makes their all-too-human behavior (staying with a guy who hits you) make sense. Plus, that revival had Audra MacDonald as Carrie...wow.

Just remember, the first choice for Billy in the movie was Sinatra. Can you imagine?

thombeau said...

This movie confused and disturbed me as a child. Now I'm just annoyed.

Thanks for plowing through, boys. Hopefully whatever you do next Monday has more than just a dusty vagina hat!

Brandenburg3rd said...

It also forces him to sing. We're supposed to be rooting for him now but all we can think is "You'll let your boy do whatever he wants but if it's a girl you have to dress her up pretty and shelter her?" You're an asshole.
*****
Welcome to Life for a Girl as we knew it back then. (Hell, one mother told her daughter to knock off the studying because boys aren't attracted to smart girls and she'll end up without a hubby and *then* where will she be? AND THIS WAS IN 2003!!!)

Thank you for slicing and dicing. I never saw Carousel and, y'know, I don't have a burning desire to do so now. It may have been common as dirt for women to stay with abusive husbands and so on, but that doesn't mean I want to watch it. Frankly, I WANT my musicals to be more on the "silly fairy tale show" side of the scale. If I want the real world, I'll rent "Sybil" and then help out at the Brewster Shelter or Wingspan.

Musicals should make you want to get up and dance, not slit your wrists. (West Side Story ends with a main character being killed and it's more of an upper than this.) Jeez.

"In my opinion" that is.

KingRoper said...

I never liked this film... with the following exceptions:

The Carousel Waltz- beautious.

The line at the clambake: "Guess I shouldn'ta et them last four dozen clams..."

And the one I still use (sometimes too much)...
"Give it to 'im good, Carrie!
Give it to 'im good!
That'll larn him-
Darn him!"

But don't you love Shirley Jones as the Musical's first S/M bottom ingenue? All that hitting- and HARD, but it feels like a kiss...

Bill said...

"Of course our eyes are instantly drawn to the slutty girls to the left, but alas, this is their only appearance in the film." Thanks for a good laugh on a Monday morning.

I have always hated this movie. Like you (and it seems everyone else) I never understood all the acclaim for the movie. Horrible, abusive or stupid characters. And far too schmaltzy at the end.

I will however echo what Jeff said, this show can work quite well onsatge. I saw the 1994 Lincoln Center revival (produced in tandem with the RNT in London). It was a magical production. And Michael Hayden was an appealing Billy (unlike puffy Gordon MacRae whose alcoholism was beginning to take its toll on his appearance). And Billy commits suicide in the stage version instead of accidentally falling on his knife - it adds a bit more drama to things.

Interesting to note that other than Shirley Jones, not much went on career-wise for most of the folks in this movie.

Audrey Christie (Mrs. Mullin with the dusty v-hat) was more of a stage actress. She played the Paulette Goddard role (Miriam Aarons) in the original stage version of The Women.

The greatest claim to fame of the Starkeeper (Gene Lockhart) is probably fathering June Lockhart of "Lassie" and "Lost in Space" fame.

One of the policemen is Richard Deacon who most might know as Mel Cooley from "The Dick Van Dyke Show" or as Lumpy Rutherford's father on "Leave it to Beaver."

And Barbara Ruick (Carrie Pipperidge) might be remembered by the 40+ crowd for playing one of the nasty stepsisters (along with the fabulous Pat Carroll) in the Lesley Ann Warren TV version of R&H's Cinderella. Ruick's other big claim to fame would be as the wife of Boston Pops conductor & prolific movie theme composer John Williams (Star Wars, Jaws, Harry Potter, ET, Superman, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Close Encounters, etc, etc). Their son Joe was the lead singer of 80's band Toto.

I've always read that Frank Sinatra backed out of the Billy Bigelow role (he was on set in Maine for the first day of filming) when he found out every shot had to be done twice and he said he was only getting paid to shoot one movie.

madam ovary said...

Amen to Brandenberg3rd's comments. I watch musicals for escapism and/or good music.

Maybe sometime you could consider doing Guys and Dolls? Silly plot but fabulous music and a singing Marlon Brando.

aimee said...

