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What came first, the chicken or the philosopher?


"Having seen the first round, I know what the judges want now. What they want from me is to combine concept with construction that is very wearable and fashion-forward. "

Hey Malvin! That sounds great! After 5 seasons of obsessive Project Runway viewing, we can tell ya, that's exactly what gets the judges moist. Good for you for figuring it out so early in the game! So, what's your idea for this challenge?

"My concept revolves around the idea of fertility. I'm playing around with images of eggs, birds' nests; basically this look is called 'The Mother Hen.'"

We'll help you pack your things.

We were shocked when we realized he was being auf'd. To be perfectly honest, we had him pegged as one of the finalists.

With two "conceptual" designers auf'd in the first two episodes under the new regime, we have to wonder, does the Bunim/Murray team have a less heavy-handed approach toward influencing the judges than the Magical Elves somewhat infamously did?

After all, in past seasons, designers like Ari and Malvin were usually kept in the game for having a "point of view," which among the more cynical-minded viewers (like us) translated as "keep them in because they're entertaining."

It's possible that B/M is taking a hands-off approach. One of the rumors we heard while this season was in production was that the new producers had "heard the fans' complaints" and were adjusting accordingly. But consider this: the first two challenges out of the gate were as basic as it gets: red carpet and maternity, the dictates of which amounted to "make pretty dresses that women want to wear." It's rare for PR to start out with such basic challenges and both challenges are the kind that traditionally trip up the Lupes and Elisas and Dianas of the show.

So let's talk about his chicken costume.

Model: Valerie Roy

The one thing for which we'll give him credit is that he ditched the hilariously bad jodhpurs idea. Then again, when Tim greets your idea with a "Ohhh, Malvin," can you really be credited with having good instincts?




There's really not a lot to say about this look other than it started from a bad place conceptually and never once stopped along the way to consider both the practical points and the aesthetic ones. In other words, he never once gave a thought to how your average pregnant woman (let alone your, shall we say, above-average pregnant woman in the person of Rebecca Romijn) wants to look.

Nina nailed it when she said she looked like she was wearing a baby sling. Most new mothers will tell you that such things are practically essential to get through the day but we doubt very many of them praise it as a flattering or fashion-forward look. Otherwise, they'd continue to wear them up until their babies graduate high school.

Can we also say we hated that heavy, rough "Jesus of Nazareth" linen that he used?

Furthermore, most pregnant women we know do not want to wear garments that ADD volume to her silhouette, which is what all those folds and twists did.

Sure, from a pure design, pure concept perspective, they're a little interesting and it's worth noting that the judges, Nina in particular, seemed to appreciate them. But Project Runway isn't a "pure design, pure concept" kind of venue. It is a reality television show with fairly structured hoops that the designers have to jump through in order to get a chance at winning a hundred grand. It is, in effect, a high-end game show. It's also in its 6th season, so we have no sympathy for any contestant who doesn't realize that by now.

"One of the best things about this experience is that I've learned how strong I am grounded as a designer, as a philosopher, and as a person."

You know, that's all well and good honey, but it's a lot of hot air. You weren't here to have your philosophies reaffirmed; you were here to win a hundred thousand bucks and get some exposure.


We're being perhaps a little hard on him. You could tell he was shocked and saddened by his auf'ing. Like we said when Ari went home, we're all for bringing your concepts to the table, but you have to understand the milieu in which you're working and adjust yourself accordingly. Too bad for him that he didn't understand that.

"I'm too conceptual for America."

Oh, Jesus. Please go.


Extended Judging Video:


Exit Video:



[Photos: Mike Yarish/myLifetime.com - Videos: myLifetime.com - Screencaps: Projectrungay.blogspot.com]


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Where do you draw the line between "conceptual" and "stupid looking and unflattering" - which was Ari and Malvin turned out. Both the challenges were for dressing celebrities who will be photographed - why in the world would you want your picture taken in an outfit you constantly have to explain? And be embarrassed while explaining it? Well, um, this is about fertility and mother earth and blah, blah, blah.

These outfits get you a ticket straight to Bjork-ville.


It was surprising to see James Pa---Malvin go so early. I also expected to see him go pretty far.

But no woman, pregnant or not, wants to wear a backpack/burlap/shopping bag/blouse.

The outfit was just all around weird, and that's why Mitchell was kept over him. At least his outfit was more realistic, no matter how badly it was made.

I actually thought that there was another entry that could have been a serious contender for the auf, but I won't mention it now (partially because it was so disappointing coming from this designer.)

I'll attack that in the next few entries.


I was worried for him last week when Tim asked if he saw himself as a designer or an artist who designs clothes. While the second can be inspiring and interesting, I think Tim's concern was that it isn't where the show is focused.

When Tim worries about someone, I know there's trouble brewing.


I wasn't that sad to see James-Paul go.


Yes, I laughed out loud at the "too conceptual for America" comment. Puh-leeze!

I doubt ANY woman, ANYWHERE, wants to wear a baby sling before the baby is born.

Sorry, Malvin. Buh-bye.

I am also thinking that the Bunim/Murray production team has decided not to meddle in the judging. And I welcome the change. Get rid of the crazies early. Fine by me.


Looks like she got a sweatshirt, turned it inside out, and fashioned it into a sling with a safety pin.
Horrible. He deserved the Auf.


bitchybitchybitchy

I didn't envision Malvin going home so early in the game, but he did give the judges reason to give him the auf, I'm sorry to say.

It is basically a baby sling, and it isn't flattering.

There was something about Malvin's voice that I enjoyed-somehow it was soothing to listen to him.


"We'll help you pack your things."

Hahahahahahaha. You boys are rolling!


I felt a little bad for him, but when you say shit like "America doesn't get me." you are OUT, buddy.


Anonymous
8/28/09 12:17 PM
I actually thought that there was another entry that could have been a serious contender for the auf, but I won't mention it now (partially because it was so disappointing coming from this designer.)



I forgot to add that it wasn't Ram'on.


"I'm so forward that there aren't even words for the clothes I design"

Built in baby-sling?

Like our lovely Lin-Lo stated last week, "You can make all ya want, but someone's gonna have to want to buy it."


He did think a little bit about the realities of pregnancy by creating an adjustible bust, but the end result was just too unflattering. Be as conceptual as you want, but it also has to look good.

That being said, I would have preferred to see Mitchell go. At least Malvin's garment was well-constructed. Actually, a double elinination wouldn't have bothered me.


Anonymous said...

Where do you draw the line between "conceptual" and "stupid looking and unflattering" -



I agree, everything ugly under the sun gets labeled "too conceptual" please you designed a crappy garment, admit it.


He's season 6's Malan!


Lauren T. said...

He's season 6's Malan!



I don't get it.


Aw, my little Rufio. We shall miss him. And his little philosopher ways ...


I hate Mitchell, so I wanted him to go. They were like well Mitchell had a better concept. What concept? Trashy shorts and tank top with an ugly sweater? And then he couldn't execute that basic "concept".
I knew Malvin was going home, because what he made was ridiculous. But at least he had a creative (bad) idea and executed it the way he wanted.
I felt sad for him. Until he said his "I'm too conceptual for America" line. Then I just crossed by fingers that next week would be Mitchell's week to go.


I RANTED and RAVED through the entire show that he'd BETTER go home. It's not that his clothes were bad - (although this week it made me ralph) but the whole, "America doesn't get me", "there are no words in the vocabulary of the angels for my art" (ok I made that one up) just grated on my last nerve!

You made a dress the first week with pleats. Made (AGAIN) out of ye holy sandpaper, and this week you made a SLING. Get off your dang philosophical high horse and make something more mainstream WITH your own touches.

Stop. Just...stop. If he had made something amazing and was sent home, it would've been a travesty. But I could have draped fabric over a pregnant belly (over a black tank top) and thrown a couple of stitches in there. And I can't sew to save my life.

We get it. You're better than us. Just go be better than us somewhere else.


Horrible "outfit" it looks like she overslept and got stuck to her hammock.


"I'm too conceptual for America."

Okay, and three of the judges are not American, so.....?


junior_goddess
8/28/09 12:24 PM "I'm so forward that there aren't even words for the clothes I design"

Built in baby-sling?


Kangaroo Chic.

That's what's hot in the streets,now.


Can we also say we hated that heavy, rough "Jesus of Nazareth" linen that he used?

BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You boys make my day.


