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TFS: Congrats and Bye-bye

Okay bitches, we've got a train to catch so let's get this party started quickly, right? Here we go.


We think this is exactly what the show should be doing every episode: treating the contestants like junior designers.

Get Mizrahi off the co-hosting gig and make him the senior designer who has to present an inspiration board every week and yell at the designers as they struggle to realize his vision. It'd be more interesting than this season, that's for sure.

And who knew? She was a shitty co-host on Tim's show but she turned out to be a very good judge.


So, congrats to Anna and Haven!




It was cute and stylish, very retail, with a little bit of an edge. They translated the hell out of it for sale, but it's not bad-looking except for maybe the waist.


How refreshing to see two designers quietly go about their business and turning out a great look. Also, how boring.

As for these two...
It just had disaster written all over it from the start. Two people who are so vague about their inspirations and choices, simply aren't going to be able to collaborate well.

And let's face it:


This was just awful.

If we try really hard and ignore that the two pieces owe nothing to each other; that the silhouette is atrocious; that the colors are so ugly...

We still can't get over that big, gold...thing stapled to the front of the garment.

That's just indefensible as far as we're concerned. Much like her really bad pubic hair dress of a couple weeks back, we don't know how Lidia can be working on a garment like this and NOT see the mistake she's making. Poor girl just can't course-correct.

[Photos: BravoTV.com - Screencaps: Projectrungay.blogspot.com]



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147 comments:

I thought if they executed the losing dress better, it could have been really great, like if the gold were PART OF the fabric.

I also didn't like the hardware on the winning design's shirt. You go walking around all day, shit's gonna hit you in the shoulder blades till it hurts.


Bye, bye Hayekova.

Maybe there was some sort of language barrier between the two? They just didn't seem to get what the other was doing.


Winning look: GREAT looking jacket, and that's what won it for them.

Because the bottom outfit is only so-so. Especially with the wooden daggers on the blouse. Leave that shit to Korto. She knows how to make it work.


Loved Anna's and Haven's black coat. Make the shorts a skirt and I'll buy.

TampaBay


Seriously I couldn't get Rubik's fish cape???? It's just doesn't suits the body period!.... Oh and I actually thought that sugar backer's shorts were just hideous.


Loved Veronica Webb as judge. She looked amazing. I know that we have previously made exemptions for Fern because she is fabulous, but it does feel a little weird when she is saying something looks awful while wearing something even worse!


Anonymous on 6/19/09 at 9:53 AM sid... I thought if they executed the losing dress better, it could have been really great, like if the gold were PART OF the fabric.


Lose the jersey fabric, make the whole dress gold mesh and throw on JP's coat and you would have a great look.

TampaBay


I watched the clips of what turned out to be next week's show yesterday, and Lidia was conspicuous in her absence, so it wasn't hard to see why. Did PR ever post future clips or pics showing the lineup of the remaining designers? I don't remember that being the case.


Is no one going to mention the whole pigeon thing? A little heavy on the "guess who is going to be eliminated" foreshadowing but still super funny - or super bitchy? - okay, super entertaining!


I probably would've given the win to Johnny and Merlin, but I am not Isaac so who knows. Anna and Haven did turn out a strong look, which of course Bravo absolutely butchered for production. That interpretation is fucking hideous, and bears only a passing resemblance to the original. (Good idea to get rid of the wooden 'lapels' on the shirt though - while I understand the Africa inspiration, it just looks weird.)

Your idea for the show (treating them like junior designers) is interesting, and who knew Veronica Webb has something to say? Some people just don't have the personality and/r screen presence to pull of hosting duties.

Lidia and James-Paul's were both hideous and unrelated. Truthfully, I thought James-Paul's was worse but he has a better overall track record than Lidia, and I like to take those things into consideration. I hate when a designer is eliminated for one bad week after many strong ones (not that James-Paul has been very strong, mind you, just an example).


Not the winning outfit that I would have picked, but Lidia was doomed from the get-go. That was (mercifully) the only bit of contrived drama in the whole episode last night: the judges pretending they were seriously considering buh-byeing Daniella.


TLo said: Get Mizrahi off the co-hosting gig and make him the senior designer who has to present an inspiration board every week and yell at the designers as they struggle to realize his vision. It'd be more interesting than this season, that's for sure.


Have you e-mailed this suggestion to BRAVO? this is exactly the correct plan for retooling this train wreck show.

TampaBay


Have anyone noticed that the exit interview of Lidia didn't belong there at all, you can even tell by the outfit she was wearing? And bravo posted a bonus clip on the website, that looks like her real one, they are so bad with TV editing


Once again,not a single outfit I would wear on that runway of gloom. The winning outfit? Where do I start: Hate the patterns together, it looks like the house was on fire and that's what she grabbed on the way out. The wooden things on the blouse look heavy and ugly. Baggy shorts (coulotes are longer than that, Haven)with a paper bag waist and horizontal striped pattern would make 99% of our butts look huge. And I will never understand short sleeve jackets. WTF?? If it is chilly enough for a jacket I want sleeves!!!

Can't believe I'm saying this, but they should replace Kelly with Veronica.

