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Auf-Wiedersehen!

Darlings, a one-act play for your enjoyment.

The curtain rises on a stage bare except for two desks facing each other with a television in the middle. Each seated at a desk are TOM, a bright-eyed optimist with a wicked tongue, and LORENZO, a wise, but cynical latin man, prone to outbursts because he is a latin man. They are each staring at computer screens while Project Runway plays silently on the television.]


LORENZO: I don't want to hear it!

TOM: I honestly don't get what your problem is here. It's not like you don't know this show...

LORENZO: IT'S INSULTING!

TOM: It's par for the course! What are you talking about? I didn't like Ping's ass lampshade any more than you did, but look at this dress!

[They pause to look at Pamela's dress on their TV.]

Model: Sarah Bell


LORENZO: Okay, so it's a little tacky...

TOM: Tacky?! It's HOOKER AT THE RODEO. This looks like a dress you could buy at a giftshop in a truckstop!

LORENZO: At least her ass isn't hanging out!

TOM: No, it just looks huge, not to mention easy access, what with the lacing and all.

LORENZO: So you honestly think Ping should have stayed and Pam should have been auf'd?

TOM: All I'm saying is, I get where the judges were coming from on this. It's exactly how they always judge. They see "point of view" when they look at Ping's work and they see "truckstop dress" when they look at Pam's.

LORENZO: I still feel the judges should make their decisions based on what they see in front of them.

TOM: LOL! I'm LOLing here! What show have YOU been watching? I'm not saying I like it, but they judge based on potential. They always have.

LORENZO: And you think Ping has potential?

TOM: Not really, but let's save that for the Ping post.

LORENZO: Okay, but let's not make me sound like an angry fanboy with this post.

TOM: Are you kidding me? Everyone's going to agree with you and think I'm smoking crack.

[Exeunt TOM and LORENZO. Curtain.]

And there you have it. You guys hash it out as to which one of us is crazy. One more thing:

What kind of model basically lets the judges know she hates her dress? Talk about throwing a designer under the bus. We've got our eye on you, missy.


Tim Gunn's Workroom:


Extended Judging:


Exit Interview:



[Photos/Videos: myLifetime.com - Screencaps: Projectrungay.blogspot.com]


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Ping's was terrible. I have no idea why she wasn't auf'd.


Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
OMG!! That is HYSTERICAL!!!

And as a Latina who is prone to outbursts..I feel ya Lorenzo!!!

Truck Stop dress!!! lol

Awesome! Made my day!!!


Thanks for the early posts; gives me something to look forward to on a Friday morning.
That was a tough one to decide; I think that Pamela has a very dated view. Last weeks dress looked like something made out of an old bridesmaid dress and this week was definately Truck Stop. While I think Ping comes from a whole other dimension, at least it is not dated looking.


There's precedent for ass winning out over bad. Remember Wendy Pepper in season 1? I think it was the bathing suit ep? When she had to design an ill fitting thong because otherwise her model would be hanging out.

It was totally a producer's decision, I think. Pam got hosed. She deserved to be in the bottom 3, but not to be aufed


Oh, and Pamela's model? Karma's a bitch honey, and she's pointing her laser sights at you.


"Tom said: Everyone's going to agree with you and think I'm smoking crack."





I was actually thinking Robitussin.

--GothamTomato


I'll take Pings dress over this. Ping seems like the type who succeeds in some places, but when out of her element, fails. And she's adorable.

This is a redneck hooker dress.


I know.
That thing Ping sent down the runway was horrendous but I can't help cheering that she's still in. I can't wait for what else she might make and LOVED her first look. I think you're correct to say that the judges may have been going with point of view.
I WAS shocked though. Shocked that she stayed.

Myra Flection


Pamela deserved to go home. Ping created something quite special for the first challenge, while this was two depressing, completely uninteresting looks from Pamela. Whose collection would you rather possibly see at the end of the season?

If Ping fucks up again, she can go, but I'm glad the judges didn't pull a Malvin and eliminate one of the most potentially interesting designers at the very beginning of the season.


LOL Love it! It pains me to say this, but yeah, Pamela would've been my choice too.


This one definitely deserved the auf. Ping's was also truly bad, but the thing that saved her is that she KNEW it was bad and had a mini-cry before the judges. Pamela is still wondering what is so bad about this dress.


I am intrigued about what Ping will do next, but must say I GASPED when her model turned around and flashed some crack. But honestly, wasn't Mila's tribute to wardrobe malfunction almost as bad. Seriously, they had to use the fog titty filter.


Pam's model is not attractive. She looks like she has a huge ass because she does have a huge ass!


Well, Tom, it's you and me against the world. This was awful (truck stop hookerwear, indeed). Her pink flamingo dress was awful.

Ping . . . well, Ping intrigues. Maybe not for much longer, but I agree with this aufing, though Pamela seems lovely, and I'm sorry she had to go.


Ok, can someone clarify something for me here?
This is the second time Pamela made her model look chunky. Is it just that Pamela has no idea how to create garments that actually flatter a woman's body, or is Sarah naturally a little bigger than the other models? If so, there's nothing wrong with it but there seems to be proportion issues and I am feeling very confused.

~L


Can I agree with both of you? It's flip a coin time for me as to who should have gone.


This was definitely the right choice for the aufing. Point-of-view almost always wins out on this show over perceived taste issues.


Actually, I think Jesus the Quinceanara Barbie should have gone home. "Taste issues" doesn't even begin to cover it...


"Gorgeous THings said: There's precedent for ass winning out over bad. Remember Wendy Pepper in season 1?"





I was thinking of Shatengi, and her sweater dress that she blamed on the model having a fat ass. Flashing your model doesn't seem to matter here.

I was just wondering if they made the poor girl go to the party like that, or they they at least let her sew up the vent.

--GothamTomato


I thought Jesus should have gone.


in the end, I thought they were equally bad. But I wouldn't mind seeing what Ping will do next, and I don't want to see anything else from Pamela. So for me, the decision made perfect sense.

truck stop dress. I love it. So true.


Okay, while I was writing, a few others posted similarly. So it's a few of us against the world, but I believe we are a small enough minority that we will need protected status.


As soon as I saw the dress on the runway, I thought she was just missing a cowboy hat for full-on truckstop hooker. While Ping's dress was ridiculous, she was at least trying to push the envelope. pamela's dress was just a costume for "Hooker #2" in the movie "Roadhouse".


I'm on Tom's side. I saw that dress and immediately said, "The judges are going to hate it. It's too simple."

Ping is another story. Trust me, I think she's batcrap crazy and that outfit was UGH, but Pamela was good as out when it looks like she didn't even try.


I think the judges should ask the models their opinion before the judges express their own. It would be very hard to stand there and say you like something that's just been trashed.


What about when Blayne's "Girlicious" design got saved...the one where it looked like she had a maxi pad (barely) sewn closed over her crotch...


Maybe it is just the photos or maybe it is the dress, but the model's ass looks huge. Not flattering at all.

I'm blaming the dress.


GothamTomato said...
I was thinking of Shatengi, and her sweater dress that she blamed on the model having a fat ass. Flashing your model doesn't seem to matter here.


Thanks GT! I was trying to remember the other one. I remembered her butt hanging out but I could not remember whose dress or what season that was.


Nels, I certainly thought Jesus going home, esp. when they showed him saying he'd decided to ignore Tim's advice, blah blah blah. Ultimately, I kind of understand why he stayed and Pamela didn't, but to quote Mizrahi, I think he's hanging by a thread.


Ping is a wild card; Pam's a bit "unrevealed" yet. Sure she made a dress that made her model's butt look big, but she might have shown us more. Jesus, on the other hand, has shown us two dreadful looks. Boring. What else does he have to offer? He shoulda been auf'ed.


I agreed with the auf'ing. Yes, Ping's was so bad it was funny, but at least there seemed to be some interesting idea behind it. I don't think Ping will last much longer, but between these two last night, I felt like it was time for Pam to go. And, Ping makes for good TV and we've always known that's part of the juding process.


If anyone should have gone home it should have been Jesus, I'm already tired of him.

And Ping is too precious to get rid of, seeing her react to things fills me with Joy. I need her to stay for atleast a few more episodes. I can not get enough of the PING!


Ping's dress was terrible, but I agreed with the judges here. Pam never seem that interesting to me. Her dress last week was the exact same thing as her portfolio.
With Ping you winder if she will grow and send something awesome down the runway.