"Oh yeah. Loads of potential husbands in this town."

*snort* I have never liked this movie, but reading this has only increased my love for you two.

Oh, and I grew up in New England and there were quite a few girls I knew who thought that the temperature going over 70 *was* an excuse to spread their legs. So I'll give them a pass on this one. It's realism!

Anonymous said...

I TOLD you bitches that this was a bad one... but nooo, you had to do it anyway.

I can't even read it I hate it so much.

"Clambake!"

Marty the Wizard

Annie said...

I've never seen Carousel but we sang You'll Never Walk Alone in my middle school chorus. That was fun.

And I was just thinking you should do Guys and Dolls too. Sit down, you're rockin' the boat!

Jeff said...

Barbara Ruick's son was in Toto? Ha! Thanks Bill.

As for the puffiness of Gordon MacRae, according to legend they had to airbrush the picture on the soundtrack album because his butt was too big. (I'm pretty sure I read that in Sheila MacRae's memoir, which is a fantastic read.)

Sewing Siren said...

"Of course our eyes are instantly drawn to the slutty girls to the left, but alas, this is their only appearance in the film."


Okay, now I want to change my screen name to " Slutty Girl to the left". ;)

And Bill, years ago my sister and I would look forward to the yearly TV broadcast of Leslie Ann Warren in Cinderella. I had forgotten about it until you mentioned it in your post. That's probably worth a rent. Thanks!

Anonymous said...

this second dose of gene macrae at least had me thinking back to meredith macrae. she sure was cute.

BrianB said...

Well that was interesting. I've never seen the movie or show either. I'm not sure I'm putting on the list.

The Senior Class ahead of mine in High School did this show at the end of the year and the gal who was to sing "You'll Never Walk Alone" broke her leg and, you guessed it, sang it from her wheelchair! It stopped the show!

BrianB

nso said...

The only time I saw Carousel was on stage by a not very good amateur teen-age theatre group. I was looking forward to it because it was a musical I'd never seen. All I can say is Yikes! It definitely had me wondering why this show has ever received any acclaim.

bitchybitchybitchy said...

I always thought this was one of R&H's lesser efforts - Shirley Jones was so damn wholesome, but I had forgotten how dumb her character was in the movie, and, Gordon was getting a bit chunky for romantic leads....

Great line about the "husband" material!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

I guess this time I don't agree with you at all. The source material for this musical is even more grim, so I'm not sure exactly what you were expecting. And unfortunately, the movie version isn't as good as the play. Give R&H some credit for trying move musical theatre out of the silly fairy tale shows and into something remotely more realistic.

But anyway, thanks for the two film clips.

Huh?
Intrinsically, by its very nature, musical theatre w/ its settings, dancing and singing to further the "story" are the trappings for fairy tales.
It cannot be "real" and keep its hyper-realist tone. As this film (not to mention "Showboat" et al)demonstrates.

Want real?

How about "Holocaust: The Musical"?
"West Side Sundan"?

Anna said...

I'm so glad i'll "never walk alone" when I speak of my disgust for this musical. Your blog was way more entertaining than the musical ever will be. :)

Bill said...

Jeff is right - Sheila MacRae's autobiography, "Hollywood Mother of the Year" is a terrific read. The cover picture is dynamite (Sheila in a beaded gown). And, wow, did she have a life story to tell. We see daughter Heather MacRae around NYC fairly often, and she is an absolute sweetheart.

Sewing Siren - do you recall in that version of Cinderella that it's General Hospital's Stuart Damon as the prince? Cradle robber Celeste Holm is the Fairy Godmother and reigning Dame/Diva Ginger Rogers is the prince's mother. For some reason, the songs "In My Own Little Corner" and "Impossible" made a huge impression on my older sister and me when we were kids. We sang them endlessly.

Kathryn said...

I originally had no comment on this movie, mostly because I haven't seen it and I'm bored with just writing about how hilarious you two are, but I HAVE to echo the two people who've suggested "Guys & Dolls." LOVE IT! I've got the revival soundtrack (with Peter Gallagher) and it's constantly on repeat. Pleassssee? =)

Jules said...