He seems to like that rough linen look. His red carpet dress appeared to be made of the same "high concept" material.

Yeah, this was bad, really bad. But I preferred it to Mitchell's horrible Motherhood Maternity rejects — they were more geared for the RTW aspect of The Fashion Show.


While I am certainly no big supporter, I did like the linen, it could have looked great and added structure if he would have used it better.

Can't say as I disagree with the assessment that you should know where you're at and what you signed up for. However, I've seen other shows where there are enough people who are clueless that it no longer surprises me.


"Can we also say we hated that heavy, rough "Jesus of Nazareth" linen that he used?"


ROFLMAO.


I'm disappointed. I was expecting a lot more from him. Oh, well.


That 'too conceptual for America' comment was just too much. Yes, he was totally trying to make himself feel better by citing the fact that he's a misunderstood genius artist and it comes off as completely ridiculous and delusional.

I was interested in seeing his point of view from his bio and his fashion icon being 'Chinese farmers' and such...

Sweetie, your problem wasn't that you're too conceptual for America. Your problem is that your concept was crap.


Remember when we were watching "The Fashion Show" and we kept saying James-Paul was on the wrong show? How a conceptual designer like him would be much more successful on "PR"? Yeah, apparently we were wrong.

And I disagree about him being at least entertaining. This guy is BORING. Everything he said was in this quiet, whispery voice and he talked so slow I could go to the bathroom before he finished a sentence. Not to mention everything he said was waaaay too precious.

But he's very young and I bet if you give him a few years out in the real world he really could become a little more grounded because he sure ain't right now.


Maybe it's just because we only had him for 2 weeks, but aside from the head-up-the-ass "conceptual" crap, he did seem like a much more likable person than JP on TFS.

But holy carp on a cracker that was a hot mess.


Can I defend Malvin's "too conceptual for America" statement? Because it doesn't have to be taken as an insult. The judges (and comments) last night prove the point that we want clothes that have to be wearable in some way. His design, however, was too conceptual, to the detriment of its execution and wearability.

I get why people get pissed off about that comment, and I definitely get why Malvin went home, but I do think what he said is true in a way.


Looking back - it's quite telling that when Tim spoke of getting rid of "coocoo" the camera flashed right on Malvin.

Moral of the story: An Egg Nest will not earn you Nest Egg.

And TLo - your illustation is adorable!


Seeing the extended judging vid, I was a little surprised by the aufing, because there were things about the look they really did like. AND, like Louise, he built in room for expansion, which was impressive.

I also liked that Malvin did listen to Tim in both episodes -- that the image of himself he carries around in his head didn't prevent him from accepting advice or criticism.

All that said, he seems like a nice guy, and if he stops telling himself he's the second coming, and accepts that he's still young and has a lot to learn (which isn't a bad thing, after all). . . there's hope for him.


And just keep going.

From the start, I knew this was the look that would get sent home.

First baby, I wanted cute clothes but they were either way too expensive or they were just plain ugly.

Second baby, I had cute little dresses that made me feel special and happily pregnant and pretty.

This thing? I wouldn't have worn it even if it had been given to me. Nor would I have worn Mitchell's. Yikes!


"Can we also say we hated that heavy, rough "Jesus of Nazareth" linen that he used?"

AND

"Oh Jesus, Please go!"

I am glad you are finding religion today TLo!

You have provided some wonderful Friday guffaws!


Can we PLEASE get a screenshot of him lurking in the curtains eating that apple?


Oh wait - I see - this is really
functional. When the baby is born you can just whip off the sling -
use it as a receiving blanket -
sling the kid over your shoulder and be good to go!


C'est moi, c'est moi Lola

Boys, you did it this time - I was laughing even before I read your take on the aufing. Nice pic for the post!

I have to say, I thought Malvin would squeak through to the next round on the 'point of view' BS we usually get.

Maybe the choice of fabric and concept doomed it from the start, but I'd love to hear your take on Mitchell's garment. IMO, any one of the bottom three could have went on this challenge. From "egg" to "bowling ball bag" to just plain FUGLY.

"Too conceptual for America"? Oh lordy, that sounds exactly like what Duchess was talking about last week: 'Am I smart enough to get it?'

Indeed I am: you're owut!


Not only is he too conceptual for America, but, according to his exit interview, his clothes "aren't meant to be worn". Huh?

I think he gave the wrong answer last week when Tim asked him if he wanted to be a designer, or an artist who made clothes.


Oye Malvin "too conceptual for America" hahaha so would Canada, Mexico, GB, Russia, Poland, Germany "get you"? Well then, please go!

He he called himself a Philosopher - HERE IS A PHILOSOPHY - make something wearable and/or pretty!

I'm beginning to get a big head. I knew that Ari and Malvin were going to produce crap and I thought Shirin, Gordana, and Irina were going to create pretty clothes. What I do not know is whether ugly and interesting will win over consistently pretty and well made - since these judges sometimes call them boring.

Think about design in other places - I would not invest large amounts of money in ghastly drapes or furniture - Yes I want SOME creativity but well made and ATTRACTIVE.


As out there and fugly as Malvin's outfit was, I still think Mitchell should have gone home.

Last week, Mitchell gets to stay, given a chance to redeem himself after the see-through caftan fiasco and THIS is what he sends down the runway? The causal look from the Paris Hilton Crack-ho Maternity Line?!?!? Epic fail.

They should have sent Mitchell home and give Malvin a chance, after being in the bottom two, to see if he could produce something less conceptual. He probably would have failed and been sent home, but he still deserved the chance.


Anon 12:27 made a great catch on the "too conceptual for America" when Anon noted that THREE of the judges weren't from the USA.

He wasted fabric.....very un-Chinese peasant farmer-ish.


Amy Sez..
Altho Malvin's "nobody gets me" schtick was annoying, Mitchell is waaaay more irritating. He is all talk...Mr. 'I love pressure" then caves on the first challenge. Then blaming it on the model. Then this week, he steals Logans model. Dude...its not the models..its you. You can't sew. He'll be gone next week.


Thank goodness he's gone. Not only were his designs awful, but I got annoyed every time I saw him. All I wanted to do was rip that thing out of his hair and take away his I'm-so-ironic glasses that my dad wore in the '80s. And that's just for appearing on screen. I can't even mention my thoughts when he opened his mouth. At least Elisa was blissfully unaware; Ari and Malvin were putting us on.


But did you guys see the screen cap of his drawing? Webbed feet!! Webbed, yellow feet!!!

I said to my daughter, "Is he hoping to find flippers on the Macy's accessory wall?"


Pregnancy is not conceptual art project. Why dress the belly like some sort of fertility fetish when the fertility part is pretty much covered? The worst part was how lumpy and bumpy his model looked. I've been pregnant twice and I always had a tough time finding clothes that were flattering. I ended up sewing most of my own clothes because I couldn't find anything that didn't make me look lumpy and bumpy. Just because you want to create art doesn't mean you have to make ugly-ass stuff.


I'm tired of the words "conceptual", "philosophical","forward".
What the Poultry Philosopher designed was pure ugliness. No redeeming value, whatsoever. I'm no designer, but I could run down to JoAnns and pick up some ugly faux linen fabric, twist it up, throw in some feathers and a pair of black ugly pants, sling it under a poor preggers lady's tummy and call it "forward and conceptual".
I figured TPTB would keep him around a while longer (ala Blayne) if just for the laughable entertainment value. After all, they got rid of the first laugher last week.


I had him pegged from last weeks show as being a quick aufed person. But I really thought this week it would be Mitchell. His week is next week.


Pity they didn't take them all to a farm and start the season with a "make an outfit from feathers and a burlap sack" challenge. The boy would have OWNED that one.


The key word is "beauty" even if you want to design a chicken costume it has to be beautiful and well made, this wasn't no matter how you slice it.


No way. I call MORE producer manipulation on this auf'ing, because of Models of the Runway.

If you're watching that, you know that the models think Mitchell is the kiss of death and impossible to work for. They all talk trash about him backstage and hate being paired with him. It's about the only drama we're getting from MotR right now, so I think B/M are keeping him in to help the whole PR/MotR package.

Seriously? Mitchell has given us a (hideous) smocked collar and stuff you can buy off the rack at TJ Maxx. Poorly sewn, too!


TLo said: "We'll help you pack your things."

TFF!!