Ping certainly isn't going all the way, but she might turn out another striking piece or two before she goes. And she'll be fun to watch in the meantime. No problem with her staying a little longer.

Jesus has now made his second consecutive tacky mess. This time he deliberately avoided the brief, too. If anything, Pamela should have stayed over Jesus because she at least knew how to get the effect she wanted from a difficult fabric.

But that was not a good dress in any way, and she was clearly not a contender, so I'm not losing sleep over that either.


I'm not going to cry that this dress got her the auf.
It is well made, but come on she tried (and succeed) to make burlap into faded denim to make a cocktail dress. That is a bit like making flannel look like corduroy for a cocktail dress.
I think a burlap cocktail dress is more interesting and unique than a denim one.
I think Anna's and Captain Crunch were worse in the (a)boring and (b) stupid and messy catagories.


tom, i'm in agreement with you.
i just loathe that faux-denim look, probably from too much time spent working in an elementary school in the 80's. however, the biggest problem to me was its "truck stop" look. super tacky/biker chick look.
ping's wasn't really any better (why didn't she listen to tim's warning about the bum???) but ping is interesting and weird…in a good way.
thanks for getting these posts up bright and early on my day off. you guys rock.
hope you are feeling better tom.
xoxo


While watching I think I was distracted by how the ombre effect was actually pretty cool, not realizing how terrible this dress really is. So yeah, I gotta say Pamela deserved this auf.


Unless she's gifted with amazing anti-aging genetics, I'd love to know what Pamela's secret is. She looks amazing. Did I read correctly that she's 47? Wish Amy had won. I'm rooting for her.


"Rodeo hooker"...and she looked like she was open for business. Ping's design was out there, but at least she showed some originality. I just hope she can rein in the "bizarre" factor.


I was just wondering if they made the poor girl go to the party like that, or they they at least let her sew up the vent.

--GothamTomato

GT, Ping's model (if that's what you're asking) went to the party with that dress but she wore black opaque (looked like that) tights, which minimized a little bit the ass hanging effect (although they didn't show it). Pamela's model went to the party with the Truck stop dress and the only change she made was her hair style: she was wearing pony tails (???) so she would look more like a hooker Mary Anne???


I get why Jesus was in the bottom 2 - missing the concept of the challenge - but for me it'd have been between this tacky-whory-country-outfit and Ping's. Of course, from what we've seen from other seasons, a badly-covered (to say the least) ass isn't reason enough to auf someone (Shetangi and Wendy, I'm looking at you).

This thing that the model is wearing really hurts my eyes... as Pamela's previous entry also did.


The model's ass looked even larger from the side. Love or hate Ping, but recognize that Pamela's dress was neither fashion nor well executed off-the-rack. Pamela seems very nice, but it was her or Jesus for the auf. Boring and ill-fitting loses to WTF in project runway land every time.

Ms_flyover


That was a fun play! Fly on the wall perspective on TLo!

Pamela's dress was an awful design but I appreciated the dye job and the execution. It looked horrible! But at least it was made well.....to an extent.

ok look, I can't excuse that hot mess but seriously?! Ping's design was NOT a design. It was miserable!

Nina shook her head AND pursed her lips! That is fashion death! That says "Get off my runway and out of my sight!"

Pamela may not have made it very far in this competition (and rightly so for her underwhelming designs) but put her up against Ping last night and Ping should have been auf'd.

I get point of view, I do. Ping's POV is stronger than Pamela's and ultimately, I would have loved to see what her collection would look like but how the judges can overlook the several aspects of Ping's design that was so wrong (design, execution, styling), I can not fathom.

But ugh.....ok, fine, Ping does have potential, I get it, I see it but still! She has one more chance to impress this viewer - she sends one more crazy "garment" down the runway and I am done with her.

I see the producer's all over this one by the way....


I'm with you, Tom, and if it's from the crack fumes that drift around my neighborhood, so be it. Seriously. Pamela is a sweet woman who designs from the late 80's/early 90's. This was boring, dull, ill-fitting, hookerish and trite Southwestern with all the lacing and turquoise/leather color combo. At least Ping's was interesting, if not ridiculous.

The other factor that no one has mentioned is that this look was supposed to be for a modeling industry party in NYC, not going to a tailgate party at NASCAR on the weekend. It just didn't fit that part of the challenge as much as Baby Jesus' frock (now I'm definitely going to use that word!) didn't follow the rules of the challenge.

I agree with the auf.


I wouldn't have been surprised or upset if Ping got auf'd. But on the other hand, I agree with -- was it Nina's question? Which of these designers are you most interested in seeing more from?

The fact that Tim was talking Pamela out of putting flower petals on her pink and purple reversible dress last week and she comes out with this VERY dated, backwards dress.... well, I can't exactly get up in arms about her going either. Especially since she didn't seem to have any problems with the look of it.

Of course I wouldn't be surprised to see Ping's auf coming in the near future as well, and I won't lose any sleep over it.

I also wouldn't have minded Jesus going either! So yeah, any of the bottom 3 being auf'd was good in my book I guess. Rarely does it work out that easily.


austingirl said:
ping's wasn't really any better (why didn't she listen to tim's warning about the bum???)

I was wondering about that, did Ping run out of potato sack? she could have easily do the same skirt but a little longer (even with the ridiculous side vents)


bitchybitchybitchy

Yes, Pam's dress was tacky, it was pedestrian, but at least it covered her model's butt. Does it make her model's butt look bigger?
Yes. BUT IT IS COVERED. Even though the model didn't like the dress, at least she wasn't mooning the judges.

I don't know that Pam was going to go much further on this season, but I think her elimination last night was unjust.


yes, it really did look just like denim. But, as Merle has taught us, "Denim is for farmers."

Truck stop giftshop? Boys, you slay me.

I'm with Tom on this one. not surprised. But even more, I'm with the judges, I want to see what else Ping will send down the runway. I do not CARE what else Pamela had up her sleeve. She seemed talented enough, but not runway-interesting.


I was just wondering if they made the poor girl go to the party like that, or they they at least let her sew up the vent.
On Models of the Runway it looked like she wore tights, but there's no back shot to tell completely.

Speaking of which I wonder if TLo will recap MotR this year. There are several older models and it makes for quite an interesting dynamic. Also this week there was a lot of model jumping.


Hey, if my husband, who's PR commentary is usually no more detailed than "that's pretty" or "that's ugly" said it looked like you could buy this dress at the gas station in his hometown (re: extreme Boonies) you know it's auful! Ping stayed because Nina hates tacky mallwear.


mommyca said...
GT, Ping's model (if that's what you're asking) went to the party with that dress but she wore black opaque (looked like that) tights, which minimized a little bit the ass hanging effect (although they didn't show it). Pamela's model went to the party with the Truck stop dress and the only change she made was her hair style: she was wearing pony tails (???) so she would look more like a hooker Mary Anne???


So why in the devil didn't she send it down the runway with the black tights, or at least panties !


Michael said:
Ping's was also truly bad, but the thing that saved her is that she KNEW it was bad and had a mini-cry before the judges.
Heidi commented she didn't know what ping really understood or wonderded if she was just using her crazy to her advantage. seems to be working.


That lace-up effect on Pam's dress always looks tacky and 70's biker (bless her, but Stella used it many times). Other contestants have been booted for using it over the years. It certainly seems to be an automatic auf criterion with these judges.


I knew Ping was safe, when they didn't edit out Lauren Hutton's positive comments. But I did enjoy the peek behind the curtain at the House of TLo.


I actually would've given the auf to little Jesus. He ignored the challenge, and didn't even create anything good enough to have made up for completely missing the point. The boy has technical skills, but his taste sucks.

Ping's dress made me think of early communist Russia... with ass. I don't know why she couldn't have covered the slit and made an inverted pleat out of it, but at least she had a direction, even if she missed the mark. I haven't been on the Ping bandwagon, and I'm still not, but I can see where she's going with this. Others who've done far worse have stayed on in past seasons, why not her, too?

As for Pamela's dress, it's just assy. The model's ass looks gigantic, the bodice is boring, and the lashing is really hokey. I guess now we won't have to wait for her to go on and on about how god is her favorite designer.


I think Pamela's auffing was justified. I don't recall seeing anything like that on the runway since ---- oh, wait, didn't Althea, queen of trailer park chic own the same dress? Anyway, I was personally offended by the dress and disappointed in Pamela. She's a local and seemed to have potential. Her dress was bad and did not look elegant or sophisticated enough for an industry event. It looked like something Pamela Anderson might wear to Rite Aid to promote her new celeb-scent, "Malibu." (I know of this because it's coming to a RiteAid near me). Ping's was pretty bad, but as others have posted, ass/boob-flashing is par for the runway and she has a unique and distinct point-of-view.


edina


Yeah, this was pretty bad. Lucky Ping somebody sent a bigger ass down the runway.


