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Project Runway's Most Dramatic Moments, S3

Our favorite season ever! Everyone cheated!

1) BOOK-GATE

For the INC challenge, the designers were paired off into teams, with Jeffrey and Allison hooked up with an increasingly arrogant Keith, who had emerged as an early judges' pet. The designers had opinions:

"Keith is very manipulating. Jeffrey and Alison are actually doing all his work. It's really not fair for his teammates. He wants to win and he'll do anything to win. He's ruthless."

Kayne must have been really bothered by Keith for some reason because ultimately (and off-camera), he went to the producers with the information that Keith had some fashion books stashed away in his room.

It's clearly stated in the contract that the designers sign pre-taping that they are not to have any reference materials of any kind. Also clearly stated is that they are to have absolutely no contact with the outside world. Once the accusation was made, Keith fled the taping for several hours, reportedly went to his boyfriend's apartment, and spent time on the internet and emailing friends. All of that also happened off-camera.

Jeffrey: "It was obvious to me how Keith was being successful. Keith was making very basic garments and is a very charming person. I think Keith is a fraud in some ways."

Honestly, this was one of the most tense and gripping hours of the show. There was a real feel of doom hanging over everything as the producers and the designers tried to come to terms with what had happened.

We've heard that the designers ALL knew about Keith's books for some time and that none of them had the nerve to speak up about it. We're not saying that's true; we're just saying it's what we heard - and we heard it from more than one person.

In the end, Tim made a late night visit to the men's apartment to inform Keith he had to leave immediately. It was probably the most serious scene the show has ever had. Tim was clearly appalled and heartbroken about it and Keith was clearly embarrassed to the point of numbness.

"My image has been tarnished forever. I'm off the show and I'm going to be a laughing stock to my friends. I didn't expect this. I am disappointed. I would've made until the end, I'm pretty sure, if not, pretty far along. I had a lot of tricks up my sleeve still."

It's a shame, because he definitely had a lot of talent and he's tailor-made for reality television stardom: cute, talented and ruthless contestants tend to make it far and enchant the press. Unfortunately for him, PR felt it was important to maintain the show's integrity and he's been practically invisible since then.


2) MOM-GATE

Oy. If the Keith scenario was the most tense and serious the show's ever been, then this little event was the most uncomfortable and downright ugly the show's ever been.


In a surprise reveal, the designers' mothers all showed up to act as clients. The twist? They would be the clients of other designers. In a move that practically reeked of producer intervention, Jeffrey, who had already butted heads with Angela several times, was paired with Angela's mother.

The problem? Well, aside from Jeffrey and Angela already coming close to hating each other was the fact that Jeffrey ... how shall we put this? Jeffrey lacks certain social skill sets and Angela's mom was absolutely one of the whiniest pains in the ass ever featured on the show.

Jeffrey: "She gave me a lot of mixed messages. She wanted a long dress, she wanted something she could wear out, she also wanted something that was formal...I mean, it was a mess what this woman wanted."
"I'm going to make the dress I'm going to make, I hope you like it, if you don't like it, there's not a thing I can do about that, I only hope the judges will like it."

Tim Gunn: "Are you happy with this?"
Darlene: "I'm just concerned that the colors are matronly and I try to avoid that and I have never worn blue, never worn powder blue, so it's like a shock to me."
Tim Gunn: Did you tell him you were disappointed with the color?"
Angela's mom: "No, he doesn't know."

Alrighty then! Jeffrey?

"That crazy bitch is telling Tim she doesn't like the colors. It's very apropos. I don't get along with her daughter, why should I get along with her?"

Further compounding this was Angela's clear attempt to sabotage Jeffrey by getting her to complain about his garment to the judges. Let's face it: it was ugly all around and no one came out of this looking good.

In the end, Jeffrey created a hideously ugly dress that perfectly mirrored the ugliness of this episode. This one was NOT fun to watch. It's just not cool to drag your mother into your personality conflicts like that (especially when she clearly couldn't handle it emotionally) and it's just not cool to call someone's mother a bitch on national television.

CHEATER-GATE

Oh, Christ. Do we really have to talk about this? The comments section always explodes in anger whenever it comes up.

"When I look at Jeffrey's rack, I just don't believe he sewed that collection himself. How can it be that he doesn't have a single button left to sew? You just don't pull craftsmanship like that out of your ass."

"You crazy bitch. Who fucking cares what you think? I think Laura made that accusation because I made a beautiful, almost flawless collection and she's scared."

We've never really come down on either person's side on this one, partially because we became good friends with one of them and partially because we, like all of you, don't really know the truth.

We'll say this: If we'd known Laura then and if she'd asked our opinion, we would have told her to keep her mouth shut. There was no way for her to prove her accusation and she was only going to wind up looking bad if she voiced it. We've been told by designers from other seasons that someone from their season clearly did the same thing Jeffrey was accused of but they didn't say anything because they knew it wouldn't do anything but make themselves look bad.

Further, she mishandled it by going to Tim instead of to Jeffrey first. We'll give her some credit for voicing her concerns to Uli and Michael and we'll point out something that always gets forgotten in the re-telling of this scenario: Uli and Michael agreed with her.

Even further, if it was a completely baseless accusation, then the producers would have patted her on the head and told her to get back to work. Instead, they launched an "investigation." The bottom line is, he showed up with a flawlessly executed collection and no final touches to be done, something that no designer has ever done before on the show and something that's notable because during the competition, execution was always a problem for Jeffrey. He hauled out that fabric glue more than once and sent garments down the runway with serious technical issues more than once.

"After a very thorough investigation and inquiry, I am absolutely confident in Jeffrey's assertion that he did this work himself."

In the end, the "investigation" was utterly pointless. A review of Jeffrey's receipts was not going to prove anything either way. Why would he turn in a receipt for something he wasn't supposed to do? The investigation did reveal an issue, however. He didn't have a receipt for a pleated pair of shorts and was over budget by over 200 dollars. To rectify that, he got rid of the ugly-ass wigs he was planning to put on all the models. Problem...solved?

Still, we don't know the answer to this one any more than any of you do, so it all comes down to your impression of the people involved and what you're willing to believe about them


[Screencaps: Projectrungay.blogpost.com]



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168 comments:

Oh, Mom-Gate! What a disaster. It was that episode that sealed Jeffrey's fate to be forever known as Angry Little Peanut.

As much as I loved Laura and Mychael in Season 3, these clips remind me how much Season 2 is still my favorite.


Oh, my! This season really did have so many....uncomfortable and yet captivating moments. But yes, I could have done without Mom-Gate.


I still can't believe Jeffrey didn't get booted for that mom-dress. Ugh. It was an "F" in Home Ec! As I recall, the guy who got booted that week came up with a pretty bad, or boring, design, but Jeffrey's was in a whole 'nother category of fug! Just showed me they keep the interesting/dramatic characters around, no matter how bad they fail on any given challenge.

Jeffrey Jeffrey Jeffrey, I just can't take someone seriously as a fashion designer when they've got a mock-turtleneck permanently tattoed on. Bleh.


Incidentally, does anyone know who has picked up Project Runway in Canada for this season?


I don't get why it's considered "sabotage" for Angela to encourage her mother to voice her opinions. Should she have smiled and pretended to like that travesty? If so, why?

Not trying to defend Angela - just wondering...


Oh shit, why not?

1) Book-gate: I think that just got to the point where mostly everyone was sick of Keith's attitude. I also do think that there was a certain degree of jealousy. Don't really care. Move on.


3) Cheat-gate: No way in heyall will I ever believe that Jeffrey made that shit himself. Nope, not in a million years. It still bothers me to an extent because HE
STILL WON, despite the results of this "investigation".

and 2) MOM-GATE...

FTDS. Wouldn't have been no contest. No scheming to get me kicked off. The moment you form your mouth to call my mother a bitch, you'll find my fist in it. Jeffrey needed his ass whupped, plain and simple. Angela was a grade-A wuss.


all the wrong kinds of drama, in season 3. not delicious.


I'm still bitter that Jeffrey won this season. He should have been kicked off during Mom-Gate. That dress was a travesty and his attitude should have made it a go-home outfit.


honesty.not.pc

"Angela's mom was absolutely one of the whiniest pains in the asses ever featured on the show"

THANK YOU!!! I must admit I hated Little Peanut Jeffrey, he was a total arrogant ass, but Angela's mom would have driven me to behave in the same way in that situation. I just have no patience for people who whine and cry and wont speak their mind or stand up for themselves. I am sure her mom is a lovely woman, but she just couldn't handle the pressure of the challenge, Jeffrey's personality, or being on national T.V. I can't fault her for that, but still she grated on me!! Jeffrey should have handled himself better, but I can't say that I would have behaved better myself.

Laura should have kept her mouth shut for sure but at least she stod up for herself and the integrity of the competition. It would have bothered her to her dying day if she had kept quiet while Peanut won.

Keith was a dirty cheater and I thought his situation was handled appropriatly.


It's strange S3 probbaly had 1 of the fewest incidents of drama after Season 4 yet they had probably the most intensity overall.

Keith: Not a major fan of Keith but I seriously doubted he would have been majorly hurt by this affair. He's a fairly good designer but he's a stronger salesman and bullshit artist. It's just the BS didn't always work. case in point the Doggie challenge.

Regardless that salesmanship is a valuable commodity and would prove useful. It's not like he copied an outfit outright.

Darlene/Jeffrey/Angela: An ugly ugly affair. Darlene was not an easy client to serve but a client nonetheless and deserves to be treated as such. Jeffrey was out of line but was under a great deal of stress. Angela did seem to use the situation to screw over Jeffrey in her passive aggressive way but, her mom crying was probably the final straw for her concering Jeffrey.

Like you said no one came out looking pretty or blameless. However I do think Jeffrey could have been proactive and kept it from getting out of hand by being professional and apologizing to her. His mom should not have been the one to come to Darlene. He should have at least tried to make peace with her. It's at least to Darlene's credit she tried to work the runway as best she could in that ugly thing.

Jeffrey/Laura: Egads! Not going there. Just will say only someone of Bad Mommy's hutzspah would have the nerve to make the accusation.

Frank


Nick said watching S3 made him glad that he was on S2. Mychael, Uli and Laura were all great talented ppl to watch, but man could it get tense!

Also...

"We've been told by designers from other seasons that someone from their season clearly did the same thing Jeffrey was accused of but they didn't say anything because they knew it wouldn't do anything but make themselves look bad."

Please don't hold out on us!!


Dowdy Middle-Aged Woman

Jeffrey "Bratz" Sebelia is a fraud.

Laura was right and should have won on the strength of her stunning collection for real (albeit wealthy) women.

I didn't care for Angela, but she and her mother (who I found neither whiny nor a pain in the ass) were also right.

Keith? Keith who?


Oh, and speaking of making cheating accussations...

Didn't Tim say that it happens again THIS season?


God what a fabulous season that was. High drama and real talent. Delicious.


1. Keith Gate- at the time I thought Keith was a total cheat. Now I'm not so sure... How in the world did he get those books in there, and if they have cameras on them all the time, how was he able to use them(in secret). I think the producers allowed them in and the game was to see if any of the other designers would tell on him.

2. Mom Gate- I don't care how difficult Angela's mother was. Jeffrey was an ass. I have no problem with Angela counciling her mother that she should speak up at the elimination. God knows my mother is difficult but if some 40yo perma-juvenile made her cry I would use my exacto on him and walk off the set and take my mother with me.

