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God Bless Tim Gunn and His Big Mouth (Updated)

Sing it, sister!

You can always count on Tim to bring the bitchy and blunt to an interview and still come across as sweet as a cane sugar Coke. He sat down with Entertainment Weekly and, like he always does, told it like he sees it.

EW: Let’s be honest. Did you hate last season?
Gunn: Well, we all need to be truth tellers about it. My response is so filled with selfish dimensions – having to leave my own apartment and camp out in a strange place for 5 weeks, piling into a van to go to Mood which would take up to an hour one way. I have so many feelings about season 6. This has nothing to do with the individuals Carol Hannah, Althea, or Irina, but I was disappointed that our three finalists were three women in their 20s.

EW: If you could go back, what would you have done differently?
Gunn:
Upon reflection I think it was not advisable to have that season be in L.A. And I missed Nina and Michael. I engage with the designers in anticipation of what Nina and Michael will say and I know them well. It’s hard when it’s Heidi and 3 guest designers.

[UPDATE: Heidi, for her part, has this to say:

"We like to change it up, we like to go back and fourth,” Heidi told Access Hollywood’s Billy Bush on Wednesday. “So, the [next season] will probably be back in LA again.”

Bitch.]

EW: Do you cringe when a contestant, like Anna Marie Lynett, talks so pretentiously about being an “artist”?
Gunn: Yes. Yes, I do. I wasn’t at auditions last season but I was for season 7 and that was one of my roles in the auditions – to beat back at the producers when they’re seduced by personality. My role was to make certain who moved forward had the fashion credentials.


EW: I really hope Anthony has credentials because he is such a love of a character. He’s this season’s Chris March.

Gunn: He really is who he is. We didn’t make him up.

Read the entire interview here.


Source:
Tim Gunn Q&A: How does he really feel about the L.A. season and what makes him cringe? [EW]

Heidi Klum: Next Season Of ‘Project Runway’ ‘Back In LA Again’ [AccessHollywood]


[Photos: myLifetime.com]



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112 comments:

He's the best!


Love that he cringed at the pretentious "artist". I hated her response.


I have said it before and I'll say it again: the man is made of awesome.

BookieBookie


Really, he is the heart of the show. It just doesn't work without him. As we have seen from The Fashion Show and Launch My Line.

Thanks for giving us the heads up about that article. I can't seem to gobble up enough about the new season.


I think Lifetime is going to have to make the decision of California with Heidi and no Tim Gunn, Nina and Kors, or NY, with no Heidi, but keeping Tim Gunn, Nina and Kors.

I bet they choose Heidi. BIG mistake, will be the death knell of the show.


"This has nothing to do with the individuals Carol Hannah, Althea, or Irina, but I was disappointed that our three finalists were three women in their 20s."

Translate: a woman in her 40s was missing from the finale.

-Dan


I am so looking forward to Tim's blog. I hope he continues to spill the real dirt so we know his views about winning and losing looks.


EW: Any chance season 8 will go to London or somewhere equally fabulous?

Gunn: That would be nice. But even though it’s a new network and it’s season 7, we still don’t have money.

Can someone explain to me why PR has no money? If ANTM produced by "TY TY Baby/Bankable Productions" can shoot for six weeks in a foreign fashion capital each season/cycle, there is no reason why PR could not film a whole cycle or half cycle in Paris, Milan or London.

I hope the bloggers out there with TV media experience can answer my question.

TampaBay


I moved to Canada right when PR moved to Lifetime, which isn't carried by any Canadian cable companies. After suffering through season 6 on a 3-week delay, it now appears that Slice isn't planning to air season 7 at all.

Does anyone have suggestions on how or where I can watch full episodes of season 7 online?

Thanks!


bitchybitchybitchy

Pure, golden Tim Gunn -as Bookiebookie said, that man is made of awesome!


Anon: www.surfthechannel.com

I DON'T actually work for them, lol!!! I do keep recommending them because I lived in Croatia for Season 5, and surfthechannel was my PR Lifeline.


Can someone explain to me why PR has no money? If ANTM produced by "TY TY Baby/Bankable Productions" can shoot for six weeks in a foreign fashion capital each season/cycle, there is no reason why PR could not film a whole cycle or half cycle in Paris, Milan or London.

I hope the bloggers out there with TV media experience can answer my question.


I'd like to know the answer to this, too. I want more jetsetter challenges!!