If this means that B/M is laying off trying to influence the judges' picks, this might make for the best season of PR ever. No more keeping folks like Suede or Vincent on because of the "drama." which would be very welcome, IMO!

I'm wondering if Malvin went with the boring fabrics in both challenges the better to show off his allegedly brilliant conceptual design - which turned out to be a huge mistake.

OTOH, while I do expect to see Mitchell (who I keep want to call Bradley for some strange reason) auf'd soon - it's so clear he's in way over his head - the idea for his concept, a fun daytime errands-running outfit, was not bad. it's just that the execution was tragic on almost every level.

while these first two challenges are pretty mainstream, they have been fun to see the diversity of talent that has started to emerge....and point out yet again why PR is the classic and why [whisper] that other show was such a mess.

srq


Yes, yes, yes. So glad he's gone.


Given the international flavor of this week's judging panel, the irony of his "too conceptual for America" comment was quite tasty, indeed.


Can I defend Malvin's "too conceptual for America" statement? Because it doesn't have to be taken as an insult. The judges (and comments) last night prove the point that we want clothes that have to be wearable in some way.


EVERYBODY does, and I'm from Europe; only the fashionistas will wear anything hideous - just because it's conceptually interesting or trendy - in the name of fashion.

I don't mind innovation or conceptualization, but at the end of the day, I want to look good in in whatever I'm wearing.


...the "too conceptual for America" line sent my eyes rolling back hard enough to get stuck. There's the tortured artist's creed. I hate to say it, but such personalities are a dime a dozen. "No one understands me / there are no words to describe what I do" - well great, how about you do your thing & if you happen to be successful at it, wonderful, otherwise you can keep it as a nice hobby for yourself.


My favorite comment of the night: "Malvin, your chicken-egg design is just not flattering." Haha Heidi!

Interesting that the judges figured out the vocab to auf the philosopher.

I'm so glad they are getting rid of the crazies right away. The remaining designers will have plenty of personality to keep the show interesting.

Itsjustme


TLo -

I just caught up on the past 5 or so posts, and I'm laughing so loudly behind my closed office door that three different people peeked into my office to see what I was up to! Whatevs. I'm eating lunch, so this is my TLo time.

I was screaming at the TV last night watching this whackadoodle. Thanks god he was auf'd. As a former pregnant person, I felt qualified to comment on the absolute unwearability of his so-called garment. Wow - scratchy linen wrapped around my sweaty itchy pregnant stomach...oh what fun. Oh - and be a dear and make it emphasize all the bad angles of my protruding stomach in all the worst ways. Thaaaaaaaaanks.

So glad the showrunners appear to be letting the show run its natural course. However, Mitchell will be packing his bags next week if he can't get his sh*t together. The models comments in the aftershow were very interesting. Fatma looks like she's gonna cut someone...

I've said it once, and I'll say it again. The screencaps their accompanying comments are GOLD. And the Alex cartoon was hysterical.

I love having lunch with you guys everyday. Hope you are able to get some sleep soon....


Donny B said...

But he's very young and I bet if you give him a few years out in the real world he really could become a little more grounded because he sure ain't right now.


He is so young and as an artist myself, I remember the art student attitude of being so impressed with your own creativity that you lack critical judgement. There's a few paintings in the back of my studio I really should use as firewood one cold winter night.

I'm not so sure Malvin is wrong about the future of fashion - I think it is trending towards very individual looks and micro designers. What I can't understand is why the conceptual designers want to be on a show like PR. The time challenge alone works against developing good concepts. James Paul was unusual in his ability to come through with a decent conceptual design in the insane time frames on a reality show. Finding the right image for your ideas is the most challenging aspect of art and it often takes several missteps before you get that light bulb over your head.

Poor Malvin was so freaked out by the whole tv experience, I'm surprised he didn't just quit.


I'm sorry to see him go. He was sweet and seemed to have interesting ideas, but I can't argue with this decision.

Poor Malvin. I think he could have done some pretty great things, but he's so young and in the throes of concept and artistry that he just isn't ready for this competition or translating his concept into something the least bit wearable.

Two conceptual designers in a row! I was surprised.


"I'm too conceptual for America."

NOPE! You're too *misogynistic* for American women!!!

~ hb33, workin' on a slow burn ~


Tim's justifiably horrified reaction to chicken thighs was the most hilarious moment in the episode


I don't even think his final outfit was that horrible, although I agree completely on the fabric choice.
I don't think the judges' reaction would have been so bad had he not given the whole chicken-and-egg spiel. What a turn-off!
Yeah, thanks, I really want to dress like a chicken and make my pregnant belly look like an egg. I think that's a no.


Bjooks said...

Given the international flavor of this week's judging panel, the irony of his "too conceptual for America" comment was quite tasty, indeed.



LOL. That's true.


What irked me the most was his stubborn refusal to see just how ugly his design was! Conceptual my beehive - it was ugly! As a concept AND as a design!

He can self assure all he wants but he was kicked off for exactly the same reason that Ari was - not paying attention to the challenge and churning out a look and design that was both hideous and ridiculous. What woman wants to be described in those terms?!

Seriously - "hot air" is exactly the right words to describe his exiting words.


I thought Mitchell was going home, but I am kind of glad he didn't. He's funny in a train wreck kind of way.

Now this outfit...to me the "Jesus of Nazareth" linen contraption looked pretty poorly executed, maybe not as bad the shorts, but something about the way it was constructed made it look not quite finished. Not to mention completely uncomfortable and flattering. At least if he was going to go for a concept he should made it have some sort of redeeming quality.


Buh bye. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. At least some of the other "conceptual" designers we've seen in the past were entertaining and could actually design something resembling clothes. Not so here.


Now I await the Mitchell post with baited breath.....


Well if America never warms to his "philosophy" of fashion there's always that national tour of
M Butterfly to look forward to.


Kristen said, "I felt sad for him. Until he said his 'I'm too conceptual for America' line. Then I just crossed by fingers that next week would be Mitchell's week to go."

My sentiments exactly!

After Episode 1, I thought Chicken Little was someone to watch. Even with the weird insulated underwear fabric he used for his red carpet dress, I thought it was pretty, well-fit and -sewn, and interesting.

Egg/nest/feathers...just horrible! And imagine--he was going to put her in jodhpurs to give the impression of chicken thighs! This is not high-concept, James-Pa...Malvin; this is Hallowe'en!

Still, I loathe the Child of the Corn and wanted him to go, just because he's such a manipulative little prick and so immature and so untalented.

TLo, your post was hilarious, starting with the excellent clip art. I was *cackling* all the way through. How you do all this on what has to be no sleep is a mystery to me!


The more I look at it, the uglier it gets. I'm still not sure it's worse than Mitchell's, though. Well, good riddance to Mr. Conceptual.


I hope Mitchell won't be that average designer that just gets safe every single week.


I actually like the texture of that fabric, and I'm weird enough that an egg-inspired garment amuses me rather than repels me.

But the execution! Ugh. Not a pretty garment, nor even really all that interesting a one.


mitchell = boy vincent


Malvin's "I'm just too conceptual for America" comment means that all of us (the great unwashed) just don't have the 'vision' he thinks he has. Could it be that he's just a lousy designer, but just let himself off the hook? He'll spend his short career (if any) thinking that he's just misunderstood, like many great artists. How sad...


I don't mind conceptual--I was a die-hard fan of Elisa and I liked James-Paul.

But Mother-Hen/egg--what sort of concept is that? Could we be more trite and more patronizing to the woman? Is Nina Garcia someone you really want to dress up as a hen?

No pregnant woman wants to be compared to a god-damned chicken laying eggs.

Malvin went not because he was conceptual, but because his concept offended.


Honeybee, I'm with you - I found his "chicken thighs" idea to be very hateful and contemptuous towards women - whether all women, or just the pregnant ones, I'm not sure.

Regarding auf'ing two "concept " people in a row: both of those people had terrible craft. Elisa and Diana, to name a couple of past contestants with a conceptual bent, had great skills most if not all of the time. So maybe if Ari or Malvin had had better skills, they would have had more longevity.

Notice, the people who actually *are* conceptual designers don't usually go around trumpeting it. They just make their stuff. It's the ones who are constantly bragging about how "avant-garde" they are who you know are just marching towards the inevitable cliff.


Thank you Project Runway Gods! My offerings of hors d'oeuvres and manhattans seems to have made you hear my prayers.