Blanche


Lidia seemed to have two designers inside her. One created clean looks (the raincoat and the dress with the kilt pin), and one loved gew gaw & wickety wack, to disastrous effect (and of questionable taste). The clean 'n simple designs were terrific, but most of the time she channeled her inner wickety wack. It's a shame, but it shows she has the potential to grow. I wish her well.


Oh my GOD look at that "market" version. THOSE SHORTS are NOT going to sell for $100, I'm sorry. I liked the ACTUAL look for editorial Isaac, (though once again thought #2 was the winning look--I bet it was the felt that nixed them) but not for "real world"--and DEFINITELY not in the washed-down separates Bravo created. WHAT is up with these "buy the look!" things? I bet they expected PR outcomes, and these are clearly "TFS" knockoffs.

I feel badly...so much potential on this show, but as both a Fashion student and as a loyal PR fan, I am disappointed and even insulted almost solidly every week. I thought the Mini-challenge yielded better, more stylish results--even the Daniela/Reco Toga Wrap Dress fiasco. 8 hours for a challenge, indeed.

They've gotten less and less time EVERY WEEK, have you noticed? To make something look like it's worth even half a buck (i.e. be worthy of watering down to actually sell online), you need TIME. I have yet to knock out a dress I can be proud of in 8 hours from sketch to stitch. For the last look, are they going to give them only one afternoon? Ridiculous.


C'est moi, c'est moi Lola

Oh Lidia, I'll miss your accent. But that dress WAS an absolute mess. Don't tell me JP kept on telling you the concept was "mermaid meets modest belly dancer"....

I second your idea, TLo, about treating everyone like junior designers with the inspiration/mood board.

And I also agree that Veronica Webb's comments were the most constructive of the judges, if not of the whole season so far. It was certainly a refreshing break from last week's bitchfest. Kelly should have taken notes....


Blanche wrote:

"Can't believe I'm saying this, but they should replace Kelly with Veronica."

I can believe it, and I agree. Kelly is dead weight, I'm sorry to say.

I can see why the winning garment won. But I don't really care for it. And Bravo's translation is hideous - maybe it's just the mannequin? No... it's hideous.


Ok--here's the deal--don't you want to know what the designers are saying that is being edited out of the show? I mean this bunch seems really surly and there is something so. . . .OFF about this show. It's as if they are all really angry about something and they are taking it out on each other. I get a feel of maybe a sortof bait and switch has gone on. They were told the show was going to be one thing and it has turned out to be something completely different.
AND WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE LIGHTING!!!!!!!!


I agree the Bravo version of the winning is a total butchering job. Those fabrics they picked suck big time

As for Veronica Webb, at first I didn't understand why she was the guess judge until after Heather introduced her. I was impressed. She really has a clear understanding of MIzrahi's design sense. More important I think she was the most technically articulate of all the guest judges they have had so far.

As for the challenge itself I think it was stupid to make them teams and only give them 8 hours. They should have done it seperately with the extra day. Purely done for labored drama

However it brought up an interesting aspect. Haven who started out a mess at the start of the season learned to use her time wisely to produce well executed garments whereas Lydia went overboard-again. She clearly was not adapting to the constraints of the competition.

That alone I think ensured she was not going to make it to the finals. Even Johnny was smart enough to leave the majority of the construction to Merlin.

It was no surpise Lydia was ousted. Daniella needed the humbling reality check but her mistake, aside the conflict with Reco, was she played it conservative. But she did't want to risk their outfit looking tacky. Let's face it it some of reco's designs venture in that realm.

Speaking of tacky I cannot believe Reco was gloating to the camera about his choices being the right ones for the mini-challenge. There may have been "interesting" elemnets to what you did but the assistant still looked like a mess

Frank


Apparently there was some interesting work going on with the back of the coat???? Hmmm, black smudge. I think. Bravo, if you don't improve production values we are not watching next season.


*Jacob* on 6/19/09 at 10:15 AM said.....Oh my GOD look at that "market" version. THOSE SHORTS are NOT going to sell for $100, I'm sorry.

NO SHIT! This is what I have been saying all along. The winning boots of the shoe challenge sold for $255.00 and looked liked $39.99 boots at Sears. I can do better on the sale racks at Neiman,s and Sak,s than ShopBravoTV.com

TampaBay


lidia did deserve to go. part of that dress reminded me of santiono's. but more tacky.

can NOT stand kelly. what the hell is her deal anyway. suprised about veronica. she was such a drag on tim's show.

i hope bravo is reading this site & paying attention. no excitement what so ever........


Wow..who woulda thunk Veronica would make such a great judge? Plus that, she looks fab. I vote to replace Kelly with Veronica, IF the show makes another season.
I liked the winning look sans the kindling wood on the blouse.
The losing look reminded me of that dreadful gown Santino designed for Iman.


I had great difficulty staying awake during last night's episode, but even in my sleepy haze, I knew Lidia was going buh-buy as soon as her model stepped on the runway. Yawn.

I found myself wondering last night just how well the clothes are selling on Bravo's website. Is anyone actually buying these 100% polyester monstrosities? And I was thinking that even before I saw the picture of their "version" of Anna and Haven's design. Ugly, ugly, ugly. I'd feel sexier wearing an actual picnic blanket.