Bill, I'm with you on those 2 songs from the R&H TV Cinderella - they just really made an impression and were extremely singable. In fact, I have the soundtrack and still like them.

Anonymous said...

I too think Carousel is terrible although I confess I never made it through the entire thing because, well, see above.

Any interest in reviewing Guys & Dolls? I saw it recently and I gotta say, it's simply begging for a Project Gay review.

Anonymous said...

Remember OJ Simpson's public letter read out during the low-speed chase?

"my only problem is that I loved you too much."

-- desertwind

Jabes said...

I've never seen Carousel, but I know "You'll Never Walk Alone" bceause it's the anthem/theme music for the Liverpool Football Club in England. Just imagine 40,000+ (mostly drunk) football fans singing "Walk on, walk on with hope in your heart" at the top of their lungs at the end of a match. Awesome. (And it really is singing, not chanting, not yelling along to a recording of "We Will Rock You" -- singing!) But now I know at least that I should leave the musical alone and just enjoy the song from it!

mumblesalot (Laura A) said...

You did a heroic job of recapping this piece of misery.

Nine more days and it is June in new england There is a small carnival in town with weird carnies put on by the high school seniors. Maybe I will get out the video camera and make a musical.

Anonymous said...

oh -- yes, please guys and dolls!!!

k.

BrianB said...

Maybe the Leslie Anne Warren version of Cinderella would be a good picture for the Gayboys to recap. It would be one big love fest! What's campier than "The Prince is Having a Ball"? We LOVED Pat Carroll, she was never on TV enough to suit us!

BrianB

Vic said...

Mom and I sing show tunes at the top of our lungs while washing dishes or driving around the countryside. She never mentioned Carousel. She never showed me Carousel. Now you tell me Carousel sucks.

Thank you, Mom.

Anonymous said...

Jabes said...

I've never seen Carousel, but I know "You'll Never Walk Alone" bceause it's the anthem/theme music for the Liverpool Football Club in England. Just imagine 40,000+ (mostly drunk) football fans singing "Walk on, walk on with hope in your heart" at the top of their lungs at the end of a match. Awesome. (And it really is singing, not chanting, not yelling along to a recording of "We Will Rock You" -- singing!) But now I know at least that I should leave the musical alone and just enjoy the song from it!

OMG!
Ain't it the truth! I was watching a match @ Anfield Stadium (my best friend, Simon O'Brien--Damon from Brookside-- was covering it for a BBC travel show) and the ENTIRE stadium broke out into what I always associated w/ the Jerry Lewis Telethon. Had no idea it was from a (really awful)American musical.
A surreal experience to say the least.

Anonymous said...

how about Victor / Victoria? I know it's old hat (even a dusty old v-hat) but I love it. I would suggest Auntie Mame if it had even one song in it...

valpal said...

Like brandenburg3rd, this hit a nerve about being raised as a girl.

True story: I was at a high school boys' lacrosse game andh ad on cut off jean shorts and a halter top (it was the 70s). I was eating a creamsicle (this becomes important later). Two boys - one small and fresh and the other big and dumb -- from the opposing team began to harrass me with "compliments." I told the big guy that if he said anything else I would shove the creamsicle up his nose. He did; I did. He paused and then didn't hold back: he walloped me in the face with his open hand. Remember: he's a big high school lacrosse player. This was back when my 5'2" frame held about 112 lbs.

I saw stars, blinked back tears and tried not to fall down while the big lug kept staring at his hand and repeating "I can't believe I hit a girl." I headed home for some motherly love and commiseration. But, 3 miles later, by the time I rode my bike up the driveway, Mom had already heard (I think some kind of melee ensued after I left and other moms were only too eager to tell my Mom about it. ) Anyhow, Mom's assessment? It was my fault because I had "enflamed" (her word)the big guy with my outfit. (I might've bought into the blame thing if she had mentioned the creamsicle up the nose business, but that never made it into the conversation...it was a confusing time.)

This movie sucked.

PrFodorski said...

I dunno, guys. The Lincoln Center production of Carousel was glorious to look at (the opening sequence when the factory turned into the carousel literally made me cry), but the whole wife-abuse thing still creeped me out. Julie has no personality or character trait other than the fact that she enjoys being hit, and nothing they updated fixed that. Ewww.