I mean how far into yourself can someone be? I thought theater people were bad, but shit, this guy takes the the cake, the platter, and the serving utensil. "I am more grounded with my philosophy and myself" blah blah blah. Unless he learns how to take that self absorbed grounded state of being and work with it in the real world he's never going to be any more successful than he is now. No one's going to work with you if they say "I want X,Y, and Z," and you turn around and hand them the kitchen sink. Which is what he did with this challenge. There were very specific things that the client wanted and he threw them out the window the make what the voices of dead philosophers were whispering to him.


"We'll help you pack your things." "Jesus of Nazareth" - What would I do without you????

Malvin isn't a fashion designer; he's a visual artist working in the medium of fabric. Artists aren't mandated to think about their audience, designers are mandated to think about their customers - which clearly he doesn't. In the show Project MoMA he might have had a shot...


I'm extremely sad to see Malvin go. I loved his pre-show materials; he is what I'd call a...critical thinker? This might sound high-and-mighty, but I'd rather have someone on the show who knows what solipism means, who can make connections between androgyny and the LGBT movement, and can realize the interrelation between something minute and material like fashion and greater movement of society. Versus, you know, someone who just likes to make pretty dresses (not that I'm thinking of any of the contestants this season. Of course not.)

There have been a handful of "conceptual" designers on the show's tenure, but I liked that Malvin could "talk the talk." It seemed to come from a genuine place. The same is true for Diana and Elisa, I think, but no one else really.

The amnesiac judging ticked me off; Mitchell was in the bottom two shows in a row for execution skills! I think with some editing Malvin's outfit wouldn't have been so bad; without the hanging fabric, and a different line to the "sling" to make it more of an one-shoulder top, it could have been fine.

I'm just disappointed from a personal standpoint, as I identified with Malvin.


sherman
8/28/09 1:29 PM mitchell = boy vincent




GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

GOOD


GOD


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!


I really thought his hairdo alone would float him for another few episodes. Is Epperson the only one left with slightly strange hair? (I don't count Louise, that's just unflattering.)


Can we also say we hated that heavy, rough "Jesus of Nazareth" linen that he used?"


hahahahahahaha


Boys, I love you. I really do.


Did anyone else think Malvin sounded like Michael Jackson?


From square one his "concept" was a cliche and a negative one at that. Who wants to look like a mother hen. If he wanted a cliche as a concept he should have used "fertility goddess" or something to that nature. He could have continued the light part of the drape all the way to the floor to make a gown.
I reallly don't think he had the chops, though. Judging by this dress and the last one, he did not have the construction or draping skills to do conceptual.Sorry Malvin your work is shallow.

But even having said all of that I found Mitchell's entry even worse. Khaki shorts, a tank, and a sweater? How basic can you get. And a fucking maternity panel on the pants (showing) gross. Nobody wears those anymore.


The more I think about it, the more I wish Mitchell had gone home. From whom would I rather see more work? At least Malvin was an interesting, deluded train wreck, while Mitchell is just a wreck.


"I'm too conceptual for America."

*snort*

Honey, you're too conceptual for MARS.

As for you two, TLo, I was giggling hysterically as soon as I saw the chicken picture on your home page. I knew you wouldn't disappoint! Jesus of Nazareth linen...! I love you guys.


basically, this was a body diaper.

the comments are so good today.


Did anyone else have a now-THIS- is-uncomfortable-yet-I-can't-look-away-moment when Frau Seal eviscerated Mitchell before sending him on his merry way? You go, Madchen!!


Actually after watching the extended clip, it's clear there was a lot the judges liked in terms of construction. It was the "sling" concept they hated. They thought the black portions of his outfit were very good. Plus he did design it to be adjustable and have some stretch for the term of pregnancy. So he did think to some extent about functionality

And after hearing Malvin' full explanation of the mother hen I did not find it insulting to women. The idea of celebrating a mother wanting to nurture and caress her child I think is a lovely one.

I don't think he's as deluded as he may seem from his exit comments. Apparnetly on his Facebook page he made cracks about dining on chicken during the airing of the show and was offing people a leg. Plus the models really seemed to like him

Frank


Bleh. Good riddance. He annoyed me and that thing was ugly. Yes, concept is good, but gees, think about it in the real world too. I had to deal with people like this in architecture school and they bugged me then too. LOL


Anonymous
8/28/09 1:47 PM
I don't think he's as deluded as he may seem from his exit comments. Apparnetly on his Facebook page he made cracks about dining on chicken during the airing of the show and was offing people a leg. Plus the models really seemed to like him

Frank



I didn't think so either. He's young and just needs time to grow.


Did anyone else have a now-THIS-is-cringeworthy-yet-I-can't-look-away moment when Frau Seal eviscerated Mitchell before sending him on his merry way? You GO, Madchen!!


I thought he was interesting in a "laugh-out-loud, I can't wait to see what kind of crazy shit is going to come out of his mouth. This guy is so freaking weird" kind of way. I'm disappointed to see him go. He would have been waaaaay more entertaining than flaming Mitchell, who is really just irritating me at this point.


Nina nailed it when she said she looked like she was wearing a baby sling. Most new mothers will tell you that such things are practically essential to get through the day but we doubt very many of them praise it as a flattering or fashion-forward look. Otherwise, they'd continue to wear them up until their babies graduate high school.

This sums it up. My youngest son is 18 months, so I was pregnant less than two years ago. No way would I have worn this! Pregnant or not!


I guess I know a lot of weirdos, but I could see some of them wearing this. Or, at least, a better variation on this. But then, he wasn't designing for some artsy fartsy intellectual chick, so AUF.


I'm off to take the words "conceptual" and "philosophical" to the hospital now....they've suffered multiple lacerations and bruises from abuse, and need medical attention.


"What I can't understand is why the conceptual designers want to be on a show like PR. The time challenge alone works against developing good concepts. James Paul was unusual in his ability to come through with a decent conceptual design in the insane time frames on a reality show. Finding the right image for your ideas is the most challenging aspect of art and it often takes several missteps before you get that light bulb over your head."

This is exactly why I refuse to take my friends' pushing me to submit myself to PR. It's nice to be ambitious, but when you're more of a conceptual person, you need to know you can deal with time limits. I tend to route for the conceptual designers (although Malvin is a complete train wreck, I really have no words for his concept or his personality) and this season is putting me off a bit by having the two most conceptual designers auf'ed right off the bat. I honestly liked Ari and I didn't find her garment that offensive, though it completely failed the challenge.

I in no way defend Malvin, but after 5 seasons and seeing a number of people auf'ed for consistent poor design/concept/construction, I wonder why Mitchell's being given a pass while others with at least some sort of vision are being kicked off as fast as possible.

If the previews for next week are any indication of who's going to be in the bottom, if they boot Ra'mon (I think that's who partnered with Mitchell) over Mitchell for a failed challenge, I have no choice but to believe this is B/M interference and not the judges actual decisions. I can't see them letting him pass through a third time for not being able to get his crap together.


I've been a bad girl and am reading your blog even though I missed this episode last night. But when I saw that photo, I thought "It's a Snugli? I thought they said maternity... wait, go back and read again...." So, yeah, it makes no sense. Now I gotta watch this episode and see how in hell this happened.


I hope Mitch doesn't become this seasons little talent just squeaking by designer ala Wendy Pepper. For some reason Nicholas is really irritating my husband and because of his unfortunate resemblance to Corey Feldman,we now refer to him as Lost Boy. Nicholas that is not my husband.


"For some reason Nicholas is really irritating my husband"

He's irritating to me, too (Nicholas, not your husband) because he's all sniffy about the other designers. If you're going to do that, you have to be a) demonstrably more talented, or b) funny about it, or optimally both.


I will be the first to admit that my knowledge and appreciation for fashion is highly pedestrian and entirely based on what looks good on me. Because of that, I am very confused about all of the comments lambasting Malvin for producing a piece that is unflattering and ugly. In my limited judgment, every top designer routinely turns out pieces that are unflattering and ugly, usually purposefully so. Check out that previous TLo post where only Oscar De La Renta and Caroline Herrera could dress themselves. "Ugly" seems to be quite a common look. Enlighten me, those of you who know your fashion, what is the difference (besides stature in the community) between a Malvin and the big name designers who send ugly stuff down runways on a regular basis? I'm not being snarky, I just really don't get the difference once you are outside a RTW concept.