3. Cheat gate- Yes, I find it almost impossible to believe that Jeffrey did not make use of his factory full of sample hands to help him sew his collection. That however really doesn't bother me. People always use what every is at their disposal. You just have to be better than them.


Yes, Jeffrey's mom-dress is ugly, but Robert was the clear loser. His dress was boring and hideous and he hadn't created anything interesting in a while.


I think that Jeff Sebelia winning was probably the lowest point in the entire series for me. He is such a rude, distasteful, angry person, whose skills left much to be desired. I do believe that he should have been eliminated for the Mom dress, although I agree, Angela's Mom was one of the most difficult "models" they ever had. I also totally believe that he didn't sew a single stitch of his collection. Laura was right to question it, although yeah, she probably should have just said nothing, because the entire drama was pointless. Jeffrey has a factory full of people he probably pays off the books, therefore no record of payment for services rendered.
I think they need to enforce the same rules for everyone, and not bend them for Jeffrey or Kara Saun or whoever they favor at the moment because they're good TV.
Keith was just arrogant and stupid. You could see right from the audition that he felt that rules didn't apply to him when he showed up with someone else's designs and said he "helped" create them.
He showed talent with the couple of garments he actually made, but he should have been auf'd on the dog challenge when he refused to even create an outfit for the dog, which was the whole point of the challenge.
Boy you guys really found the moments that elicit the most passionate responses, didn't you?


I enjoyed this season so much, I wish I could go back to not ever having watched it and watch it fresh.

It blew my doors off.


Bravo is airing PR S2 today - timely promotion for Lifetime- how sweet! Oh, and Jeffery, you lost me at neck tats!


Thank goodness for Mychael Knight for making s.3 watchable.

I had to lysol my tv screen every time Tattoo Boy was on it.


C'est moi, c'est moi Lola

Wow. This re-cap was quite the downer, wasn't it?

You two are too kind in saying ALP lacked certain social skills needed in order to handle a client like Darlene. I don't think he ever considered how he would have felt if someone had treated his own mother that way. In fact, I'll go so far to say that I don't think he really ever considers anyone but himself, but that's just an opinion of a dumb blog commentator like me.

Ahh, cheater-gate. You two are right in saying that we will never really know what happened. Seriously, would ALP be dumb enough to include a receipt for work not done by himself? I don't like the guy, but I'll give him credit for being smart enough to avoid that.

Besides, all I remember from that finale was really, really wanting Uli to win, because she knocked out some good stuff while getting along with most of the other designers.


I think the word that came to my mind with Keith was narcissist. There was something about him that made me think he was at least little bit that way

It sad that despite the good challenges and the good moments S3 had some of the most unpleasants moments in PR history.

That whole Mommy crying incident reminded me how more more I respected Angela as a person post season. She isn't the greatest designer in the world but I have to give her props for taking the high road after S3 came out. She publically took responsibility and apologised for her bad behavior during the Miss USA challenge in regards to both Kayne and Vincent making no attempt to excuse it. And in the interviews I've read, she is surpringly generous and gracious concerning questions about the ALP. Not bad-mouthing him any where near as much as you would expect.

Anyway I don't need to see this kind of drama on S6-especially after last season's mega dose

Frank


I still agree with Laura. But I'd love to know who this "other designer" was who might have enlisted some outside help...


"To rectify that, he got rid of the ugly-ass wigs he was planning to put on all the models."

Ironically, Cheater-Gate may have done ALP more good than harm, since it forced him to get rid of those heinous wigs.


The more I think about Keith's drama the more I almost - almost! - side with him. How did he get the books past the producers unless the producers intentionally ignored them so they could create this drama during the show. Also, if he did somehow sneak them in, would he REALLY arrange them so perfectly under his bed in that perfectly camera-ready stack?

And I agree, the producers' "investigation" was flawed. If he had outside help when he wasn't supposed to, why on earth would he have a receipt for it?


Here is what I heard from one of the producers of the show that was there during all three of these debacles, and here is the "inside" scoop--

1) The REAL reason Keith was kicked off was because Kayne wanted him gone. Why? Because they were "hooking-up" since the first show, supposedly at night in the shower. One night, something went down in there that Keith didn't like, and Kayne finished up and got out. Keith started screaming at him, and said that he would go to the producers over it.....Kayne decided to turn Keith in for having the books (apparently everyone in his apartment knew, but didn't want to rat on him) to clean up the whole situation. Keith was quickly removed, and Kayne's problem was solved. Very interesting....

2) The same producer also told me that in the case of Angela's mom and Jeffrey, what you don't see is that everyone but Angela hates Angela's mom (including the other moms). Yes Jeffrey was an ass to her, but the story is that she was such a nasty whiner, that she provoked it, but was edited to look very sympathethic (much like Christian and his prom model!).

3) In the case of the finale, this producer also told me that they all knew Jeffrey cheated, but the deal is there is no way to prove it. From their perspective, Laura, by opening her mouth (which one would rightly do in the real world) threw the win to Jeffrey, making him into a fabulous underdog story in a matter of minutes. He's cocky about his collection, then accused of cheating, then his whole life from drug addiction etc., is brought into play to show how far he has come and what a waste and tragedy it would be to lose so close to the finish line, and then "Whew!", everything's okay, and the underdog comes from certain ruin to take the gold. Laura tailor-made them an ending to Season 3 (no pun intended!).

With that inside dish, some of it makes more sense...

Ben


Ben!

Dude, I just copied and pasted your post into Word, because this shit will get deleted. (No bad words about Laura)

Thanks for the dirt!


Mom-Gate... I had such a yuck for Angela (and crazy self-esteem Vincent) that I may not be very objective. A's mom was in fact a pain in the ass and I really beleive thet orchestrated J's fall. BUT I assume it is part of a designer's job to deal with difficult costumers, which nobody pointed out strongly enough...

CHEATER GATE: The production just had to go on bc they couldn't prove anything, but I think even Heidi smelled the rotten in this. So bad that he won.

Book-gate: Tense, good TV... coiceited people not even worth talking about.


" Anonymous said...

Ben!

Dude, I just copied and pasted your post into Word, because this shit will get deleted. (No bad words about Laura)"

Please put some effort into your complaints and try to make them original and somewhat close to accurate next time.


My favorite PR moment of all time is from the Keith gate episode. After he was kicked off, Laura said in her camera interview "Keith... what an asshole. I'm glad he's gone." I laughed until tears were streaming down my face b/c how of she said it.


Book Gate was my absolute favorite thing about S3. Wait, my second favorite, after your screen caps of Heidi and Keith "discussing" Book Gate at the reunion.


"I think they need to enforce the same rules for everyone, and not bend them for Jeffrey or Kara Saun or whoever they favor at the moment because they're good TV."

Okay, "they" are TV producers. their goal isn't to make things fair it's to make good TV.

And I love that in the lifetime of this comments section, the abbreviation ALP has been coined.


I always thought Jeffrey was a nasty piece of work, and he certainly proved it more than once. I have contended from the night that Mom-Gate episode aired that he should have been auf'ed then and there, not just for the hideous dress he made (and no bones about it, it was indefensible and that should have been enough), but for the perfectly dreadful way he behaved. Whether or not you choose to design only for thin people, you are not entitled to treat a client with disrespect. Ever. He was unprofessional and downright ugly, not that Angela or her mother handled it perfectly, but there was no excuse for his behavior. In the reunion show he lied and denied and blamed everything on others, but it was pure Jeffrey and it wasn't pretty.

It was no surprise to hear Laura say in her recent interview with TLo that when she ran into him at Mood while he was filming the all-star episode, he was still full of the same old bullshit. That nasty little peanut hadn't learned a thing, and what a shame.


honesty.not.pc said “I am sure her mom is a lovely woman…”

I’m not. Oy, Mom-gate.

I don’t agree with how far Jeffrey took things, but I wasn’t buying all of mom’s tears & whining – she just struck me as the kind who does all that “poor, victim me!” stuff to get her way. Passive/aggressive, manipulative. I don’t think Jeffrey should have called her a bitch, but I agreed with him thinking it. Being a mom doesn’t preclude being a PITA.

Now, the dress was a hideous sack – and I was surprised he wasn’t eliminated for that.**

I can absolutely understand how Kayne got sick of Keith – he couldn’t back up his arrogance without cheating – good riddance.

Cheat-gate? I’m with TLo…we’ll never know. Yes, Jeffrey had construction issues in the past, but how do we know he didn’t just blow his family off for the full two months (or whatever) and spend every moment in his shop…perfecting his garments? It’s possible it all came down to time management. I dunno. (I do seem to recall some post that mentioned the “Santino-ness” of one or two of Jeffrey’s final dresses. Hmmm.)

**(off topic) Except that Robert’s dress was WAY worse and an insult to all plus-sized women and absolutely deserved to be aufed.


and we'll point out something that always gets forgotten in the re-telling of this scenario: Uli and Michael agreed with her.


EXACTLY!!!! I was so pissed that when it came time to confront ALP, Mychael and Uli didn't say anything. It looked like Laura was the only one making the accusations.


We've been told by designers from other seasons that someone from their season clearly did the same thing Jeffrey was accused of but they didn't say anything because they knew it wouldn't do anything but make themselves look bad.

How did I miss this juicy little tidbit?
Can you at least say whether it was a decoy collect or a real collection? Because only 2 designers that I can think of would have had access to sample hands or operators.


Oh yes, and I forgot to mention... the business with Keith and the cheater books was what hooked me on this show, solid. I had never seen it before, was home taking a sick day and stumbled on to a PR marathon. I came in about five minutes before Tim knocked on that door, and kittens, that was it. Hopelessly addicted.

I have since seen every minute of that show that has ever aired, and I read this blog EVERY DAY. Not just for PR, but because it's fabulous. You bitches really know your stuff! Thanks for all the humor, well-considered opinions, and damn good information from someone who knew zip about fashion four years ago. You have my appreciation and respect.


Gorgeous Things said...

Book Gate was my absolute favorite thing about S3. Wait, my second favorite, after your screen caps of Heidi and Keith "discussing" Book Gate at the reunion.



LOLOLOL Oh my God, I totally forgot about that.


ben said...

Here is what I heard from one of the producers of the show that was there during all three of these debacles, and here is the "inside" scoop--



Ben, darling, that is some MAJUH gossip. I'm loving it.


Yeah, the whole book thing was very shady; they pretty much strip these designers naked when they arrived and they didn't know about the books? C'mon...


" Piobaire said...

Yeah, the whole book thing was very shady; they pretty much strip these designers naked when they arrived and they didn't know about the books? "

Where did you get that idea from?


Ah Mom-Gate...I think I'm one of the few who was on Jeffery's side in that little debacle. I never understand these difficult and ungrateful clients, I would KILL to be a client on PR. As for him calling her names, well at least he was speaking his mind, she's a grown woman she can take it, it's not taboo just because you're a "mommy".


Bookgate - I heart Kayne, and was glad he was the one to turn dick Keith in. Keith was smarmy to begin with, his attitude only got worse, and he was cheating - blech. It appeared the only one who liked him was Allison. I was glad when he was booted. (Remember his dog's "outfit"? Oy.)

I am glad you did not gloss over what Angela and her mother did during Momgate. Jeffrey was kind of an indifferent ass to her at first, but his worst behavior did not come until after Angela and her mother started scheming. I wasn't there and I don't know how bad he got, but his feelings were somewhat justified.