I'm from Canada too. I watched last season here:

http://www.casttv.com/shows/project-runway

(On Friday nights.)


Do they really spend 6 weeks in the foreign destinations (Hawaii apparently is a foreign destination?) ?

I have always wondered whether these "once a week shows" really give the contestants a week between eliminations. I though someone here answered that PR is challenge after challenge.


C'est moi, c'est moi Lola

"Trust that there was a lot of seduction going on but the gauntlet was thrown."

And from Tim's Take:
"It overlapped. It undulated. It was quite stunning."

Hm. What makes me think our Tim has a second (Third? Fourth?) career as a writer of cheap romance novels?

I think he could make that work!

Thanks for the interview boys - it was nice to know how he felt about Gordana!

Toodles!


Tim Gunn said:"Upon reflection I think it was not advisable to have that season be in L.A."

WORD!!

(and everything else he said! This man speaketh the truth!)

srq


I sometime think the producers are screwing with Tim's head. Ping is one example. Watch Tim's face when dealing with her.

Q."...Ping is definitely one of the more eccentric contestants and her first outfit was crazy. Was guest judge Nicole Richie on crack when she said it was one of her favorites?"
Gunn: I love and adore you for saying that.


Gunn: The editing certainly shows less than what I see. It’s very considerate of them and doesn’t manipulate things to create a situation that isn’t.

What I've thought all along. We just see the tip 'o the iceberg.

Still, with little sleep and a bunch of strangers in your face all the time, sometimes that brings out the worst in people.


Nancy said...

"I bet they choose Heidi. BIG mistake, will be the death knell of the show."
***********************************
Oh, Nancy. Say it ain't so. Who am I fooling? I have the same sour feeling in my gut. It's like, whatever Heidi wants, Heidi gets. Which I can understand to some degree because essentially, it is her show. However, as someone else posted, Tim Gunn is the heart (and soul!) of Project Runway. It makes me wonder exactly how much communication there is between Tim & Heidi.


edina


Saint Tim! If the show goes back to LA next season, I'm going to skip it.


I love Tim, but sometimes I think his taste is far too conservative and traditional. And he doesn't deal well with people who think out of the box.

Like Ping, whose outfit was utterly fabulous.


"I bet they choose Heidi. BIG mistake, will be the death knell of the show."
Take a look at the NBC-Leno-Obrien clustercluck and remove all doubt that TV executives know how to self-edit their work.


Dan said...
"This has nothing to do with the individuals Carol Hannah, Althea, or Irina, but I was disappointed that our three finalists were three women in their 20s."

Translate: a woman in her 40s was missing from the finale.
***

EXACTLY. Thank you.


"This has nothing to do with the individuals Carol Hannah, Althea, or Irina, but I was disappointed that our three finalists were three women in their 20s."


AMEN!!!!


Thanks, Tlo! Great interview!


I'm a little confused about something from the interview:

"No one hears me talk about the final outcome. In terms of Ra’mon, guess who bought that losing piece at auction? I have it and I know how truly ridiculous it is. It’s two pieces of neoprene. There isn’t even a stich anywhere. It’s held together with pins."

Wasn't the neoprene outfit the weird one that Ramon won with? The one from this ep: http://projectrungay.blogspot.com/2009/09/congratulations-and-auf-wiedersehen.html

Or is Tim calling it the "losing" outfit because Mitchell went home?

That is sort of hilarious if there isn't a single stich. Explains how he did it in 2 hours.


He was great on the Daily Show awhile back too. Making fun of LA "weather."

I wish he was my gay uncle.


Tim, can I please be your faghag? Pleeeeease???? I adore you!

If Lifetime doesn't listen to the fans on show location, they're shooting themselves. Money talks. No viewers, no ads, no money. They'll keep it in NY.


I like antony and am happy to have some personality on the show, backed up by some design ability. the show was not the same without both last season,
that being said, we need to see designers who arent doing that wavey fabric thing. it's boring me producers! even that OTHER show which was unbearable with Isaac at the helm had the wavy fabric thing.
Launch my line at least isnt doing it.
and the visible zippers? sigh!
thank goodness season seven has some visible diversity in ages and experience. please dont get rid of ping yet.high hopes for her-


Do you cringe when a contestant, like Anna Marie Lynett, talks so pretentiously about being an “artist”?
Gunn: Yes. Yes, I do. I wasn’t at auditions last season but I was for season 7 and that was one of my roles in the auditions – to beat back at the producers when they’re seduced by personality. My role was to make certain who moved forward had the fashion credentials.


