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On this episode of Divorce Court...


When it comes to reality show throw-downs, editing almost always plays a huge part in heightening the drama and taking sound bites from a 2 or 3-day period and making them sound like a rapid fire argument. With Epperson and Qristyl, 2 contestants who up till now had come across as quiet and friendly, respectively, the editing suddenly showed them to be pompous and defensive with each other.

Which isn't to say that there weren't clear personality conflicts going on; just that, as viewers to this rapid-edit bitchfight, we really can't say who was in the wrong here or who started it or who should have acted differently.

Certainly, the normally quiet, somewhat affable Epperson did come across as if he thought Qristyl needed to be told what to do.

And Qristyl, for her part, did come across a mite too defensive every time Epperson opened his mouth. Plus she never seemed to let him finish a sentence without jumping all over him.

One thing we will never understand about these types of conflicts is why one of them never says to the other "Look, I don't like you but I don't want to get sent home and neither do you. How about we shut up and finish this without the sniping?"

The ironic thing is that for all their bitching and scratching...

Model: Erica Milde

They had almost nothing to show for it. This is just okay. A basic sundress with some minor twists - and the twists didn't work out so well.

First off: titscrepancy. Heidi made a point to commend them on how well they fit the bust - and we would have thought that to be the one area where she had more knowledge than the other judges - but those boobs don't look so hot to us.

Second, that weird torso panel. Does it come off or not? Tim didn't like it when it was removable and she didn't take it off on the runway, but why does it still look like a separate piece? And why didn't the judges notice that?

Third, there's the balloon effect on the skirt. We no love.

We also no love those shoes, but that's a different story.

It's just a boring dress with a weird silhouette, wonky boobs, and a panel that either does or does not come off. Confusing. No one should have to think that much about something you could pick up at Dress Barn for 20 bucks.

Model: Matar Cohen

Avant garde: a⋅vant-garde /əˌvɑntˈgɑrd, əˌvænt-, ˌævɑnt-, ˌɑvɑnt-; Fr. avɑ̃ˈgard/
Pronunciation [uh-vahnt-gahrd, uh-vant-, av-ahnt-, ah-vahnt-; Fr. a-vahn-gard]
–noun
1. the advance group in any field, esp. in the visual, literary, or musical arts, whose works are characterized chiefly by unorthodox and experimental methods.

2. a shitty bathing suit with a curtain stapled to it.


What can we say? This was a disaster.

A poorly conceived, poorly executed, badly fitted poop-colored disaster that was about as avant garde as a fart.

In fact, it's a fart in clothing form.

Nina put it best and had the only reaction one could possibly have toward this:

"What IS this?"

We could go on and on about how "avant garde" is meaningless as a directive or style brief (and we probably will for the rest of the week) because it means different things to different people, but we can say with some assurance that NO ONE would consider this avant garde in any way, shape or form. There's nothing forward-thinking about this; nothing that challenges the audience in any way. It's a very basic garment, poorly executed, with a last-minute desperate addition of a big, incongruous poof.

In that sense, it was a perfect summation of their time together as a team.

We keep going back and forth, trying to find a person to blame here. Qristyl threw Epperson under the bus! But Epperson deserved it because he took over and treated her badly! But she should have asserted herself without being so defensive! But! But!

Oh, to hell with it. They both acted badly and it showed in the final product.

Extended judging:


[Photos: Mike Yarish/myLifetime.com - Video: myLifetime.com - Screencaps: Projectrungay.blogspot.com]



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115 comments:

Pompous is the only way to describe this situation.

Other than "fart in clothing form," of course.

Who the hell wants their ass checks separated and hanging out like that? No one.


Oh my GOODNESS, you boys make me laugh.

FYI... When I went to the extended judging, it showed Mitchell and Ra'mon, not Q and E.


I love you guys!

They lucked out when Mitchell was not booted off last week and had pissed off the judges this week.


If someone had to go home off of this team, I would have hoped it was Qriystal, qwiistal, twistal, twisted sister... whatever her name is. From her audition video through the first few shows, I find her annoying and full of herself, with nothing to back up her opinion.

I know we only get one edit, but she sure was defensive. Epperson is quiet, and he has real expertise on his resume. I am sure he has experience working with others and finishing projects well.

Play nicey you two.


Something got fixed by the time I commented. =)


WOW. Spot-on, guys.


The Scarlet O'Hara window collection did indeed look like she had the vapors.


" fart in clothing form" LOL - we thank you for that laugh!

Good god how they could make as beautiful a woman as Matar look so glumpy is beyond bad.


was it just me, or did it look like Qristyl did most of the work on the brown abomination? for that reason alone, she should go home.


On the extended judging video, Q is asked at least twice, if not 3 times who exactly made which pieces. She never answers, but goes off into a tangent about the bad partnership. It seemed she didn't want to lay claim to any particular piece of the work, which is a bit telling. But in the end, they both came off badly.

"fart in clothing form" - I love this blog.


TLo said: "2. a shitty bathing suit with a curtain stapled to it."

Yes, this just about sums it all up!

I was disappointed as I was hoping that Qristyl & Epperson would emerge well from this pairing....oh, man, that was so not the case. And you guys have nailed it so well, it really wasn't easy to see where exactly things went off the rails with this team.

I had hopes for both based on their biographies at the start of the season but thus far what we've seen from them separately has been messy - ugly colored draping messes from Qristyl and a nonsensical jumpsuit from Epperson that is as useless for a very pregnant woman as anything could be.

so, i figure either/both these two are gonna be gone, gone, gone in the not too distant future.

srq


I would wear the dress to any beach in Florida. For me, anything worn to the beach has to be cheap and disposable due suntan oil/sunscreen, spilled beer, spilled wine, cigarette burns, cocktail sauce...etc...etc. If you "live on the beach" every day or every weekend, I cannot imagine any "beach" garment lasting more than one season. Beach wear is not something I have ever invested much money in. If I could find this dress at Dress Barn or Forever 21 for $20.00 bucks, I would buy it.