I do think there's something to be said for the fact that Ping recognized that she had some problems, and Pam seemed to be fundamentally fine with her truck stop look.

It'll certainly be more interesting to see Ping in a team challenge.


Should have been a double auf'ing/please-pack-your-table-or-knives-and-go--Ping and Pam.


I think Ping and Jesus were spared because they're both far more interesting on the screen than Pamela is, and all three dresses were awful.

We'll see Ping's lack of construction skills come back to haunt her soon enough.

Same with Jesus' lack of taste.


Ping's good TV, but Pam with her loads of affirmations and love and praise for those self-obsessed clothes hangers was just a drip.


Sewing Siren--your photo is gorgeous, any chance of your sharing some other angles on that?


When your model looks like she's on her way to a Poison concert, you should know you're in trouble.


As Heidi asked, "do we want to see more from Ping?" And honestly, can't we all answer YES! to that question? She's not going to Bryant Park, we know that much, but I'm delighted that I'll get to see a bit more of her crazy.

Besides, any time I am offered evidence that even 19-year-old size 0 models have cellulite, I'm delighted. Thank you, Ping.


TLo said:

"We've got our eye on you, missy."

Be afraid, young lady. Be very afraid.

BookieBookie


I gotta say, if Tom's smoking crack, so am I.

Love Ping, loved Ping's look last week...love Ping.

It's how Santino stayed around -- throw some ass up on stage (literally and/or figuratively) but show strong POV. As long as there's still someone else sucking, you'll stay.

Bad + POV = In
Bad + Dull = Auf

Or you can replace "dull" with Tacky or Prom or Bridesmaid or Hooker or...


Well, she did do a beautiful job of fitting together the denim -- no, I'm serious, look at it, it's beautiful -- to make that incredibly tacky, ordinary, tacky dress.

But yeah, that isn't enough.


Caling a duck a duck is not "throwing the designer under the boss." That dress is pure, unadulterated hooker fug.

And yet Ping still should have gone home - easily. Thanks Lifetime producers - I'm glad you think women will be entranced by her "quirky" personality and won't notice that her work is total butt, but we're smarter than that and can see the forest for the trees.


Count me in the Jesus-dodged-a-bullet camp. At least the other two embraced the challenge and did something interesting with their materials.

Granted, the interest in Pamela's look was mostly in the dye job she gave it, but I'll take that over basically using the burlap as muslin.


I was sure Jesus was going, but I'm not all that surprised. I can't wait to see Ping in a team challenge. Hilarity will ensue.


I would have been fine with a double aufing - Pam and Jesus. Two fails two weeks in a row from both of them, IMO.


(oops, burlap, not denim.)

I think the model's body looks great, but I seem to be in a tiny minority. She's built just like Jessica Rabbit, hotcha!


I have to agree it was a pretty hideous dress but I'm sad to see such a nice person like Pamela go. She seems a bit locked in the 70's-80's but what a sweetheart. I wish her well.

Her model absolutely threw her under the bus. What a bitch! She whined about the dress then ending up going to the party with Elly Mae braids of her own volition! wtf? I'm sorry she got picked again. I would have sacked her sorry ass.

like you guys and the other posters mentioned, karma's a bitch. It's coming your way honey.

Why do these mostly inexperienced girls think it's about them? I wish Lauren Hutton would have given them a real lesson in model behavior.


Ultimately, Pam committed the cardinal sin of boring Nina.


T can always blame it on the Nyquil and Vodka tonics from last night. My fault, I fear.

However, I kinda agree with him, about the judges perspective.

Ping was top three last week, has a definite POV that is "different" and distinguishable from the other contestants, while that single dress was pure RODEO HOOKER AT A TRUCK STOP. (Yee HA-ha-haaaaaaaa!)

T nailed it on that one.

I also agree with some of the minions that the producers pushed (Pinged?) the judges in a Ping saving direction ....

She will be aufed soon, but not yet, cause she and the controversy makes for better TV than what polite Pam could offer up on the podium.

Perhaps not fair, but (IMHO) neither Pam nor Ping have the legs to last the entire race .... but they sacrificed TSRH Pam for POV Ping.

Just Sayin-

P.S. TSRH = Truck Stop Rodeo Hooker

P.P.S. Also agree with LO, if the judges voted on the dress in front of them, Ping should have been out of that barn door faster than a (insert appropriate barnyard metaphor here) ...


The glimpse into the TLO creative process raised a grin. Not only is this season back to the level of Pre-Season 6 PR, it seems to have given you two enough to work with that there's a renewed zip.

It didn't bother me a bit that this ugly, tacky AND pedestrian garment sent Pamela home. How many dresses, over the years, have I seen that looked pretty much like this?? Only difference is that they were all in denim.

So I will say that Ping's affront was the more heinous, but I agree with her auffing nonetheless.


Siren--Thanks, it's fantastic. I'll give you the win this week. Even though you cannot glimpse "the boobies" in it.


If this were the horrendous Season 6, then Ping would definitely have been auf'ed. I see her inclusion as a sign that things are going back to awesome (although I agree with whichever judged said that her whole "boo hoo i didn't understand the challenge" excuse was a put-on).

It would have been a lovely dress if it had been, you know, a dress.


I'm with Team Tom on this one.
Do the designers ever watch other seasons!? Heres what the judges want....take crap and make it look expensive. Church Lady died one cheap fabric to look like another cheap fabric. Nina no likey.

As for the model throwing her under the bus...to me it seemed like the model was caught off guard. It would have taken a great actress to sell that fug dress.


Ugh on all counts.
Since I sew a little, I like to look at an outfit and see if it may be saved with a few little adjustments.
I think Pam's could have been tweaked into something better--longer, maybe (so the big arse was not so prominent), or another accent color (to take away the rodeo hooker element).
Jesus' dress, OTHO, was a fricking mess. Frickin'. No way to salvage.
I love Ping and her wacky view of the world, so I can see why she was in. There's certainly a POV there...
I would have been happier if they'd auf'd BOTH Pam AND Jesus.
But, I know it's way too early in the game for a double elimination, unfortunately.
So--we'll have to endure another ass look from Jesus next week. *sigh*


The comments in the lounge were mixed, but the view (of the majority/plurality) seemed to be Ping should have been out.

The top of Ping was soooo Andre in the plant/flower shop challenge. And the bottom was pure ass, ala Zulema.

And the delusion of trying to convince the judges that the only problem was THE COLOR (of the model's skin). Seriously WTF?
(and language or culture aside, where would the ass on that dress be worn on the street, let alone to a industry party.)



While I did not Pamela's end result the tie bottom (better had it tied in the front), the leather
and the grommet and the dye all were good ideas but not executed well.

I disagree strongly that Ping deserved to be in the top last week - it was just another example of the different treatment (giving her a pass and what they complain about others for).

And since Jesus should not have been in the bottom last week, the argument that he was there 2 wks in a row seems unfair to me.


Just a quick comment about the guest judge.
Yay!!!!

Loved seeing Lauren Hutton in the chair. PR has the cachet to attract quality fashion professionals. I hope they keep it up and we see more of this and less stylists and D list tabloid boldfaces.
Bring Lauren back for the finale.


bitchybitchybitchy

And honestly, can't we all answer YES! to that question? She's not going to Bryant Park, we know that much, but I'm delighted that I'll get to see a bit more of her crazy.

Actually, I don't want to see more of Ping. I think she's endearing, charming, but her first design looked like a better-dressed version of the bag ladies outside my office building, and her second design was pure ass.

So, sue me for not being on the adorable, cute, what will she do next Ping bandwagon.


As so often happens, you made my day with this post. I laughed out loud at my desk which, trust me, doesn't happen a lot these days. Thank you, thank you. Hope Lorenzo is feeling better - I totally sympathize, having had consumption myself for nearly two weeks. I believe if you listen hard you could hear me coughing, even from zillions of miles away!


In Pam's defense, she went with the challenge, interestingly dyed her fabric, and had the model's private parts remain private.

Jesus, on the other had, poorly made a boring dress that didn't meet the challenge criteria. He should be the one sitting at home now.

All in all, though, good challenge. Way better than anything last season!


In this instance I think the model is allowed to express her opinion on the dress because she has to wear the ugly thing to the "industry party."