The translation of the winning look is bad. Especially the color pattern of those shorts lost all its luster. It looks so drab now. Who would buy them?

The losing look though, could be good for pregnant ladies? It is masquerading the figure.


TLo said, "Get Mizrahi off the co-hosting gig and make him the senior designer. . ."

You nailed it. Mizrahi is in two roles -- friendly mentor / teacher, and scolding judge. His wearing two hats (combined with editing that places snap and snark above story) means he's always playing a role and never seems authentic.

My husband saw the show for the first time last night. He said it was terrible. Declasse was the word he used.

Oh, NOTE TO BRAVO: When the judge says a particular detail is the best thing about a design (for example, the back of a coat that ends up winning), please show the freaking detail for more than a fraction of a second.


Did anyone else notice Kelly's immensely dumbfounded "duh" face during their "deliberation"? It's like she wasn't even listening. Instead, watching the imaginary butterflies and rainbows above everyone's head.


This would have not been my pick for the winner, but it's cute. Lidia and JP's combo was a disaster.


Oh, and the design sold on Bravotv.com looks chip in chip way.


Well in comparison to the other hanging by a thread outfit with pajama granny pants and hideous halloween orange jacket by Daniella, I didn't think the dress was that bad. But they so would not be getting rid of Daniella, it was just obvious because she brings cattiness and drama.


I also preferred Merly-Sue and Johnny's outfit. I am not a big fan of the culotte.

Lydia was the correct designer to go home. That dress was awful. Polyester and sequins is always going to be hideous.


If Merlin doesn't watch it, he's going to come off as smart and a nice guy.


Brooklyn Bomber on 6/19/09 at 10:34 AM said... Oh, NOTE TO BRAVO: When the judge says a particular detail is the best thing about a design (for example, the back of a coat that ends up winning), please show the freaking detail for more than a fraction of a second.


NO SHIT!!!!

TampaBay


If we choose the hanging by a thread piece than I think both designers should be standing up for elimination, because they are both responsible for it.


Personally, I thought all the outfits looked rather shite last night — some nice elements, but put together, a handful of hot mess.

Liked Anna's jacket and the fabric for Haven's "culottes," but was blinded by the shirt fabric and wood splints so that I couldn't see the shirt's design attributes.

Nothing could save the James-Paul/Lidia monstrosity, but I was sorry to see Lidia go. Her clothes were never boring, even if they did veer into hideous land.

Instead, we are stuck with Johnny and Haven for another week, the Suede and Vincent Libretti of The Fashion Show. How long will I have to watch them churn out their special brand of "fashion" and listen to Johnny's soundbites?


SUS on 6/19/09 at 10:56 AM Nothing could save the James-Paul/Lidia monstrosity, but I was sorry to see Lidia go. Her clothes were never boring, even if they did veer into hideous land.

I disagree. James-Paul/Lidia monstrosity needed editing. If they had more time and had a mentor to pull them out of their conceptual heads, the design could have worked. I liked the JP coat.

TampaBay


Ohhh... I like I like! Hmm let's see, I really liked that idea of changing the show to like a senior designer and everyone is trying to be like junior designer and stuff. That would really give them kind of more "this is the real world" type feel. LIke just have Issac bring them into his line and kick them off as time goes on I mean... Issac will make money and I'm sure people will tune in.

I'm loving that jacket and skirt, well except for the waist of the skirt. If only they kind of ended it like right above the belt but... meh.

As per your comments already, that losing dress is atrocious and I'm almost positive my 8 year old little cousin wouldn't have evven liked it.

Loving the site... I'll always be in.


"They translated the hell out of it for sale, but it's not bad-looking except for maybe the waist."


Yup, it looks like a knock-off.
Lidia's dress looked like something Vera Wang would have designed. I didn't think it was THAT bad, with a little tweaking....


I loved that this challenge is a total rip-off of the DVF collection PR challenge, except all the real designers out there are too loyal to Heidi and Tim to go on TFS!
I think they are probably testing to see whether Veronica Webb will work as a Kelly Rowland replacement. Unf I also think they are delusional in thinking there will be another season of this show, so far it is not proving itself worthy of one.


ooooooooh the other hanging by a thread outfit was way to ugly duckly a total halloween disaster, I can't wait for TLo to rip it apart.


Something that was mentioned on the preview thread about the issue of reruns

I doubt that the show is doing that well. They did not air the repeat immediately after the first run as they normally do. They replaced it with some NJ Housewife special with "unseen footage" and waited until after that to rerun TFS

sad sign indeed

Frank


Lidias dress was hideous but the real reason she had to go is that she's not a drama queen like Daniella - those pants she made were just as ugly.


Can someone tell me what was the special advantage in winning the mini-challenge? Please don't make me watch the episode again to find out.


Anonymous on 6/19/09 at 11:22 AM ...said Something that was mentioned on the preview thread about the issue of reruns

I doubt that the show is doing that well. They did not air the repeat immediately after the first run as they normally do. They replaced it with some NJ Housewife special with "unseen footage" and waited until after that to rerun TFS

Frank-Did you see it. The directors cut of RH of NJ was one of the best tacky reality show train wreck episodes I have every see. If I were programing BRAVO TV I would have done the same thing.