Cheatergate...let's be honest, Jeffrey most likely cheated, even if it can't be proven. (And really, how could it? Video evidence of other people making his garments?) Not a huge fan of Laura, but I am a huge fan of how she handled it. Just because it can't be proven doesn't mean it's fair or that it shouldn't be brought up. I'm sure she realized how it would make her look to a lot of people but still chose to do what was right. (Re: going to Jeffrey first - seems rather silly. He's obviously going to deny it, and I don't see how her just flat-out saying "I am going to Tim about this" is going to lead to anything but a huge fight for the cameras...still followed by the investigation.)

And I was surprised their collection receipts weren't all audited automatically. Someone can just bring in $15,000 worth of materials and get away with it 'cause no one's checking? PricewaterhouseCoopers they ain't.


I felt... bad... for Jeffrey.

By this point in the competition, everyone is tired as hell, the stress levels are rising at a faster rate as designers fall to the wayside, the light at the end of the competition tunnel is getting blinding-er and I have no doubts that bad personal traits are becoming more pronounced and the good traits are getting shredded.

Jeffrey is a rock 'n roll tough guy from LA with the smallest niche market of all the designers left at that point (well... if you discount Barbie dolls 'cause they're not buying the clothes). His fashion views are what got him this ultimate gig and it's what will eventually get him the win.

And he gets Angela's mom; a whiny, deer-stuck-in-headlights, middle-American, middle-aged, big-middled woman who doesn't seem able to say what she wants but sure knows what she doesn't want (but doesn't say it to Jeffrey whose the one who's definitely got the most to lose in this situation). In short, she's the complete antithesis of Jeffrey's usual client (and still grating on the nerves for anyone asking for an honest opinion or working on a deadline, regardless of whether she'd every become a client).

So now he's stuck with her and he can't get anything constructive out of her and he has a freakin' deadline and he is in a far better advantage to guess what the judges are going to want to see than her so it would be crazy nutsy to make *her* happy and produce something that would invariably ended up looking like something... well... something Robert rightly got auffed for.

I seem to recall (and from the screenshots page quotes) that he basically politely (though tersely) told her he knows what he has to do, he hopes she likes it and he really has to get a move on. But she just seemed entirely unable to understand or pick up speed to get her head around this. And that's not Jeffrey's fault at all so I cut him a lot of slack at this point.

His outfit was interesting in that at least it didn't scream Lane Bryant. And the designer who actually seemed to really please his client? OUT.

As for how he treated her? He brought up some good points in a starky, snarky way. And what is he really suppose to say in his asides - "you guys know damned well the producers of this show made this situation, right?"

But his politesse didn't get him into the competition, it didn't get him the win and so I give him a pass on this one because I also got the heads-on feeling Angela's Mom is used to being portrayed as the innocent lamb and I couldn't stand that bullshit, either.


I loved and hated this season. Michael, Laura, Uli and some of the others were great, but for me, this season was overrun by the unlikeables. Sure, there are always people you don't like, like Jeffery, but I hated watching no-talents Angela and Vincent every week. I remember yelling at the tv during this season wondering why they were still there. My then-bf, now husband used to say that I must like hating them, but no, I really didn't--they were annoying, untalented, whiny and delusional.


Out of curiosity... would any of those books actually be *useful*? they look like terminology/textbooks, which is all well and good, but they aren't necessarily going to give you tips on design principals or draping. Granted, I don't have the books, and could be completely wrong about their contents.


Kira said...

Out of curiosity... would any of those books actually be *useful*? they look like terminology/textbooks, which is all well and good, but they aren't necessarily going to give you tips on design principals or draping. Granted, I don't have the books, and could be completely wrong about their contents.



Well, The Fashion Book for example is a collection of all the most important designers and a sample of one of their works; he could get "inspired" by these looks.


There was a whole incident where he had drafted the exact patterns that were in one of the books. That's what Tim said anyway.

So...was it Rami? He's seems like a likely candidate to get outside help, especially since he whipped together that hideous coat in twice with such accurate precision.


CanIGetYouAnythitng?

I bet you boys know a LOT MORE than you reveal :)


Okay, I love ALP, as he has come to be known, and I loved his final collection. I always thought that it would be utterly stupid for him to cheat in a season where someone got axed for cheating. He may rub a lot of people the wrong way, but he certainly never comes off as dumb. As for Mom-gate. . . I probably wouldn't have been any more patient with that whine bag than he was, I'm sorry to say. With the stress, the exhaustion and this nightmare of a client, I probably would have bitten the poor woman. . .


I don't care how miserable Angela's Mom was, Jeffrey was at the hilt of his evil Peanut persona with her. She was a client, and any of us that have worked in the fashion industry (or ANY industry, for that matter), KNOW that we HAVE to work with miserable clients. He should have been unceremoniously dumped on his ass for putting that piece of crap on her.
Laura should have kept her mouth shut, but had I been put in her position, I just might have blabbed, too. I STILL think Peanut Neck had help with his collection. I HATE that he won.
The Book-Gate drama is forgettable to me as Keith was not a memorable person anyway.


TheNYCourier

So...was it Rami? He's seems like a likely candidate to get outside help, especially since he whipped together that hideous coat in twice with such accurate precision.



Yeah, that's what I was thinking Rami or Joe, but Rami was such a tight ass perfectionist I can't imagine that he would let someone hang one of his PR garments on the hanger for him, much less sew the entire thing.
Joe on the other hand knowing his was a decoy had nothing to lose or gain by doing all that work himself.


I agree, Keith vs Heidi on the reunion was hysterical! I was actually expecting a long, drawn out fight between Keith and everyone, but was equally satisfied by Heidi stomping him out like a cheap cigarette, and Tim even helping her along.

I love Tim, he was just so genuine about the whole thing.

Too bad Vincent and his basket hat wasn't very dramatic. I would love to relive that bit again.


Ben, Ben, Ben. I loved the dirt.

Angela's mom was a PITA and I get the feeling that she and Angela don't really get along. Angela didn't show any real passion regarding Jeffrey's treatment towards her mom. Seemed like a Freudian slip when Angela said "You ass... Jeffrey's the ass, not my mother". Angela was like oy vey, Mom, here we go again.

~Sewjourner


I think it should be pointed out during that whole ugly Mom-gate, Jeffrey never apologized to Darlene or even tried. By not trying to placate her he only upped the tension and made himself look worse.

Angela even recounted during the reunion she asked Jeffrey to apologized to her mom before the runway and he refused.

I feel that was very short sighted of him since he knew very well the effect it will have on the opinions of viewers. And yes he was aware how he would come off. I remember in an interview Angela said Jeffrey apologised to her after their fight over the sewing machine settings because he realized he would look like an asshole if he didn't. Something they conventiently never bothered to show on air.

Frank


Anonymous said...

I remember in an interview Angela said Jeffrey apologised to her after their fight over the sewing machine settings because he realized he would look like an asshole if he didn't. Something they conventiently never bothered to show on air.

Frank


How do they show his motivations behind his words on air? They can film his thoughts? Sounds like Angela was speculating about why he aplogized. I sincerely doubt anyone would just say, "I am going to apologize to you, but only so I don't look like an asshole on TV." That's something the show would probably use, no?


Did Angela's Mom know what she was getting into? Some people are not used to expressing what they want, are wishy-washy, or passive-aggressive. I don't think the show should have put her in this situation. But Jeffrey could have behaved better towards her.


I had no idea Greg Kinnear was a contestant on the show.


1) Book-Gate was resolved in the right way. If the contestants are not supposed to bring reference materials, then they were right to disqualify Keith.

2) I just remember being uncomfortable watching Mom-Gate. Apparently Angela got her passive-aggresive behavior from her mother. Who doesn't wear blue? I guess Darlene's sweater is black in the photos above, but at first glance I thought it was navy blue.

3) I know Laura is well beloved but Cheater-Gate only made me dislike her. Her clothes were so detailed and she had to hand-sew all those crystals, feathers, etc. Jeffrey's collection was much simpler in comparison, so why couldn't he accomplish the work in the same amount of time she had to do all that handwork.

Also, after looking at the clothes more closely, Uli backed off on the idea that Jeffrey had others do the work because the clothing wasn't as perfect as it first appeared.

Besides, I believe everyone has a yellow pages to look through if they want to hire someone. Anyone could cheat if they were so inclined.

Isabel C.


Anybody remember Kara Janx? (She got to do the fourth unseen show for the finale taping to keep the audience from knowing for sure who the top 3 were.) Jeffrey should have had his ass booted off long ago for numerous offenses. I thought Kara's collection was truly inspired and deserved a place in the top three. I agree with previous blogger: "Jeffrey's win WAS a low point for the show."


Laura acted with remarkable restraint.

Probably the only reason she didn't just kill the cheating ALP in a pregnancy hormone induced rage is that she was afraid the effort might cause baby #6 to fall out.

Suz


Laura lost me when she said "I'm not questioning your integrity" to Jeffrey. If you're going to question someone's integrity have the balls to admit it. Laura's many fans seem to forget it happened.

I frankly don't care much if he did what she accused him of. As has been said many times before, it isn't a sewing competition. His DESIGNS were judged to be better than her DESIGNS. Uli was my winner, with Jeffrey 2nd Laura 3rd Personally I find her rich bitch persona as tedious as his LA rock dude one. But more importantly I found her designs rather dull.


What is a PITA?


Anonymous said...
I felt... bad... for Jeffrey.

By this point in the competition, everyone is tired as hell, the stress levels are rising at a faster rate as designers fall to the wayside, the light at the end of the competition tunnel is getting blinding-er and I have no doubts that bad personal traits are becoming more pronounced and the good traits are getting shredded.

Jeffrey is a rock 'n roll tough guy from LA with the smallest niche market of all the designers left at that point (well... if you discount Barbie dolls 'cause they're not buying the clothes). His fashion views are what got him this ultimate gig and it's what will eventually get him the win.

And he gets Angela's mom; a whiny, deer-stuck-in-headlights, middle-American, middle-aged, big-middled woman who doesn't seem able to say what she wants but sure knows what she doesn't want (but doesn't say it to Jeffrey whose the one who's definitely got the most to lose in this situation). In short, she's the complete antithesis of Jeffrey's usual client (and still grating on the nerves for anyone asking for an honest opinion or working on a deadline, regardless of whether she'd every become a client).

So now he's stuck with her and he can't get anything constructive out of her and he has a freakin' deadline and he is in a far better advantage to guess what the judges are going to want to see than her so it would be crazy nutsy to make *her* happy and produce something that would invariably ended up looking like something... well... something Robert rightly got auffed for.

I seem to recall (and from the screenshots page quotes) that he basically politely (though tersely) told her he knows what he has to do, he hopes she likes it and he really has to get a move on. But she just seemed entirely unable to understand or pick up speed to get her head around this. And that's not Jeffrey's fault at all so I cut him a lot of slack at this point.

His outfit was interesting in that at least it didn't scream Lane Bryant. And the designer who actually seemed to really please his client? OUT.

As for how he treated her? He brought up some good points in a starky, snarky way. And what is he really suppose to say in his asides - "you guys know damned well the producers of this show made this situation, right?"

But his politesse didn't get him into the competition, it didn't get him the win and so I give him a pass on this one because I also got the heads-on feeling Angela's Mom is used to being portrayed as the innocent lamb and I couldn't stand that bullshit, either.

8/14/09 5:16 PM"




Wow? How's that Kool-Aid?

True Jeffrey may have been frustrated. So was everyone else, and they still managed to be civil to their clients.

Now, you may think that its no big deal because Jeffrey is "LA rocker", which means he gets excused for being a prick. However, he could've sat down with the Mom to see what would be the best course to take. If she still had concerns, he could've been civil enough to say that "I want to make you look your best. Leave it to me to design something that would look good on you."