Wha? This seems contradictory. If he was trying to make sure people had fashion credentials, and thought she was pretentious, how did Anna Lynett get cast with no training and only 6 months experience?


Elaine and Anon:

I second surfthechannel.com! I was in Hungary for Season 5 (We were neighbors and we didn't even know it, Elaine) and it was the only reliable site I could find. It's fantastic for other shows, too, and it usually had episodes up within a day, generally faster.


I think the Ramon statement about his look was a mistake on the part of EW. There might be a few more in there. Somebody typing too fast and no editing. (Edit, edit, edit - listen to Tim!)


To the people raving about Ping - are you kidding?

Tim even point out in his blog that the bottom was "diaperesque".

The whole thing reminds me of when I was a child. My mother had crocheted a perfectly round afghan. I used to wrap and drape myself in that thing in dozens of different ways. Tying it on with a "belt" or a huge safety pin.
I guess if I put on a stupid hat and acted like the Emperor's new clothes, that maybe I'd be a fashion "genius today".



(Someone commneted on the lifetime site - it looks like a peasant refugee carrying her closet on the way out of town.)

I don't know anyone can attack Christiane or anyone else for their sewing then praise something like this that wasn't sewn at all.


But, Anna is an artist--she is a highly trained graphic artist. She didn't say she was an 'artist of fashion design' or anything like that. She was referring to her skills as a print maker and such. She wasn't being pretentious but stating the facts.


Pick up your stones to throw, but I thought some of Tim's work-room critiques were off. I wasn't in love with Seth's look, but the way he did the back zipper seemed very deliberate and style-appropriate, so I was surprised with Tim questioned it.

As for the Anne Marie artist thing - yes, it is a little annoying, but I never can tell when something that comes off as snobby it going to annoy him or make him swoon.


I saw an interview with Wayne Thiebaud once -- he also hates being called an "artist", and bemoaned the fact that people throw that phrase around way too liberally these days. "I scrapbook...so-- you know, I'm an artist", "I splatter paint on a canvas -- Artist style". He said that the term "artist" is used to describe Jaques Louis David and Leonardo DaVinci, so maybe we should be more careful with it. Amen to him and amen to Tim Gunn!


I guess he is referring to the outfit Ra'mon got the auf for? the sci-fi alligator thing?

Although it is true his "winning" design was neopren...

Anyway, right now I'm wearing a gorgeous Marni skirt which is not stiched; not even the zip is stiched. I also have a not-stiched Jil Sander outfit. Lots of designers are experimenting, and had done in the past, with other ways of putting clothes together.


the artist deal. I understand. I'm a registered nurse but you would not believe the people who proclaim themselves "a nurse". Never take that at face value.

I think when one self describes as "artist" -- it should be qualified such as "graphic artist, illustration artist, fiber artist, textile design artist, con artist (lol), ceramist, web artist, etc." She is, I think, a print artist -- kind of like Lotta Jansdotter? But also very young and inexperienced. I expect she has a very limited aesthetic when it comes to designing and constructing clothing.

I agree with Tim, stay in NY! Lifetime will arrange some revenue for PR as the season advances.

I really loved this interview. Thanks and big respectful nod to TLo for bringing it to us!


the man knows how to spin a phrase. wow. can we get the three of you your own show?!?!?


ASK said:
To the people raving about Ping - are you kidding?

Tim even point out in his blog that the bottom was "diaperesque".

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ITA!! I saw absolutely nothing redeeming about Ping's "design" at all. Like I said before, I could have done better with my eyes closed and one arm tied behind my back.


Sorry, couldn't resist a "ping" at Ping.....
On to Tim. I love that man!!!!


I haven't read the whole article yet, but something strikes me right away - maybe I missed something, but I sense nothing but sweetness and humility from Anna Marie Lynett. I don't think she's coming off as pretentious at all, rather she has admitted she's coming from training in prints and being an artist - literally being a visual artist - and is learning to move into apparel.


I think Anna Marie's comment was misinterpreted. She was asked about her fashion influeces (or something like that). And she's so new to design that she couldn't name any. She didn't say, "Dahling, I'm an Artiste"; she basically said she's been working as an artist and is only just moving into fashion design.