TampaBay


PS Did anyone notice how many more comments are by Anonymous? It's like everyone's embarrassed to admit they're watching this show.


Speaking detail, as cute as the culottes were, Haven didn't match the pattern thru the seams, causing a disconnect of the stripes at the sides. This really made them look cheap. Isn't the shorts the only piece she did?


Tampa Bay, it was the finale of NJ Housewives, so yeah, Bravo is flogging it for all it's worth.

I agree though, TFS is probably not meeting expectations. It's getting a little better (not enough) but the initial eps turned off a lot of people.


I know that we have previously made exemptions for Fern because she is fabulous, but it does feel a little weird when she is saying something looks awful while wearing something even worse!


I agree completely. Fern needs some new gays, stat.


I'm sorry to see sweet Lidia go, but that dress was an unmade bed. Yikes.

I didn't like Daniella's pants, the fabric looked like milky yogurt colors. I didn't see the mood board inspiration there at all. I loved that Reco just stood there in front of the judges and she was the one who started pointing fingers first. That's so weak, Daniella!


Merlin and Johnny's advantage was 5 minutes with Isaac.


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Nancy (nanflan) on 6/19/09 at 11:36 AM said...Tampa Bay, it was the finale of NJ Housewives, so yeah, Bravo is flogging it for all it's worth.

Nancy-You are correct but the finale was so over the top with bitchy drama that BRAVO made a second finale episode called "The Director's Cut" with even more wacky tacky footage.

Tacky but very entertaining.

TampaBay


Besides her dress being such a mess, I think Lidia was sent home also because she couldn't say what kind of body her dress was designed for. Lidia seemed pretty sweet, and she might have some talent that couldn't shine through under the stress of this dumb ass show, but she should be able to answer that question.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't this challenge to take the bedraggled party girls who stayed out all night and re-dress them for the office? On that basis alone the gold draped dress should be the loser.

Besides which, all of the party girls are clearly dressed in SUMMER WEAR!!!! Who the hell shows up in heavy wool coats the next morning? Did the designers ever even THINK about consistency? Clearly the folks who formulated the challenge knew what season the show would be aired, but the designers chose the heavy winter fabrics that apparently matched the weather at the time the show was being filmed. The Magical Elves would never have allowed this glaring consistency error.

Also, the winning look? Interesting, but hardly work wear, either. And yes, Bravo translated the hell out of it for the website, making a perfectly fugly outfit out of an exciting creation.

Lastly, Isaac rudely telling Daniella that her look was just awful during judging?? CRIMINY!!!! It got applause on the runway! And maybe it was me, but wasn't Isaac muttering compliments as it marched by? The least he could have done was be more diplomatic. Just imagine how the Project Runway judges would have handled this critique and you immediately know why this program is failing. Isaac lacks heart and quite obviously isn't about to give anything of himself in the way of constructive criticism during judging or at any other time.

What a total jerk.

EPIC FAIL.


Didn't Kelly tell them at the start that they would be making a design for Heather's collection? Then at review and during judging, it morphed into a design inspired by Heather's collection. Those are two different design briefs, and they do this basically every week.

And I'm really over 'x'% of the audience would buy, blah blah blah. That is not a critique. There's almost no critique in the judging, that is why we love Nina and the Dutchess so. I actually learn about fashion watching PR, I learn to be a bitchy queen watching TFS.


Lydia was grooving on Becki Newton's dress. Go back and look.
The idea wasn't BAD, but the swath of gold was TOO big.

I didn't like the pan flutes on the winning look. My hair is gonna tangle up in that crap.


Oh, BTW-Veronica got new girls?? She looks a lot more happier and relaxed than she did on TGG2S.


Anonymous said...
Merlin and Johnny's advantage was 5 minutes with Isaac.

And second place was 10 minutes with Isaac.


I didn't watch the episode last night, and judging by the all of the comments here and the pictures on the Bravo site, I didn't miss much. I thought Merlin & Johnny's looked better than Anna & Haven's, but still not great.

Usually by this stage in the competition on PR, there are a dozen or so garments that I absolutely covet - on this show, there have only been 2 or 3. That is the main reason this show is a big FAIL for me, on top of the nastiness and the poor lighting.


from the way the winning garments have been translated for retail, i pity the winner of this show-- all they'll receive is a butchering of their vision!


MouseAnony:

The mini challenge was making over the assistants not the main challenge.

And yes the point originally was to make an outfit that would be part of Isaac's new collection.

Anna made the coat-which probably was the deciding factor for their win. Haven made the top and the shorts. The fact she was able to make it in so short a time was shocking-for her I mean.

Personally I didn't hate Daniella/Reco's outfit. It just was okay. Using that material as pants was not that great of an idea but a full length skirt would not have been any better. A short skirt with a different shape would have been the best solution.

Frank


OMG the translation of Haven and Anna's outfit is HORRIFIC seriously!
And umm yeah I agree with your comment about Miss Veronica Webb, maybe Kelly should get the boot and make room for Veronica I think this type of show is a little more fitting for her.


More venting here.

I thought that the main challenge was poorly conceived. Why only allow two designers to see Isaac's collection and ask him questions? If the designers were all supposed to act as if they were his real-life assistant designers, why not show them all the collection so they'd be designing something that actually fit in with it?