But of course, since this is Jeffrey, that would be too much like right. And calling his client a bitch and a submarine is not snarky back and forth. It was just Jeffrey being his usual asshole self.


Book-gate: Keith would have been booted eventually. Did anyone else notice how shiny and sweaty and pale and dirty and tired Keith always looked. I'm just sayin.

Ben, Keith and Kayne, Really?
I don't think so.

Mom-gate: They all misbehaved and looked foolish but Jeffrey should have been auf'ed for that shitious dress. Not to mention treating a client like that. You don't always get to pick your who you work for and sometimes you gotta kiss ass and suck toes.

Cheat-gate: Uli should have won, but I think Laura pushed the producers into picking Jeffrey. Her plan totally backfired.

Hey TLo,
Another designer, another season?
Was it Kara Saun.
I bet it was.


I don't really know why, but I was team Jeffrey all the way. Angela's mom deserved it. Yes, she was a client, but this wasn't the real world. Maybe it's because I really wanted someone to make Angela cry.


I have always thought (and don't hate me for this) that the producers, having basically shown a "judges' pet" designer who cheated and lost (Kara Saun and her own shoe-gate), couldn't have another cheater who lost, so they essentially gave the win to Jeffrey, BECAUSE Laura had accused him.

If Laura had kept her mouth shut, I think the contest would have been between her and Uli.

Another thing that's always been in my head is that Tim Gunn, for Season 4, said that having Rami and Chris compete for the third spot was something they wanted to do in Season 3, but didn't have time. I've had it in the back of my head that Laura, seeing what shit Michael turned in for his final collection for the competition between himself and Jeffrey, made it all up in order to keep Michael in the competition. That's a total conspiracy theory of mine, and I'm sure it's untrue, but the second Tim Gunn said that small bit about not "having time" to do that very thing in Season 3, it sat wrong with me.


Patrick said...
Another thing that's always been in my head is that Tim Gunn, for Season 4, said that having Rami and Chris compete for the third spot was something they wanted to do in Season 3, but didn't have time. I've had it in the back of my head that Laura, seeing what shit Michael turned in for his final collection for the competition between himself and Jeffrey, made it all up in order to keep Michael in the competition. That's a total conspiracy theory of mine, and I'm sure it's untrue, but the second Tim Gunn said that small bit about not "having time" to do that very thing in Season 3, it sat wrong with me.



Close. The true story is that the producers wanted Mychael to show at Bryant Park since the viewers loved him so much so they came up with the idea of final four. I guess they thought Uli was going home for sure that day, but she won.


Ben, what delicious dish! I wonder who the helped designers could be? Kara Saun? Chloe? Rami or Jillian? I'm trying to think of folks who would have the resources like that. hmmmm DYING to know.


off topic Tlo:

you didn't put part 1 on this post...does that mean that fluff and fold didn't make the cut?


EspeciallyGay

Wow, loving all this! Thanks, Tlo!

I'll make it short:

a)Keith, what an a***ole, as Laura said.
b)Jeffrey vs. mom - see a)
c)Yup, he cheated. Didn't Laura say something like if he hadn't cheated, knowing Jeffrey and his cocky attitude, he wouldn't be worried about it or something like that?


I was a big fan of Mychael, but yeah, his final collection wasn't all that. Jeffrey creeped me out then and does so even more now, but I did think the cheater-gate thing was rather silly.

As for wanting to see Angela cry, well, that's really compassionate.

Last but not least, to answer anon 7:19 a PITA is a pain in the ...


Gorgeous Things said...

Book Gate was my absolute favorite thing about S3. Wait, my second favorite, after your screen caps of Heidi and Keith "discussing" Book Gate at the reunion.


Thanks GT. Will you and others who have been around since the beginning give us a heads up when there are good TLo screen caps that accompany one of the dramatic moments being featured. Thanks again, mwah!


bitchybitchybitchy

Oh, Mom-gate: definitely a low point in PR history.

Personally I found Jeffrey's treatment of Angela's mother ugly and unkind. I recognize that she presented problems, and that that tension between Angela and Jeffrey didn't help matters, but Jeffrey is an adult, and a professional, and he could have handled it much better.


I loved Jeffrey, and I loved his collection. He handled Angela's mother far better than I would have, because I hate passive-aggressive people who like to make themselves the victim. She may be Angela's mom but I don't believe that means she should be treated nicely because she's "Angela's mom" rather than as a "client". And who hasn't thought/called a PITA customer a bitch before?

And I don't believe Jeffrey cheated -- like someone said, Laura had all those hand-sewn details that she had to perfect in the same time that Jeffrey had for his much simpler collection. But I'm biased - I loved P3's final four equally.


Uli agreed with Laura? I'm pretty sure she declared in an interview she was in Jeffrey's side but the editing made it seem the other way. She knew Jeffrey had some special equipment at home and didn't really believe the cheating allegations. I could be wrong though, it has been so long.


StkrShock said...
I don't care how miserable Angela's Mom was, Jeffrey was at the hilt of his evil Peanut persona with her. She was a client, and any of us that have worked in the fashion industry (or ANY industry, for that matter), KNOW that we HAVE to work with miserable clients.


But the show isn't about client relations, it's about fashion design. If the challenge was about client relations, Robert would have been in the top two or three instead of being shown the door on that episode.

I also remember Christian was racked slowly and painfully over the coals by the judges when he tried to actually follow what his client wanted when he designed that crappy prom dress following Maddy's (?) clear directions (and, of course, the show said 'ciao' to Nora when she created that hideous-but-client-approved wedding dress).

Jeffrey doesn't seem like an idiot - any smart designer looks at the past shows and seeks patterns and I may be giving him the benefit of the doubt but I think he was smart enough to realize that 'client relations' - especially with this client who was simply wasting time and not giving any constructive help whatsoever and may have had an agenda against him to begin with - isn't the point of the show or would be the focal point of the judging. I certainly don't remember the judges being terribly concerned with the issue when it arose during judging.

So he cut his losses, did what needed to be done and I kinda like the fact he didn't apologize and just decided to live with the outcome. So he's not a particularly nice guy. I find it sort of refreshing to get what you get and not get someone so concerned with public image that the reality between the public persona and private one is all illusion.


Fashion Girl NY

Jeffrey - a number one dirt bag, cheater and all around prick. If he spoke to my mother that way, I would have had quite a lot to say to him. Angela is always being beat up on this blog, but I think she was actually restrained in her response.

And then he wins. Ugh. As much as I have come to dislike Laura since then, her collection was stunning, and I still think she should have won. She was robbed!!


Anonymous said...
"So he cut his losses, did what needed to be done and I kinda like the fact he didn't apologize and just decided to live with the outcome. So he's not a particularly nice guy. I find it sort of refreshing to get what you get and not get someone so concerned with public image that the reality between the public persona and private one is all illusion."

8/14/09 10:38 PM


Um sorry, but no matter how much of a "badass" Jeffrey thinks that he is, he's not doing business if he's alienating a potential client. That's just simple human nature.

Nobody wants to do business with an asshole. Or maybe its me because I wouldn't take his bullshit.


Lord, the DRAMA in S3!!!
This was such an uncomfortable season, now that I think about it, but it's always been my favorite - with S1 a close second. There was a real sweetness in S3 to balance out the bitter (Kayne, Robert Best, Mychael, Uli) and don't forget crazy-ass Vincent.

I don't think I would have enjoyed this season as much without Tim's podcasts of the behind-the-scenes intrigue. Just priceless! I wish he would do them for S6 for us hard-core PR junkies...


I just can't watch the "mom" episode. Angela's poor mom was just completely out of her element. While the other moms seemed to really be enjoying being filmed, I just don't think that is something Darlene ever even conceived of doing. Jeffrey's treatment of her was deplorable, and instead of trying to make it easier for her mom, Angela actually fanned the flames and made it worse. Just a terrible episode.

As for Keith, I quote Laura: "What an asshole. I'm glad to see him gone".


Anonymous 10:47 wrote... Um sorry, but no matter how much of a "badass" Jeffrey thinks that he is, he's not doing business if he's alienating a potential client. That's just simple human nature.

That's ultimately why I really don't like these kinds of challenges. Angela's mom would *never* be a potential client and someone like Jeffrey wouldn't have taken her on unless he could see a real advantage in RL. If that was true, we'd have a whole lotta designers making things that the American average-sized woman could wear and yet, they don't.

Nobody wants to do business with an asshole.

Having seen enough assholes in my life, I can assuredly say that if the asshole is going to make the client money or more beautiful, the client will put up with it. Hell... isn't that TV show, "House", all about an asshole and that's been on for years (yes, I realize it's just a TV show but people are obviously watching a lot of asshole action going on and voluntarily tuning into it).

Or maybe its me because I wouldn't take his bullshit.

It would have been more interesting and less sour if Angela's mom would have effectively not taken his attitude, either, by being far more proactive. Then again, she had nothing to lose and if *her* designer screwed up, all it meant was a better chance for her daughter to get another chance to win.

Which is another reason why I really don't like these kinds of challenges because the producers put other invested people in this weird position of, essentially, working for their flesh and blood's competition. The relatives aren't part of the competition and they shouldn't be made auxilialries to the designer's tasks.


You don't think there are any assholes in business? Really? You think Martha Stewart is like Carol Brady? Being nice can be an ingredient for success, but no, it is not a requirement...and certainly not in the fashion industry.


Oy, Jeffrey. Ugh.


Another designer, another season?

My guess: SANTINO, and he probably used the same people that Jeffrey did to make his collection. Remember when he came back with his final collection how amazed Tim was at how high his skill level had become? Hmmmm


Apropos S3, and having nothing to do with this post -- I was in the mall this week and walked by (I believe it was) Banana Republic and saw... fleurchons! I couldn't believe it! Angela's Jubilee Jumbles influence lives on.


I had such a visceral loathing for Vincent that it was hard for me to enjoy this season until he was gone. It did have some of my favorite designers--Michael, Uli, Laura after awhile. Jeffrey had all the social skills of a gnu, but I did think he had the best final collection. Still, lay off the moms, dude.


I don't see how anyone can really come down on Angela's mom in Mom-gate. And while I really didn't like Angela, I don't see how being upset by how your Mom is being treated, when she was indeed being treated badly is manipulative. In my opinion Angela didn't go far enough.

Perhaps it's just the way I was raised, but when is it acceptable to treat someone's mother that way? So Jeffrey is the rock and roll designer - great good for him, having to design and work with different people is part of the job, and if Jeffrey couldn't handle "middle america" well then, he deserved the loss. It was a crap dress, and he treated the client shabbily. How can you really do business that way. There were other "middle american" Moms there - and the other designers were able to work with them, keep true to their vision, and make some of the Mom's look great. If Jeffrey can't do that.. oh well...


Book Gate - My only regret is I wanted to see how far Keith would have gone.

Mom Gate - Jeffery would have had to wear "mom jeans" forever if he talked to my mom like that!

Cheater Gate - Actually I liked how Laura handled it. There are those who live with regrets for what they never do or say. Laura obviously refuses to live that way. I like a woman with iron guts!

Cally


Ben said..) The REAL reason Keith was kicked off was because Kayne wanted him gone. Why? Because they were "hooking-up" since the first show, supposedly at night in the shower. One night, something went down in there that Keith didn't like, and Kayne finished up and got out. Keith started screaming at him, and said that he would go to the producers over it.....Kayne decided to turn Keith in for having the books (apparently everyone in his apartment knew, but didn't want to rat on him) to clean up the whole situation. Keith was quickly removed, and Kayne's problem was solved. Very interesting....