That's what I heard, anyway.


Im glad he said something about that "I'm an artist" schtick. OMG that is so played out. Anybody that can draw a line, hold a camera and point, or sew 2 pieces of fabric together call themselved artists.

BLEECH!


Love Tim! He's so charming not matter what hes saying. XD


For those looking for a Tim "vlog" about the show, it's posted on his facebook page. Although it seems to be taped right after the episode airs rather than as the filming progresses.

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/TimGunn?ref=nf


Just a pie-in-the-sky guess about Tim's holding the Champagne flute with two hands. He might have a tremor in his dominant hand that would become obvious and pronounced when he holds a glass in that hand. I'm not absolutely saying he has this condition, of course, but that it could be an explanation for the two-handed grip.

I've got a friend who is so afflicted, so she has to hold any sort of glass for drinking with both hands.

If not, then... well, it looks sort of like a chalice offering up to the deities or something, and is, indeed, odd.

All that being said, I'm SO GLAD for the auspicious start of PR7.

All the best,

NDC


I love Tim. And I agree with the other posters, he is the heart and soul of this show.

PR could be done without Heidi.
PR could NOT be done without Tim.

Can't she find something else to do with her time? Again, another snide comment last night. I think she thinks she funny. Not.


Elaine upthread mentions using Surtheweb.com when she was out of the country for season 5, but I just got a MALWARE WARNING when I went there.

SORRY TO BE HARPING ON THIS, BUT DON'T GO TO SURFTHEWEB.COM if you don't want to chance getting Malware placed on your computer.

I don't work for any competitors! Honest.

Best bet is still YouTube.

Someone's bound to put it there (unfortch, the guy who regularly did for season 6 has been shut down) At least, I hope someone puts it on YouTube since the Lifetime site sucks so.


I wish Tim wasn't so obviously anti-Ping. Doesn't bode well for her season run, does it?


Mr Gunn is the best. Hie eye is spot-on. Always.

Some clarification: ANTM tapes most of each cycle in LA or NYC, and then takes the top 5-6 contestants to a foreign "fashion capital" (although last time they went to Hawaii (!) So exoctic and so much fashion there...I guess...) And they tape the last three episodes there. So they spend maybe a week out of the country. And all the girls stay in one room!


Maybe I'm just a geek, but I loved his "church and state" line. I'm going to steal that.


Agree that the "artist" comment was misinterpreted. She was stating what her training was in, not being silly.

Also with Ping, we need to watch and wait a little. She was given an assignment to show who she was, which she chose to do with drape and runway dramatics rather than sewing. We'll see if her skills with knits will translate to sewing. I, for one, hope so. I love her portfolio.

Finally, we saw what a show with just Tim and Heidi wrought—I vote for Nina and Michael as being just as important to viewers as Tim. But, Tim is the expert. He taught students how to create fashion for years. He is a good teacher, and in my opinion, that's more important than a mediocre judge, or even an excellent one!


It seems that if they go back to LA, it will only be for Heidi. Returning to LA would be a big mistake.

As dreary as last season was, I feel bad for the designers because I don't think it was their fault. They had lousy working conditions out in LA, not to mention that they were caught in the custody battle between Bravo & Lifetime. It is all the fault of the producers. It would not have mattered who the contestants were: Season 6 was destined to be dull.

--GothamTomato


Where are TLo Awards on Lifetime site?


New York is the fashion industry town.
Hollywood the film industry town.
Yes, each has a bit of the other but primarily that's the deal.

would you produce a show all about the movie business in NY? No.

Project Runway belongs in New York.
period. end of story.


Elaine upthread mentions using Surtheweb.com when she was out of the country for season 5, but I just got a MALWARE WARNING when I went there.

SORRY TO BE HARPING ON THIS, BUT DON'T GO TO SURFTHEWEB.COM if you don't want to chance getting Malware placed on your computer.
---------------------------------------

Desertwind, Elaine mentioned surftheCHANNEL.com, not surftheweb. Perhaps that was the issue?


Raisin said: "Im glad he said something about that "I'm an artist" schtick. OMG that is so played out. Anybody that can draw a line, hold a camera and point, or sew 2 pieces of fabric together call themselved artists.

BLEECH!"