TampaBay


Thank you for posting on a Sunday! Great recap and rip -- I love Team Bickerson. And "fart in clothing form." Like you, I don't understand why the designers don't try to come to an agreement to get shit done for the duration of the challenge. Because other wise, yeah, it's shit.

Thanks again for all the lovely posts you do!


"Avant garde:

1. the advance group in any field, esp. in the visual, literary, or musical arts, whose works are characterized chiefly by unorthodox and experimental methods.

2. a shitty bathing suit with a curtain stapled to it.
"

LMAO! Thanxs for the explanation of Avant Garde. this is a term that has been overused way too much! Please retire this word, its become cliche'.


2. a shitty bathing suit with a curtain stapled to it.

LMAO! Thanks, guys, for totally making my Sunday afternoon. I'm going to be laughing about that and "fart in clothing form" all day. And probably tomorrow.

But back to the Bickersons: Eeesh! I have my suspicions about why she picked him, but I'll leave that aside. But I will say her decision bit her in her not-plus-sexy ass. I really don't like her -- haven't since the show started. Another poster hit the nail on the head: She brags but doesn't have the chops to back it up. (And really, can we trust anyone who spells her name like that? What is she -- from another planet?)

That said, Epperson was a douche. I don't think he'd have been that condescending with one of the guys. Easy Sewer was Big Tool in this ep.

Thanks again for the giggle.

~lacey


Yeah, another set of meh.


"fart in clothing form"

ROFL.


Yeah...this was the worst team in my opinion. Boring sun dress made out of resort cushion fabric and ugly onesie bathing suit with a big fabric mess coming out of the top....yup


"Tlo said: Team Bickerson...
...that was about as avant garde as a fart."




You should know that the term 'fart' is highly insulting to the digestively impaired.

You boys should show a little sensitivity to Gaseous-Americans, who are not all the same, and not all from France, and toot with a great deal more skill and creativity than that shown by these designers (in fact I happen to know one who, after a few tacos, can play an anal Bohemian Rhapsody worthy of Carnegie Hall - or at least, the Carnegie Deli). So please show some respect for other cultures.

I come here for Serious Commentary and do not want my delicate sensibilities bruised by careless references that I am too stupid to understand.

--GothamTomato


Divorce court!

I love you boys. Thanks for the laugh.


"Tlo said: ...the editing suddenly showed them to be pompous and defensive with each other."



If this was Grey's Anatomy, they'd say it was sexual tension.

--GothamTomato


"On this episode of Divorce Court..."

Oh boys, first sentence and I'm LOL.


I actually like that first dress (with the caveat that I want that midsection to be sewn on). I like the balloon effect of the skirt; it's interesting and insectlike. The bodice was pretty basic, but the unusual skirt shape redeemed it, in my opinion, and I love the fabric choice. It would only work on a skinny skinny girl, but I think it's a nice piece.

The second, though... shudder. Heinous. Unforgivable. An ugly, ugly bathing suit with a big trailing piece of nothingness attached to the shoulder.

Like TLo, when I watched this episode, I thought, "They are ALL copying Christian and Chris" with the big shoulder poufs. This was a droopy Christian/Chris shoulder piece ripoff. For the contestants, avant garde will always have "3. an outfit primarily distinguished by an asymmetrical design with one shoulder sporting a large, fluffy added-on piece, popularized by early twenty-first century clothing designers Christian Siriano and Christopher March" as a definition.


"Fart in clothing form"!! Bwahahahaha, I love you guys.

I blame Q a bit more than Epperson, because she couldn't handle being the leader with a teammate who was so controlling. The way she reacted to him did nothing to help the situation.

I hated both their garments, but that fart-suit took the biscuit on fugliness.


2. a shitty bathing suit with a curtain stapled to it."

And that should be the official Project Rungay working definition of Avant Garde from now on.

Great post, TLo (do you ever get tired of hearing that?).


Gotham Tomato said: You should know that the term 'fart' is highly insulting to the digestively impaired.

You boys should show a little sensitivity to Gaseous-Americans, who are not all the same, and not all from France, and toot with a great deal more skill and creativity than that shown by these designers (in fact I happen to know one who, after a few tacos, can play an anal Bohemian Rhapsody worthy of Carnegie Hall - or at least, the Carnegie Deli). So please show some respect for other cultures.

I come here for Serious Commentary and do not want my delicate sensibilities bruised by careless references that I am too stupid to understand.


GT,

Thanks for adding & extending TLo's wicked brilliance! I'm so glad I wasn't drinking coffee while reading your response as it would be now covering my laptop screen.

TFF!!

srq


another laura

"Team Bickerson"; "a shitty bathing suit with a curtain stapled to it"; "in fact, it's a fart in clothing form"

You're in top form, guys!

Q's portfolio and her prior work on the show hasn't shown me that she has the skills to pull off projects that will carry her into the final group. Her first gown? it had color and was going for exuberant, but it was pretty badly executed. Her maternity look was ho-hum and hardly had a seam in it.

The more troubling aspect of this couple, from a PR show quality perspective, was how it portrayed Q. Yes, these two clearly didn't get along. I'm trying to tread carefully here, but I just really hope that the producers aren't trying to give Q the "sassy black woman" personality for the sake of the "Real World" aesthetic they seem to want. Because seriously, PR doesn't need these reality TV "personalities" to be a great show. Listen up, producers!!


The thing that got me, and made me sympathize a little more with Epperson, though he undoubtedly did not bathe himself in any glory, was that when they were on stage, Qristyl couldn't stop flapping her yap about how she had no say. But nothing in her demeanor, or what was shown, indicated a shrinking violet who would let someone, anyone, have more say.