Pam's model may not necessarily have a big ass but she does have very wide hips - for a runway model. This can also be seen in the photo from last week, where she was wearing Pam's strange pink garment. The other designers will quickly pick up on this, and I don't think this particular model will last too long in the competition. Of course, I could be wrong, and certainly have been in the past (espcially regarding Lisa last season).


Oops, sorry - I meant I hope TOM is better. See, cough medicine with "the good stuff" in it has clouded my brain!


This dress reminded me of the horrendous things Stella used to put down the runway. All lace-ups, all hooker. At least Stella used some leah-thah.


Anonymous@11:05: Pam's model is not attractive. She looks like she has a huge ass because she does have a huge ass!

Sir/Madam, I live in the Midwest so you can trust that I know what a huge ass is. Pam's model has CURVES that Pam had no vision for.

It is the lack of vision that is unattractive, not the woman inside the dress.

Ping is indeed a wild card, so much so that this episode I began to wonder if it would not be a favor to her to auf her back to her sphere. I think a crowd of kittens will follow her. Well, we'll see, won't we?


Pass your crack, Lorenzo,b/c I agree with you. Ping was kept because she has a distinct point of view.

Pam's dress was beyond hideous -- I honestly think people aren't giving rodeo hookers and truck stops a fair shake and should apologize. :)

I honestly expected Jesus to be sent home.


It wasn't down to Ping and Pam. It was down to Jesus and Pam. And out of those two, Jesus should have gone home! His potential or point of view aren't any better than Pam's and his dress was way, way uglier. And didn't use the burlap much, so didn't stick to the guidelines of the challenge.


PEOPLE - Ping did NOT recognize the problems - she delighted in them did you not see her clapping and fawning over the outfit while then model and other designers were concerned for her? Tim warned her, her model warned her.

And the fake tears - I can't believe I am going to say this - Heidi was right (about that).

And tried to deflect crying about the color (and more about the model's skin color, than the garment).


I'm with Tom on this one. We were discussing it and going over the issues. I throught for a while that it would be Jesus, but his constructions skills seem to be helping him out. It's a shame his sense of glamour comes from 1972.

I loved Pamela's dye work, but as stated by Siren and others, a denim cocktail dress? I am am content with the aufing.


1. I agree with all those who say Amy should have won. Heck, I thought she HAD won. I was all set to say, "Dang, second winner in a row whose outfit I would wear RIGHT NOW!" But alas, it was not to be.

2. Speaking of minority opinions, I thought Jesus was going home. Ignoring the brief and using ugly colors to do it? Pamela's was dull with a dullness twelve ways to next Tuesday, but at least she used the burlap and achieved the effect she set out to attain, however ill-conceived.

3. I feel ya on the model thing. If only for self-preservation, she should've said she liked the dress. However, her response was not "OMFG THIS SUCKS!" but rather "Ummmm.........." Here's the subtext I get from that: "I really, really want to say I love it because I know it's in my best interest to do so, but I was also brought up not to lie." That's a rough line to toe.

In the immortal words of Scrubs: *You can't tell him! But silence is incriminating too. Quick, what's halfway between silence and speaking?* "Daaaaah blah errrrrr..."


I was certain that Jesus was out the door.

All that said I loved Pam's ombre dye job and then she essentially did all the hard work for nothing in chopping up the burlap to piece together than monstrosity. She should have used the ombre blue in larger pieces to really highlight the coloring. A simple wrap dress in that would have saved her. Ah well.


I thought Hay!sus should have left. This was the second time he was in the bottom and he didn't really follow the challenge. I would have kicked him off and saved Pam and given her a second chance.


Hated this dress, it's so tacky.


Sorry to see one of the older designers go. I didn't like this or last week's offering from her either but I think Pamela can take direction and would learn from her mistakes. At least she did the challenge.

Cute little Jesus did not.
certainly Ping is good tv that's why she was saved.

loved Lauren Hutton! great choice.
no more stylists please...
I think we've seen enough--hence the dreadful red carpet lineup at the Globes. Enough of them!


I'd rather have big ass than my ass hanging out for the world to see.


I'm completely on Team Tom with this one.

1. The judges always reward ambition and point of view over taste and construction issues.

2. Making burlap (a cheap, ugly fabric) look like denim (a slightly less cheap fabric) is not an accomplishment that needs to be rewarded.

"Hooker at the rodeo" sums it up nicely.


Maybe I am going to have to watch again - but I really don't get why people are saying Jesus did not DO the challenge. The top was ALL burlap and the bottom was all burlap with ribbon (in a BEAUTIFUL shade of green NINA).

When they went to the trims/notions I immediately thought of using a lot of ribbon and don't recall Tim telling them (until the workroom) that ALL of the burlap had to show.

And BTW does anyone remember Jonathan's? Because his dress had almost as much lace (coverage) on the front as Jesus had on the skirt.


i was SHOCKED ping didn't go home, but good grief, pam's dress is FUG. it's hideous all around and looks super cheap. it reminds me of what all the trashy redneck girls wear to the county fair.

but ping, she needs to calm down and edit. how did she miss that the ass was hanging out? if she can't pull it together she'll be gone in a week. still, i want to take her home with me.


I don't thing either of them should have been auf'ed.

Pamela's was tacky and awful, but there was good craftsmanship. Really, though, I'd pick her to go before Ping, because what I didn't see from Pamela was point of view.

With Ping's... I don't know, I guess I'll save that for her post, but I agree with the judges. This was a big technical mis-step from her, but she showed them something last week.

Jesus, though. Ouch. I'd have picked him to go. I don't think he has the chops or the smarts for this competition.


Ok, I've calmed down and yes the dress was neither classy nor flattering. I was so impressed last night with the dye job tho. Cmon, it looked like denim. And Pam was so sweet. It just broke my heart to see her go. Meanwhile the guy who has been in the bottom two twice now AND ignored Tim is still here, as is the chick who just throws fabric on her model.

And I'm sorry I just can't wait for the Ping post. That was some bullshit. Yes, she didn't have the strongest model but she sent her down the runway in a sack that looked like a sack with her ass hanging out (and she was loyal during the judging critique-there is no way she liked that dumpy, vulgar mess) and then rewarded her by dumping her. Zulema flashback. I fear to incur TLo wrath but I am officially anti-Ping. What is the poor bastard who gets paired with her next week going to do?


I am with Tom here.

Point one, this is the most hideous, tacky, horrid dress ever. Aside to whether someone deserved it better or not, I cannot see any reason to disagree this is a big auf.

The fact that she manipulated the fabric to look exactly like denim is no . If anything, it makes it worse.

Then, all the moral talk about double standards and the like. Yes, making a bottom look huge in a runway is as bad, in the fashion book, than showing off your buttocks. And it's million times worse than a peek of the breast. This is fashion, no ethics or a treatise on equality of body parts. That's the way it is.

Plus, we have spent a season complaining of no consistent judging and of the fact that Michael and Nina not being there meant that no account was taken of the designers previous efforts for bad of worse. Well, here comes the consistent judging we'd been asking for! It's clear that Michael and Nina are interested by Ping. It was cristal clear that Nina was going to absolutely HATE Pam's dress. Ping was top-3 last time; Pamela was not (and may have just about missed bottom-3). They know Ping can do something they like. The hate what Pam is doing. The judges explained it very clear in their deliberations, despite Ping's disaster they "want to see more of her". So, you get two disasters, which one you auf? The decision was logical and totaly consistent with what this judges, specially Michael and Nina, are about.

Didn't you want them back?!


I am with Tom here.

Point one, this is the most hideous, tacky, horrid dress ever. Aside to whether someone deserved it better or not, I cannot see any reason to disagree this is a big auf.

The fact that she manipulated the fabric to look exactly like denim is no . If anything, it makes it worse.

Then, all the moral talk about double standards and the like. Yes, making a bottom look huge in a runway is as bad, in the fashion book, than showing off your buttocks. And it's million times worse than a peek of the breast. This is fashion, no ethics or a treatise on equality of body parts. That's the way it is.

Plus, we have spent a season complaining of no consistent judging and of the fact that Michael and Nina not being there meant that no account was taken of the designers previous efforts for bad of worse. Well, here comes the consistent judging we'd been asking for! It's clear that Michael and Nina are interested by Ping. It was cristal clear that Nina was going to absolutely HATE Pam's dress. Ping was top-3 last time; Pamela was not (and may have just about missed bottom-3). They know Ping can do something they like. The hate what Pam is doing. The judges explained it very clear in their deliberations, despite Ping's disaster they "want to see more of her". So, you get two disasters, which one you auf? The decision was logical and totaly consistent with what this judges, specially Michael and Nina, are about.