It just seemed selfish and pointless not to give them ALL a preview of what Isaac was looking for. I couldn't help contrasting this with numerous Project Runway episodes where the designers would be given a group Q&A session regarding the garment to be done, including once right in Michael Kors' design studio. Why keep Isaac's collection behind a curtain? Does the boss in a design house actually hide his collection from his assistant designers? Could this show manage to come up with a "real life" challenge that was any further removed from real life?

Also, I apologize for mixing up the mini-challenge (work wear) with the main challenge in my prior post. You can tell I was semi-snoozing off during the entire episode. At one point, I actually set my iPhone's alarm to go off five minutes before the show ended so I wouldn't miss who won if I fell soundly asleep.

If THAT isn't the ultimate damning comment on this show, I don't know what is.

Also, a very telling commentary on the show is that the only guest judge they could rustle up for this later episode was the woman who failed so miserably as Tim Gunn's co-host. Could it be that rumors were already floating about that this show was going to be a dog with fleas?

EMPHATICALLY EPIC FAIL.


Oh please, Daniella's ugly granny unflattering pants with ugly orange jacket!!!???


p.s. Oh I forgot we're in the season of ugly colors!


Get Mizrahi off the co-hosting gig and make him the senior designer who has to present an inspiration board every week and yell at the designers as they struggle to realize his vision. It'd be more interesting than this season, that's for sure.

Well, I think lets just loose him all together, we can have him be the senior designer ONE week, but lets switch it up to a new designer each week.

This would be fun cause they can have a very "earthy" designer one week, and a very "out there" designer the next. That would make the challenges unique. Trying to mesh their style with the designers.

That way we wouldn't have to hear... "That's so Mizrahi" every 10 seconds during judging.


Agree with the outing. Lidia's design was pretty bad. Not sure what happened. Fern was probably right, "it got lost in translation". Again, her time-management is just as bad as Angel's. If only JP and Lidia put two pieces together earlier, they could've tried some editing. But it looked like Lidia was delusional about her design till she was asked to defend it. Could be lack of sleep.

The simplest improvement to the show would be to give designers more time to design. We see them hastily sketching inside the store. Of course, it would be even better to give designers at least a day more to make the outfit.
It feels like all TFS producers want is drama and not the quality clothes and design process.

-Ju


I say get Rachel Zoe as a rotating judge. I enjoyed her on PR and see knows how to critique.

TampaBay


In my opinion, if you had taken the jacket from Haven/Anna, the plaid skirt from Merlin/Johnny, and the blue top from Reco/Daniella, THEN you would have had a winning outfit. As it is, I thought all the actual outfits had flaws.

The top on the winning outfit had the "I'm going to rip out your chest" claws", the top of Merlin's outfit had horrible fabric, and everything BUT the top on Reco's outfit was ugly.


"Speaking detail, as cute as the culottes were, Haven didn't match the pattern thru the seams, causing a disconnect of the stripes at the sides. This really made them look cheap. Isn't the shorts the only piece she did?"

Yes, yes, Ellen, you are correct. This is how dear little Haven was able to sew so fast. She didn't match the pattern at the seams. On a basic pair of short, for crying out loud. I noticed it right away. It's a sign of chip, chip craftsmanship and it would have been mentioned by the PR judges. BECAUSE THEY CONSIDER HOW WELL THE GARMENTS ARE SEWN!!!!!

I said I wasn't going to watch this show anymore, but I have a cold.

Did anyone else notice how Kelly said nothing once Isaac showed up? Bravo would show her face during the back hall conversations, but we heard not a word. I guess somebody finally figured out that every time she opens her mouth the show's credibility suffers.

-itsjustme


well, the wining garment was ugly to begin with and they made it even more uglier up for sale.


Agreed on Miz. This show is obviously a knockoff of PR so why remove one of their most successful elements. Get Isaac into a mentoring position with the designers. He can stay out of the Mini-Challenge so we can see their work with and without his input. He's obviously itching to say more during the walkthrus.

I really liked Anna's jacket. I didn't so much like the rendering available for sale. How did the shorts turn so fug?


Nine weeks until PR returns to it's prominent place on my DVR! As for last night...I agree-Kelly is a drip and Veronica was a smash hit as a judge. Personally, I really didn't mind the Reco/Daniella outfit. If it had won, I would hate to see how it would have been butchered for re-sale.
Keep up the good work guys, you are my thursday lunch break entertainment.


Lidia's dress didn't work out but at least everyone could think of ways it could be made to with some tweaks. However, if you're making JP look like the articulate one, you're in trouble.


WTF is that on the shirt? Couch legs? Carrots? Hot dogs?


I would love to get my hands on Lidia and her dress and tell her exactly how to retool it. I saw what she was going for and feel she had all the elements for greatness and completely missed the mark.

TampaBay


You know, it struck me just now. The losing design and model in the photograph shots looks just like Nina Flowers (from RuPaul's Drag Race), only worse!


TampaBay
6/19/09 12:53 PM said...
"I would love to get my hands on Lidia and her dress and tell her exactly how to retool it. I saw what she was going for and feel she had all the elements for greatness and completely missed the mark."