Even when he was trying to defend himself on stage, she only let him say about three words and then jumped right in to sell him out.

I don't doubt he was difficult to work with, and can't unequivocally say who was worse in the situation, but I've worked with Qristyl's before and they're from hell.

They talk too much, are too defensive, never listen and when things go to pear-shaped thney spend more time figuring out how to blame you than work with you.


almost as bad as Blaine's model "pooping fabric" design from last year. these two will go soon,not alot of talent here, the boobs didn't fit, the skirt part made a skinny model look like she had huge hips, just bad all the way around..the bottom line is very little of them remotely did anything that looked surfer girl, that's why what's his face won, at least it looked "surfer girl" please don't tell me these LA challenges are going to all be lame like this. I miss things like the hershy candy store challenge already


Gotham said:
I come here for Serious Commentary and do not want my delicate sensibilities bruised by careless references that I am too stupid to understand.


Gotham, excuse me, but I've been reading this blog since day one and a half and I feel strongly that TLo would never intentionally insult the digestively impaired or anyone else. THEY WERE JOKING!! I happen to know that some of their best friends are Gaseous, and they keep plenty of appropriate over the counter drugs on hand to make sure those people are comfortable when visiting them at their homestead in the land of the CheeseSteak and the Hoagie. So, please, LIGHTEN UP!


Hmm, just because Epperson has been the quiet, cool cat that he's been portrayed as doesn't mean that he can't also be a control freak jerk. I didn't like the bickering at all from either of them. I think Miss Q should have just asserted herself with a Shatangy "Cut and cry" to get the job done effectively.

That being said, who cares that she spells her name with "Q"? That bugs so much. We don't know what's on her birth certificate.


Is is just me or does the model look "wide" in the abdomen thanks to the craptastic swimsuit? Making the skinny models look like a fat turd should be an automatic auf!

Spot-on eval, TLo!


TLo, thanks for the quick media-literacy lesson on how to read an edit.

Being of similar age working in a creative/technical medium, I hurt for both Q & E. What a godawful display. One of those incidents where "It's okay, it'll do" was a major victory.


This hair is doing Garnier no favors.

I agree with Tampa Bay totally on what is appropriate for the beach. Did the designers not actually look at the surfer girl models who "embodied" the surf culture? This sundress is close but still. Not really. Fabric horrible and not youthful at all. It looks like sunroom wallpaper in a retirement home. If the corset comes off, so should the skirt. No use for either in the sand. What were they thinking?

Q is really lucky that Heidi had had enough of Mitchell. I suspect Epperson knew from the workroom that Q's skills were weak so he jumped in to save his ass. I think Q's number may be up sooner rather than later.

ShelbyDee


The dress was nice in that blah way. But, like every other freakin' team, it wasn't in any way, shape or form 'surfwear'.

The bathing suit? Brown *and* boring (although those two traits are mutually exclusive as far as I'm concerned).

SpellCheQ would drive me crazy. She gives the the impression she's the type who, under pressure, can not 'think' aloud and, therefore, can't communicate with any team partner in a constructive way. She certainly never was shown an instance when she wasn't actually putting a point across. It was all snipe, snipe, talk over.

And Epperson didn't seem able (or have the time) to figure out how to get around this - especially when he was right; she didn't seem to have a concept and didn't seem willing to get any feedback or suggestions.

She was entirely all defense and, well, rude.

If there's another team challenge, I fully expect her to be the last one chosen.


The more I think about it the more it seems ridiculous to assign "avant garde" as if it's a style of clothing, like a skating outfit, a postal uniform, a prom dress. Avant garde is a sensibility, not a kind of outfit. It's like poor Malvin calling himself a conceptual designer. No. You design according to your vision, your sensibilities, and leave it to others to say the results are conceptual or avant garde.


"Fart in clothing form"!! TLo, this belongs in the TLo Hall of Fame of screen caps!!!! Priceless!

You know, I really, really wanted to love Epperson and SpellcheQ at the beginning. I liked his seemingly laid back style, and her beautiful smile and fun personality. What they turned into in this last episode was anything but what I thought they were. Bickersons indeed, I'm totally disappointed in them both. Here's hoping they redeem themselves.
As for those two designs, blech.


This is the one instance that I was grateful for Mitchell, because Qristyl would've been long gone.

Not saying that this is inevitable, but I think alot of her doubt and insecurities just reared its ugly head. Epp didn't know how to deal with it except to try and pull a "cry and cut". But Qristyl ain't Kara Janx, and you're not pulling that shit with her.

Honestly, they were both in the wrong, but I'm glad they got to stay.

Still, I hate the black on black...it just ain't right.


"Brooklyn Bomber said: So, please, LIGHTEN UP!"




I do not think that tone-ism has any place in this discussion or in this society.

Furthermore, the mocking levity displayed here is also completely inappropriate given the dire circumstances of the poor model who, I believe, is now being represented by Petw (People for the Ethical Treatment of Wedgies) in her lawsuit against the Weinstein Company.

Have a little respect.

--GothamTomato


And what about that Garnier Frut-is dude?

Alot nicer to look at than the Syfu.


Fuck the avant garde shit, man.

Just make some fuckin' clothes, already.


Ugh
what a terrible pair
I'm tired of Qristyl and hope she goes home soon
they are so lucky Mitchell told the judges he didn't do any work


Gotham -

"Tone-ism"

I give up -- you win!
xo, BB


I like how Heidi's short, tight and shiny vs. Q's long, flowy and shiny.

Qristyl just maybe Heidi's Serena to her Samantha Stephens.