Didn't you want them back?!

-Don


ASK said...
Maybe I am going to have to watch again - but I really don't get why people are saying Jesus did not DO the challenge. The top was ALL burlap and the bottom was all burlap with ribbon (in a BEAUTIFUL shade of green NINA).


I agree about Jesuses dress. I took the entire bodice to be dyed burlap and the entire skirt as well, with the ribbon cover about 2/3 to 3/4 of it.
I would say that Johnathon and Mila also had about 1/3 of the front of their dresses covered with applied decoration.
And what was with Nina saying Jesus just uses brown and pea green. That's 2 colors and there have been 2 challenges, do the math.
I think the producers like to put someone in the bottom (think Ricky and Christopher) repeatedly (deseved or not)and save them repeatedly (deserved or not) just to mess with their heads and the heads of their competitors.


This was REALLY bad.


VanessaM - as to the poor soul who gets teamed with her - it looked like poor Jesse might be stuck with her. I think he seems like too nice of a guy to be stuck with that.

She seems like she'll say - yeah, yeah and do whatever the hell she feels like. I'm predicting she'll be and awful teammate.


VanessaM - as to the poor soul who gets teamed with her - it looked like poor Jesse might be stuck with her. I think he seems like too nice of a guy to be stuck with that.

She seems like she'll say - yeah, yeah and do whatever the hell she feels like. I'm predicting she'll be and awful teammate.


I don't think Pamela OR Ping should have been out. Don't forget Jesus, who didn't even follow directions! Or listen to Tim Gunn! Not only that, but the dress he made wasn't great anyway. I hope this isn't a Mitchel repeat.


Ok, the model threw her under the bus, shame on her; but seriously would you let the panel think that you're perfectly fine with dressing like a rodeo hooker?


Jesus listened to Tim Gunn. He told him not to cover the dress in ribbon and he didn't do it.
Pam and Ping did not listen. You'd think that: beware-that-your-model flashing-her-buttocks-to-the judges-may-not-be-the-best-idea, would have been rather a straight pice of advice to follow, but... nope!

-Dan


I liked her and I agree that the dress was flawed, but c'mon! Ping's dress had her ass hanging out for ALL to see! I've been watching this show long enough to know that the only reason they kept Ping is because she brings an edge to the show.


ASK "- but I really don't get why people are saying Jesus did not DO the challen"

I agree. i wouldn't have been sorry for him to go home, but he did do the challenge. And the instructions never said it had to look like burlap. Still, Tim expressed concern about his completely disguising the burlap --essentially using it like muslin -- and I think Tim had a point (though if Jesus had made something beautiful, the judges wouldn't have cared).

As for why people are saying that, haven't you noticed by now that people say all kinds of shit?


I agree that Jesus was a good candidate for auf'ing: I'm always surprised at how the judges can tolerate a clear cheating like that.

Plus disobeying Tim? It's a fucking deadly sin.


yeah! ho! wah!

ok, so my opinion...

pings was the worst outfit, but im glad she could stay, because she has potential and is interesting (and adorable)

pamelas was bad, but i dont think she should have gone home. she at least did a fantastic dye job, that colour was truly gorgeous. (also, i wanted her to have some jesus related meltdown/freakout at some point. back-from-the-dead-jesus, not adorable-but-untalented-designer-jesus, that is.)

jesus should have gone home. not only didnt he really get the challenge... he has now sent two tacky, dated, ugly dresses down the runway.


My husband came to check on me because he heard me yelling "Not Ping, Not Ping!" She hasn't even begun to approach the top of the crazyness ceiling. It's hard to look good when you're crying but even on the verge of tears and crying, she was still adorable. Plus, as someone else said, she knew it was bad so you have to give her some credit for that insight. I would have preferred Jesus have been auffed but he and Pam were sort of equally clueless. There seems to be producer manipulation going on in the model ranks in order to spice up the show. Milla's vindication was sweet.


terrible dress...but for all the people who keep going on about the model looking fat because she has a FAT ASS?!?...bishes pls...glad you all won the genetic lottery and are all the most super svelte thangs out there but i only wish i could have a "fat" ass like that...what the hell does she weigh...120 lbs soaking wet...seriously no wonder us womens has the serious body issues we do when a-holes like you all call a MODEL fat!!!!!!! i cannot express how much eye rolling and anger those comments have inspired in me...k must go breathe now and let it go lol


Ping's dress was the worst. She should have been in the bottom 2 at least. Lucky for her Nina has a murderous rage in her heart for Jesus (that looks and sounds BAD, sorry.).
The thing of it is, I don't care! I like Ping and I hope she sticks around if only to watch Jonathan's pre-show assesment of her work. ENJOYABLE!


Ping should have gone home, or Jesus. My partner and I were SHOCKED when it was Pam! We were yelling WHAT THE F$&*! But Tom, you are right, the decisions are based on whatever the judges were smoking before the show.


But you know, I think the real problem is that the denim inspired dress looks like something Jennifer Lopez would have worn during her JLO years. You know? It's just to early to rehash the 2000's.


I think the judges made the right decision.

I'll take the ass that Ping showed us over the ass that Pam sent down the runway any day.


You're both right. Honestly, I have not been more surprised by the judging since Vincent in season 3 was allowed to stay so long!

Pamela's dress was tacky as hell but Ping sent a burlap bag and ass cheeks down the runway! Talk about rotflmao. And I knew, sick Project Runway puppy that I am, that between the 2 of them they would keep Ping. I can't wait to see what she does next.


The words "denim" and "dress" should never be put together,the only possible exception being a denim challenge. The leather laces and grommets (sweet Jesus . . .) just put the nail in the coffin.

I knew Pam was going to be an early Auf the minute I saw the way she dresses herself. Seems she's ALWAYS having a Chico's kind of day . . .


When they went to the trims/notions I immediately thought of using a lot of ribbon and don't recall Tim telling them (until the workroom) that ALL of the burlap had to show.

That's the kind of argument I expect to hear on Judge Judy from a defendant caught red-handed. The point of the challenge was to use burlap to make an attractive outfit, and to cover up an entire skirt is simply to not meet the brief. It was as though one of the main components of his look was made out of a different fabric altogether--completely different from the things Jonathan and Mila applied, where you could see how the base fabric was used.


Broolyn Bomber - you are right.

"As for why people are saying that, haven't you noticed by now that people say all kinds of shit?"


Arrrgggggg, I'm hacked off! Jesus is going to become the next Christopher and be kept way past his expiration point Yes, Pamela's model looked like Delta Dawn personified, but in my opinion, Jesus' was a tad bit crappier and he was on borrowed time. Why do the boys always seem to get the benefit of the doubt?
And it didn't help that Pamela kind of turned out to be sweetheart. Thanks, I feel better now. ~Gary


While Pam's dress was not flattering to the model, cliche and had taste issues, I though she was a sweet person and I'm sure the other designers will miss her positive attitude. She was also strong in technical skills and getting her designs completed in time. I found her seaming/pattern designing interesting. Her model has wider hips in comparison to her upper body so perhaps if she had balanced it somehow at the shouilders.., gotten rid of the back lacing and that weird seam detail in front as well as the odd thing to the right of her rear end (which only drew attention and made the skirt about 2-3 inches longer.... it might not have been so bad.

I really thought Jesus would be going, in fact I was surprised he was in. I thought his dress was bad as well. His silhouettes have been very generic and I have not been impressed by his embellishment. However, his technical skills seem impressive.

Ping... well, she admitted that she did not realize the ass exposure until the model walked the runway and was very embarrassed. She still has more interesting and original ideas than the other bottom two and I would be interested in seeing what she does. I agree with the judges on keeping her in. I would have liked to see this dress with the tights on (missed MOTR-- fell asleep). I don't know that Ping was being deceptive when speaking to the judges... I find it somewhat cynical of Heidi to bring that up and wonder at a bias. I will weigh in more when the post comes up about Ping.

Ultimately, none of these designers designed a dress to flatter or enhance their clients. They forget their goal is to make the women look fabulous and exciting.


Broolyn Bomber - you are right.

"As for why people are saying that, haven't you noticed by now that people say all kinds of shit?"

-=---
Ok mikey - insults. BUT, did TIM tell them that all the burlap had to show?

Did he give them a limit on the amount of trim?