Are you crazy. There is no way that Kayne and Keith hooked up. Kayne is my brother and I can tell you with a doubt that your little piece of gossip is not true.


Everyone seems to want the winners of PR to be likeable too. I'm not sure that talent always comes in that shape, and I disliked Jeffrey too (and hated the neck tattoo) but I thought his final collection was absolutely incredible. Beautiful stuff. Loved the other designers better as people but liked Jeffrey's collection the best.


What does Jeffrey's nickname ALP mean? The first thing I thought when I saw it was Australian Labor Pary.


ALP=angry little peanut


Anonymous 10:38PM said:
StkrShock said...
I don't care how miserable Angela's Mom was, Jeffrey was at the hilt of his evil Peanut persona with her. She was a client, and any of us that have worked in the fashion industry (or ANY industry, for that matter), KNOW that we HAVE to work with miserable clients.

But the show isn't about client relations, it's about fashion design. If the challenge was about client relations, Robert would have been in the top two or three instead of being shown the door on that episode.
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But of course the show IS about client relations as well as design.
How often have we seen guest clients as well as guest judges tip the scales because of their likes and dislikes? The Peanut was WRONG. Maybe that's why we don't hear as much about him as we do other designers from the show who have done mighty well for themselves. Customer service these days is PARAMOUNT, period. There are upscale and not so upscale stores I will not shop in because of just one bad experience with customer service. Same for businesses who provide other services.


There were just too many instances of Jeffrey being a horrible, narrcisistic, dishonest person for me to not believe he cheated on his final collection. And I do not blame Laura in the slightest for saying so. But one of the problems, when you are dealing with someone who is very talented at lying, as Jeffrey is, is that often his lies are believed over the truth. The person who is right, who is the whistle-blower, takes the heat while the liar skips along unfettered.

As for mom-gate: I met Angela at one of Malan's shows and asked her about Jeffrey - both his behavior in general and with her mother. She said it was very hard for her to not just punch him, seeing how he treated her mom. As for his behavior in general, I asked if they just edited him to be a villan and she said no, that the editing was actually very kind to him. In reality, he was much worse. And she isn't the only PR alum to has told me that about him.

But even though he got away with cheating, and his abhorent behavior got him face time on a reality show, in real world reality, that same behavior has, and will always, prevent him from making anything of himself in the fashion industry. His mysogynistic behavior has rendered him unmarketable. He'll never be anything but a reality show whore - no different than those moronic Housewives.

--GothamTomato


I'd also add that the mysogynistic, bullying behavior that Jeffrey exhibited in the workroom would get him fired from ANY job in any industry, not just any fashion house.

--GothamTomato


"Anon said: Nobody wants to do business with an asshole.

Having seen enough assholes in my life, I can assuredly say that if the asshole is going to make the client money or more beautiful, the client will put up with it."




But if it was just about him being an asshole to Angela's mother, it would have been, if not forgotten, at least forgiven. But it wasn't. It's not like Christian with the difficult prom girl.

With Jeffrey it is a pattern. It is him. There were too many instances where he joyfully went out of his way to be ignorantly nasty: Repeatedly bullying Angela, telling Laura he hoped she gets cancer, refering to women as 'femi-nazis', and on and on.

It isn't just that he couldn't get along with this one client. It is him.

--GothamTomato


@GothamTomato

"isn't just that he couldn't get along with this one client. It is him.--GothamTomato"

Just playing devil's advocate for the sake of discussion...I loved SweetP. Has her personality helped her business? I realize when you get to the level of Marc Jacobs or Michael Kors that you have to be likable so you can be marketable but for the lower and middle end mass market RTW designers does personality mean that much or does your boss/financial backer just want the finished product?

TampaBay


"tampabay said: Just playing devil's advocate for the sake of discussion...I loved SweetP. Has her personality helped her business?"




No, because she came across as overwhelmed and out of her league. She display no talent or abilities whatsoever.

--GothamTomato


Laura did the right thing, it's a competition, if it's OK to question having books in your room, why not question if ALP actually did all the work?


Anonymous said...

I still can't believe Jeffrey didn't get booted for that mom-dress.


Yup, you could say the same about Vincent's basket fiasco or even Wendy and her carnival lollipop; the season and the results would've been completely different.


Gotham Tomato said "I'd also add that the mysogynistic, bullying behavior that Jeffrey exhibited in the workroom would get him fired from ANY job in any industry, not just any fashion house."

You've obviously never spent any time in a big law firm.


IMHO Jeffery has not ascended to the heights that one would think a PR winner who wanted to be a BIG TIME designer or live style guru would ascend to. This is very different from Chloe who I do not believe wanted to a big time designer such as the three "M"s.

I think Jeffrey is getting paid back for all he has done.

TampaBay


Tampa Bay said:
IMHO Jeffery has not ascended to the heights that one would think a PR winner who wanted to be a BIG TIME designer or live style guru would ascend to. This is very different from Chloe who I do not believe wanted to a big time designer such as the three "M"s.

I think Jeffrey is getting paid back for all he has done.

TampaBay

8/15/09 10:58 AM

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I could not agree more. Jeffrey would be the LAST person I would want to design anything for me. I would much rather deal with Santino or even (gasp) Wendy Pepper!


Both Wendy and Santino would be great custom designers because if you told them what you wanted they would have NO PROBLEM being PAID to do exactly what you want. On top of this, there is no question that Wendy Pepper can execute a design flawlessly. Like Ms. Pepper or not, the bitch can sew!

TampaBay


StkrShock said...

Anonymous 10:38PM said:
StkrShock said...
I don't care how miserable Angela's Mom was, Jeffrey was at the hilt of his evil Peanut persona with her. She was a client, and any of us that have worked in the fashion industry (or ANY industry, for that matter), KNOW that we HAVE to work with miserable clients.

But the show isn't about client relations, it's about fashion design. If the challenge was about client relations, Robert would have been in the top two or three instead of being shown the door on that episode.
-----------
But of course the show IS about client relations as well as design.
How often have we seen guest clients as well as guest judges tip the scales because of their likes and dislikes? The Peanut was WRONG. Maybe that's why we don't hear as much about him as we do other designers from the show who have done mighty well for themselves. Customer service these days is PARAMOUNT, period. There are upscale and not so upscale stores I will not shop in because of just one bad experience with customer service. Same for businesses who provide other services
.

Sorry, but if it's obviously not a huge, influencing factor in the judging, you can't claim the show is "about it as well." Most of the challenges aren't client-based anyway, so...fail. And I find it strange what everybody is defining as "businesses." Most of them do not involve sitting one-on-one with a single client and making them as happy as possible. Especially for a fashion designer. It's just not the way things are run. Life is not a PR episode. Sorry.


Can someone please telling me why women can't be assholes simply by dint of their having pushed babies out of their vaginas? I know plenty of moms who are irrational, raging bitches. I would probably not put Angela's mom in that category, and I'm not excusing Jeffrey's behavior entirely...I just think it's hilarious that everyone's acting like "Oh, Jeffrey's wrong, 'cause she's a MOM!" What on Earth is all of that about? They filmed her talking to Angela about what she should say to the judges! Say what you want about Angela defending her mom, a conversation like that is clearly inappropriate and going to look like sabotage, whether or not Angela meant it that way. Jeffrey was rude before that, and an asshole after...but oh, Darlene gets a free pass because she has children. (Uh, so does Jeffrey? "He's a DAD! He can do no wrong!" Lol sound ridiculous? Yeah. Exactly.)


I thought it was obvious that nothing will come out of the Jeffrey's cheating scandel. Nothing could be proven and the issue of the receipts not matching up has never been a big deal because it happened every season (Kara S was over budget and so was Chloe). Even though he has an odious personality and Uli deserved to win, I was glad the judges never took his personality or that phoney cheating scandel into consideration when they made him the winner.


@ ricki lake

rl, I think this whole "mom" episode was played for nothing but drama. I think ALP was purposely given Angela's mom because she was not his type of client and the producers knew he would explode. Angela's mom was also not PPS's type of client but PPS is really a good dude and would have come up with something for her just as did on the prom dress challenge. IMHO both MR. ALP Head Person and Angela's mom were viciously used by PR producers to produce high drama. ALP Head person sign up for this show and knew what he was getting into but Angela's mom probably did not know what she was getting into. My question is...why would Angela even allow her mom to participate?

TampaBay

8/15/09 11:54 AM


Yes, Jeffrey can often be a dick, but watching that season as it happened he reminded me of a relative who was also a recovering alcoholic. Dry drunks are not pleasant people to deal with, but it is part of the process to their recovery. I was willing to cut him some slack then, and I've never actually understood the depth of hate for him.

As for Mom-gate, I really, really hate passive aggressive people who play the victim to get what they want, and it's what both Angela and her mother were doing the entire episode. If I had been in Jeffrey's situation, I would have no doubt flipped my shit too after all of that whining. I simply cannot handle it and choose not to deal with those type of people. He really wasn't given the option of not working with her.


GothamTomato
8/15/09 9:37 AM "tampabay said: Just playing devil's advocate for the sake of discussion...I loved SweetP. Has her personality helped her business?"


No, because she came across as overwhelmed and out of her league. She display no talent or abilities whatsoever.

--GothamTomato



That comment is just flat-out ridiculous.

It's one thing if you don't like her, fine and good. However, to say she had no talent carries no basis. She's proved a few times that she does on the show.


You all know that I like Jeffrey and can't stand Laura.

Keith - arrogantly bad judgment, absolutely deserved the boot.

Angela's Mom - A tragedy, from Jeffrey's point of view. Remember that he was unfortunate enough to get the very last pick. Everybody else had taken the slimmer moms and the ones who hadn't borne and raised ANGELA. This was a woman who was really fat and was PICKED LAST ON NATIONAL TV. And Jeffrey wasn't the chatty, hand-holding, soothing type. So you just knew there was going to be a Class A disaster, and that the ever practical Jeffrey would choose turning in a passable garment over letting Angela's mom fatally waste his time. That has to rank as the single most unfortunate personality pairing of any PR episode, even if it did create cinematic gold for the producers.

Laura - I agree with TLo, she should have spoken to Jeffrey first before tattling on him. It certainly would have been more considerate and decent than trying to smear him as a cheater on national tv behind his back. Her later comment that she was ok with the result because she didn't want to compete in the accountant's office but rather on the runway with him was just bullshait. She didn't have a clue about the budget overage when she began her dirty little campaign to have him disqualified.

Interestingly, we did see the apparently obsessive competitiveness that simmered under surface when Laura got seriously bent out of shape during the episode when Victor and Angela were given a second chance. Remember, she got so unnerved by two more people being let back into the competition that it drove her to tears of frustration and insecurity, sobbing to Tim that she didn't know if she could do it. I'm not surprised that it got the better of her in the finale. I was disappointed for Jeffrey, though, who had clearly put a lot of thought and heart into his collection. And what did Laura pick on? That Jeffrey had BOUND SEAMS in a contrast fabric. Criminy, I've seen accomplished home sewers blog about doing that type of thing. It's just time-consuming to do it well. Jeffrey chose to spend his time on those classy little touches, rather than spending weeks and weeks sewing on thousands of crystals and pearls, is all.

Also, remember that Laura was a self-taught sewist and Jeffrey already had some commercial success. In what part of her brain, exactly, did she think that Jeffrey was somehow not allowed to have mastered some pretty nifty sewing techniques and finishing details as a successful commercial designer to rock stars? Or not be capable of doing them, just becaus he had never previously included them on a competition garment due to lack of time in the short challenges?