I, too, was looking forward to Monday in Chinatown. Deep Discount Discount DVD has "Flower Drum Song" on DVD for $10.48, so what's the problem?

No vagina hats, but plenty o' penis hats–a great big right right on top of Nancy Kwan's head on the DVD cover.

My back is wet!

rooroob said...

I enjoyed this recap very much because
1) it was socially conscious and
2) I always wanted to know why Danny Aiello's character in "City Hall" (Pacino, Cusak, Aiello, and Francesca, so be quiet) loved it so much.

Not that I am one to tell creative geniuses what to do (much), but as I was strolling back through the award-winning Musical Mondays to pause at length on Cabaret, I was reminded that "All That Jazz" and "Chicago" are also musicals.

Hint.

Kat said...

I agree with the fact that this musical is basically wrong, but it did provide me with one of the most perfect party-planning coups in all eternity. A family friend of ours, June, decided to go from a size A to a C. So naturally, I threw a coming out party for the girls, and the theme was "June is busting out all over." Heaven can't get any better than that.

The Java Junkie said...

MY PROM looked like heaven in Carousel, right down to the slutty girls on the left!!!

As always, a fun Monday read, boys. Thanks!

Jason said...

This to me is some the finest music R&H wrote. The play has many faults and with our todays sensibilities...its hard to take. BUT I will have you know, that this film is horrible in comparison with the stage play. R&H didn't have much to say when it came to this film. Again, aside from the silly direction in this film, the music is fantastic.

Brandenburg3rd said...

Valpal:

O. M. F. G.

(said with slack jaw and wide eyes)

I was in high school in the 70s--at the time, my mother would have been in her {quick addition on fingers} late 50s--like 58-60, late. (Yes, I was a caboose baby!) And she would have never, NEVER thought to say that.

Now, she *probably* would have arched her eyebrow and said, "Calling him a cretinous Neanderthal with delusions of evolution would have been more effective" or something like that. But mom was a big believer in the pen being mightier than the sword.

Am I taking a wild guess that in your mom's world, women who are raped "asked" for it?

:-(

On a more pleasant topic... YES! Guys & Dolls! They just ran it on TCM (or something near that cable #) this weekend. And Victor/Victoria would be wonderful, too. ("There's nothing worse than an old queen with a head cold.") I wanted a Carroll Todd in my life more than I wanted a Will Truman (and that says a lot!).

valpal said...

When I first started reading Musical Mondays, I thought that they would be all fun and games. However, the movies themselves and then T&L's amazing commentaries are providing some pretty disturbing insights into how we and our folks were socialized back in those technicolor days.

It's great to know that we've all survived the trauma enough to have an opinion of who should be bloodied in the cage matches! Oy vey!

PS It was only a decade ago that an NC legislator stated that a woman who became pregnant as a result of a sexual assault could not have been raped as "it's a medical fact" that if "the woman gets wet" it means that she's aroused and therefore culpable. Double oy vey.

PPS Having said that, just watched "The Magnificent Seven." Yul Brynner! Have you done the "The King and I"? How about something with Esther Williams (Bill: you pick). I love those swimming sequences...

Caitlin said...

Ah, Carousel. How can you not love a movie whose theme is "It's all right if your husband beats you, as long as he loves you"? Excellent job, boys!

Megan said...

I have to disagree with the people who say that musicals are by their very nature fairy tales. Great musicals can be very grim, but hopeful - think Kiss of the Spider Woman. Its incredibly powerful on the stage (sadly I don't know of a movie version, but otherwise I would say that the gayboys should think about doing it) and its main storylines involve persecution and torture for homosexuality and political beliefs. Grim stuff, but incredible and powerful.

Megan said...

Ok, I was wrong - there is a movie version.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
How about "Holocaust: The Musical"?
"West Side Sundan"?

Actually, the theatre I work is known for their workshopping of new musicals, and one of the ones they've been developing for the past year or so is a musical about Terezin: It also apparently doesn't suck.

As for Carousel, loved your guys commentary on it, and I'm so glad you disliked it as much as I did!

TLo said...