I guess we all could, but I don't think we would be able to manage her yet ambitious idea within 8 hours and lock of sleep, unless it's another pair of hideous short shorts.

-Ally


TampaBay said...

I would love to get my hands on Lidia and her dress and tell her exactly how to retool it. I saw what she was going for and feel she had all the elements for greatness and completely missed the mark
.

I agree, it could have been better had it been edited. I could see where it was going. However, it still was not Isaac Mizrahi AT ALL (neither was James-Paul's) and so I still don't think this look would have done well in the context of the challenge. The colors were all wrong and much too drab for Mizrahi, and it seems like they took the fish-scale-thing inspiration from the mood board and just went with that, completely disregarding other (and decidedly more important) aspects of Isaac's inspiration. They shot themselves in the foot from the get-go.


Anon. said, "If we choose the hanging by a thread piece than I think both designers should be standing up for elimination, because they are both responsible for it."

But it doesn't matter. "Hanging by a thread" is just a catch phrase. If it meant anything, thread-hangers would start the following challenge with some kind of disadvantage. But in fact they're on an equal footing with everyone else (or at least everyone who didn't win).

"Hanging by a thread," my ass. I'm just not buying it.


winninghamster

Snerk. Did you catch the look of pure, murderous rage on Heather Mizrahi's face when Haven was all "actually, Isaac, they're culottes!"


oh culottes are just "fantastic", LOL they would make any figure just look great in them! LOL seriously


The nadir of last night's show was the inevitable and pointless "hallway conversation" between Isaac and Kelly. That dialogue was so obviously scripted and so poorly delivered. Please, Bravo, STOP making them do that. It adds nothing.


Probably hideous floral pajama and halloween jacket were a true translation form Heather's mood board.


The major problem I can see with this 'Let's Make 'Em Junior Designers' is where are you going to get designers who actually want to spend weeks and weeks competing in a competition that's even less about their own style than the show is now?

These shows get designers who 1) want the money, 2) want to show off their own aesthetic and 3) want to throw their names into the industry.

I really don't want to watch a bunch of people trying to follow another designer's vision. I want to watch them try to follow their own vision.

This premise is exactly what Jillian of PR ran away from. Didn't she specifically say she didn't want to sit in a Ralph Lauren cubicle and design someone else's clothes?


Thatgirl,
Thank you. I am now going to work the catchphrase " That's so Mizrahi" into my daily speech as often as possible. I love it!


Anonymous on 6/19/09 at 1:05 PM said...I guess we all could, but I don't think we would be able to manage her yet ambitious idea within 8 hours and lock of sleep, unless it's another pair of hideous short shorts.

Here's what you do in eight hours; Layered dresses. Take the grey(?) silk/cotton/gaberdine and make a very form fitting long sleeved T-Shirt dress with a mid-range scoop neck. Take the shinny fish scales material and make a shorter spagetti straped T-Sirt dress with a deep deep scooped neck. (Think Pam Anerson) Put the fish scale dress over the gaberdine dress (because La Niz likes layers)thrown on the jacket and go! Add chartruse geen or bright pink high high heels for a pop of color

If I could sew I think I could do the above two dresses in eight hours.

TampaBay


Lidia had her opinion expressed in her exit interview which is interesting - http://www.bravotv.com/the-fashion-show/videos/out-of-line my guess is the one that they showed on TV didn't translate to the episode, such a bad editing. Looks like rubik planned it up.


I totally agree with everyone who said that Kelly should be replaced by Veronica Webb. This is her element. She was knowledgeable without being insulting and catty. She was a model for many years, she knows the industry better than Kelly Rowland ever will, and knew exactly what questions to ask and what critiques to give, again, without acting like a 7th grade mean girl for dramatic effect.
I'm so over this show. I honestly thought that Bravo learned from their mistakes and was going to put on a new and improved Project Runway type show - and I do like a couple of things, like Fern Mallis being a judge (although after seeing this season, she probably wishes she passed on it), and the idea of the mini-challenge in the beginning of each episode (unfortunately, the reality is that most of them have sucked). The designers seem to be whiny and clueless, the challenges are stupid and in some cases, demeaning, and 2 of the judges act like nasty middle school girls, conferring in the hallway to gossip about the designers and then belittle them in front of the class.
I honestly wanted to like this show and I tried to - really hard- but I'm done. I will now be content to read the TLo recaps and get a far more entertaining version of the show.


LOVE LOVE LOVE Reco's face when they butchered Daniella's design and praised his top, the piece she was questioning. Ahhhh, doesnt't it feel good to have your battles fought for you??


bradybutkus on 6/19/09 at 1:26 PM said...Thatgirl, Thank you. I am now going to work the catchphrase " That's so Mizrahi" into my daily speech as often as possible. I love it!

It ranks right up there with the catchpharse "Butt F-ing Ugly Harem Pants"!

TampaBay


Well, the right person went home (sorry Lidia, I actually like you, but...); but I can't agree with the winner.

One of the (many) things I hate about the voting/decision process on this trainwreck is that none of the designers are criticized OR commended for any POV or cohesiveness from challenge to challenge. Haven is barely kidded about making shorts every other day. No one tells Daniella to stop making 1950's Simplicity patterns.

How can they select one designer to produce a line if they never consider what their line might look like? Even if they do that at the very end...it's too late.

