Life Off the Fruit Loop

Tuesday, November 21, 2006 by
When you're an old gay married couple, as we are, you find that you have to put more effort into connecting with the gay community than you had to when you were young, cute and single (as we used to be). Much as we love our gay brothers and sisters, the community has its flaws and one of those flaws is that socially, it's almost completely geared toward the singles. Oh sure, we could join a gay bowling or softball league or go two-stepping or ice-skating, but darlings, none of that is really our style.

We lived smack in the heart of the gayborhood when we were younger. When you're freshly out, a predominantly gay neighborhood is practically essential to your journey. Even if you're not one for the bars or even the type of mo who doesn't particularly like to hang out with other mo's, you really need that immersion to find out who you are and where you stand in the community. In other words, you need to try the dress on even if you're pretty sure it's going to make you look fat.

When we went from dating to married, we stayed in the Fruit Loop for a couple of years, having no good reason to move out of it since we loved it there. Over time, though, we started feeling more and more like outsiders. We still went to the gay gym almost every day, but it became less of an obsession or a need since we had no new dates or potential boyfriends to impress. Ditto the bars. We largely preferred to stay home on the couch and eat Chips Ahoy watching Golden Girls reruns than forge our way through the meat market, but even we occasionally just wanted to get out on a dance floor and connect with our brothers to the latest Mariah Carey remix.

Unfortunately, being the highly desirable, fabulous fags that we are, we sometimes had to gently rebuff pursuers and lemme tell you, fags don't take that sort of thing well. One of us was chatting up a perfectly friendly mo at the local watering hole while the other was off primping in the men's room. When said friendly mo propositioned us, we smiled and said "Sorry, I have a boyfriend." The friendly smile immediately went dark. "Well what are you doing here, then?" Good question. What AM I doing here?

Eventually, we got tired of spending 15 minutes getting ready every time we had to make a run to the convenience store on the corner, just because we had to pass by the judgmental A-List bitches at the coffee shop, so we moved out of the neighborhood. We've been living in what passes for the "chic" neighborhood here in Philly for the last seven years. There are a handful of gays in the neighborhood, but strangely, without a rainbow flag in every 3rd window, it's not as easy to connect with our brothers.

We were happy to leave the gayborhood because it just felt right, but there are times when we truly miss it. Sure, it can get a little high school sometimes, and it's a bit ridiculous how quickly the shirts come off when the temperature reaches anything over 55 degrees, but there's an energy there, a spark that you just can't find anywhere else. We like being able to go to the store looking like shit if we have to, but there's nothing like rounding a corner and unexpectedly bumping into two leather queens making out or just walking the streets on a Saturday night to silently judge all the too-tight and/or too shiny clothing on display.

Of course, there's always the tragic messes, the aging alcoholics or the skinny meth queens, the hustlers and the guys with the wedding bands slooooowwly driving by, but honeys, you just haven't lived until you sit out on your front step at 3 am on Halloween just to watch two drag queens dressed like Joan Crawford and Elizabeth Taylor beat the shit out of each other with their purses while a crowd cheers them on.

44 comments:

Anonymous said...

Oh this so opens a HUGE can of worms boys.
1: I live in boystown, am single and almost 40 and unless you are rich or blessed with a body of death you might as well be a leper.
2: Of course when I moved into boystown there were still hookers on the corner outside the Salvation Army and drug deals going on. Loved knowing the hookers by name and them teasing me about not having their brother there if I wanted to buy a date and me offering to buy them condems on my way into the grocery. However as is typical the fags moved in and made it nice now none of them can afford to live in the hood because the stroller brigade has invaded. I'm all for integration however I have a HUGE problem with the stroller brigade trying to force out the very thing that made the hood so good in the first place. But the spark is still there and this past Halloween got to watch a swimming pool of Esther William drag queens roll down the street and drag Lucy limp home because her heels hurt!!

Anonymous said...

This post hits the nail on the head! My partner and I were just discussing/lamenting the absence of a "gayborhood" in our new city. When we met he was in West Hollywood and I was in Dallas's Oaklawn area.