So far, I am totally unimpressed with Qrystil. She's got lots of attitude and nothing to back it up. Frankly, I don't want to buy clothing designed by a woman who chooses to wear a bad, shiny bridesmaid dress on national television. Rather than Plus Sexy, I suspect she'll be giving us some more Lane Bryant and Dress Barn.


Man, I had to fast-forward through most of their appearances. Too uncomfortable! Plus, I question their taste levels.

Thanks for detailing it, so I didn't have to.

Am I crazy for kind of liking that cicada*-shaped bottom half of the dress?

* or some other winged insect.


Gotham Tomato + Brooklyn Bomber = hilarity.

Big sloppy kisses!


I, for one, am really starting to take offense to all of the cheap shots at Dress Barn.

You know you bought your last gin-stained walk of shame dresses there, so quit frontin'.


The editing was peculiar,unless they had the exact same agrument several times.

I thought the leaf dress was pretty cool looking I think it had a bathing suit under it as well. It's a shame they didn't show it. I like the skirt shape (kind of a modified peg) echoing the leaf pattern.
Oh the Avant garde look is a disaster. I don't have a clue what they were going for.


Hate to say it, but I suspect Qristyl's the big problem. There's a taste and fit issue with her--not a huge deal when you're doing plus-sized where you don't do body-hugging clothing--but this challenge pretty much demanded something fit closely.

We know Epperson did most of the green bodice and we know he's able to fit a jumpsuit (remember the jumpsuit and top did fit). There's no indication from her PR work or her portfolio that Qristyl has mad tailoring skills and we know from the earlier challenges she has a weakness for shiny fabrics. I'd say that bathing suit disaster was her baby and she cut the fabric pieces too small.

Wish Tim still had a blog--we'd have a better sense of who did what.


And, jeez, how do you spell that chick's name?


Anonymous said...
I, for one, am really starting to take offense to all of the cheap shots at Dress Barn.


People here need to stop trying to make everything about them and stop taking offense to everything. This is really getting old.


Bwahahahaha! That photo you show of Epperson holding his temples makes it look like he's on the cover of Marie Claire magazine!

The clothes? The green/white dress was somewhat cute, but I didn't like the print. Too Jimmy Buffett Concert Goer for me. The other was blechy.


I feel like that first look had a lot of potential, but missed the mark. I actually think the fabric was moving more towards a surfer/tropical feel, but if you squint and cock your head and half zone out, it could maybe possibly be cute, sort of. Moving in the right direction, anyway.

No amount of squinting, headcocking, zoning out, or cracksmokery could save that "avant-garde" look, though.


about as avant garde as a fart.


Thank you very much Mr. T and Mr. Lo. I just know this little phrase is going to pop into my head the next time somebody farts in the yoga class. You know you're supposed to ingore that stuff.
And goddamnit you too Gotham Tomato with the Tone-ism. Jees I am going to be a pariah.


The avant garde look appears to be a retread of the the last avant garde look from season 5.

Remember Blayne's look from the Zodiac challenge? Tight and form fitting torso piece, with fabric flatuence all over one side? Aside from being a color palette negative, this is almost a mirror image.

That look got him kicked off. It probably would've here too, had Mitchell not done anything. Be grateful you plus-sexy beeoch, the no-swing strikeout saved your ass!


This was the Team from Hell. Heidi was right, Qristyl had NO leadership skills. She could not listen, any offer of advice was taken as condescending as from a teacher to a student. Any attempt to resolve problems/issues was met with I've said all I am going to say (and implicitly hear).
Could Epperson handle things better ? Yes. Would it have helped ? No. Once her hackles were up, it was all over. Qristyl was the leader ie. all ideas come from her or have to be approved by her - there is no collaboration, there is no mixing of ideas - it's her idea or his. In her world, there is no learning or sharing - there is no constructive criticism - all criticism is perceived as negative.
The outfits showed the lack of teamwork and the bathing suit showed what Q could do on her own. The taste level was totally absent, the color choice was abysmal, the styling (if you want to call it that) was nonexistent (see the "buttons" in front of the swimsuit), and that doesn't include the curtain.
Team Bickerson won't go much further as separates either.


Qristal seems to be sewing for the bargain basement, Epperson seems to be concerned with overwrought draping, and I'd bet he was responsible for the dressass.

Who WAS in charge of the terror suit? Lucky for them Mitchell was a mess....!


"it's a fart in clothing form"

Hahahahahahahahaha! Snort!
I am crying I'm laughing so hard from your descriptions of the avante garde look. Thank you!!!


The thing about E and Q is the editing was so rubbish I had no idea who did what or anything, but by the end of the ep I didn't care - Epperson was such a mansplainer he has to go.


This reminds me of the Ricky-Vitcriayayaya challenge and the commetaria after the episode about Ricky's lack of or not lack of leadership abilities.

At least in *that* situation, he actually had genuine beefs (she changed the construction of a garment and didn't even think to tell him until he asked her).

This? Nah. SpellcheQ just didn't seem to have any genuine *reason* to get all snitty with Epperson. She just... was.

And she never seemed to take the reigns and say, "look, let's just take 10 minutes out, go to a table, look over the sketches and get a clear picture of what these two outfits will look like." That's all she would have had to do to show some leadership. If Epperson bombed that or continued to call her out on stuff afterwards, he's in the shithouse.

But it didn't happen so *of course* she would have and should have been the one tossed and throwing Epperson under the fleet of buses... yeah... nail in coffin on that one.

*That* was the most uncomfortable segment amongst the bottom teams.

Oi.


Team Bickerson was, indeed, uncomfortable to watch. As you point out, TLo, we only saw the edited version but if I had to choose the primary culprit, I'd pick Qriystal. She said that Epperson didn't think anything she picked or did was good enough. He was probably right. She has taste issues and her sewing skills aren't great either.