Was not Jonathan's front largely covered in lace?

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In order to be judged that a design did not meet the challenge - you have to STATE the rules of the challenge, not "think them" and then punish someone who didn't READ YOUR MIND.

== TYVM


Pamela should not have gone home. While granted, her dress was a bit plain, the lacing on the back was interesting and even Michael Kors said he liked the way she dyed it to look like denim. And the model was styled well around the dress.

Ping's dress, however, UGH. Bad Ping! Bad Bad Ping!

In sum:

Don't Bore Nina
+ Producer Manipulation
+ Ping Is Kooky!
- Pamela Is Sweet
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Bye Bye, Pam


Ping wasn't auf'd for two reasons. (Well, outside of producer stuff/interesting television)

1- was that the judges themselves said "who do we want to see more from?" Ping has a point of view.

2-Lauren Hutton loves her some Ping.

And that's ok, because Ms. Hutton was a great, knowledgable judge. And was also smoking hot last night.


TED said "I think Ping and Jesus were spared because they're both far more interesting on the screen than Pamela is, and all three dresses were awful."

Too right TED.

Up close Pam's dress was dated, and well, trashy. Jesus, however, did not follow instructions for the challenge. Ping's point of view, for some unknown reason, overruled execution and taste. As "taste" seems to be a recurring theme with the judges, which is most tasteless? Big ass or ass hanging out?

Jesus might well be this season's Ricky - without the tears. Ping can do all the crying for the rest of the designers. Just about anything makes her cry. It's getting really annoying.

As for model Sarah - Your time is up. No designer will want to work with you after that give-away facial expression on the runway.


If Shania Twain or Jessica Simpson was the guest judge, Pam would have stayed.

I'm fine with her going. I hated the pink dress and this just sealed the deal for me.

I liked the clever burlap to denim finishing, but, as others stated, then she had to make a denim dress.

It would have been fine for an episode of American Chopper or LA Ink, or maybe for a Whitesnake concert or Monster Truck Rally, but not for the Runway.


I'm with you, Tom. Ping's was ridic and a half, but she obviously has a much stronger POV than Pamela, and has the potential to turn out some really interesting work. I actually kind of liked the silhouette on hers, minus the ass hanging out part.

Pamela's, on the other hand, not only looked tacky, but made her model look huge! I'm fat, I'm a fat acceptance person, but what size 2 girl wants to go to a party looking like a size 8?


ASK said...

Ok mikey - insults. BUT, did TIM tell them that all the burlap had to show?

Did he give them a limit on the amount of trim?


No, but he told Jesus that he was in trouble if he kept going in that direction. Jesus knew what he was doing and was warned that the judges were probably not going to like it.


seeing as how both of these designers bring the crazy, Pamela in the form of apparent belief in creationism, and ping in the form of.....well, plain crazy, I think this choice was more based on which designer would be more entertaining to keep around. It's too bad they had 2 colorful characters to choose from.

If they were going to base it on clothes, there's no question in my mind that they should have kept Pamela. As even they pointed out, her fabric was beautifully dyed, and the construction was well done (aside from her ass resembling the proverbial broad side of a barn, that is).

This choice was cracked out to me on the clothes, but I get it from a production standpoint.


Nah, son. Ping pong should've been shipped, shipped, shipped off to the Himalayas and open up a shop called, "Sherpa Sweet".

I'm surprised she didn't pull a Shatangi and talk about her model having a "big bootie."


I really expected Ping to go this week; what she made barely qualified as a dress and I never want to see another cup holder pleat in my life. But, I kind of see where the judges were coming from. Pamela's taste and style evokes this visceral reaction from me, just an immediate "NO, NO, NO, GET IT AWAY FROM ME!"

Her dress last week made me feel the same way. She seems to be a nice lady and a talented seamstress (lots of complicated seaming in there, even if it isn't flattering), but I can't stand her aesthetic. How could anyone think a denim tube dress with leather lacing was a good idea, ever? Ping better bring it next week though; I wouldn't give her another chance, adorable as she is.


Anon - 1:25 I do get your point - BUT, I think he did pull back and showed more burlap - although the way he did it on the skirt was to his detriment.

Secondly, but more importantly, it was too late to totally change direction (and to change the rules). Haven't we seen that in almost every case (esp in the last 2 seasons) that if a designer throws out there work and starts over that late they usually suffer and often are out.


I should probably look at the dresses again before commenting, but I'm going to throw caution to the wind and work (mostly) from my memory of the show last night.

The photos of Pam's dress today do show more of the flaws. I wasn't wow'ed last night, but I didn't think it was horrible. I think she got into trouble when she made the burlap look like denim. It looks like she wanted to follow the feel of the "faux material" and ended up making a denim sundress instead of something her model needed to wear to an industry party. There was nothing polished about it.

I might have let Jesus go based on his performance on the 2 shows, plus his working around the reason for the whole challenge: make a designer dress out of burlap. Everyone else seemed to understand that the burlap was to be the primary fabric.

Although the judges definitely needed to consider auf'ing Ping, I have to say I liked the idea of her dress. I don't know that it was really appropriate for an industry party, but I think the basic idea and shape were interesting.

It seems like the judges' criteria changes as the competition moves along. Perhaps in the beginning execution problems can be forgiven over lack of concept, but as things get tighter, the designers have to be able to show what they really want their garment to be.

I'm still not sure about the whole idea of whether or not the clothing has to be "pretty" and enhance the look of the wearer. Lord knows TLo has provided us with enough runway to see that it's not all about looking beautiful and having the clothing complement the models' figures, etc. Although Ping's booty vent got the attention, her dress really did not accentuate her model's figure. That could have been a second reason to send Ping home. (Don't get me wrong - I want her to stay - I like the Asian influence in her designs.)

I know fashion is subjective, but the judging is perplexing sometimes because they seem to contradict themselves.

I hope Tom is feeling better now that he is performing in a one-act play! Thanks for the show, guys.

Polly Glot


Oy "their work


They could have done a double elimination with both Ping and Pam going. Both dresses were awful.

Something tells me that no designer will want her after her brutal honesty with Pamela.


"Sewing Siren said: So why in the devil didn't she send it down the runway with the black tights, or at least panties !"




This was clearly a strategy on Ping's part. It is a well known fact that going pantyless always leads to career advancement and opportunity.

If Paris Hilton & Sharon Stone wore panties, no one would have ever heard of either of them (and mores the pity). And have you ever seen that painting of Washington crossing the Delaware? Not a visible panty line in sight.

When in doubt, it's panties on the ground. (Oh, and 'Don't bore Nina!')

--GothamTomato


I think I understand why they sent Ping back and aufed this. Ping was showing half the girl's ass in something which was unusual (if neither well-executed nor well-conceived), whereas Pamela committed the cardinal PRW sins of 1) making the model's ass look huge and 2) producing something we've seen for decades in stripmalls which 3) looked like something a low-rent prostitute might wear. ("Truckstop hooker" is the best description I've read of it. Massive kudos to you, gentlemen. Hope your play finds a producer soon.) High-end prostitutes are acceptable, flashing bits is acceptable, but turning one's model into a fat two-bit whore is not. That's fashion, PRW-style. It didn't hurt that Ping was fully-aware from the beginning of the judging of the faults in her design and said what needed to be improved, whereas Pamela appeared to be clueless as to what was wrong with her look.

I fully understand the outrage that Ping wasn't aufed for her look, but I understand why Pamela went instead. I just don't understand why the ass lampshade wasn't on the bottom two, rather than the bottom three. But that's for discussion on your Ping/Jesus post.

Pamela seemed like a really sweet person, though. I wish her well, and hope the Taste Fairy comes to visit her soon.


I knew Pam was going to be an early Auf the minute I saw the way she dresses herself. Seems she's ALWAYS having a Chico's kind of day . . .
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Ding ding ding! We have a winner! Pam is so very pretty (and at age 47 easily looks ten years younger) but her personal style is dated and not even remotely fashion forward.

Her dress was bad and deserved to be in the bottom three but she should not have been sent home last night. Baby Jesus should have gotten the auf last week and yet he lived to fight another day and to produce one more tacky, asstastic design. He should have gone. I'll wait for the Ping post to express my disgust with that clueless, manipulative moron. So Pam was robbed but I don't think she would have made it very far in any case so I guess I'm okay with her auffing. But Baby Jesus and Ping both need to hit the road very, very soon.