We moved to Central Florida and aside from a couple of "bar complex" type places, there isn't any "boystown" to speak of. For the most part, we love it here, and have a great group of (mostly straight) friends, but wish there was an area with gay cafes, coffee shops, and stores so we could connect with the gay community here without going to the bars.

Oh well, at least we have each other and we're close to Mickey Mouse.

Anonymous said...

Disney's newest theme park, "Boystown".
Father Flanagan never had it so good.

Ok, this is not going as planned...

Anonymous said...

i think this goes beyond the Fruit Loop - it moves into the single v. couplehood arena. when you get into a serious relationship, you fall into the abyss. your single friends are still partying, and you don't want to do that as much. but what do you do? i went from these great conversations on the porch of a shitty house in college with people everywhere to just me and my man - great most of the time, but we also want that community!

-k

Ursa Lunar said...

Sounds like the newly married heteros talking about deciding to move out of the college town and into the quieter commuting community ... People is people, we just have different views at times ;^D

THIS made me LOL:
" ... but honeys, you just haven't lived until you sit out on your front step at 3 am on Halloween just to watch two drag queens dressed like Joan Crawford and Elizabeth Taylor beat the shit out of each other with their purses while a crowd cheers them on."

The imagery, it's wonderful! That's why I love you guys!!!

as I read in another response post:
"Kisses & Sequins!"

Vera said...

As a confirmed Fruit Tart, I know a good few boys who are like this, especially since they hit thirty. "The club? What? But I'd have to iron a shirt and do a pore strip. Besides, I just got the new issues of Martha Stewart Living, and I think Cagney and Lacey is on Oxegyn tonight. Let's make orange cranberry cookies and talk about why we love Tyne Daly so much instead."

Anonymous said...

When you are young, you prefer life in an urban, predominantly gay environment. As you grow older, you pine for quieter, less flamboyant surroundings. I feel as if that is a natural (and unremarkable) progression. What makes you different from the countless gay couples who did the same thing?

TLo said...

What makes you different from the countless gay couples who did the same thing?
Where did we claim we were different from anyone?

FrancesSpencer said...

Terrific post, girls. Very insightful and relatable even to a married dippy white chick with 2 kids. I feel disconnected almost almost all the time, but know I can never go back.

Mom but not Stroller Brigade said...

Let's make orange cranberry cookies and talk about why we love Tyne Daly so much instead.

Ok maybe I'm old, but this sounds like a perfect evening. Cool post boys. The more people are different, the more they are the same I suppose. Except Anon. 3:35 - s/he's just a crank.

Anonymous said...

Where did we claim we were different from anyone?

Well, that's just the thing: you didn't, and you're not. I guess I am just confused by the point of this entry (I can't find one) and by the way your lives (or at least your blog) revolve exclusively around your being gay.

I am new here and haven't poked around too much. It is just striking to me that the only thing it seems you have to offer the blogosphere are finger-snaps and stereotypical bons mots. (Sorry, not trying to be rude.)

Has anyone else noticed this?

TLo said...

Sweetie, we're called Project:GAY and our tagline is "We're Gay. We Judge. That's What We Do." We're pretty upfront about it. It's just life and pop culture from the perspective of two gay men. Nothing more, nothing less. It sounds like that's not your sort of thing and hey, we're fine with that. There's literally millions of other blogs out there.

Anonymous said...

"I am new here... and it is just striking to me that the only thing it seems you have to offer the blogosphere are finger-snaps and stereotypical bons mots."

what next are you going to accuse them of being streotypical gay because they make catty comments about fashion on Project Rungay?!?

Anonymous said...

So the gay life isn't any different from the straight life? Unfortunately, there are more places for married heteros to fit in with their own kind than there are for gays, and that's both sad and good. It's good because it means that the heteros who rule the world are finding more diversity on their doorsteps and in their neighborhoods, and realizing that we're more alike than different. On the other hand, it's fun to go "hang with your homies" (or homos) from time to time, and it sucks when you can't find a fun place for couples to go.

bungle said...