The first outfit wasn't bad at all. I liked the fabric and the boob fit wasn't perfect but it wasn't bad. The fartastic AG look was an epic fail. If they traded Ra'mon for the poop-colored fabric, that move alone should have given Ra'mon the win. Way to offload an unfortunate fabric selection. And I love how in the third photo, the model looks like she actually is pooing fabric. As if she had some really bad sushi the night before. Unbelievably bad outfit. They both owe Bitchell a huge debt of thanks for being such a total slacker because otherwise one of them would have been gone, probably Q.


I must admit to one and all that I really like Epperson. I am ardent lover of silk charmeuse and think designing in silk is Epperson's forte. I would have no problem throwing a big bag of money at this guy and telling him to custom design for me anything he wanted to design in silk charmeuse.

I really liked Epperson's silk jumpsuit for a non-maternity customer. As a matter of fact I could see any of those sexy athletic California beach surf muse girls in Epperson's jumpsuit if it was made of washable hang to dry silk.

TampaBay


Yeah, the Bickersons just made me sad. I want to like both of them, and it really looked like they were both being poopy. Or farty.

One other point though, Glammy said: There's a taste and fit issue with her--not a huge deal when you're doing plus-sized where you don't do body-hugging clothing

I totally agree that Q has taste & fit issues, but it's not necessarily due to her plus-size background.

I only saw a little of her pre-show portfolio, and as a plus-size person, I REALLY didn't like it because it was all that poly-spandex crap, with too much draping and too little shape.

Well dressed plus-sized women wear fitted and structured clothing to avoid looking like blobs. You can't drape yourself in stretchy-shiny tents (or Robert Best's attempt in PR3). The days of caftans are long past.


I couldn't understand why Qristyl kept asserting that she was the leader as if she was the leader due to some challenge that judged her to be superior in some way. You were chosen out of a bag, honey. You aren't the leader because anything you did was better. Whether or not Epperson was a patronizing jerk or not is another issue altogether.


The palm frond print dress had potential - I kind of liked it. And I'm going way out on a limb to say that the swimsuit could have been really cute if executed properly - i.e., if the model's ass wasn't hanging out. It had a real vintage vibe. I love those
40's era swimsuits and this was reminiscent of those styles. But of course there's nothing avant garde about that and the fabric pooh pushed the look into the disaster zone. Still, I liked both of these better than what Ramon came up with.

Q has always struck me as one of the weakest designers. There are issues of taste and skill. She should be gone soon. E has skills and has come up with some interesting things that haven't quite jelled. The jury's still out on him but he's got to step it up real soon or he should follow Q out the door.


i dunno... i didn't think the horrible bathing suit thing was all THAT terrible. yes it was pretty bad and yes her rear end was all over the place, but the front of it kind of looked like something a mature woman might wear. it didn't fit and the curtain attachment was sort of a "oh crap, our look isn't avant garde at all, maybe this will fix it," but you could definitely see some of epperson's style in the front bit.

i have no idea... but qrystal really looked to be the weaker of these two.


Rosie's Girl

Annony said, "Thanxs for the explanation of Avant Garde. this is a term that has been overused way too much! Please retire this word, its become cliche'.

Clearly avant garde no longer is - avant garde that is.

Just like the term "Team" when used to describe Q and Epperson this week. Pushing each others buttons much?


Poor Matar. That bathing suit/fart in clothing form was absolutely ridiculous, I felt horrible for her having to wear it. I have to wonder if someone told the hair stylist to make her hair as big as possible to draw eyes away from the crap she was wearing.


Shouldn't it be "BiQerson"?


You know, I think to blame one or the other for personality conflicts isn't right. I think they both have difficult personalities and they both have taste issues as well. I did not appreciate either one's behavior on that episode. Q struck me as overly sensative and E struck me as a borderline sexist jack ass. Look at how Ramon delt with Mitchell --- MUCH MORE GRACEFUL! now that's someone I can respect the way they act. -- tomek


I don't think there has been a true Avant Garde outfit in the entier history of the show.

chris/Christian's comes the closest IMO, but only because of the high shoulder poof. Without it, it's a basic Alexander McQueen romantic 2006 formal gown.

WTH happened to my Epperson? I love his portfolio, and he's been low key. I wonder if there was just something about Qristal that set him off. No excuse, but.... And why no comment about how the first model stood at the end of the runway? You'd think she was on strings. (BTW, I thought the bodice fit fine - no titscrepancy. I think it was the movement of the model as she walked.)


Glammy
9/6/09 3:29 PM Hate to say it, but I suspect Qristyl's the big problem. There's a taste and fit issue with her--not a huge deal when you're doing plus-sized where you don't do body-hugging clothing--


Absolutely. Because the last thing plus-sized women have is TASTE, or desire anything that can fit.

As a matter of fact, why should they even be allowed to live?


Interesting that in MOTR we see Heidi asking the models what they think of their designers.

Did she always do that? Is that fair to the designers?

Doesn't seem fair to the models, either. They want Heidi to respect them, so feel pressure to speak truthfully, yet that may contribute to their designer -- and themselves -- getting aufed in the future!


Thanks, Tui (4:47 PM) for the link to the article. I am not Qristyl's biggest design fan, but I FELT her frustration while watching Ep talk AT her. Truth be told my panties would have been in a defensive bunch, too!

And, another laura (1:31 PM), I too am hoping the PTB aren't skewing it towards the "sassy" angle, either.


FashionFanatic said...
Anonymous said...
I, for one, am really starting to take offense to all of the cheap shots at Dress Barn.

People here need to stop trying to make everything about them and stop taking offense to everything. This is really getting old.

9/6/09 3:34 PM



Just admit you got a dress from there are let it go.