Great review as always. Too Conceptual indeed. But speaking of "conceptual" or not, what I would like to add from another tangent about watching this so far on Lifetime, is that they totally blew it with their videos which you so nicely embed in your blog. I don't get any image, which I assume is probably because of something dumb like I am in Europe, reading your blog. Now go figure, Bravo was never a problem for viewing, open to anyone from anywhere - another viewer is another viewer, and lots of Americans travel etc.. and want to stay as dedicated viewers of PR. Lifetime? Again, just to say it, I don't think they get what this is about on an international level, let alone on a national one.


But Mother-Hen/egg--what sort of concept is that? Could we be more trite and more patronizing to the woman? Is Nina Garcia someone you really want to dress up as a hen?

No pregnant woman wants to be compared to a god-damned chicken laying eggs.

Malvin went not because he was conceptual, but because his concept offended.


I agree completely. Comparing a pregnant woman to a hen laying an egg? I found it mildly offensive. Eh, maybe he's just young and hasn't had much experience around pregnant women or something.


I am starting to feel like I am the only person who actually like the outfit on a conceptual and practical level. Perhaps it was because I was reading an article yesterday about how some women are very sensitive about people touching their pregnant bellies, chances are if they wore that people won't touch them since they will think you are carrying around a baby and people don't usually pet babies like that. Plus, it can be adjusted to be used as a sling once the baby is born. Maybe the fabric is a lil ugly, but I feel like over all it's actually not too bad...


Oy.

Just Oy.

My immediate thought here is that Santino's figure skating costume would sit on Malvin's maternity dress and try to hatch it.

--GothamTomato


My favorite line came from Miss Heidi: "She's a pregnant mess."


ROFLMAO!!!

If we took a vote today, the unanimous opinion would be that the TLo Lifetime Achievement Award for this episode should go to:

TLo!

For funniest column of the year.


My immediate thought here is that Santino's figure skating costume would sit on Malvin's maternity dress and try to hatch it.

--GothamTomato


GT, you are a treasure:)


Frank,

The problem with the "lovely concept" is that you tend to be treated a little too much as a baby-vessel instead a whole person when pregnant, anyway. Nothing like having strangers come up and patting your stomach or lots and lots of unwanted advice to get really irritated--or maybe it's the endless OB/GYN appointments.

You want to be as comfortable (as possible) and attractive (if possible). The judges were drawn to outfits that gracefully accommodated pregnancy--not fetishize it in anyway. I think that's why Mitchell got a pass--the idea wasn't terrible--separates that don't take much care in neutral colors so the fact that you're wearing the same things over and over and over doesn't quite drive you nuts. Mitchell was considering the customer's point-of-view--and got a pass for that despite the hideousness of the shorts.

Thoughtfulness got a lot of points in this particular challenge.


Look, this was an ugly outfit, to be sure. But at least Malvin had a (bad) concept and followed through on it. He thought about things and tried something outside of the box. He failed, but at least he tried. And he did seem to listen to Tim about the pants, always a good idea.

Mitchell is the one who deserved to go home. His outfit was ugly, trashy, and lazy. He talks a big game but we have yet to see anything remotely good from him. He better do something A-mazing next week.


I could picture crunchy-granola types wearing that baby sling top, spouting their philosophy of nesting their egg. I also could follow where Malvin was trying to go with the "egg" concept. Yet, chicken thigh jodhpurs were the last straw and he couldn't be auf'd fast enough. Feathers around the tank top neckline? What next - a little red comb to wear in her hair?

Malvin's greatest shortcoming was that he took himself way too seriously. Here's my philosophy - It's okay to take your work seriously, but never yourself.


"My immediate thought here is that Santino's figure skating costume would sit on Malvin's maternity dress and try to hatch it..
--GothamTomato

8/28/09 2:45 PM

OMG, you should WARN people when you're going to be that funny. I was drinking coffee when I read that!

Wiping off the screen and keyboard now . . . .


Once again the casting director has failed. The designers of season 6 are a big snore. Not having that looking forward to the next episode feeling anymore.


I kinda liked this? I wish he had done MORE with it, like made a long sleevless black dress with the feathery detailing around the top and arms instead of the top and pants. The snuggy thing was well-made; the pants and top was what took it to the level of UGH.

I wanted him to stay. Instead, they gave the Abominable Snowman another week. :/


InF,

No, they touch you *because* you're pregnant. Hope to feel the baby move. It's not meant to offend, but it gets old.

GT,

Thank you--perfect, perfect--how did Santino survive that skating challenge? Was Bjork a judge?


Mitchell may as well repack his bag right now. Both Ari and Malvin were mainly aufed for bad execution of an already dodgy concept, and Mitchell's heading down the same path.

Having said that I did quite like Malvin, except for his tendency to describe himself as a philosopher. Honey, "Project Runway" cares not if you know your Hume from your Derrida, just concentrate on the task at hand - Designing clothes.


Don't give up yet, nae! Next week's episode is a team challenge, and seems to indicate an unforeseen bitchy side on the part of Mr. Epperson.


I think it's really harsh to describe any of what he said as misogynistic. None of it was said with disdain or spite or hatefulness; it was just an unfortunate metaphor that he chose to use as his inspiration. Call him deluded or arrogant or a mess, but to accuse him of hating women because of his inspiration is a bit much.


There's entertainingly out there like Elisa, Andre, Lupe, even Ari. And then there's annoyingly out there: Hello, Malvin. His precious, precious intellectual arrogance last night was sooooo grating.

Though I agree that it's also Mitchell's time to go, I was not disappointed in the least with the decision to let Malvin go first. The concept here felt almost insulting in its heraldry of "Woman As Incubator."


I'm not confused about why people touch a pregnant person. That, however, does not change the fact that some people may not liked to be touched, whether what you believe what you are doing is offensive or not.


Let's face it; Mitchell has been saved by the fact that while his designs have been bad, there has been someone worse, much worse, than him. He is the luckiest guy still on PR right now!


Malvin was just trying too hard. The hair, the concepts, the design ... it was all just too much. Let's call it unrealized potential.

Here's a novel idea: eliminate the bottom 3 every week. This episode was painful to watch.


Regardless of Malvin's odd concept, he could more or less sew clothes. Mitchell however, CAN'T.

I can probably make the same outfit, and I got a C in the last and only sewing class I took.

Odd concept/decent sewing skills should go over decent concept/NO sewing skills. Might as well wraped her in some fabrics and say "This fabric was meant to be shorts."

I thought Malvin's design was kind of cute in an "earth mother" kind of way. I mean yeah, it would've hit a VERY small demographic, but who would buy Mitchell shorts, when it looks like Godzilla terrorized a town while wearing them?

This boy better go. I'd take crack smoking conceptual artists over sewers worse than the ones on TFS any day.

And on a side note: Mitchell looks a lot like my last ex-boyfriend. Kind of weird..


Heh, the chicken-and-egg thing didn't bother me at all. Keeping and raising a few hens in one's backyard is a growing phenomenon (Google "urban chickens" for a hint), and people are getting a new-found respect for the birds. Chickens make wonderful mothers-- they sit on their eggs for 21 days, then spend their every waking moment watching over the chicks after they hatch, protecting them from predators and teaching them how to search for food. If you're looking for a model of a good mother, you can't do much better than that!

I didn't have a problem with Malvin's concept at all....he just executed it really badly. He could have done a cute, tongue-in-cheek take on the subject. But once he proposed doing jodhpurs to evoke "chicken thighs," you knew this could go nowhere good.


Elisa, to me, was authentic. I believe who she was on camera is who she is in real life, and I must say I love her.

Malvin was just a poseur. I don't know if his schtick was really a put-on, but he obviously thought too much of himself, and acted incredibly haughty for the two episodes he was there. That was my biggest problem with him.

I will say, though, I read he's working at an HIV clinic, which is always noble. He just didn't do well in PR land.


Oh Lord. I knew he wouldn't make it until the end, but at least he did have an IDEA, which is more than Mitchell, who apparently even had experience with the type of clothing, couldn't execute a simple idea. Malvin could have gone on the next challenge. I just hope Mitchell does.


You people are killing me today. A whole bunch of great comments that have had me really LOL but the best of the lot, the ones that bear repeating:

Stkr Shock - Poultry Philosopher

Anne - I said to my daughter, "Is he hoping to find flippers on the Macy's accessory wall?"