Hey AnonyMonster! Maybe you know some things about stuff from a gay perspective. I sure as hell don't. For the price of admission this blog offers insight and laughs unparalleled, for me. The blog may not contain elements that will bring about advances in Gay Theory, but I wouldn't think to ask the PRG's to publish their cutting edge material for free, c'mon.

Lighten up, Francis. Don't lose sight of the fact that the internet allows us to explore strange new worlds... to seek out new life and new civilizations... to boldly go where no straight man has gone before!

:D

Lima Bean said...

Ooooooooohhh, a cat fight!

::: pulling up chair and bowl of popcorn :::

Mel said...

Well I for for one just loved this post! I think older straight couples go through the same transitions (although without the Joan Crawford/Liz Taylor catfight)

Lima Bean said...

Okay, wait a minute. I want to get in here.

I've never lived on, near, in, or within 200 miles of a fruitloop. I don't have a gayboy posse (sob!) nor is there any chance of finding one in my Mormon-boring-town. The only gayboy I ever knew was my hairdresser who told me, amongst many other things, how to *perfectly* cook a lobster tail by wrapping it in foil and putting through the full cycle of the diswhasher. He also showed me his heart and soul, and I loved him dearly. I became his devoted Fruitfly and I was an eager learner. But, thanks to the plague, not for long.

Fast forward to the present. When our PRGboys talk about their lives, good, bad, or whatever, I think about my beloved Fruit and the life that he had so briefly (not to mention the endless bad hair days experienced now there's no mo to do my hair!) I miss him and am glad the boys are here to live on and share on with this old lady's sad heart. I don't care whether they live in a fruitloop or just a boring old cheerio. Just keep doing it darlings, and thanks.

XOXOXOX

macasism said...

Breeders without kids have similar experiences. My hubby & I look forward to watching Battlestar Galactica with our crafts. I occasionally (once a year?) go to "girls night" at the local gay bar with my girlfriends, but increasingly ask myself "why bother?" although they do make a nice martini....

officer pantsoffski said...

I think you've described many couples experiences. It's just the next stage.

We've been a couple for almost 20 years and noticed the distance starting to form almost immediately. First with friends and later with the community in general.

I'm not implying any sort of shunning. It's almost as though your values are changing/evolving.

It's a slow process too. It's not like you wake up one morning and think "You know, I *really* don't care when the next drag show is happening."

As an old friend used to say: The real talent is knowing when to pack up and move on.

Granite Janet said...

Oh darlings, what a post. I'm from the gay mecca and relocated to white-bread-ville. I miss everything rainbow -- including the fabulous parades.

Only the gays know how to do a parade right. Marching bands, naked men, rock music, gorgeous floats, beautifully dressed women, (oh! I mean men!) and Dikes on Bikes.

Those were the days. sigh

Granite Janet

katiecoo said...

What a colorful tour...love you boys' mix of thoughtful contemplation and downright FUN. I wish I was your neighbor...in any neighborhood. :)

katiecoo said...

PS. I will add, I COME here for the finger snaps! That's the cherry on top!

And I will add an "around the World and a backsnap!" to that.

Marcus said...

Ok,
what's up with the anonymous straight guy?? Anyway, I have also noticed that as I get older, (i'm a ripe old 31) that the bars and whatnot don't hold as much appeal for me as they did when I was say...19 (god was I ever that young???) I am single (still) and not exactly liking it, but even us single girls still feel out of place when we are past 25 and don't have abs of steel. I live in Pittsburgh, which has no set "gayborhood" and I am leaving this lovely, albeit boring as hell, town to live in Washinton DC. Don't let the straight "anonymonsters" get you down boys! Love you and love both of your blogs! Keep up the good work!

Marcus said...

Great...misspelled the name of the town i want to move to.....
Washington
there...that's better

jinxy said...

I think that while it is true that hetero couples usually have more of a chance of finding a place to fit in, just because there are more of them out there, it doesn't make the transition any easier.

I'm not talking from an outward perspective, but from an inward perspective. People are people, and straight or gay when you find yourself in a committed relationship, everyone has those moments when they glance back on singledom.