I don't think this is problematic when someone has a BFA. I mean, technically I studied to be an artist, as well. I have a BFA. And coming out of college, I was an "artist". If I pranced around and kept telling people I was an artist all the time without any sort of prompt or relevant conversation, then yes, I'd be incredibly pretentious. But if someone asked me, right out of college, why I'm interested in something artistic, I would tell them that I was a printmaker. I'd follow that up by saying I'm an "artist" because most of the time people give me a blank stare when I mention printmaking.

Considering how she actually went to art school and received a BFA in visual arts, I really don't get the pretentiousness or the "blechness" of her statement. She seems ridiculously sweet and not at all full of herself, actually. She clearly impressed the judges with what she had to show for herself after only 6 months of learning to sew on her own, and yet she didn't act smug or anything of the sort when she received their praise. She seemed genuinely modest.

I bristle at those who flaunt the title "artist" around, too, but I think that her statement is being misrepresented/misunderstood in the EW interview as well as some people's comments.


"Take a look at the NBC-Leno-Obrien clustercluck and remove all doubt that TV executives know how to self-edit their work."

Hey, maybe Conan O'Brien can replace Heidi next season on Project Runway in New York!

Come on, that would be amazing!


"Raisin said: "Im glad he said something about that "I'm an artist" schtick. OMG that is so played out. Anybody that can draw a line, hold a camera and point, or sew 2 pieces of fabric together call themselved artists."




Just because anyone CAN call themselves an artist, it doesn't mean that some of the people who do call themselves artists aren't artists, and it doesn't mean its 'shtick'. For some big-name artists, the NOT calling themselves artists is the shtick.

I can't recall any pretentiousness from this designer. She seemed rather matter of fact to me.
If you make your living creating and selling your own artwork, then you are an artist. And she's right about the confusion caused when calling herself a printmaker. Most of the public is completely clueless about specific mediums and would never understand what that means. The title 'artist' is simpler for them to digest.

--GothamTomato


"Lindsey said: Hey, maybe Conan O'Brien can replace Heidi next season on Project Runway in New York!"




I second that emotion.

--GothamTomato


"Back and fourth"? They need someone who can spell at Access H.


I wonder if Conan would go for short, tight and shiny?


aim said...

Where are TLo Awards on Lifetime site?


They're up now, aim.

XO
T Lo


Err sorry..I meant I couldn't find it, not wondering why you hadn't posted it. Link at top kept going to old one. Now it works.

Love the new catagories and cartoons!


Did I miss something? I feel like Anne Marie seems perfectly sweet girl who is actually fairly humble about her inexperience and abilities...I don't know, but I don't cringe at all when I hear her talk. Anyone with me?


At least I know now that I only need to watch the show every other season.


to those wondering where to watch - the video is already on ninjavideo - but I have NO idea if one can it overseas or in Canada....


Hotspot Shield is good for us f'erners, too. It cloaks your ISP and routes sites through a US-based IP address so the websites you go to 'read' you as coming from the US. I used to watch all the LifeTime videos from Canada that way. At least, I did until I got fed up with the awful LifeTime website... .

I just download Project Runway as a torrent. I got last night's episode downloaded by midnight PST Thursday night and watched it for breakfast this morning.

And that way I can rerun some of the funny parts over and over and over again (and zip right past Heidi's clunky attempts at humour).


To ASK: On Project Runway (and a lot of other "once a week" reality shows such as Top Chef and Shear Genius), the challenges come one right after another. There is not a week between challenges. In last night's episode, they got their Central Park fabric in the morning of the first day, sewed from noon 'til midnight, and the next morning they had a couple of hours to fit, finish, and get hair & makeup done, followed by the runway show and judging. They might get a few hours off before the next challenge. No wonder they get so tired by the end!


The episode felt more like how it should be. Interesting group of people too. I hope I'm still thinking that half way through the season.


If you're skiddish about torrents (with good reason) -- every episode is always posted in the newsgroups, aka usenet.

I do all of my TV that way, because I hate commericals, and someone lovingly removes them before posting them online.


How I do so love that man.


Thanks SewSoon
- but the main part of my question was about how long BETWEEN challenges not the lenght of the challenges (which I believe you described well).

For example - on LML once one challenge is complete they have been showing a clock saying the next will be complete in like 48 hours so it seems clear that they might go right into the next challenge.


Anon 1:55 pm said: [Wayne Thiebaud] said that the term "artist" is used to describe Jaques Louis David and Leonardo DaVinci, so maybe we should be more careful with it. Amen to him and amen to Tim Gunn!