This was a woman whose go-to garment in the episodes was a simple shift (not even princess seams) with simple neckline variations and the occasional sleeve. Jeffrey had turned out complex and distinctive looks every single time. When Tim Gunn worriedly advised Laura not to keep doing the same look, her response was to instead double down to "do what I do" as well as she possibly could. (Which, as far as we could tell, just meant using a better quality lace for the same silhouette and sewing yet even more hanging things from it. Or, in Paris, recreating her "For Nuts Only" v-neck sack in velvet, this time full length and with long sleeves and white ruffled trim.) What planet was she living on, exactly, that she thought her sewing skills to be superior to his?

Laura acted like a total {bleep} to Jeffrey in her competitiveness. Her career as a clothing designer seems not to have taken off and IMO she got what she deserved.

BUT, that said, her true talent and, -- pick your teeth up off the floor here -- what I DO admire about her, was on display during the season for us to see - her hilariously dry wit and biting sarcasm. I think she'll be quite successful on tv and with her book(s?) if she gives full voice to that side of herself. I wish her luck in those endeavors.


Anonymous said...

Having seen enough assholes in my life, I can assuredly say that if the asshole is going to make the client money or more beautiful, the client will put up with it. Hell... isn't that TV show, "House", all about an asshole and that's been on for years (yes, I realize it's just a TV show but people are obviously watching a lot of asshole action going on and voluntarily tuning into it).



Having worked with my fair share of assholes in my lifetime, I can say that if you are the customer, you have a say who you want to do your work and who you don't. I'm not going to settle for someone treating me like shit because if their reputation. Since when does the customer lack the power to take a stand?


And I don't care if Angela's mom was a pain. Granted, I think she probably was, but nobody's calling my mother a bitch. Not while they are around ME, if they know what's good for them.


Starlite
8/15/09 11:32 AM StkrShock said...
And I find it strange what everybody is defining as "businesses." Most of them do not involve sitting one-on-one with a single client and making them as happy as possible. Especially for a fashion designer. It's just not the way things are run. Life is not a PR episode. Sorry



And most businesses dosen't involve people hiring someone to have them insult and berate them to their faces, either. So I don't know what is your idea of business.


Anonymous at 2:29 said: Having worked with my fair share of assholes in my lifetime, I can say that if you are the customer, you have a say who you want to do your work and who you don't. I'm not going to settle for someone treating me like shit because if their reputation. Since when does the customer lack the power to take a stand?


When the "customer" isn't a real customer, isn't paying for the work, and is participating in a reality show competition with a short-fuse deadline, that's when.

You're right, if you're paying out hard-earned cash to a designer for a custom-made outfit, then the designer should take the time to listen to what you want. If it really isn't what the designer does or cares to do, the designer could always gracefully bow out of taking on the assignment. But the Project Runway designers had no such option and, moreover, they had a scrunch of a deadline to meet.

Plus, you just knew that fireworks would erupt. If Kayne, for example, had gotten her in the last pick, he would have assumed the role of designer/therapist, fussing and chatting with Angela's mom, putting her at ease while keeping up a nonstop running commentary - that was just his style. Jeffrey had a different style. "Ok, I'll go buy the fabric. [one-day pause] Ok, it's done."

Just bad luck all around.


Ladies, Let's all go have a big fat cocktail!

TampaBay


the problem with the mom challenge is that the designers only had one day to construct their garments. as a plus size gal myself, the clothes that are the most flattering on me are clothes that are fitted with a lot of seaming. verticle stripes also make a person look longer and leaner. putting larger clothes on a larger woman just makes her look even bigger- which is why i HATED uli's poncho (yes i know i'm in the minority with that opinion). there was no time for the designers to construct a truly flattering outfit for their plus size clients.


"ricki said: Uh, so does Jeffrey? "He's a DAD! He can do no wrong!" Lol sound ridiculous? Yeah."





Yeah. But he DID play that card himself - as well as the victim card. Tried to soften his image by claiming to be oh so caring about girlfriend & baby (whom he reportedly left soon after); and tried to claim je was abandoned by his father, or something like that (which I've heard isn't true either). So it works both ways, and didn't work.

I don't see anyone saying that Darlene was less wrong because she is a mom: Only that she is Angela's mom, (ie; a relation of a fellow designer/competitor), and questioning what Angela's reaction should have been. Jeffrey isn't an asshole because Darlene is a mom. He's an asshole because he treated any client, anyone the way he did. Period.

--GothamTomato


I still maintain that ANY business, be it in the fashion industry, or the waste management industry, MUST have excellent customer relations to survive.
The Peanut was insufferable the entire season. Would anyone really want to deal with him? He may have designed some great clothes, but they became as ugly as his personality.
No one is going to change my mind about the fact that customer service is paramount in ANY business, period.


Gotham Tomato said regarding Jeffrey "Yeah. But he DID play that card himself - as well as the victim card. Tried to soften his image by claiming to be oh so caring about girlfriend & baby (whom he reportedly left soon after)"

I read somewhere that he left his girlfriend for one of the models on the show.


potty mouth princess

Uli SORT of agreed about Jeffrey's collection. Remember, she went up to the racks and said something (don't remember the exact quote) to the effect of "it's not perfectly done." But Uli was never one to take sides; she was always more of a peacemaker and in this case, she was probably trying to avert and out and out war.

Heidi's quote about Jeffrey's look during the All Stars challenge was priceless. Clearly, she can't stand the guy. She's in good company.


MouseAnony
8/15/09 3:06 PM Anonymous at 2:29 said: Having worked with my fair share of assholes in my lifetime, I can say that if you are the customer, you have a say who you want to do your work and who you don't. I'm not going to settle for someone treating me like shit because if their reputation. Since when does the customer lack the power to take a stand?


When the "customer" isn't a real customer, isn't paying for the work, and is participating in a reality show competition with a short-fuse deadline, that's when.


Yeah, yeah, yeah I'm aware of that. And I agreed that Angela's mother was a whiny pain. But considering that this behavior was a pattern with Jeffrey, something which he is still unrepetant about, still dosen't make it right.

It's one thing to be agitated with a client, its another to be downright beligerent and uncivil. And maybe the mess was edited, it still didn't justify his behavior.

And I don't believe that no potential client would have seen that and had NO preconceived notion about what they may run up against if they decided to take them on.


Season 3's probably my favorite season by far, but these little moments were still massively uncomfortable to watch. What a disaster Mom-gate was, sartorially and otherwise.

I'm surprised Vincent didn't make the list, though! That little out-take of him from the reunion show where he's going ballistic over laundry definitely was craziness far past Wendy Pepper's level ...


Sewing Siren said:


"[stuff cut] . . . but Rami was such a tight ass perfectionist I can't imagine that he would let someone hang one of his PR garments on the hanger for him, much less sew the entire thing."

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You know how sometimes someone articulates perfectly something you hadn't quite, yourself? S.S., I always was a little bugged by Rami, and that impression of him is exactly why.


As far as Jeffrey being an asshole, I live in upstate NY, near where Rachel Ray went to high school, and I have yet to meet one person who has something nice to say about her. She is a complete and total asshole to everyone around her, a real b*tch on wheels. And she is VERY successful.


Though Keith was a creepy one, I would have enjoyed seeing his work. Kara Saun and Jeffrey got to cheat with impunity (go over budget), why not Keith?

I cannot stand Jeffrey, but I thought he handled himself better than Angela and her mother.

Angela's mother was whiny and did not express what she wanted to Jeffrey. Jeffrey then preceded to be blunt with her and make her cry. I thought her tears were unwarranted, but if that were my mother and I saw that Jeffrey made her cry, I would not have handled it by planning a sabotage in front of the judges behind a fitting screen. After Angela tried to use her mother's pain for her own gain at elimination she became a much worse person than Jeffrey was.

Regarding Jeffrey and whether he had help with sewing collection I have always felt it was irrelevant as he bascially designed things I could have easily purchased at Nana's in Santa Monica in 1989, right around the time Jeffrey was probably shopping there too. There was nothing original in his final collection, that zipper dress had been done 15 years earlier in black and white with red zippers as trim. Jeffrey is a poser.

I thought that it was common knowledge that Chloe's sisters helped sew her final collection and that is why the producers didn't really do any real investigating of the actual charge that Laura made.

It was Chloe wasn't it?


Man. Jeffrey.
Never liked that guy. He made nice rock-n-roll pants and jackets, but his dresses all looked the same to me — the zipper dress, the recycling dress, the Elle First Look dress — the same halter tops every time. Now that business casual sack dress he made for Angela's mom? Now THAT was different at least.
But yeah, his "rock-n-roll" attitude sucks and I'm not-so-impressed with his designs.


Anonymous
8/15/09 10:38 PM As far as Jeffrey being an asshole, I live in upstate NY, near where Rachel Ray went to high school, and I have yet to meet one person who has something nice to say about her. She is a complete and total asshole to everyone around her, a real b*tch on wheels. And she is VERY successful.

That's because she presents herself as a quirky, cheerful little angel on the television. Jeffrey didn't. And believe you me, she has a great audience on the internet that have dedicated her life to hating her guts, including Anthony Bourdain who has taken on this movement.


There is no such thing as Bad Publicity.

TampaBay


Being a mom doesn't give anyone the right to get away with being utterly ridiculous and unhelpful. Not that I think Jeffrey should have called her a bitch, but Angela's mom was absolutely the initial source of tension.


In regards to Darlene being a mother:
No, I don't think she deserved any special treatment because of that, but in general if you come in contact with a co-workers mother (even if it is someone you do not like) you would be civil and respectful of their mother.
Laura Bennnett had Jeffrey's mother as her client, and she treated her repectfully.
None of the mothers or sisters were particularly forthcoming with ideas for the garments. And Jeffrey along with Robert did draw the short straw, but Robert did at least please the client, if not the judges and that's something.

In regards to assholes at work:
I've worked with and for plenty who treat their subordinates and co-workers rudely at crunch time. But when clients or buyers are present the butter melts in their mouth, if you know what I mean.


"That's because she presents herself as a quirky, cheerful little angel on the television. Jeffrey didn't."




Yep. Lots of celebrities who seem nice on TV are assholes in real life. But the main difference with Jeffrey is he is so arrogant & stupid, and enamoured with his own very limited talent, that he actually believed that treating women in such a consistantly mysogynistic manner would gain him some sort of stardom. He clearly never gave a thought to the reality that the women with money to spend aren't going to want to spend it with an asshole like him.

His kind of obnixious behavior might give him a career as a morning zoo sidekick, but not as a designer of women's fashion.

--GothamTomato


"Sewing Siren said: In regards to assholes at work:
I've worked with and for plenty who treat their subordinates and co-workers rudely at crunch time. But when clients or buyers are present the butter melts in their mouth, if you know what I mean."




Exactamundo.

--GothamTomato


"That comment is just flat-out ridiculous.
It's one thing if you don't like her, fine and good. However, to say she had no talent carries no basis. She's proved a few times that she does on the show."




I don't think it's ridiculous at all. I never saw SweetP display any talent or abilities beyond that of a basic home sewer. And on the contrary, I'd say that those who like her are basing that on her personality, or relatability - not any ability that she demonstrated on the show.