Speck -Well if America never warms to his "philosophy" of fashion there's always that national tour of M Butterfly to look forward to.

Rillion -I'm off to take the words "conceptual" and "philosophical" to the hospital now....they've suffered multiple lacerations and bruises from abuse, and need medical attention.


Great post! Gotham Tomato, you made me laugh so loud that I woke my napping son!


Like our lovely Lin-Lo stated last week, "You can make all ya want, but someone's gonna have to want to buy it."

Exactly.


Lilithcat said...

"Not only is he too conceptual for America, but, according to his exit interview, his clothes "aren't meant to be worn". Huh?"

This cracked me up....

"I think he gave the wrong answer last week when Tim asked him if he wanted to be a designer, or an artist who made clothes."

I didn't recall at all the exchange with Tim, and couldn't help thinking throughout the epi that this guy thinks too much like a "visual artist" and not like an actual clothing designer. I can't say that he would be a very successful artist, but can totally see going to a gallery and viewing an installation with his chicken concept --- feathers, nest, eggs, poo...the whole clucking deal.

My absolute favorite part of the epi was the totally pissy reception from the panel of judges. I have never seen such a group of angry moms --- especially Heidi. Overall, his look wasn't really all that horrendous (although I'd have an entirely different opinion had he gone through with the chicken-thigh leggings!!!). I do like the concept of a baby slingy-thing as a maternity top that could be converted after the baby's birth, however, his choice of Nazareth linen was not a smart move. Good epi with much more entertainment value than the season opener.

-edina-

P.S. Good post, TLo! Loooved the visual. It's sweet!


Aw, I don't think the chicken concept was offensive or misogynistic. Just bad. Not thought through.

He skipped over the part where the designer asks himself, "would anyone want to wear this?"

If he was thinking about nesting and eggs, why did it have to be a chicken?


Methamphetamine

Joanie said...

Like our lovely Lin-Lo stated last week, "You can make all ya want, but someone's gonna have to want to buy it."

Exactly.



YUP.


Edina Monsoon

I am all for conceptual and appreciate seeing something that s different and not a cookie cutter. Frankly I thought Mitchell should have been aufe'd last week since what Ari made at least showed effort and thought (OK, wrong thought for red carpet...) and it would have been interesting to see what she came up with later.

But I have to say the
"Too conceptual for America" comment made me go all Charlton Heston at my TV and yell "then get out of America, fool!". But I did not do the full Heston and shoot the TV out, though. Which is good cuz the economy is bad and buying another TV would be a problem right now.


With two "conceptual" designers auf'd in the first two episodes under the new regime, we have to wonder, does the Bunim/Murray team have a less heavy-handed approach toward influencing the judges than the Magical Elves somewhat infamously did?

Why do the producers interfere at all? Why don't they leave the judging to the judges??????????


EEK/STL: "Malvin isn't a fashion designer; he's a visual artist working in the medium of fabric."

I agree. If he honestly wants to be a fashion designer, he needs to decide to do that and shift his point of view accordingly (which means understanding women and what they actually want to wear). If he's not willing to do that, then he should concentrate on making conceptual art pieces that just happen to be wearable within a gallery/show/theatrical setting.

However bright and well-read he may be, he's very, very young for an artist, and still quite full of himself. The moment he said something to the effect of "There is no vocabulary to describe the garments I make," my immediate response was, "Oh, honey, no." If you can't explain the concepts behind your work in a way people can understand, either your concepts are fuzzy and ill-formed, or your ability to use language to express yourself needs work. I don't believe the latter is the problem in Malvin's case; I think he just has a lot of growing up to do as a person and an artist.

On the basis of the garments alone, I would have auf'ed Vincent Libretti, Jr.--OOPS! I mean Mitchell!--for sending such a sloppy mess down the runway, especially since it was his second time doing so. There were elements of Malvin's garment that I liked (he included room for expansion, and the feathery edging on the black part was a nice touch). But I agree with others who have pointed out that the concept was distasteful. A pregnant woman is still a woman, not a hen laying an egg. Not only that, she is still a woman and an individual, not just an adjunct to her baby bump. All of the top three designers got that, and created garments that flattered pregnant womens' bodies without fetishizing or objectifying them.

And funny that Malvin, for all his talk about subverting gender with his clothes, went straight for the worst sort of gendered cliche in his garment. I mean, Mother Hen? Eggs? Really? I guess he's only interested in subverting gender if you're male, or are the kind of skinny girl lucky enough to pass as boyish. But if you're a woman--and such an egregious example of woman-ness that you're pregnant--it's straight back to the old cliches for you.

Yeah. Kid needs to grow up.


A garment that has a sling to hold up the extra weight (in this case the baby bump) is an automatic AUF.


What came first, the chicken or the philosopher?

Priceless TLo-- thank you!
As a former pregnant woman I wouldn't want to wear the egg thing. But I know some hippie dippy moms who might.

Bye Malvin!


But I still think Mitchell should have been gone!

It was mentioned that he actually worked on maternity wear-- and he turned out shorts that a 3 yr old could have made with a paper sack.

Fail.


I have to say I kind of liked Malvin's fabric and design. There was something organic about it. Perhaps if he draped/crafted the front a little differently, so that the stomach didn't look like a basketball (which it very much does in the photos above), it would have passed. It does look comfortable and earthy.

I felt he was in trouble, however, when he told Tim he wanted to make jodhpurs to resemble chicken legs. He might be conceptual, but there, he was being too literal (I think his model mentioned this). He's making clothes, not costumes.

Mitchell should have been sent home. Although I liked the general look of his outfit, I did not see anything new and it was so messy.

Polly Glot


magicalrealist: "...And funny that Malvin, for all his talk about subverting gender with his clothes, went straight for the worst sort of gendered cliche in his garment."

Great point. But, as you said, he's very young and still forming as a person and an artist. Hey, at least he's THINKING! I can't tell you how many 23 year-olds I've met who's biggest concern is getting a decent signal on their cell phone so they can text their BFF what time to meet them at the bar.


Though I must say that Mitchell's reminded me of clothes that pregnant Britney Spears wore.


i'm not dorothy gale

I clucked and cackled while reading your comments..."we'll help you pack". Oh you two!!!

And Lord, that was even uglier in your close-up screencaps.


Ha ha I thought I was the only one who thought his "egg" fabric was more "Baby Jesus swaddling". So I have to agree with the judges yet again, it did not work conceptually or practically.


"Conceptual" is not an excuse for failure to meet the brief, for poor execution, or for any number of sins perpetrated against fashion by PR designers past. We all have concepts. Even bland, "safe" dresses are based on concepts. A designer who chooses a concept not typically associated with fashion, and who is incapable of realizing it in the workroom, has gone seriously off the rails.

That's not to forgive Mitchell, who actually said "I want to be safe" and produced something that was equally appalling. I would not have been upset to see him aufed either, but I'm pleased that the new season (whether the producers or the judges are responsible) is making a statement that this is fashion, not abstract art. Mitchell is not long for the show anyway--and I confess that I find him less irritating than Malvin.


I hope you guys blog occasionally about "Models of the Runway." When Fatma let it be known how much she disliked that she would have to work with Mitchell, I couldn't help but laugh.


Both bottom two looks were awful but I think Mitchell should have gone home. Even if those diapers, I mean shorts, had been executed perfectly, you can buy a maternity outfit like that at Target for thirty bucks. The challenge was to make a chic, fashionable look and his was anything but. He must have pocketed the extra 70 dollars because there is no way that outfit was made using the full $100 budget.


Mitchelle better go home next week or I'm gonna start getting mad.


lighten up,
it's just FASHION.


Malvin should study architecture at Columbia. They eat up that kind of theoretical shit there.


You pegged it right, no pregnant woman wants more volume. As a mother, so a former pregnant woman, I wanted to look pretty, and yeah, a little sexy. It is just an ugly outfit. I don't think that the folds and pleats are interesting, just thick and heavy looking. An awkward piece for a time in your life when you need some extra grace and ease in what you wear. The first thing I thought of when I saw it, was baby sling. Necessary for carrying your baby with ease, but not very fashionable.