We totally agree that musicals don't necessarily have to be happy fairy tales in order to work. Look at late-stage musicals like Funny Girl, Cabaret, or All That Jazz. No happy endings there.

The thing that bothered us so much about Carousel was that all this fucked up behavior was normalized - even praised. It all came to a head when Shirley Jones stoically looked off into the distance and told her daughter that sometimes a slap can feel like a kiss. Ten minutes later and the violent, irresponsible protagonist is literally walking off into the sunset as choral voices are raised in praise. It was gross.

jlp said...

I am laughing! Quel coincidence! Right after reading your scathing commentary on this musical, I received an announcement of next season's productions from a theatre company to which I subscribe.

You guessed it! Perhaps I should forward your blog to them and suggest that they reconsider. ;-)

Fruitbats said...

I remember seeing Hugh Jackman sing the part of Billy at the 2001 Carnegie Hall concert performance. Never did like the movie but damn he made me like the music better than Gordon MacRae ever did. Jackman had more sympathetic charisma just standing behind a mic not-acting than MacRae had in the entire friggin' movie.

There's rumour Jackman's production company are thinking about re-making it.

LauraLoo said...

mmmmmm..... Hugh Jackman as Billy..... mmmmmmm......

I agree with other posters here that the movie of this particular show SUCKS - it's truly squirmworthy. A lot of bad choices here. Mostly, though, I think they tried to make it into "Oklahoma". Which it just isn't.

oooo, speaking of shows that haven't traveled well into the late 20th, much less 21st century, have you done South Pacfic? Gotta wash that man right outta my hair....

Kristen said...

My sister and I grew up LOVING R&H, and this one always creeped us out. Can you guys do State Fair, please?

Anonymous said...

You two should subscribe to Netflix! I know they have Flower Drum Song.

Madeline said...

OH PLEASE!! If you think watching this crapola's bad, try being in it!! As Captain Haldol said, it was the nightmare of my life.

Anonymous said...

THANK YOU!!! I hate this musical with a passion and you girls pointed out all the reasons why. *mwah!*

Linda Merrill said...

"Okay yes, New England winters are harsh and long, but that's no reason for every girl in town to spread her legs the first time the temperature hits 70, for Christ's sake."
- sure it is... ;-) It's still cold here!

I've always heard, and felt, that R&H felt very strongly about social evils - such as spousal abuse (Carousel), Stalking (Ooooklahoma), racism (South Pacific), Nazism (Sound of Music) and used the vehicles of their staged musicals to expose these problems. Unfortunately, in all cases, the movie versions softened the edges - resulting in Billy ending up heroic and Ma Partidge looking like a wimp, etc. All the staged versions of these shows that I've seen have been harsher, yet more thoughtful.

And I don't believe either that musicals should be all sweetness and light. They evolved from opera, which certainly has it's share of death scenes.

And finally, I'd be all over Cinderella. Leslie Ann Warren's version was amazing and I too have sung "In my own little corner" on more than one occasion!

BrianB said...

Kristen said...
"...Can you guys do State Fair, please?"

Oh yes! They did both versions back to back today on Fox Movie Channel. Now, the first version with Jeanne Crain, Dana Andrews,Dick Haymes and Vivian Blaine is just about perfect. But the re-make with Pat Boone and Ann Margret? Yikes! I heard poor Alice Faye sing a song to Pamela Tiffin about something along the lines of "Don't Say No to a Man"! Which means the re-make needs the Gayboy treatment!

BrianB

Lady Prisspott said...

Netflix darlings, they have FDS. It is rather hard to find, it could be seen as portraying racial stereotypes and is guilty of blending several asian cultures into one, but, how many little junior miss drag careers were launched by "I like being a girl".

TLo said...

The reason why we don't use NetFlix to get the musicals is because of the timing of it. A MM post takes a full two days (at least) to put together and we can't rely on NetFlix getting the film to us in time, so we do it the old-fashioned way, by going to a video store.

Badger said...

Wasn't there a pop song back in the early 1960's that went "He hit me and it felt like a kiss?"

Some more trivia about CAROUSEL performers. Jan Clayton who originated the role of "Julie Jordan" on Broadway was the first "Lassie's mom" on television.

chicksinger said...