--GothamTomato


Kim said:

Dry drunks are not pleasant people to deal with, but it is part of the process to their recovery. I was willing to cut him some slack then, and I've never actually understood the depth of hate for him.
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Oh Please. Excusing dry drunk behavior because it part of the "process to their recovery" is pure BS. That isn't a license to be prick. Besides, his recovery is his own problem. The guy is a misogynist a$$. No one was given the option of not working with their client. He was absolutely unprofessional.
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To add to Anonymous who responded to Gotham Tomato (who said) "I'd also add that the mysogynistic, bullying behavior that Jeffrey exhibited in the workroom would get him fired from ANY job in any industry, not just any fashion house."

You've obviously never spent any time in a big law firm.
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(Or small law firms!)
I agree with GT that Jeffrey is a misogynistic bully. HOWEVER, misogynistic bullying behavior is alive and well in ALL industries.

Good for Laura for calling him out. Good for Kayne for calling out Keith. (I don't believe he "hooked up" with Keith).

Can't wait for PRS6!

LAK


"I agree with GT that Jeffrey is a misogynistic bully. HOWEVER, misogynistic bullying behavior is alive and well in ALL industries."




Yes, when it is underground and the targets cannot come forward for fear of losing their paychecks. But when it is as blantant and open as Jeffrey's, then it is dealth with. People get fired, and companies get sued, for much less all the time.

--GothamTomato


GothamTomato said...

"I agree with GT that Jeffrey is a misogynistic bully. HOWEVER, misogynistic bullying behavior is alive and well in ALL industries."




Yes, when it is underground and the targets cannot come forward for fear of losing their paychecks. But when it is as blantant and open as Jeffrey's, then it is dealth with. People get fired, and companies get sued, for much less all the time
.

Yeah, and a lot of people openly get away with it too, all the time. Most assholes I know don't go to great lengths to hide it, and they're all still employed. Go figure, 'cause the real world isn't fucking kindergarten where everything is fair and the bullies get punished.


GothamTomato
8/16/09 11:46 AM "That comment is just flat-out ridiculous.
It's one thing if you don't like her, fine and good. However, to say she had no talent carries no basis. She's proved a few times that she does on the show."




I don't think it's ridiculous at all. I never saw SweetP display any talent or abilities beyond that of a basic home sewer. And on the contrary, I'd say that those who like her are basing that on her personality, or relatability - not any ability that she demonstrated on the show.

--GothamTomato



Another ridiculous comment. You're implying that people only thought that she has talent because she's likable? Not very nice to lump everyone in that category.

On the flipside, does this mean that every designer you thought was talented based on the fact that you liked them?

I thought that Christian, Keith (s.3)and even Jerry Tam had talent,
even though I wasn't their biggest fans.

Sweet P did have her moments where she shined, and even managed to save the ass of Golden Boy Rami when he was being a douche. Plus, I don't think that judges like Tim, Laura and Mychael would have let her onto the show if she didn't have some sort of talent or ability.

You're more blinded by your dislike for her more than anything. You don't like Sweet P, fine. That's your opinion. But its an unfair assessment that she has no talent. Its even more unfair that you've branded those who like her as having some sort of stigma.


(Re: going to Jeffrey first - seems rather silly. He's obviously going to deny it, and I don't see how her just flat-out saying "I am going to Tim about this" is going to lead to anything but a huge fight for the cameras...still followed by the investigation.)

I have to agree with this, and disagree with TLo. (sorry guys, love you!) When you accuse someone of cheating, you do not tell the accused. It just doesn't make sense. For one thing, it gives them time to come up with excuses and hide evidence.

Also, an accusation like that has to involve the producers/judges/etc. So talking it over with the accused is pointless, because nothing can come of it. Jeffrey will just make excuses, or there will just be an ugly fight (inevitable considering that it's Jeffrey, after all). Should Kayne have given a heads-up to Keith before going to the producers? No. It would be pointless, if not counter-productive.

I can believe, though, that Laura making the accusation may have given Jeffrey the win. But honestly, I don't really see how he's a true winner in this scenario. Winning PR is great, you get some money and car. But out of all the PR winners, I think Jeffrey has made the least of the opportunity.

He can brag about winning PR all he wants, and how he gamed the show by "playing the villain," but most people just remember him for being a giant asshole. And I guess it's just me, but being known primarily as a lying asshole ... is not a good thing. And it's not like Jeffrey has an abundance of genius talent enough to overcome that.

It's a lot like Wendy Pepper's Pyrrhic victory of making it to the finals. She did it at the cost of becoming a famously hateful bitch. Not worth it, if you ask me.

I mean, seriously. Don't you guys think it's funny that the best defense for Jeffrey that anyone can come up with is, "Assholes can be successful, too!" Yeah, I suppose that's technically possible. But if that's the nicest thing anyone could find to say in my defense, that would make me incredibly sad, and I would seriously have to rethink my life priorities.


Lori said:
I mean, seriously. Don't you guys think it's funny that the best defense for Jeffrey that anyone can come up with is, "Assholes can be successful, too!" Yeah, I suppose that's technically possible. But if that's the nicest thing anyone could find to say in my defense, that would make me incredibly sad, and I would seriously have to rethink my life priorities.

8/16/09 5:22 PM

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I could not agree with you more!!
Applause!!!!


To clarify Mom-gate, I think that the part that makes the difference is that Jeffrey treated her so badly in front of her kid.

I know how my Mom can be, I know she is not always the easiest or the most pleasant person to deal with in certain situations - but if someone comes at her with me there, it doesn't matter - she is still my Mom and I'll always defend her

Also the "he's somebody's father" thing? Father's traditionally providers and can take care of themselves. I would have gone at Jeffrey with claws and teeth for that type of behavior with my Mom, not so with my Dad -- because my Dad would have already popped him one in the mouth.


"You're implying that people only thought that she has talent because she's likable? Not very nice to lump everyone in that category."





Erm, just following your line of 'logic'. You're the one who brought likeability into the equasion by claiming that the reason I think SweetP demonstrated no talent or ability was because I don't like her (your theory). So following your thread, if that were true, then you'd have to also say that those who think she did have talent only thought that because they do like her.

You seem to be trying to say that if someone doesn't think SweetP was talented, it's because they don't like her. But if they do think she has talent, that they like her has nothing to do with it. You can't have it both ways.

There was just nothing there beyond a basic home sewer who was out of her depth in that competition.

--GothamTomato


My favorite quote of all time:

Honey, I don't know what you're packing -- balls or va-jay-jay.

My most poignant scene:

Hapless Starr, when aufed, sobbed in abject grief and would not exit the runway.


Jeffrey: "She gave me a lot of mixed messages. She wanted a long dress, she wanted something she could wear out, she also wanted something that was formal...I mean, it was a mess what this woman wanted."
Yes Jeff/ALP - LONG, FORMAL, to WEAR for an evening OUT - she was so demanding and what a mess??? WTF

To all of you who complain that Angela's mother didn't provide input... So ALP's reaction to not a lot of info is "I'll do ugly and unflattering"????

Angela encouraging her mother TO TELL THE TRUTH - again what a bitch? Most mothers WOULD want to know from their child, how their child wants them to "play things" when they are supposed to be supporting their own family in this kind of situation.

To the poster who said - who doesn't wear blue - I never wear that shade of blue - Navy, and an occasional royal, yes.

Marisha there was no time for the designers to construct a truly flattering outfit for their plus size clients. Sorry but that is (I'll word this as gently as possible) balderdash .

I find it interesting all the people who ripped on Wendy for calling out Kara who now think it is great that Laura caslled out ALP - hypocritical much?


I find it interesting all the people who ripped on Wendy for calling out Kara who now think it is great that Laura caslled out ALP - hypocritical much?

No one ripped on Wendy for calling our Kara Saun (re: shoegate).

There were many reasons to rip on Wendy - this certainly wasn't one of them.

I think even Kara Saun's fans acknowledge that she definitely had a brain-fart trying to pull that shit, and the producers' solution wasn't harsh enough.


ASK said...

Jeffrey: "She gave me a lot of mixed messages. She wanted a long dress, she wanted something she could wear out, she also wanted something that was formal...I mean, it was a mess what this woman wanted."
Yes Jeff/ALP - LONG, FORMAL, to WEAR for an evening OUT - she was so demanding and what a mess??? WTF

To all of you who complain that Angela's mother didn't provide input... So ALP's reaction to not a lot of info is "I'll do ugly and unflattering"????

Angela encouraging her mother TO TELL THE TRUTH - again what a bitch? Most mothers WOULD want to know from their child, how their child wants them to "play things" when they are supposed to be supporting their own family in this kind of situation
.

Anything was going to be ugly and unflattering on Darlene. And not only did Angela "encourage her mother to tell the truth," she was telling her specifically what to say. Sorry, but in the context of a competition, that's not ok. I don't care how many fake tears your drama queen "I'm a victim" mother squeezes out.


GothamTomato
8/16/09 7:11 PM "You're implying that people only thought that she has talent because she's likable? Not very nice to lump everyone in that category."





Erm, just following your line of 'logic'. You're the one who brought likeability into the equasion by claiming that the reason I think SweetP demonstrated no talent or ability was because I don't like her (your theory). So following your thread, if that were true, then you'd have to also say that those who think she did have talent only thought that because they do like her.

You seem to be trying to say that if someone doesn't think SweetP was talented, it's because they don't like her. But if they do think she has talent, that they like her has nothing to do with it. You can't have it both ways.

There was just nothing there beyond a basic home sewer who was out of her depth in that competition.

--GothamTomato



*sigh*

YOU were in fact the one who said that people only thought Sweet P was talented because they liked her. So by my 'logic', I was following yours, m'kay?

I just wrote that I didn't think it was fair to call her talentless, and from looking at your history, its because you didn't like her, not much else. And its fine if you don't. That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it.

And I will repeat this once again, slowly: she proved on several occasions that she did produce several commendable outfits, so I didn't think the talentless comment was warranted.

But okay, I'll let this rest so you can feel superior, sweetie.

Thanks for the convo.


Who won this "Mom" challenge, was it Uli or Vincent?


TampaBay


TampaBay
8/17/09 8:22 AM Who won this "Mom" challenge, was it Uli or Vincent?


TampaBay

Vincent


Yes Lori some people did.

Anon - Anything was going to be ugly and unflattering on Darlene -
Another example of an irrational argument and hate for a large woman. My point was - and *I'll* say it slowly - HIS outfit was UGLY and UNFLATTERING no matter who he was going to put it on. How anyone can claim otherwise is beyond me.


I think this whole challenge for "Mom" was a pieces of crap designed by the produces only to produce 'Stinking" drama.

All of the clients should have been plus size or none of the clients should have been plus size and none of the contestants should have been relatives of the designers.

TampaBay


Anonymous said...

Anything was going to be ugly and unflattering on Darlene. And not only did Angela "encourage her mother to tell the truth," she was telling her specifically what to say. Sorry, but in the context of a competition, that's not ok. I don't care how many fake tears your drama queen "I'm a victim" mother squeezes out.




Didn't Jeffrey end up squeezing out a few drama queen "I'm a victim" tears and take a few dramatic poses (on the window ledge for instance) too? It seems those may have won him the competition.
Jeffrey has claimed that he invented a character to play through out the competiton (which seemed to me to be a spoiled upper middle class adolescent rather than a LA rocker maybe that's the same thing, I don't know). One can hardly blame him for inventing a charactor, because it's very hard to get to the finals on your talent alone. I do think Darlene's tears were more likely to be sincere though, she was humilated (partially due to the way producers set the show up) on national television afterall.


I could have handled the whole Kara Saun thing in five minutes! I would simply have gotten a grocery bag, packed up all those custom shoes and put them in MY CLOSET. LOL! LOL!

Actually, Kara Saun made the right choice with shoe gate because we are still talking about her today five years later. Is anyone really still talking about the class acts such as Daniel V, Chris March and others?