The green dress was actually cute and did meet the "beachy" criteria perfectly. What does it matter if the middle comes off, anyway. But Epperson seemed to be fighting Spellcheck to get that sexy bodice. And I'm not sure that the slight asymmetry is due to unevenness of the boob parts; from the model's back view, it looks like the strap on the model's right side was longer than the strap on the left side.

The brown swimsuit was a non-starter. It's total fug. I think the reason that Spellcheck was so reluctant to say who did what is that she primarily worked on this garment.

I get the feeling that Qristyl's garments depend on choice of fabric rather than unique styling. That won't cut it here very long. She doesn't seem to be living up to her promise.


Great title and commentary. I will wait for the re-run but I swear they said "resort wear" was one of the options and I thought the Bickersons' first look - despite its flaws - actually was one of the better looks in terms of capturing the flavor of the challenge. It was the second look that was so offensive. I think it was pretty close to a tie for worst AG look between Team Russia and the Bickersons. Both were exceedingly tasteless. As noted, it was very difficult to tell who was most at fault. Qristyl wasn't much of a leader but it also appeared that Epperson refused to follow her attempted lead (perhaps for the better, who knows). I really liked Epperson up to this point but whether it was due to the editing or whatever, I thought he came across as a bit of a misogynist.


Shouldn't it be "BiQerson"?

Hahahaha! Hilarious!


Maybe this has been mentioned somewhere else, but does anyone else think Epperson looks like Tim Reid in a Bobby McFerrin costume?


Too much tootie on the bathing suit.


Off topic:

The Sound of Music is on ABC Family, Bitches!!!


And it can be enjoyed 1000000000x times over if you ever caught TLo's Musical Monday review of it!


Did the designers not actually look at the surfer girl models who "embodied" the surf culture?

It's funny you should mention that, because I was looking at the still of the surfer chicks in the last post and thinking, actually, that the designers pretty much made things that were directly inspired by what those women were wearing. The colour choices perhaps not so much, but the styles of the regular outfits seemed derived from what they saw. However, I seem to be in a minority with that view.


I have to say I'm kind of disappointed in these two. I really thought they would have been a better pair. They both seemed to be quite personable and mature, and they're both from NY so they have a sense of the fashion scene here. I thought it would have been a great match. I was honestly rooting for Epperson from the start, being that we're both in the same age group and I know what it feels like to want to make a midlife career change to see what could have been. I wanted the "old dude" to go far, if not all the way. I didn't like seeing either of them behaving the way they did, not to mention the poor showing on the runway. What a shame.


HeidiB
9/6/09 2:01 PM
Is is just me or does the model look "wide" in the abdomen thanks to the craptastic swimsuit? Making the skinny models look like a fat turd should be an automatic auf!
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I'm with you. My pooch is hard earned through too much beer and biryani. Shame on designers who give one to some gal who lives on baked, skinless chicken breasts and sprouts.


Thanks, Tui@4:57pm, for the link. Great article, but I don't think this is a "mansplainer" situation. I think it is two mature professionals with radically different esthetics, who did not take 15 minutes to talk and sketch and work out how E's structuralism would mesh with Q's intuitive drape-&-dash. A "mansplainer," as described in the linked article, is someone who does NOT know what he's talking about but figures he is right because the other person in the conversation is female.


Epperson came across to me as pretty condescending. Q got defensive, then it was downhill from there.

(another suz)


I was hoping to like Qrystal because she seemed to be a lot of fun. Seeing her last couple of products I do question her taste. Her fabric choices look cheap. I think Epperson was right but very undiplomatic.


I don't think Epperson is as good-looking as Tim Reid. To me, he is a cross between Bobby McFerrin and Whoopi Goldberg (forehead, dreads).

They made poor Matar look "zaftig", didn't they?

I think the first design could have worked well if they HAD deleted the corset and had the model remove the skirt to show the bottom of the suit. I don't think the fabric was representative of surfers, however. I question Epperson's choice of fabrics for the second design: not only were they ugly, they had no relationship to the first look.

I have supervised numerous older guys who are used to being in charge and know what they're doing. You have to treat them with respect and also never doubt that you are the leader. Then the controlling stuff doesn't bother you, and they give it up eventually. But doing that takes self-confidence and leadership skills.

I agree with a commenter above who said that he/she thought that the designers followed the surfer look pretty closely with their first design. Look at the girls they met with on the beach. The designers missed badly on fabric choice, in most cases. And I think surfer clothes are by nature sporty, basic designs. But they really went wrong on the avant garde designs, possibly because it is NOT a category of clothing but a descriptive word, like "edgy" or "feminine."


I'm getting the vibe from the Lifetime version so far that this season is about three things:

1. Fashion
2. Personalities (and resulting drama)
3. Product Placement.

As it always has been, but on the Bravo version, it was in the above order, and on Lifetime, it's the reverse. Fashion comes last. Dead last. By a wide margin.

The Garnier Frucktish element this episode was embarassingly blatant and ultimately irrelevant to the outcome. To push product placement to that obvious level, it must be the top priority.

Then the "Personalities/Drama" element will be tweaked by crazy editing to create even more drama. I'm all in favor of drama, but the edit is SO heavy-handed the drama is contrived.

HOWEVER: Just from the segments of bickering I witnessed, I saw "mansplaining" (thanks for that term!) to the point that I was rooting for SpellcheQ even if I hated her work. I'm a pretty self-assured woman, and if I had Epperson constantly, and condescendingly, teaching this granny how to suck eggs, I'd shut him down hard and fast. If Spellcheq is defensive and lacking people skills (which I suspect), she naturally was offended, but didn't know how to deal with him except to bicker back from the get go. I'm amazed she didn't attack him with the pinking shears. He could not stop talking to her as if she were three years old. I don't care if SpellcheQ never held a needle in her life, he was disrespectful to the team leader. If he really was as wise as he was pretending to be, HE would have tried to sit down for a talk-through without making her feel so insignificant. Instead, he undermined her confidence to the point that no teamwork was possible.