I have to disagree. (With all due respect to Wayne Thiebaud who's work I admire and props to anyone who reads a WT interview.)

But, that's like saying the only people worthy of calling themselves "writers" were Shakespeare, Tolstoy and Proust. The only real "scientists" Einstein and Darwin.

C'mon!!

Really, "artist" is just a job description - like teacher. Nobody cringes when they hear someone say "I'm a teacher," and no one thinks a person who says they're a teacher has pretensions of being Jesus or Ghandi.

This hits a sore spot with me because I have lived most of my life in parts of the country where art and artists are considered odd, rare and somewhat disreputable. Where most people think that the only good artists are in books about the Renaissance. And oddly, the same people who think art and artists are weird think that it's not a profession but a "calling" to be an artist.

Art and artists need to be part of our everyday vocabulary. I'd like every kid in the country to know three or four people who call themselves artists - graphic artists, painters, potters, printmakers, muralists, etc. So that it wouldn't be strange to anyone.

I would LOVE to live in a place where I could turn on the tv and hear "Stay tuned for news, weather and arts."

I think it might be helpful if people self identified as artists without cringing - even if they aren't a world changing artist like David or DaVinci.


I finally finished reading this interview. Love it, love Tim Gunn, he is dead on about the show and LA. Thanks for the interview, TLo!
Hopefully what Heidi said is just her talking and not really set in stone yet, though that's not the first and only time I've heard about the alternating thing.

Not to digress into the past too much, but I do agree, I think there's some confusion with EW regarding Ra'mon - his losing dress was the Godzilla thing. (I don't remember all the looks in that episode, but I can't really remember anyone's being worse than his. Louise's was a bit sloppy, and wasn't the third bottom person Gordana? Her outfit was great, she just had the misfortune of being awesome Gordana on season 6)
It was his winning dress from the beachwear challenge, the neoprene toilet-stained dress, that Tim Gunn bid on to make the guest judge, whoever that was I can't remember, wear since she said she would "totally wear that", or something to that effect.

Anyways... great interview and great conversation everyone. :) Glad to see I'm not the only who thought the Anna Marie Lynett comment was totally misinterpreted.


I know that Tim wanted to buy the neoprene toilet-stained dress for Nina to wear, who inexplicably championed it on the show.


Anna just graduated from RISD, I believe. She probably has little working experience and I would hesitate to call myself an "artist" at that point. Perhaps in a few years...


To SusanID, Wayne Thiebaud said he prefers to be called exactly what he is, a "painter".

I come from a part of the country where everyone and their cat calls themselves an "artist", and it gets really annoying to someone like me who is trained in illustration and sells paintings for a living. I still don't want to call myself an "artist" because of that WT interview. I'm with him on this one.


[UPDATE: Heidi, for her part, has this to say:

"We like to change it up, we like to go back and fourth,” Heidi told Access Hollywood’s Billy Bush on Wednesday. “So, the [next season] will probably be back in LA again.”

Bitch.]


Someone needs to take Ms. Seal and give her a good long talking-to about her relative unimportance to this show. I can think of 5 other models who can do what she does, swing a bag, say "You're out," but if she doesn't have Nina and Michael and Tim doesn't go west, the show is OUT.

Love your last comment!!


Did I miss something? I feel like Anne Marie seems perfectly sweet girl who is actually fairly humble about her inexperience and abilities...I don't know, but I don't cringe at all when I hear her talk. Anyone with me?


Anon, I liked her too.


Great interview, guys! I didn't think Anna sounded pretentious at all, but I'm French : )


“So, the [next season] will probably be back in LA again.”
*mope*


TLo - can you start a petition of some sorts? Plea to Project Runway to stay in NYC? I certainly think you have the traffic to garner a lot of signatures.


I also did not think Anna sounded pretentious (in context). And I like Ping.


My art professor used to have two classifications - art and Art with a capital A.


Nancy on 1/16/10 at 8:33 AM said....
Someone needs to take Ms. Seal and give her a good long talking-to about her relative unimportance to this show. I can think of 5 other models who can do what she does, swing a bag, say "You're out," but if she doesn't have Nina and Michael and Tim doesn't go west, the show is OUT.