WTH with those demi-baguettes on the 'winning' blouse?

And I'm sorry JP, your jacket might have had potential, but I'm tired of hearing about all the geometry that goes into your designs instead of some indication that you understand how to clothe a woman's body. Of course, we all saw how you "minimize" shoulders, so you clearly don't understand. Maybe JP's client is the cubist woman.


Haha, it makes sense that they didn't show the right footage of her exit interview, you can also tell by the clothes she wore, she actually smiled and wasn't in the crying mood at all, such a silly and irrelevant editing by producers.


I didn't notice until this episode how pretty Daniella is.
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An example of the power of cyberspace, when Lidia was cut, my first thought was, "Sewing Siren is going to be sad."


Actually the dress doesn't look that bad on on the dress form in the pis on bravo site -
http://www.bravotv.com/episode-7-what-they-wore

I liked what Lidia is wearing...


When will reality shows stop with the repeating of scenes when they come back from break? They only give us 45 minutes and we do not have that short of an attention span that we need their mini cliffhangers repeated 2-3 minutes later. Nor do we watch for the scenes of New York from the air and from the ground. We have seen buildings before! Spend more time on the designing and the drama! I think The "Fashion" Show needs to find a better balance between fashion, filler, and drama. They might find, then, a larger and more enthusiastic audience. Oh, and if I wanted to watch 'manufactured' drama, I would watch that p. o. s. "I'm a Celebrity: Get Me Out of Here" Bravo needs to step up and step back and allow the real drama of people and design unfold without jacking us around with faux drama.

Imagine, if you will, how well these designers might do if they did not have too short a time to plan, a budget, were not forced to pair up with people they hate, and did not have to perform stupid challenges that no one in real life has to do. Where is the "reality" in all that?

We might find entertainment in more actual fashion designing and less tacking on of the shiny stuff.


Now I know Veronica was on the wrong show. Replace Kelly with Veronica and get a co-host who actually does know something about clothes and doesn't get miffed if a designer from Indiana doesn't know the ins and outs of B-girl. Isaac doesn't need a second bitch--he needs a, er, straight girl.


Junior designers and a mood board is the best idea! Course, they won't do it because they never saw another show that did it.


Junior designers and a mood board is the best idea! Course, they won't do it because they never saw another show that did it.


Junior designers and a mood board is the best idea! Course, they won't do it because they never saw another show that did it.


Tamarama on 6/19/09 at 1:50 PM said... One of the (many) things I hate about the voting/decision process on this trainwreck is that none of the designers are criticized OR commended for any POV or cohesiveness from challenge to challenge.

How can they select one designer to produce a line if they never consider what their line might look like? Even if they do that at the very end...it's too late.

The designers should be told at the begining that their whole body of work will be judged in the final challege as a collection. They must compete in the weekly challenges but their POV must be expressed in each design. Kenley, PPS, ULI and Laura Bennet did this. IMO the only contestant from TFS who has succeeded in a body of work looking like a collection is JP.

TampaBay


MORE VERONICA WEBB!!!!! She was lousy as a sidekick on the Tim Gunn show, but she totally rocked on this one. She's too smart for being the sidekick -- she needs to be a judge and commentator, so that she can keep saying such smart things. She also sounded like she had really done her homework.


My husband asked, "Who the hell is Veronica Webb? A model and writer?! Pfft. What's she written?".

I shushed him to stop interrupting my show with his fashion-ignorant questions.

About ten minutes later he said, "You know... she's actually not stupid". (High praise, from my computer-geek spouse.)

I agree. Veronica came off really well, and would make a great Kelly-replacement.


Can anyone really say that they would wear that "winning" combination??

Wiht all due respect, I don't think even a blind person would wear that top with those "culottes". I mean it looks like something I do as a joke when I am buying two totally opposed colors/pattern... and then ask the clerk, "won't these make a GORGEOUS outfit"? and then watch as their expression turns to horror and they get speechless, when I confess that I was joking.

The runner up outfit was far, far better.

Oh but to be fair, IM's inspiration board was awful.


I agree TLo, If TFS actually was based on the contestants being junior designers it would be interesting, within reason. Would they allow for the designers to infuse their own elements? Avant Garde, Sportswear, high glamour, etc or would they be required to follow in Isaacs footsteps. And was it just me, it was Isaacs collection ugly? I don't get the fashion, I felt like I was watching a show in a parallel universe. When I watch PR (America and Australia) I feel like I GET the fashion, I usually can predict the highs and lows. I understand the judges criticisms and mostly agree (They were wrong about Allison). That is not me bragging, I couldn't design these clothes but I can appreciate the finished product. I admit that a lot of my 'fashion education' has come from PR and TLo.

But when it comes to TFS, I have no clue. I think the fabrics are ugly. I don't get harem pants or any of the weird baggy, fluffy pants. I thought bared stomachs was a mid 90s thing. I do like a few of the jackets. But I just dont get it. And Isaacs collection? I don't get it at all. Is it just me?

So I think the show would be more interesting if they worked under Isaac but I think his collection is ugly so I doubt I would get the clothes any better.


Alot of people have been using the term "chip in a chip way" around these parts...and I have NO CLUE what this means. Will someone fill me in?