And oh, the fashion, an afterthought here as on the show: Look 1: Dress Barn, but a not bad Dress Barn for the right figure at a casual beach party. I didn't hate it.
Look 2: I cannot improve on your description, guys ... a fabric fart.

Hoping for better things soon.


Does anyone know where I can pick up the new TLo Unabridged American Dictionary?


I'm retired so I have time to wade through all the badly organized video and such at Lifetime.

Epperson, in his video blog, shows a bit more ego than the laid back label his hair has gotten him here. I'd say it's probably not over inflated - he has had accomplishments like a red carpet dress and displays at NYC's fashion scenes. So he thinks well of himself.

Qristyl was worried about being on the chopping block since she was team leader; all the designers chosen as leader felt that they would be the ones to go if their team landed in the bottom.

So reading between the lines, Epperson was somewhat condescending and Qristyl was overly defensive. Qristyl said she apologized to Epperson, so I would say she felt in the wrong. As the leader it was up to her to make the team work.

I have sympathy for Q though - we've all been there with a man talking down to us because we are females and it's pretty easy to get your back up when a guy comes across that way.


No no no.
On video, the bra cup for that first dress didn't look bad at all.
In fact, I thought and agreed with Heidi that it was extremely well constructed.
I think this freeze frame moment just did not do the dress any justice at all.
I don't blame the sewer in this case.


fragileindustries said...
HOWEVER: Just from the segments of bickering I witnessed, I saw "mansplaining" (thanks for that term!) to the point that I was rooting for SpellcheQ even if I hated her work. I'm a pretty self-assured woman, and if I had Epperson constantly, and condescendingly, teaching this granny how to suck eggs, I'd shut him down hard and fast. If Spellcheq is defensive and lacking people skills (which I suspect), she naturally was offended, but didn't know how to deal with him except to bicker back from the get go. I'm amazed she didn't attack him with the pinking shears. He could not stop talking to her as if she were three years old. I don't care if SpellcheQ never held a needle in her life, he was disrespectful to the team leader. If he really was as wise as he was pretending to be, HE would have tried to sit down for a talk-through without making her feel so insignificant. Instead, he undermined her confidence to the point that no teamwork was possible.


I respectfully disagree. I don't remember him being condescending. I remember him trying to get a point across and she just completely shut him down. Was the point a good one? Probably. But, really, who knows because she completely shut him down in almost every single instance we saw of the two of them together. Hell, if I was in his position, talking to a leader who absolutely won't lead or actually communicate, I'd be reduced to monosyllabic words, too. *Anything* to be quick enough to try to get a point in before the Big Shut Down.

But he tried to at least bring points and suggestions up even though he's not the leader and, therefore, his ass isn't on the line as much as the leader.

And it's not his responsibility to be the one figuring out group dynamics. He wasn't going to get any brownie points from the judges for figuring out how to be a good doormat. She's the leader, she says she's the leader, she should take the lead. I didn't see any leading at all.

And when asked to describe the team dynamics a good leader would be able convey the challenge of working in a team, not throw the one and only person under their leadership under a fleet of buses. Man, she could not whine enough about him.

If a subordinate can even 'undermine her confidence' by simply trying to communicate, that alone means she doesn't have enough leadership qualities.

And I still hate the bathing suit... .


Things I learned from Episode 3, Season 6 of Project Runway:

1. Brown is a beachy color!

2. Max Azaria is really nice!

3. The Garnier hair room is nothing like the TreSemme hair room.

4. Avant Garde means ruffles.

5. Qristal found a way to make her half-starved models "plus sexy!"


Tim Gunn is going to be in a comic book called, "Loaded Gunn". How funny!

http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2009-09-04-tim-gunn_N.htm?csp=34


"Shouldn't it be "BiQerson"?"

Ok, I was cackling at TLo's comments on that hideous bathing suit, but I am guffawing now. Good one, Anon!!

I think my grandmother had that brown suit sometime in 1970....


godDAMN but that suit is unflattering. All I see is lotsa hip and no ribcage or shoulder. and pooch. Women have that and that's no issue, but why call attention to it in that fabric?


tripletmom96

"NO ONE would consider this avant garde in any way, shape or form" - actually it looks like a very bad interpretation of a 40's bathing suit -- nothing avant garde at all...also, it makes the model's ass and upper thighs look HUGE --- so one can only imagine what it would do to a normal sized woman! i'm so disappointed in qrystal -- at first i thought i was really going to want to root for her -- now she just annoys me and i'm so not impressed with her work. i agree that epperson probably figured he needed to control the construction of the top since her skills are apparently lacking, despite her very loud arguments to the contrary... epperson is also disappointing me but more because i don't think the designs he has put forth live up to my expectations. we'll have to see how they each fare in the coming weeks...


What's wrong with Dress Barn?
What is "mansplaining" ?
Why does Epperson's hairline sit halfway back on his head?
What kinda cheap satin blue shit was Qrystal wearing at judging?
What does it mean when my piss looks like strawberry Quik milk?


FashionFanatic
9/6/09 3:34 PM Anonymous said...
I, for one, am really starting to take offense to all of the cheap shots at Dress Barn.

People here need to stop trying to make everything about them and stop taking offense to everything. This is really getting old.


FF I have to "humbly" disagree a bit. Because the way some people "act" here is sometime just like the contestants. They make insulting inaccurate comments and then when some one defends the object of the insult, they are told to get over it and it is getting old, or it was just a joke. A little golden rule would be nice.