I cannot believe Ms. Seal is that....Stupid. I think the problems with Season 6 (and LA) was the law suit and shortage of talented designners more than the actual location ofthe show. If they "have to" do the show in LA then film the first have of the episodes in LA and the last half of episodes in NYC for each season.

TampaBay


LOL...maybe we need a modifier in front of "artist". For example, I have been called a fiber artist because I can spin fibers into yarn and then knit or weave with what I've spun to create a garment.

I know which fibers do better with which garments...how weave structure changes drape..etc. I won't bore anyone with the details. And I didn't go to school for it, I learned it all on my own. However, because I am hands on (even for my own pleasure and hobby) I am considered a fiber artist. I went to school for science, but I am not considered a scientist because I don't have my PhD, even though my work is scientific.

Isn't that insane??

Just to give some perspective to the argument. :)

Great interview with Tim Gunn!


anonymous 5:58 said Wayne Thiebaud said he prefers to be called exactly what he is, a "painter".

And I'll bet some people who hear that would say, "Can you come give me an estimate on painting my house?"


Anonymous 10:50 said I went to school for science, but I am not considered a scientist because I don't have my PhD, even though my work is scientific.

In what world do you have to have a Ph.D. to be a scientist?


GraceSF said:
PR could be done without Heidi.
PR could NOT be done without Tim.

***
Absolutely, I would just add:

PR could NOT be done without Tim, Nina and Michael.
Mrs. Seal overestimates her value.
I think we've seen what happens when she's running the show---the disaster that season six brought us.
if she wants to stay in LA, let her.
Project Runway belongs in New York.


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I think the show is about Tim, Nina, Michael AND Heidi. It is the chemistry of all four that makes the show.

If you got rid of Heidi by pensioning her off with a big buy out and replaced her with a full time Fern M. of IMG Fashion, the show would not be the same IMO.

I think the short, tight and shinny perspective, by someone who does it well, is an important perspective to have on the show.

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I think the short, tight and shinny perspective, by someone who does it well, is an important perspective to have on the show.

I agree Heidi brings a certain perspective, but frankly it shouldn't be hard to find another gorgeous, outgoing model to do it. She doesn't have the credentials and meticulous eyes that Nina, Michael, and Tim have, and I'd lose her before any of them.

If PR goes back to LA and we lose Nina and Michael again, I'll probably just skip that season entirely. Sorry.


Anna said:
I agree Heidi brings a certain perspective, but frankly it shouldn't be hard to find another gorgeous, outgoing model to do it. She doesn't have the credentials and meticulous eyes that Nina, Michael, and Tim have, and I'd lose her before any of them.
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I agree. I wouldn't mind seeing Fern M. there either. Why do we even need a model in that capacity?

I would rather hear from a "real" fashion professional or how about this...another designer?
I wouldn't miss Heidi for an instant...and if you look, she is on more "worst dressed" lists than "best dressed lists". I'm just sayin'.


Take heed, Heidi. Last season squandered every last drop of the good name "Project Runway." You're earning back the goodwill with a strong first episode of this season, but if you ever move this show back to L.A., that's the day I stop watching. Without the magical recipe of Dutchess, NinaGarcia, Tim Gunn, and the inspiration that only comes from being in NYC, the show just doesn't work.

TLo, can you propose a boycott of coverage of all things Runway if they ever foolishly try to abandon the city again?


If they go back to LA with rotating judges (the REAL killer of season 6), I'm done. Won't watch that again.

Heidi brings a certain charm, to be sure (though she was bordering on shrill this last season), but she's far from indispensable. In fact, the only truly indispensable person is Tim, because he is the heart of PR.

In my dream world, Milla Jovovich would step up to do the das vidaniaing.


Thanks for posting these excerpts from and link to the interview. Can't get enough Tim Gunn.

Until Tim said it, I didn't really think about the three finalists from last season being women in their 20s. It really reflects the LA setting, doesn't it?

Tim should agree to do a fundraiser for a beloved cause and auction off a "Shopping and Lunch Date with Time Gunn!" Don't you think? How much would you pay?


It's "back and FORTH", not FOURTH. Sorry to bitch but I've just spent an hour reading stuff on ew.com where there are misspellings all over the place which drives me nuts.


(Wayne Thiebaud said he prefers to be called exactly what he is, a "painter").

Well, we can agree to disagree on whether people who make art should call themselves artists.