Although this dress was hideous in every way, shape and form, I didn't think she would go home because she did a good job dying the fabric (not sure why she would WANT the dress to look like denim but that's another story). Ping's dress was disgusting but I knew they would keep her because they (for some reason) find her interesting. I find her annoying. I really thought Jesus would go home because his dress looked like Mr. Hanky last week and this week he tried to cover up the burlap which ultimately failed.

Glad Jay won though. His dress was awesome. I would actually wear it KNOWING it's burlap.


In order to be judged that a design did not meet the challenge - you have to STATE the rules of the challenge, not "think them" and then punish someone who didn't READ YOUR MIND.

On that other show, do the scary twins have to say "You can't make your entire dress out of fabric you find in the trim room"?

For that matter, did Tim have to have this conversation with any of the other designers?

No. "You didn't say we had to..." are weasel words, plain and simple. They're spoken by people who want loopholes to excuse them from not having done what was expected of them.

The expectation was that Jesus would make burlap into something beautiful, and he instead used it as a liner for ribbons. Even if you dispute that it failed to meet the brief, it was unarguably unimaginative (especially given some of the amazing things that the others came up with), and unforgivable once he was explicitly warned that this was a poor idea.


Speaking as someone who grew up with NWPRCA guys in the neighborhood, let me say that real Rodeo Hooker dresses do not squash the girls flat! It's not just that Pamela's dress makes the model's ass look huge (note: lots of seaming in heavy fabric is how you build fullness into tailored garments) but she's simultaneously squashed things flat up top, leading to a synthesis of Rodeo Hooker and Dr. Seuss Matron: not a profile anyone less famed than Atelier Versace could sell.


"On that other show, do the scary twins have to say "You can't make your entire dress out of fabric you find in the trim room"?

For that matter, did Tim have to have this conversation with any of the other designers?"

1. this is not the other show - BUT I believe that the designers have used far more trim room fabric (as a %) than Jesus did.

2. you have repeatedly failed to acknowlege that Jonathan had nearly as much lace coverage as Jesus had ribbon coverage.

Therefore I am done "arguing" the point.

(Other than to say that I design systems for a living - and the specifications for an assignment are NOT loopholes.)


Isn't this the dress Jodie Foster wore in The Accused?


Poor Pamela!

At least her dress didn't look like Molly Ringwald going to an Amish Prom (aka Ping's dress)


"What kind of model basically lets the judges know she hates her dress? Talk about throwing a designer under the bus."

I'm so glad you boys brought this up. I was amazed that she was chosen for the next challenge after knifing her designer in the back. You want loyalty? You GIVE loyalty!

Truckstop gift shop? Perfect! This dress brought the dreaded "taste issue" comment from the judges. Always the kiss of death.

I don't know what to think about Ping. I loved her look in the first challenge, but her See-My-Butt dress was a disaster that she could have prevented.

Still, this was the right call IMHO.


God would not approve this outfit.


I think Pam, Ping and Jesus will all go home soon so it really doesn't matter who goes home each week. I would also much rather see what Ping designs and makes her model do next week from a pure entertainment standpoint. Love the way Brandeiss was so smug about being called out as a stronger model than Elizabeta by Ping--consider the source Brandeiss!


1988, omg, Pamela, you totally brought back 1988 with this nod to acidwash. Now if this challenge had been to make a dress for The Accused: The Musical this would have won.
She conjured ass last week and the judges came to their senses this week, so I'm just chalking this auf to attrition.


I think that Pam getting auf'd may be a direct result of what many of us bitched about last season - the judges being different each week.

This season, with the same judges, they had two weeks of Ms. Pam's look and decided that was sufficient. I can't blame them! I thought Pam was very lucky to not get auf'd last week with that peptobismol nightmare.

With Ping, they had some sense from last week of her vision and while this week's look was crack (literally!), she was aided by her performance last week.

Missy Pam, no such luck. Adios!

(and I believe I did say previously that I thought Ping would run into problems as soon as the nontraditional challenges began. this is case in point!)

srq


Okay, did not like Pam's dress, but was it the worst? What about the guy who covered up the whole sack? (reminds me of Kayne in the "Black and white challenge" when he only used white ribbon and was kicked off....eventhough they liked his dress).

Do we even have to talk about Ping?

Hate to see the local girl go....Does anyone know why she could not name Drexel U, where she teaches?

LLF


Pamela seemed like a lovely woman, but what was she thinking? She said something about the dying technique being a signature of hers; be that as it may, why would making sacking look like denim be a good thing for a cocktail dress challenge? It's just not as comfortable to wear, and still wouldn't achieve an edgy look or a luxurious look. It's just sort of pointless extra work.

Still, the model should have backed Pamela when Heidi asked what she thought. That's going to come back to bite her on the bubble butt.


"2. you have repeatedly failed to acknowlege that Jonathan had nearly as much lace coverage as Jesus had ribbon coverage."

I don't want to get involved this little imbroglio you two are having, but it's disingenuous to suggest that Jonathan didn't follow the challenge. There is a LOT of visible burlap on his dress. Further, even if you felt he used too much lace: lace is see-through. The effect is created by the play between lace and burlap. i.e. If the lace were over a different fabric the effect would be different.

This is not creating a burlap undergarment (as Tim put it) that you wallpaper in green ribbon.


Anon asked if this was the dress Jodie Foster wore in The Accused. Too Funny! I remember her shimmying in that dress. She was totally asking for it! (JUST KIDDING) ~Gary


I don't have cable, so yesterday I was obsessively refreshing MyLifetime to see the photos as soon as they put them up, and I winced when I saw the denim lace-up dress.

Pamela's vertical seams are beautifully done, and I give her props for making burlap look like denim, but I swear, I've seen umpteen million lace-up denim dresses in thrift stores. I wouldn't bat an eye if I saw a girl wearing it at a county fair concert in 1993, but for a fashion industry party now (or last year), it's sad. Also, the grommet strip running down the front looked cheap, paltry, and tacked-on, too, like a bad afterthought.

I found Ping's interestingly odd, at least--I didn't realize the ass-flashing until I read people's comments afterward. Yeah, that's bad, but I think Pamela earned the auf by showing a design aesthetic that was so dull and dated.


You guys are wacked!
I would buy the Pam's dress in a heartbeat,
Pam Anderson
(not really, just Gary again)


Last night as I watched, I voted tossup for a three-way tie with a strong inclination to aufing Hay-zoos. But I was fine with sending Pamela home. The fabric looked more blue-green on my screen when Tim was talking to her, so I thought it was going to be more attractive. She should have listened to Tim.

With Ping, you could see a hint of elements of interest, such as the trim on her top. It looked sort of Asian. And ass hanging out hasn't been a factor in a lot of PR shows: Wendy Pepper, Zulema, Santino.

The crucial question Heidi asked summed up the judges' decision: whose work would you like to see more of. And of the three, I would vote Ping.


Ping may not have potential, but she looks like she MIGHT have some. I think they think she's going to pull off something breathtaking and avant garde one of these days. Well, she's already done "breathtaking"; thank god that girl wasn't wearing thong underwear. I think they made the right choice, and I agree with Tom -- it was obvious that they were going to go with "weird, badly executed, maybe potential" over "well-sewn, boring, trashy". They always have.

I would have voted off Maya Luz myself.


Lila said: "I knew Pam was going to be an early Auf the minute I saw the way she dresses herself. Seems she's ALWAYS having a Chico's kind of day . . ."

Yes, exactly! Thought the same thing myself; how will she meet Nina's criteria for taste when hers is so pedestrian?


I side with Tom on this one. At least Ping's had some thought. Then again I thought Jesus had the worst look so go figure.


If ever there was a PR episode that screamed, "Auf TWO of them!", this was it.
All bets were off when both Ping's piece of crap and this piece of crap appeared on the runway.
Ping's personality saved her, Pamela's didn't.


Ping's was a disaster, but interesting. This dress was something you'd see at Charlotte Russe and then not buy. It's heinous. That strap running up the side is just too freaking TACKY.

Although honestly, I was expecting Jesus to be auf'd. And I wouldn't have been too sorry.


I am shocked to have to typed the words "Jesus should have gone".


but....Ping has a point of view and an interesting style. Pamela made an unfortunate but wearable dress out of burlap....


and Jesus failed.

Not the real Jesus. The one on this show.


And Pamela should have gone last week for that poor pink dress.


Ping's dress looked like a sheltered, unwordly Mennonite girl took her home-sewn burlap dress and tried to sex it up. If she had designed some burlap panties to go with it, the impudence of it might have won me over.
Pam's was K-Mart clearance rack, true, but Ping's was INSANE.