My initial reaction to the comment that some of the comments about LB are by people who've obviously not shopped there. Can I please point out that there is/was a Catalogue LB that is NOT the same as the STORE LB? Because the store is NOT the place to find the kind of clothes Q has made (or in her portfolio). Some may be found at Ashley Stewart or Dress Barn, but they are not typical of what I've seen in a LB store.

Not defensive - just trying to defend one of the few options larger women have. TY


Dress Barn doesn't generally stock "fashion forward" items that you'd see on a runway. No insult there.

I actually thought that the first commenter "defending" Dress Barn was joking, what with that "gin-soaked" comment and all.

I can't speak for Lane Bryant, but I would think that the same holds true for them.


Being from Australia where there's beach and surf fashion everywhere, I find it a real eye-opener that these designers have no idea what to do!

That said, that's no excuse for poor team work. There's a lot of money and opportunities at stake here, and you'd think they'd rather work towards that than bicker!


EJ on 9/6/09 at 9:45 PM said..."I was hoping to like Qrystal because she seemed to be a lot of fun."


I am sure Qrystal IS a lot of fun but at times she reminds me of my mother. My mother was a load of fun but in her career always had a large staff and treated everyone like they were part of her staff whether they worked for her or not.

Q seems to me the type of person who has a staff at her design company. This staff knows what she wants without direct clear communication because they have worked for her over time. Epperson seems like a loner to me when it comes to the design and execution process. He reminds me of Engineer I worked with who was locked in a room with unlimited coffee and high priced donuts and told he had 24 hours to complete the stormwater/sewer calculations and then he could get lost for four days with full pay.

IMO The funny thing is that neither Q nor Epperson seem to me to really like women. Fashion yes, but women no. Also, they did not to seem to have any mutual respect for each other.

The best partnership ever was SissyBear and PPS. I think this is because they both loved women, loved fashion and had enormous respect for each others talents. When you think about it, they had no team leader in the work process. They worked together.

TampaBay


While I think that Q behaved abominably on the runway, to me Epperson "started it," back when they were on the beach and Q was speaking with the surfer chick, and he cuts off the conversation by dismissing the idea being discussed which was rude to both Q and the surfer chick. I think he continued to undermine and insult her back in the workroom; the problem is that Q handled it poorly and seemed to be more comfortable and invested in being in a dramatic situation with Epperson than just nipping the conflict in the bud and then moving on to design and construct clothes. It was interesting to see the camera jumps to the different groups and to witness Ramon's word choice and tone when he spoke to Mitchell about a matter that he disgreed with versus how Epperson spoke to Crystal with a Q. I really wished that Q would have dealt differently with Epperson's disdain, although when I play it out in my mind, I am not sure that if they got along better that we would have seen something marvelous on the runway, better constructed perhaps, but not better designed.

I have to rewatch the episode, but it seemed to me that the brown swimsuit was more Epperson than Q's.


I actually thought that the first commenter "defending" Dress Barn was joking, what with that "gin-soaked" comment and all.

Oh good. I'm glad I'm not the only one who took that comment as a joke and actually chuckled out load when I read it. So, only T-Lo get to be bitches and our fellow commenters can't? What fun is that?

Anyway, Dress Barn, H&M, Target, Old Navy, et al: Somewhat fashionable/sometimes trendy RTW clothing that's easy on the pocketbook and good for one season. Nothing wrong with that. Most of my summer wardrobe comes from Target for that reason. I wear the hell out of it and then toss in the garbage or donate pile come autumn. However it's not something I want to see on Project Runway unless the challenge is to design budget Ready To Wear, like the SJP challenge two seasons ago.

Topic: I was on vacation and missed this episode. It looks like a I missed a doozey!


Yeah, the portrayal of this team was as inexplicable as the clothing.

Either we got startlingly unexpected insight into the character of heretofore unassuming and focused contestants, or a way whacked editing job.

Inexplicable.


formerlyAnon on 9/7/09 at 10:36 AM said....Either we got startlingly unexpected insight into the character of heretofore unassuming and focused contestants, or a way whacked editing job.


I think we got a mega dose of both!

TampaBay


LOL - fart clothing!

I thought the same thing about the bust, glad I'm not alone. It doesn't fit great, Heidi, it's way too small!


I dunno. I liked the back of the skirt personally. It was a better idea than those way too long pants of the Feather King's. I can't imagine walking thru sand in those.

The editing made it too difficult to tell who exactly (if not both) was too blame in the relationship but as I said in another post, but I think both will at any rate be gone soon.


bitchybitchybitchy

"2. A shitty bathing suit with a curtain stapled to it"

What a perfection description of Epp and Q's 'avant garde' look.

These two really did not play well together, and it certainly showed in that second look.

After 3 shows neither of these two looks like they will be around for the finale.


Epperson talked down to Q. I don't blame her for not taking his crap.
Guess he's not the sweet, laid-back guy he seemed to be.


Fart! OMG. Enough said.


It was obviously Epperson's fault. Unless it wasn't.


That shiny dress that Qrystal wore during judging looks like Qiana, the 70's miracle fabric. Anyone else remember the big Qiana Miracle Fabric Scare? or am I showing my age here....


That shiny dress that Qrystal wore during judging looks like Qiana, the 70's miracle fabric. Anyone else remember the big Qiana Miracle Fabric Scare? or am I showing my age here....


Qristyl's dress totally looked like Qiana. I didn't think you could even buy it anymore. It's probably toxic in large amounts.

Whoever invented Qiana is probably a very rich person. I *loved* that stuff and bought it like crazy.

I like the print of the beach wear dress, but I'm not keen on the structure of the bottom. The AG piece is.... I'm speechless.

I can't place blame solidly on either one's shoulders. I put it down to unstoppable force and immovable object.

"Fart in clothing form". I'm going to adapt that for everyday use.


What about that hideous blue high school home economics sewn dress Qriystal wore?





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