You pegged it right, no pregnant woman wants more volume. As a mother, so a former pregnant woman, I wanted to look pretty, and yeah, a little sexy. It is just an ugly outfit. I don't think that the folds and pleats are interesting, just thick and heavy looking. An awkward piece for a time in your life when you need some extra grace and ease in what you wear. The first thing I thought of when I saw it, was baby sling. Necessary for carrying your baby with ease, but not very fashionable.


There is no way to disagree with any of TLo's comments about the end result of Malvin's ruminations, but I have to say that I'm still quite shocked that the judges chose to keep "wonderbread" Mitchell, who has now dodged two bullets for sending unacceptable (and, worse, unimaginative) garments down the runway. What the show doesn't need is another run of the mill designer who wants to design "safe" and "pretty" things. A terrible mistake, I think, regardless of what I thought about Malvin's outfit. (And, really, to be fair, it came nowhere near the heinous quality of at least two of Blayne's outfits from last year.)


FINALLY my day is done and I could read what you all had to say about last night. What a great bunch of comments - so many great laughs! I wish I could have you all over tomorrow for a BBQ in my backyard and yak and drink til all hours of the night! Thank you TLo for this place.

Feelings about pregnancy are complex. That's why Malvin got aufed and Mitchell stayed. I don't think I'm the only woman for whom pregnancy was the (f@$#ing) physical and emotional roller coaster ride of my life. If I had encountered this designer and concept outfit while pregnant I would have responded VERY BADLY. Probably would have been in danger of fruit and cat chucking behavior.

Still, two weeks in a row Mitchell - - - I can't even finish that sentence.


Completely unconnected note: If there is reincarnation I hope I can come back as a black gospel singer - I just heard "God Bless America" sung at Kennedy's wake (on CNN). I don't even like that song but their rendition of it gives me a shiver. What would that be like to open my mouth and have that gorgeous sound come out?!


magicalrealist: "... I agree with others who have pointed out that the concept was distasteful."

and EEK/STL "Great point...Hey, at least he's THINKING! "

Agree with magicalrealist! Respectfully disagree with EEK/STL and others who defend James P ... Malvin.

If the idea is bad enough it might actually be worse if it is well executed - than if it was a good idea and poorly executed (but can still be fixed/implemented).

People post here about political things all the time and a number of parallels can be drawn. (stimulus?.health care.etc) It reminds me of people screaming "we have to something..Anything.. when the not well thought out "something" causes more harm than good.

Another parallel: I design AND develop software solutions. IF the concept sucks, it is NEVER saved by executing the sucky design fast or "well". If the concept is great but the development is bad; you can still code/implement the STRONG idea.


I am frustrated with the judging anomalies this season. Totally agree with other posters who think Mitchell is unforgivable.

Why auf all the conceptual designers? Sure their stuff wasn't the best, but at least it is interesting vs. total crap.

Would love to get the behind the scenes production company influence scoop.

Mitchell must go. Quickly.


I don't think ugly equals conceptual any more than rude equals honest. Therefore, I'm not sorry to see Malvin go, and Mitchell is "hanging by a thread" anyway. Bum deal for the lovely and grounded Valerie, though.

Anyway, am I the only one who thought Partridge Family with the mama and baby bird picture?

(another suz)


I'm appalled that most people are ignoring the fact that Mitchell vs. the Models seems totally B&M created and that's why he is staying. The only thing that happened on the model show was the models raving about Mitchell. Nothing else occured. I totally see producer manipulation going on here. Only Kermit mentioned this out of all these comments.

Mitchell cannot SEW. He said he wanted to be a designer with a staff to sew because he doesn't want to. More like, he doesn't know HOW to. I can sew better than that fool.

He sent down poorly executed white-trash trailer park crap and still got a pass. he's definitely the Blayne of this season.

I didn't mind Malvin's design at all. I know many a granola-type who would wear this. I would wear it, though I preferred his original draping around the body to what he finally executed. Yeah, it's kind of Jesus of Nazareth, but hey! I'd rather look like an extra on a Jesus movie than a knocked-up ho on a binge on Sunset.


"We'll help you pack your things." Roflmao

He has little understanding of women. Personally I found him offensive to women. Which is half the world. ha

Or maybe he finds chickens to be sexy, I have heard of stranger things.


I forgot that Nina was the only American on the judging panel. That line about too conceptual for America is delicious. The man should have a little more self-awareness.

Thank TLo for such a hilarious post. And the chicken and chick cartoon is awesome!


James-Paul was miles ahead of Malvin as far as combining concept and wearability. He had some very nice, wearable designs (the first challenge, which he won, and some of his final collection). Also, this young man is much better looking and seems to be more likable. The resemblance is superficial to say the least.

I kind of wish they had the option of eliminating more than one designer in a situation like this. There is no reason to keep Mitchell on another week. Some of the other reality shows seem to have more flexibility in this regard. Since they are having a team challenge next week, it seems to me that they could have not eliminated anybody (eliminations on team challenges are sometimes questionable). This way there is a good chance that Mitchell will survive another week; he could get on a good team, or be on a team where the leader gets auf'ed. It hurts the integrity of the show to have him continue much further (a la Suede).

Mitchell is a little shit for blaming his model for his own inability to smock properly or to leave a sufficient seam allowance for alteration. That's why the models hate him. Even if his model (the fabulously named Yosuzi) did shade her measurements (I'm sure not by much), he should have been able to deal with it.


I don't have time to read all the comments so forgive me if I am repeating something but all I could think for these two episodes whenever Malvin talked was "Michael Jackson, Michael Jackson..." Am I insane or did anyone else see a vocal/demeanor similarity?


Are we seeing the hand (or lack thereof) of Bunim/Murray vs. the heavy handed touch of the Magical Elves in judging?

In the days of the Magical Elves, Malvin would have so stayed much longer just bc of what came out of him mouth. And though I see him as a gentle, thoughtful person, he is also obtuse in not producing wearable clothes.

Mitchell would have gotten the boot by now, should have gotten the boot by now. Bad construction and presentation is usually not acceptable and that is one of the criteria that keeps it interesting and having some integrity.

Unless a miracle comes to 34th Street for Mitchell, we'll be voting him off the island next week...


Ok - so...I love the King of Pop but...every time I heard Malvin talk - I felt like he sounded like Michael Jackson. That sing-songy, 'I'm talking like I'm in my own dreamworld' type voice...


Say what you will, but Malvin's outift was 100x times more interesting and sophisticated than the trash Mitchell made. Sad to see him go.


say what you what you want, but he reminds me of a young alexander wang, who actually graduated from the same high school as me (he played the devil in Damn Yankees). I think he had an interesting point of view and it may well be this wasn't the best design, but I would have like to have seen him go further.

xxxhannah


Oh, man, I could happily go for the rest of my life without hearing an artist insist that people just don't him/her.

Malvin reminds me of Claudia Kishi from the Baby-Sitters Club books. She was all over the theme outfits, and the narrator was always saying, "On someone else it would look ridiculous, but on Claudia it just works!" But I don't know if even Claudia could pull off an egg sling and chicken thighs.


I've lived in Tokyo, and I think the outfit would work here. He was right - he is "too conceptual for America." Come to Japan Malvin.


Yvette,I wish we could be so certain about Mitchell being auf'd next week. I have a fear that he will be spared again by the vicissitudes of team challenges. He has a good chance of being on a team that finishes "not last" and therefore survive. Even if he is on the losing team, he could survive if the judges decide to auf the leader or someone who had a bad attitude or something like that. (I haven't seen a preview, so I don't know how many people are on the teams. If there are just two, there is a better chance he could screw it up for the team and get auf'd. If there are three or more, the others could cover for his lack of skills. He might get on a team with Shirin!)


At the first glance, the back actually looks ok. But the front... it's ridiculous.


Suzanne said:
Anyway, am I the only one who thought Partridge Family with the mama and baby bird picture?

(another suz)
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I know this is dating me, but I immediately thought "Maryland Fried Chicken"!!!


I live in Maryland, but I've never heard of Maryland Fried Chicken! English's I do know ...

Okay, now I am hungry for some chicken thighs ... or maybe some eggs.

(another suz)


Suzanne said:
I live in Maryland, but I've never heard of Maryland Fried Chicken! English's I do know ...

Okay, now I am hungry for some chicken thighs ... or maybe some eggs.

(another suz)

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LOL...Believe it or not, there were lots of Maryland Fried Chicken restaurants here in Florida in the 60's and early 70's...go figure!!


Blogger Suzanne said...