Things were WAY simpler in a way, more fun in a way, more exciting in a way, but all of that comes at a cost.

A lot of that excitement comes from the instability of singledom. A lot of the simplicity comes from the fact that you have no one to please but yourself, but you also have no one to please you but you, and that gets lonely at times.

Sometimes I look back on single life and I miss it, but now that I've settled in to "married" life(I'm not married yet, but I live with my fiance), it isn't so much what I want anymore. It also adds a new dimension of tough when all of your friends are still single, and you suffer separation from them by default when you enter in a long-standing relationship.

That glance back to singledom has been the end of many a committed relationship, both straight and gay. I think the issue truly does stretch across to all people settling down, regardless of sexual preference.

Anonymous said...

How dare anyone come on here and dis T&L?

P.S. Love it when someone ends a rude comment by saying (or typing) "I'm not trying to be rude"

Vic said...

We're pretty upfront about it. It's just life and pop culture from the perspective of two gay men. Nothing more, nothing less.

And dahlings, I'm here to thank you for the daily enjoyment of your humor and perspectives on life. You two ADD to my world, which is saying a lot.

So Happy Thanksgiving and keep those wonderful posts coming.

snaillady2 said...

Okay, first off: how on earth did I miss the fact that you two fabulous bitches are here in Philly? Why did I think you were in New York? And where are you going to have the Philly PR4 season opener party 'cause I want to get on that list!

Secondly: you're not alone. Straights do the same thing, guys. Since I now know you are local, look at it this way: College you are around Fairmount Park and/or west philly for the parties and to avoid having to drive. Out of college, the young heteros move to Manayunk (or Roxborough if you don't have as much $$)--those making money buy houses, the rest rent and spend their Thursdays-Sundays at the bars in Conshy if they want a change from the Manayunk Main Street bar scene (and don't forget that LA Fitness or Gold Gym membership!). As you finally meet that sweet one at the Pub or Boathouse, you realize that maybe you want to move to Chestnut Hill, or even to one of the 'burbs (Flourtown is hot, but Plymouth, Conshy, and Upper Merion are good too). After a few years, you think you are being "Wild" by going to Reed's for their "Wednesday-before-Thanksgiving" bash, and bitch and moan when you have to drop into the Pub or Boathouse before your table is ready at the BYOB. You start complaining about all the "underage" people getting into the bars when you do go out, or that they are too noisy to hold a conversation.

Congratulations. You have just confirmed that homo relationships are just the same as hetero. Down to the Chubby Hubby in the freezer.

Okay, there is one difference: you're probably not as annoyed when the toilet seat is left up, I'll grant you that.

Gwen said...

First anonymous: You're talking about gentrification, and the [white, middle class] Stroller Brigade *always* follows the gays.

When I was a teenager, our neighborhood was poor Latinos, a few entrepreneuring Asians, some drug dealers, yes, and... the gays! It was awesome, and I miss it, and we'll never get it back.

(And now I live in the suburbs because, even though I'm no longer poor, I can't afford that neighborhood anymore.)

Houston's Montrose (biggest gayborhood) is being taken over by Republicans as we speak, and the gay landmarks seem to be disappearing one by one.

Maybe this is a sign of acceptance, though - the fact that we no longer need gayborhoods? Ha, just kidding.

Anonymous said...

"I occasionally (once a year?) go to "girls night" at the local gay bar with my girlfriends"

So you can stare at the homosexual in his natural environment.. the nightclub?

Anonymous said...

Marcus said: I am leaving this lovely, albeit boring as hell, town to live in Washington DC.

I know you will love the gayborhood in DC. Dupont Circle is such a great part of town!!!

jacoffoalltrades said...

i have lived in homo hubs in three major cities. atlanta, chicago and new york. while vastly different as far as geography goes, the experience(s) i garnered in each different place was invaluable to me. i was able to mature (okay that's still being debated) within areas that nurtured the gay spirit. i also found that while i enjoyed the energy constantly circulating around me, i wanted the house, the yard, the shrubbery, taxes, to be able to drive and obnoxious neighbors.

so, i moved to the southeast coast. i am surrounded by water. the intracoastal waterway. marshes. the atlantic ocean. it's flat and the summers are hot and humid and long and i love it here. the city of charleston is five minutes driving time away. old buildings and shopping? world class.

no matter where you are HOME and the feeling of security is where your head should be.

some days i actually do think like lisa douglas.

katiecoo said...