Did it ever occur to anyone that Pam's model has a big ass? I mean the back of that dress is hugging a curve! Pam's dress design last week was more A-line, that was the reason why the model's big bum didn't show.

Back that thing up girl!


you have repeatedly failed to acknowlege that Jonathan had nearly as much lace coverage as Jesus had ribbon coverage.

He did. It's not about percentage of surface area, it's about coverage of a major component. That skirt was essentially a different fabric. Jonathan and Mila made dresses that exposed burlap as the fundamental fabric from the neckline to the hem.

(Other than to say that I design systems for a living - and the specifications for an assignment are NOT loopholes.)

While I'll grant you that--this isn't exactly a new show. After 6 seasons it's pretty clear what the judges do and don't want to see in a nontraditional materials challenge. The other designers got that, and found ways to make their materials look good (or at least tried gamely). Jesus did not. He took an easy way out by covering the unattractive fabric up rather than make it look good as a skirt, and didn't change course when Tim warned him it was a dangerous plan.

These aren't secret requirements only exposed through mind reading. They're part of what should be the judgment of a professional. Based on what we've seen so far, I don't think Jesus is one.


I don't watch the show about the models... did they change the rules and the losing designer's model gets to stay?

I was bewildered as to why Pam's model would want to destroy her own chances of winning by being so down on the dress.


All three were problematic, but head to head from best to worst is Pamela, Jesus and Ping.

I won't go as far as to say that Ping has a great POV, she is watered down avant garde IMO. What I find unforgivable is that she poorly executed a very basic element of her design; had she screwed up something more complex, I would have found that much more palatable. Also, I don't think it is fair to Malvin to compare the two, because for the brief time that Malvin was on PR, he demonstrated that he can execute. Still Ping is the one that I and most others want to see more from and that is what saved her.

Pamela should not have gone home, but I am not losing too much sleep over her aufing since she was not destined to go the distance. Still I think she did an amazing job "denimizing" the burlap, and hopefully she will be remembered for that feat. Additionally, I thought the front of the outfit was well done. Now I am perplexed as to why she felt the need to anchor the laces in the back as opposed to just tying them. Also, by regular people's standards, the model is gorgeous and has a great body, but by fashion standards she has a big butt. I disagree with the judges, Pam's dress did not create her model's big butt, it accentuated it. If she had made this dress for a waifier model, the tackiness factor would still exist, but to a much lesser degree. Still Pamela is accountable for making an outfit that did not flatter her model.


I had the same conversation in my head! (there's nobody here to talk to like that...)

TACKY is right.

I kept hearing Nina (in my crowded head): Taste. less.

Kind of shocking because I didn't peg Pamela for the TACKY tag. Boring, maybe. Bitchy, definetly. But, not tacky.

Why make a burlap sack look like a crappy old jeans conversion?

At least Ping's wasn't tacky! Even with the ass.


Oh, Sister Mary Martha, I love you more than my glow-in-the-dark rosary beads.


Tom, I agree with you. And I'm almost always right so...there you have it.


Who knew Pamela was so generous and nice?

I hated both things she made, though.

I'll give her this, she said something I'll remember when she told the models that they "give the clothes life." I never would have guessed (before watching PR) how much difference a good model makes.


The cries for "producer manipulation" are tiresome... Don't agree with the judges, that's fine, that's fun, but admit that you disagree... Not everybody has to like what Nina likes, get over it. Particularly as it was pretty obvious last night that Nina and Michael were not being threatened with a pay check when they gladly dismissed Pamela and kept Ping...


I have to add, speaking of stealth and Pam's model, she was being quite the stealth bitch in MotR. She had one "Pam was good blah blah" remark and the rest were kind of underhanded insults.
I feel bad, I ended up liking Pam and wanted to see more from her. I like Ping, but I thought her look was hands down the worst. I think in my personal world, the loser (if Ping had to stay) would have been Jesus. Two bottom dresses in a row, neither of them that fashionable, this one barely made well or embracing/following the challenge.


Pamela certainly was a gracious loser, especially to her model who threw her under the bus.
I can only hope it comes back to bite her in her fat ass.
(nice pigtails btw at the industry party she was so concerned about).

I think it speaks volumes about Pamela as a person, and that I will miss.
How rare is it in reality television to come across someone like her?

I didn't care for either of her dresses but think she could have benefited with one more chance.

are these models aware that everyone watches this show, thus everyone sees your behavior?
wise up girls!


Gotham Tomato said...

"This was clearly a strategy on Ping's part. It is a well known fact that going pantyless always leads to career advancement and opportunity."

***********************************

GT:

After reading your comment, I almost completely lost it here at work.

Butt, I must agree with you hole-heartedly on this one. You speak the bare-naked truth.


edina


Yeah, I'm... not sure.

I thought Ping was going to go home at first because she did really screw up, interesting idea or not. But when it was down to Pam and Jesus, I thought, okay, well, Jesus's is tacky and he tried to bypass the actual assignment, while Pam at least tried to take her material and make it look interesting, even if the end result was a little... well, a little THAT.

But... I kinda sorta get the reasoning, I think, and I didn't really like Pam's first dress either, so.... dunno.


Tom and Lorenzo, you're presenting the wrong argument. It is not a question of Pam vs. Ping. The judges played their card when they said of Ping "but do we want to see more of her?"

No, the argument is between Pam and Jesus. Which dress is fuglier, more tasteless and less stylish. Which one at least followed the rules of the challenge?


Pamela threw her model under the bus by making that crummy "denim" dress for the model to wear to an "industry party". The model was counting on Pamela to help advance the model's career by simply making her look great, but instead, Pamela made her look like the spokesmodel for the American Association of Methamphetamine Producers and Distributors. The model had good reason to be upset and considering the circumstances, I think the model was pretty restrained in her reaction.


where is Lorenzo from?


I'm totally on your side, Tom! I get where the judges were coming from and I think it's okay that Pamela went home. Pamela's dress showed no sign of taste or appropriateness for the event and was unflattering. Given her evident technical ability, the judges can only assume that she's a crap designer.

Whereas Ping's dress was poorly executed and ill-conceived but at least showed that she is thinking creatively about fabric and design and the body. I want to see more of what she can do whereas I have no interest in seeing any more dresses made by Pamela.


Also I totally agree with the person who pointed out that the judges are always happy to overlook a tit-flash (Mila) and poorly fitted busts (Althea) and I can't quite see why Ping's dress was so much worse than that. Granted there were other issues too, but the skirt was something that is pretty easily sorted out.


Going out on a limb here and predicting that the producers already picked Ping to win the big teddy bear at the end.

And while Pamela's dress did nothing to minimize it, her model did have an outsized ass - for a model.


I can see where y'all are coming from when saying that Pamela's dress was not suited for the challenge. And it was too short and too tight- which is a question of both taste and execution.

But I still think it should have been the safest one of the bottom 3. She did a good job with the dye and lacing.

It should have been between Ping and Jesus- with Jesus remaining in as a very very very close call. I do not like Ping. Her dress was ugly, tasteless, and nasty.

I wonder if Jesus is the Mitchell Hall of this season.


Looking at all the designs on the same page (Thank you BPR) (although not is super close up):

Jesus, Anna and Jay - the tops of their dresses look extremely similar (from the front) - the shape is very similar


Jesus Mila and Jonathan - theirs are the same shape below the bust - the difference is the embelishment

And Mila's top is similar except more naked - I cannot tell what that silvery stuff is but it looks like a lot of it is not burlap.

(maya's is really ugly; it looks like she used a LOT of ribbon also. Not that I want to jump into that argument.)


It is not the judges, in the fashion world, which this people inhabit and which is what this show is purported to be about, a tit flashing is nothing short of everyday, hardly noticeable at all. A bottom coming out of a skirt in the unflattering way it came out of Ping's concoction, or a bottom made huge by a rag of denim tied up with leather strings, well, that's SIN...
-Don


anonymous 3:23 said I don't watch the show about the models... did they change the rules and the losing designer's model gets to stay?

It's never been the rule that the losing designer's model has to leave. It's common, because the designers tend not to want to change.

That's always struck me as odd, at least in the early challenges. Why stick with someone you were randomly assigned the first day if there are better models available to you?


Needs more Ping love. I don't care if she keeps turning out ass flaps, I just want to watch her forever and ever.

Anyway, I'm just surprised you're not arguing for Jesus's aufing.


I didn't think it was that bad. Call me tacky.


"Truck Stop dress!!!"



ROFL.


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