TampaBay


As usual, great choices.

My other favorite thing about Keith was when he came on at the reunion and denied ever being told he couldn't have the books and-AND-the producers knew about them. I think by this point he had thoroughly convinced himself that he'd been wronged. I loved the whole "It's uncomfortable, isn't it?" exchange with Heidi who, clearly, was not the least bit uncomfortable.

One of my other favorites was the deleted scene of Vincent throwing a total shitstorm over his laundry being fluffed and folded. To this day, I don't understand the hubbub but I guess that's irrelevant. Bonus: the PR producer who shows up in the shot wearing a ratty Danzig t-shirt.

And speaking of Vincent, being called on making a-hole comments about other designers to the press at the reunion was a great moment too. Especially since his excuse boiled down to "I wasn't being an asshole. I was just being an asshole."

On a totally different note, will you also mention Malan's aufing? I still get choked up thinking about it altho surely he's gotten the most mileage out of any contestant ever given he was only in 2 or 3 episodes.

Jeffrey should have just gone home for the way he treated Jubilee Jumble's Mom. Wasn't at least part of the competition seeing how well you worked with a client? Yes she was whiny and annoying but that was totally ridiculous behavior on his part. To top it off, the dress looked like something from a convent yard sale.


The true testament to Jeffery being a major asshole, was that HIS MOTHER felt the need to apologize to Darlene for him. Also all of you comment on how much editing there is but talk about the aired footage like it gives us some omnipotent view of the production.

To Anonymous 8/17 7:39 who said "Anything was going to be ugly and unflattering on Darlene." I will admit as a naturally thin female, I often judge how women larger and smaller than me look in their clothes, but you are just nasty. That comment offered nothing more than evidence to your psychosis. TLo Im surprised you were so quick to reprimand the "Dude, I just copied and pasted your post into Word, because this shit will get deleted. (No bad words about Laura) Thanks for the dirt!" comment but not this sizeist nonsense.

I loved a lot of what Jeffery made, and, at the time, was totally routing for his clothes, but I have always thought he cheated. Why did he get so upset and think he could actually be prevented from showing his collection if he had nothing to hide.


What about Allison being kicked off all of a sudden, I thought that was weird.

Also I don't know if you are really Kayne's sister (talking to person claiming to be), but that doesn't mean you know who he did or didn't hook up with late at night in a shower in NY. Also the scenario Ben offered was plausible to me, and even made sense. Why would Kayne all of a sudden turn him in, and why in the footage did it seem like Kayne was the most personally hurt by the situation? Just thoughts....


I'll never understand the people who think that Laura is so great. I'm not a fan of Jeffrey, but that accusation was based on nothing but jealousy. It was childish.


Anonymous
8/17/09 2:13 PM What about Allison being kicked off all of a sudden, I thought that was weird.



Hunh????? Allison was kicked off because she made a hideous outfit, nothing sudden.


Book-gate...I'm indifferent. Keith shouldn't have cheated if he didn't want to get caught. Indignation in that situation is ridiculous.

Mom-Gate was one of those situations that *everyone* could have handled better, and, ultimately produced another garment that should have gotten Jeffrey aufed.

As for the Cheater-Gate, well Laura probably should have said something to Jeffrey first but I can also see why she didn't bother. I applaud her for calling him out on it.

However, one thing that I've always wondered about was the footage of Laura having her talk with Tim: it somehow seemed staged to me, with Laura stifling a grin...I've always wonder if the producers set that up.

My guess is that Jeffrey had one of his staffers do the actual sewing: he had acknowledged having employees that sewed for him, after all, and he would not generate a receipt for the work. I don't think that he did his own sewing, but I don't really care, either. My feeling is that Jeffrey behaved hideously throughout the entire season. If anyone thinks that potential employers or clients didn't notice that crappy attitude, well, think again.

Laura on the other hand had demonstrated throughout the show that she was capable of remaining very focused on her work and could produce some impressive bead work under severe time constraints. Her focus and attitude under pressure set her apart, which is probably whey she continues to get a variety of different offers.

That said, over all, I think Uli was robbed. She had the best collection out of the three, and should have taken home the prize money.


Great post. Lots of thought provoking responses. I wanted to add my two cents.

Bookgate: Just because people were afraid to say something, doesn't mean it's any less wrong. They would have been discovered sooner or later. In this case, it was just sooner. TPTB may have wanted to keep him in for drama, but even they couldn't skirt the rules on this one.

Momgate: My mother isn't a peach. But I'll be damned if someone doesn't treat her right. He was a mean jerk, and Darlene was asking her daughter what to do about it. I don't see anything wrong with that. It doesn't matter if nobody liked Darlene, she was still ALP's client and he had to work with her, and treat her with respect. I really thought Jeffrey's mother coming to talk with her was telling. Like someone always fights his battles for him and makes excuses, just like any addict (or ex-addict in this case).

Sewgate: I really think the little jerk cheated and just paid someone under the table to do his sewing. If Laura thought something was off, she had every right to call him on his sh*t.

All in all, I find it telling that he is having so much trouble after his win, and that he has to go on other reality shows and the All Stars show to make cash. The reason I say this, is because the other All Stars didn't win. I don't think Jeffrey, as a winner, should be allowed to come back.


I asked about Allison, and my reasoning was that I am pretty sure that was her first time in the bottom two, and her excuse was it looked different on the form, which has worked for people in the past, eg. Zolema and the gold dress that showed the models butt. Also I was just thinking, and... I realized that Allison was the first pretty young blonde chic that actually seemed talented, maybe producers though she would step on toes. And for the record I looooooove Heidi!!!!


Cheat-Gate: The bottom line that made me certain Jeffrey cheated is simple: His pure physical reaction when he heard the accusation. We had seen countless examples of his bad attitude and shit-talking throughout the entire season. But when he was told of Laura's belief, did he explode with righteous anger at her unfair accusation? No. He looked like a scared shitless kid. Why? Because he was afraid he'd been CAUGHT. And his meek, nervous behavior throughout the conversation with Tim was completely out of character for him too. If he was innocent, he would have been PISSED.


"Ms Sangrail Said: That said, over all, I think Uli was robbed. She had the best collection out of the three, and should have taken home the prize money."




I'd agree there. She got lost in the sauce. I'd have voted for Uli's to win as well.

--GothamTomato


Okay, I came to despise Jeffrey during Mom-gate, because no one, repeat, NO ONE should EVER take their frustrations with someone out on that person's mother. For that matter, it wasn't manipulative of Angela to tell her mother that she should say she was unsatisfied with the dress, because the dress was ridiculous. Also, if that had been my mother, Jeffrey would have been dead. Finally, Jeffrey had the nerve to start crying and act like it's ALL ABOUT HIM when Robert got kicked off. I went from thinking he was kinds of jerk to loathing him so much that I still have never watched the final episode.

THEN I found out that I actually know Angela's brother, Chris, who was on Flipping Out. He was one of the sweetest guys I knew in college, and at this point, if I saw Jeffrey in the street, I would spit on him. Not only had he messed with a mom, he messed with the mom of a really wonderful person.

I nearly stopped watching this season, because the drama took precedence over the clothes.


Re: Book-gate, I thought Kayne was jealous and threatened by Keith and decided to do something about it. Other contestants have probably stashed pattern books in their closets, Keith got caught. Game over.

Mom-gate... Oh boy! I did think Jeffrey was fairly rude and could have handled it better, but my vote was still with him. That woman got a FAVORABLE edit?! I couldn't stand her -- and I wasn't an Angela fan either, by any means -- and her passive aggressive crying bugged me, big time. And yeah, Angela did encourage her to sink Jeff's ship. He didn't hide his dislike of her, but he never tried to sabotage her. Jeff was fortright, and a recovering alcoholic, and you'd be amazed how many of those have annoying personalities both drunk AND sober. I have several AA's in my family, so I know.

As for Laura's accusation, I don't see why he would've risked it. Is his saying that he worked day and night for months any harder to believe than seeing other finalists with 3 rags and a bunch of sketches 3 weeks before the runway who suddenly show up with a whole collection on D day? Like we haven't seen that time and time again! Project Catwalk, the British version of the show, allows the designers to use sewers and even pattern-makers. This show is about design, not who can sew the best, or the fastest. I think Laura (who I generally like) stank of sour grapes when she made her accusation, and Mikael and Uli were too noodle-spined to tell her: "Put a sock in it, you're going to look ridiculous!"

And SLICE is still going to air PR 6 this year, only not before the fall (probably late September or early October). Nothing's changed, the network is always about 2 months' late airing the new season. It's probably something to do with broadcast rights.


...and her excuse was it looked different on the form, which has worked for people in the past, eg. Zolema and the gold dress that showed the models butt...

Yeah, but Zulema only survived that one because Kristin's (?) Porche bib was even worse.


I think the real shock of this season was the tacky collection Michael made for the finale. It just stunned me more than anything else that happened that season.

And I can see hating Jeffrey for a lot of reasons, but for his tattoos? Really? If you don't like them, okay, but do people really see anyone with such tattoos as such bad people? Wow.


Can people stop using AA as an excuse to be a shithead because it is insulting to the rest of the former alcoholic population that doesn't suck balls.

Did anyone notice the judges comment to jeffery in the all-star challenge about expecting more polished work from him... maybe they remember the impeccable stitching he apparently won for... hmmmmmmm

About Allison:
I don't care how ugly the bib of some other dress, Zolema's model's ass was hanging out in a hooker kind of way, in fact i have seen trannys workin it in the old meat packing district in that "dress" she made, and I still think there was something sudden about Allison's aufing.


on momgate: jeffery is kind of a dick he bears more responsibility as a participant in a contest he signed up for than his client no matter who they were...
Angela's mom was the worst possible client for him and i think anyone who would have gotten her as their client would have been in the bottom 3 easily...
ad this with jeffery's attitude problem and his destructive behavior we all saw him do what we have seen a lot of people do on project runway... they kinda give up and resign themselves to the fact they are gonna fail at this challenge and take the gamble that hopefully someone fails worse than they do and this time he got lucky...
his behavior aside...
consider if angela had gotten jeffery's mother as her client, and the two of them clashed and didn't get along very well together, and jeffery had taken his mom aside and told her to tell the judges how much she didn't like the outfit angela designed for her.
you know what we would all be calling this?
cheater-gate part 1
its a hypothetical, but really that's what this would have been called...

as for cheater-gate...
its really not that hard to believe jeffery took two months to complete his collection and it took Laura two months and two days to complete her collection. which is really what it came down to... after getting back to new york and in front of the cameras they had how much longer to complete their pieces? was that soooo much work that the rest of the designers had to accomplish that it was done in what was it? one day? (i can't remember how much time they actually had after they came back to new york, so someone feel free to correct me on that) but really the accusation of cheating was based on nothing more than a hunch that some of his pieces were sewn well (something that is not at all surprising after you saw jeffery's work space, and the expensive machines he had in it) jeffery may have sent a few pieces down the runway that needed some hotglue (something almost all of them were seen doing at some point in time) but he also had some pretty great pieces that were completed, well made and finished on time...

and if being an asshole is supposedly making jeffery the enemy of everyone then why after 3 years haven't we heard anyone actually provide any real solid evidence of jeffery actually cheating?
once laura spoke up about her suspicions the producers had no choice but to put it in the show, or else the controversy would have been about the cheating cover up of season 3 that the PR producers didn't want to get out...

again, a collection completed in just two months isn't that much harder to believe than an entire collection completed in just two months and one day...





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