What Jeff and Bill and a few others have said. I have a hard time sitting through any film version of R&H's shows, but the 1990s stage revival (with La MacDonald) was, to borrow one of your terms, gorge. Do yourselves a favor and get the soundtrack -- the "If I Loved You" sequence is just so beautiful. Julie is still a wimpy character, but at least with this version, you feel like it's an honest wimpiness, not the polished and officially sanctioned lameness of the 50s. I think I saw the same Patrick Wilson of HBO's "Angels in America" as Billy -- yum!

Spring said...

You had me laughing so hard I had tears falling into in my spaghetti. I cannot tell you how much I wanted to stick a fork in my eye when I watched this horrible musical.

And I'll put in another plug for Guys and Dolls, it's a huge cheesey blast.

Minda said...

"Dusty old vagina hat" might be the best four words I've read in succession all day. Thank you for that, boys!

pokeystar said...

I second both Guys & Dolls and Victor/Victoria (I am known to sing Mein Herr, Is there anyone here for love or Le Jazz Hot - in the shower and not well.) and further request Neptune's Daughter.

Also, Singin' in the Rain!!

Also Moon over Miami!!

Bill said...

But if the movie wasn't enough for you, it's now playing onstage in Philly

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/weekend/20070525_Walnut_St_s_Carousel_busts_out_all_over.html

tripletmom96 said...

i grew up on this musical (and all of the r&h musicals) - we had the soundtrack so my first impressions of this was the music. there really are some beautiful songs in this. i read somewhere that this was richard rogers' favorite of all of their musicals. i saw this on stage as a young girl with john raitt who was a much better billy bigelow. that said, when i started collecting musicals this was one of the first ones i purchased -- i was appalled at the story -- i didn't remember the abuse and what a total jackass billy was. i do remember thinking that julie was a bit of a twit for falling for this guy who had no ability or inclination to make a living. later i learned that the original story was very dark and that r&h struggled with making a pallatable musical out of this. i guess that for 50's-60's mentality it succeeded, but it just doesn't work too well in today's culture (thank god!) still, "when you walk through a storm" is a classic, beautiful song, as is "if i loved you", so at least something good came out of this.

thanks for a great critique as only the gay boys can do it!

Anonymous said...

Oh man, great review of a disturbing musical, guys!

And seriously, my desire to see a "Flower Drum Song" recap from you is so great--if you don't get ahold of the film by the time you typically prefer, I will SEND you the movie online.

~ vejiita4eva.livejournal.com

Ms. Feasance said...

This was originally a Hungarian play called Liliom,, which was a flop in its native tongue, and as far as I'm concerned, should've stayed there. You might not think that it's possible for this play to be even more depressing, for Billy to be a bigger coward, but you'd be wrong.
In Liliom,, the Billy character offs himself to avoid getting arrested, and is sent straight down to hell for hitting his daughter.
Frankly? I'd love to see R&H set a musical number in Hell. It would be a nice bookend to the Heaven bit, and the prom committee would have a blast.

Anonymous said...

I suppose I'm in the minority here, but I love this musical, and I love the film version. It really bugs me (and I hear that it also bugged Shirley Jones) how many people misinterpret it out of politicakl correctness. Billy's slapping of Julie is NOT justified. It is clearly shown to be wrong. When Julie says that line about it not hurting at all, she is not excusing his behavior so much as understanding why he did it. He could not get work because he was unskilled, and he could not go back to the carousel because mrs. Mullin would not take him back unless he left his wife. THAT was the source of his frustration.

As for the songs, they are the best that Rodgers and Hammerstein ever wrote.

And as for realism, you shouldn't expect that it a musical. "show Boat" and "Carousel" were far ahead of their time because they tackled topics which were considered taboo in musicals at the time - racism, gambling addiction, interracial marriage and alcoholism in "Show Boat" and spousal abuse in "Carousel".

Anonymous said...

Re: my last comment, Mrs. Mullin wanted Billy to leave Julie out of jealousy, not out of concern for her. She and Julie couldn't stand each other.

And sorry for the typo - that should have read "political correctness".