Happy Thanksgiving you gorgeous Gays! Thank you for making my life for sparkly and colorful this past year. Muah and big hugs! You have brought so many smiles to my days. Love you both!

(doing this early as I'm leaving for out of town today--gobble gobble)

The Scarlett said...

Straight Main Line woman here. First of all, I don't read 'gay' blogs; I read fun/insightful/informative/bitchy blogs and Project: Gay hits it on all four burners. One of the things I realize coming here is how much we all have in common. For example, I can't go shopping for gourmet goodies at Foodsource unless I'm either in full makeup or in workout gear (looking schlumpy is not acceptable). Sometimes I ask myself if I'm really just a gay man with different equipment.

Bean said...

Love the photo montage of the gayborhood. I used to live there while in college. You're right, it does have a sort of magical feel that's different from other areas in Philly. Glad you guys have found a comfortable place to happily be yourselves. Labels don't always stick!

aimee said...

Jeez, guys, how dare you write about gay life on PROJECT:GAY? Apparently you should rename the blog PROJECT:NOTGAY and write about the gay stuff, and then it will be ironic enough for the anonymonster (LOVE that). Happy Thanksgiving, guys, and thanks for brightening up my days.

TLo said...

TheGayBoys said...

Darlings, we love each and every one of you in our own special way, but please, let's not dogpile on someone with constructive criticism. Obviously, we don't agree with them, but if every comment section here was about blowing smoke up our asses while trying to drown out those who won't, this place would become very unfabulous.

Jules said...

An early Thanksgiving all, whether you live in the gayborhood or the burbs, Project: Gay is truly a great place to be hanging out.

T&L, thanks for much for providing coffee spewing quality laughter & daily joy with your posts!

James Derek Dwyer said...

I'm too busy keeping it real in Roxbury :-) to wonder much into the South End in Boston- but now it's mostly baby strollers anyway... oh well..

thombeau said...

What I love about you two is that in addition to being clever, witty, and gay, you are also THOUGHTFUL. That is a gift and a blessing.

What a couple of nice ladies...

redheadgirl said...

It happens to everyone boys. Gay and straight. After you truly settle down and put on a few years it just doesn't fit properly after a while. There are puckers here and there and we can't have it.

Lovey and I had a non-children life for a looooong time and boy did we have fun when we lived in NYC. But alas, we settled down had them babies and are loving life in suburbia. We still love and miss NYC and all our single and non-children friends (whom we see here and there) but we wouldn't trade this for the world.

You can still taste the Fruit Loops even thought they aren't in your pantry anymore. Consider yourselves lucky.

thyrza said...

I live right smack in the middle of Gaystown, USA (otherwise known as Chelsea) and I never want to live anywhere else. Of course, I'm a straight woman. Which means that I *can* go to the grocery store looking like something the cat dragged in, and no one cares. OTOH, if I feel like wearing one of my grandmother's 1960's sundresses and a feathered turban, I'm sure to get plenty of compliments. And I've no complaints about the shirtless guys.

How I'd feel about it if I were a married gay man, or a single gay man for that matter, I don't know. I can see that it would get a bit annoying to have other men think you are available and have to keep saying "sorry." OTOH, I'm so shallow that I'd probably be flattered. Since there are relatively few straight men or lesbians here, I don't get hit on myself, but as long as the gays appreciate my wacky self and my somewhat insane sense of fashion, I'm happy. I'd be lost if I couldn't see a rainbow flag from every street corner.

BigAssBelle said...

oh this brings back SUCH fond memories of my 5 years in the gayborhood in Houston. it was so wonderful and i miss it so. there is nothing quite like it and i am thrilled to have had that experience.

by the way, i just LOVE the term "mo" ~ it's so sweet!