I live in Maryland, but I've never heard of Maryland Fried Chicken!


Shame on you! Maryland fried chicken was a staple in the cafeteria at my Silver Spring junior high (yes, I'm old enough to be pre-"middle school") and high school cafeterias.

Basically it's chicken pan-fired in a fairly light crust, then baked and ultimately served with a cream gravy. It's really the gravy that makes it Maryland fried chicken.


That's fried, not fired. I can spell, but I can't type!


Oh! I just read the past comments and noticed that I'm not the only one who thought Malvin sounded like MJ. =P


girlcrush said: "I forgot that Nina was the only American on the judging panel."

I believe Nina was born in Colombia. She's definitely got the Colombian fashion-sense!!

srq


Dande
8/28/09 12:29 PM

I was interested in seeing his point of view from his bio and his fashion icon being 'Chinese farmers' and such...
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Thanks for bringing that up. His whole inspiration was indigenous people wearing western clothes. As such, this outfit was spot on. Imagine those Chinese farmer mothers rifling through the reject pile in back of the sweatshop where they mass produce Lindsay Lohan's leggings. I guess, if that was my only option, I'd wrap it with a sling, too.

But honing in on the "Jesus of Nazareth" fabric was spot on as well.

Done with a similar type of fabric, I think he might have been spared the auf this week and the judges would have appreciated the east/west and black/white contrast.

But with the rough woven fabric against the jersey, it just looked like something someone rummaged out of the rag bin.


"I think it's really harsh to describe any of what he said as misogynistic. None of it was said with disdain or spite or hatefulness; it was just an unfortunate metaphor that he chose to use as his inspiration. Call him deluded or arrogant or a mess, but to accuse him of hating women because of his inspiration is a bit much."

I completely agree--and I'm a hardcore feminist. Not to mention, I could argue that some of the other garments on the runway "hated women" more. I realize that Rebecca Romijn *was* the client, but still, many designers seemed to make the same outfit they would for a 120-pound model, just with a pillow attached to the belly. That ignores the fact that women do gain weight in other areas while they are pregnant (which Malvin did actually consider when making his garment, as he made room for his pieces to expand). I wouldn't be surprised if his poor concept came more from the fact that "conceptual" doesn't mesh well with maternity wear; the only "concept" one can have might in fact be to invoke fertility and bearing eggs. If Malvin sees his conceptual pieces as autonomous art, all the more power to him; that it's not wearable does not make him misogynistic, so much as an inappropriate candidate for a RTW design show like PR.

Arguments that Malvin "hates women" veer close to the arguments that assert "gay designers use skinny models because they like prepubescent boys" or "gay designers make tent dresses because they hate 'the womanly figure'" IMO.


I am not going to give Malvin a pass for being young, and thus excuse the hot mess of a maternity outfit he made because Christian Siriano was younger than he was. And we never saw such monstrosities from him. (And incidentally, Christian recently came out with a line of maternity wear, which is getting good reviews.)


MoHub, I went to school in NoVa so that splains it!

For some reason I thought Nina was Venezuelan, but wiki and the PR site both show Colombia as her place of birth. In any case, I love to hear what she has to say, even when I disagree.

(another suz)


Ok. Generally I snicker at your statements, TLo..... but the 'we'll help you pack your things' comment fully made me laugh out loud.

I'm from Canada, and Slice isn't premiering season 6 until SEPTEMBER 12, so I have to watch it on youtube which doesn't always jive with the laptop the way a viewer would want...but I had Malvin pegged as auf'ed as soon as he began with his 'conceptual' speak.

just give us a pretty maternity dress. please.


Write me down as a Malvin fan. In previous seasons, I felt like a designer like him normally has time to start to understand the briefs /has more time to adjust his or her concepts/take in constructive criticism. I hope he gets back in later in the competition (fingers crossed). I'm interested in what he has to offer.


Isn't it a little insulting to compare pregnant women to hen's laying eggs?! On Lifetime!!!! I'm a man, but I found this "concept" insulting to women and was amazed that the three women judges didn't question the concept as well as the execution and final look.


For some reason I thought of Blayne.


Wrong person was voted out.
He should have stayed.
Stopped defending the judges.
They messed up real bad.


Malvin's design was very much consistent with his Yohji Yamamoto influences. The almost anti-aesthetic drapery, and roughly hewn, organic textiles, characterise much of what seems to be presently going on in more avant-garde circles and with new emerging designers (knowledge a quick look at stylebubble will yield).

In response to complaints about misogyny, I would wish that commentators wouldn't so easily throw the accusation around. Mitchell's tee-shirt and grossly fitted shorts design seemed--if one were vying for misogyny--a much more flippant regard for pregnancy. At least Malvin not only designed in order to accommodate the many ensuing stages of pregnancy, he was also attentive--almost reverential--about the rather delicate state of pregnancy.

Malvin shouldn't have gone, and I couldn't think that more vehemently.


To me, I noticed the sling effect right away, it's weird but not a showstopper. If the top had been allowed to freely fall to mid-thigh it would have worked much better. It may not have been a winner, but it would have been less of a joke.

Ugh, I really, really wish Malvin had not made the "America is not ready blah blah..." remark. I would have preferred for him to not be eliminated and rather have Ninotchka give him a major, major smackdown about how wrongheaded he was to be so conceptual when he is designing for a real person. And by smackdown, I mean the the type of smackdown that would reduce a lumberjack to a quivering mass, and have a sensitive soul like Malvin wailing in despair for hours. I kinda wish the same thing would have happened to Ari, but at least in Ari's case, she acted as if she did not take the competition seriously.


Does anyone else start humming The Partridge Family theme when they see the icon for this post. Just me... mmmkay.


I really hope they bring Malvin back. It horrifies me that they chose Mitchell's ill-fitting generic outfit over Malvin's.


Anonymous
8/29/09 12:07 PM I am not going to give Malvin a pass for being young, and thus excuse the hot mess of a maternity outfit he made because Christian Siriano was younger than he was. And we never saw such monstrosities from him. (And incidentally, Christian recently came out with a line of maternity wear, which is getting good reviews.)




Remember Christian's prom dress?


Malvin should've stayed, and that's all I'm saying.


" a said...

Does anyone else start humming The Partridge Family theme when they see the icon for this post. Just me... mmmkay."


LOL. Me too.


Malvin was a little annoying, but at least he could sew.


I'm so mad Malvin is gone!!


Glad I wasn't the only one after all. Come on get happy!

(another suz)


ben 8/28/09 7:38 PM: EEK/STL "...Hey, at least he's THINKING! "Respectfully disagree with EEK/STL and others who defend James P ... Malvin."

Oh, Ben, I was just giving props to Malin as a thinking young person, I was in NO WAY defending that disaster of a design. I think he should have been auf'd, absolutely. Let's put it this way: If he had still had that nutty story about the chicken and the egg and produced something glorious and wearable, what would the harm be? He could be conceptual and still understand what a customer would want. So yes, concept without reasonable execution = auf, no ifs ands or buts. Which is why in a different post I said that Malvin isn't really a fashion designer; he's a visual artist who works in fabric.


It's frustrating that designers who don't cow-tow to the market are invited to Project Runway in the first place if the terms of the show don't allow their work to be taken seriously.

Auf'ing phrases like "it's too much" or "it's too out there" make me sad--they're whip-cracks sounding a "get back in line" to those who dare to put the possibilities of art before the conventions of the market.

The judges project the illusion that they're taking Malvin's work seriously and that their criteria are the only. And somehow Malvin gets drawn as arrogant.

I'm a dunce for having got my hopes up.


I kinda like the outfit, I would wear the top, not the pants though. I like that it highlights the belly as though you already had a child. Then again it probably only looks good because the model is still skinny.

Am I nuts?
p.s. I've never been pregnant but i'm infamous for sticking out my belly after every meal and pretending I am.


Mitch really needed to go over Malvin.

Granted, I still thought Malvin's outfit sucked, but at least he took a shot at creating something original.

Mitchell took a practical idea and still fucked it up, two weeks in a row.

I would normally roll my eyes at the idea of keeping a conceptual designer for the sake of entertainment, but now I wonder what did Malvin do that was so much worse than Mitchell?

Damn, the weed's wearing off..


Malvin should've stayed!!!!


Malvin, YOU ROCK MAN!!!


Malvin,

Never compromise your art for money, social norms or other peoples opinions or fear.


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