But, I have to keep arguing : )

U.S. arts funding is lower than any other western/developed nation - even a tiny one like Belgium. How do we improve the popular perception of art and artists? One way might be to destigmatize the word artist.

The way this subject came up on this thread is an example. When Anna said she was an artist, what many heard was "ARTISTE" - all caps & with a french accent.

I think it would help if the word artist lost that emotional charge - and just meant artist, like teacher, dentist, lawyer, etc.


Awesome interview with Tim Gunn. Someone needs to have a serious talk with Miss Seal. She's delusional.


Heidi is going to ruin this show.


I am a fan of Miss Anthony. Loved him at the first line. So I HOPE he stays around.


APL Jeffery = Angry Little Peanut


Okay...

ALP = Angry Little Peanut
(Jeffry)


Damn it to Hell. NO more seasons in LA, do you hear me Lifetime? (I say it sucked without bias as I live in Ohio so I am looked down on by both coasts equally.) If it means no Heidi, we can all live with that.


Tim is the man, now and forever.
There is no Project Runway without him. Class, manners, good taste, there aren't enough positive adjectives under the sun to describe him.

If I never heard Heidi's voice or mean spirited tone again I'd be fine.
The show can and could go on without her. She can take that MOTR show with her. It blows. Frankly I could care less what these inexperienced "models" think or feel. it's not about them. It's about nurturing new designers, not coddling spoiled pretty young things.


as for the artist thing- I went to RISD (Actually I lived in the same dorm as Anna freshman year- and sometime its not so easy to define yourself as one 'type' of artist. If you do only one thing, you'll never survive at RISD. Going through freshman year you have to do so many techniques that its hard to pin down. She might have done most of her work in printmaking, but probably does all sorts of art.

I for one majored in sculpture, but my work now is closer to graphic design.


Lilithcat said...
Anonymous 10:50 said I went to school for science, but I am not considered a scientist because I don't have my PhD, even though my work is scientific.

In what world do you have to have a Ph.D. to be a scientist?



LOL, this one! I am not kidding you, if you want to do research on your own and publish, you need to be a PhD in almost every scientific field (excluding health). You can do whatever research you want, but you don't get paid for it and you'll be hardpressed to find a journal that will publish your work unless its backed by a PhD. And you are not considered a scientist until you can publish. Sucks huh?


Ping is just a mess. But she will be kept in for a while because she is so darn weird and they want some "personality."

Speaking of which, I love love love Anthony. He is a hoot!!

I am crushing on Seth Aaron. What a sexy sexy man. And his design was great. I wish they had praised him a bit more before telling him to leave the runway.

If the show goes to LA, losing its heart (Tim) and its credibility (Nina and Michael), it will also lose me. I have stuck with it despite it being on Lifetime. But that will be IT for me.


Me thinks Heidi needs to get kicked off the island.


Does anyone from Lifetime read this site? Heellooooo, Lifetime. The consensus seems to be that no one gives a flying rat's behind about Heidi. You can lose Heidi and we won't care; but we do care about (in this order): Tim, Nina and Michael, and NYC.

Lose the Fraulein if that is what it takes to keep the important players.


There are four temperaments in personality theory. And each Project Runway regular represents one of them:

Nina- SJ/Guardian
Heidi- SP/Artisan
Michael- NF/Idealist
Tim- NT/Rational

In fact, Tim Gunn is one inch away from being the stereotypical INTJ 5w6 mastermind (I'm pretty sure he is INTJ 5w4). And I like him that way! They all bring balance to the show. You take one away, you lose the balance.

I love seeing input from all of them. But I think my favorite regular member of the cast is Tim Gunn indeed. I absolutely loved it when he was the surprise final fourth judge in the season 5 finale. Best plot twist of the whole show- ever!


Brenna said:
Does anyone from Lifetime read this site? Heellooooo, Lifetime. The consensus seems to be that no one gives a flying rat's behind about Heidi. You can lose Heidi and we won't care; but we do care about (in this order): Tim, Nina and Michael, and NYC.

Lose the Fraulein if that is what it takes to keep the important players.
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I second that. Despite what she may think she is the weakest link. I've taken to hitting the mute button when she comes out with her weekly "one day you're in...speech. I just can't hear her voice anymore or listen to her mean spirited comments.
Everyone up there is doing their best. She has been blessed with beauty and a very successful modeling career. I wish just once she would at least pretend to walk in someone else shoes and lose the attitude.





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