" A lot"...problems with English today, it seems!


winninghamster said...
Snerk. Did you catch the look of pure, murderous rage on Heather Mizrahi's face when Haven was all "actually, Isaac, they're culottes!"

6/19/09 1:15 PM

Yes! Caught that. Not the first time he's done that to somebody who has the temerity to correct him, however diplomatically.

It seems like Isaac prattles on, using his own mental script, and doesn't want to be interrupted. Goes something like this:

-Flutter hands, state general reaction. Everything is really good this time! Fake a smile.

-Make "serious look," pronounce qualified positive judgement on one garment.

-Smile and make a "Light And Airy" comment about the next garment to prove I'm not 100% negative. No need, however, to make sense, but keep the attention on ME, ISAAC MIZRAHI. "It makes me feel like a butterfly."

-Flutter hands, then make wild, wide gesture with hands. "That's very interesting. What did you do there?" (Maybe I'll copy it in my next collection.)

-Glare out from under eyebrows in faux image of serious caring. Actually, I don't care at all. It's not MY, work, the work of ISAAC MIZRAHI.

-Make some random observation about the next garment while mentally calculating how much money I'll be making from all this publicity.

-Whaaaa? You DARE correct THE GREAT ISAAC MIZRAHI? What the hell did she say? Stare threateningly anyway, even though I'm clueless because I wasn't really paying attention and was just trying to keep the attention on ME, ISAAC MIZRAHI.

-Move on, flutter hands in irritated fashion. Trash somebody big time to reassert control.

-Trash somebody else just for the fun of it. I AM ISAAC MIZRAHI, bitches.


Anonymous said...
"Merlin and Johnny's advantage was 5 minutes with Isaac"

And Johnny later said that he'd "do" Isaac.

My skin, it crawls. Not becaue of Isaac, but because of Johnny, and I'm a bear. There's something about him that absolutely disgusts me. Whatever it is, it comes out in his clothing.


Fell asleep during both airings of the show. Such a bad reaction from last week. Liked the culottes very much, would buy them, I enjoy and go out of my way to find culottes. Top was right, they ran out of time as to how to make a good design and went for the wood embellishment, which is wrong. Good over all effect. The Bravo version is not even a distant cousin of the intended design on either item. The culottes are now window drapes, Bad ones. The shirt fabric just lost its complimentary rainbow zing and the shape is fugly. Waistband horrendous. These Bravo folk are cracked, obviously. Taste level zero.

I did not dislike Lidia's dress nearly as much as everyone else. Execution - poor, but I did like it. Jacket wonky, but interesting. Not bad. Not a loser. Oh well. She was outta here with that Blanik atracity (sp?). She'll be fine, there's a designer in there somewhere someone will recognize and work with.

The changing tentants of the challenge pits this show like no other. What a bunch of fools.

I did indeed cancel cable till 8/20 -PR! My inspiration - TFS. I would NEVER PAY to see this show.


Whitney: "chip in a chip way" was uttered by a guest judge designer on PR; I think it was Roberto Cavalli. Don't remember the exact context, but someone else will.


It's hard to say for sure, but when Haven said "Actually they're called culottes this week..." I thought she was making a little joke at her own expense. In any event, IM's reaction seemed a bit overdone.

I'm not a culottes person in the slightest, but these were kinda cute. Maybe because they looked like a skirt!

p.s. IM, get over to the Tresemme salon and pick up a bottle of shampoo!


I like the idea about making the contestants "junior designers" but wonder about whether their egos would allow this. After all, aren't they all shown as "founders" of some unknown line? Which has consistently puzzled me as what they're putting forward each week has been so frequently dreadful.

I hadn't watched Tim's show previously so didn't make the connection with Veronica from that but really sat up and took notice when she made her comments because they were striking in being so much better than what we've been offered on this show.

yeah, dump Kelly (please!) and replace her with Miz Veronica.

but really, I'm just ready for August to get here so we can go back to watching PR and try (very hard) to forget this trainwreck.

srq


Margaret said, "Whitney: 'chip in a chip way' was uttered by a guest judge designer on PR; I think it was Roberto Cavalli. Don't remember the exact context, but someone else will."

I don't think it was Cavalli. It was what's her name. Oh, hell. Famous Italian woman designer, wasn't it? I can see her, just can't find the name in my cache browser. Anybody?


The "It's chip in a chip way" comes from guest Judge Alberta Ferretti in Season 4 of PR judging the Avant Garde challenge:

http://projectrungay.blogspot.com/2008/01/bridesmaid-curse-strikes-again.html


I wanted to root for her.. I did! She seemed so likable.

The pigeon cooing thing was hilarious. Too bad the dress didn't work out in the end.

Does JP and his explanations confuse them so much they turn to someone else to boot? lol

Don't like the translation of the winning outfit.


The "chip in a chip way" has become so ingrained in my consciousness that every time I see a garment by Alberta Feretti in a magazine, all I think about is whether it looks chip or not.

MouseAnon -- loved your recap of Sir Isaacness and his performance. Dead on.

itsjustme


Veronica Webb nailed her audition! When she said that she would wear that outfit on the runway, the whole room wanted to applaud (except Kelly Rowland, of course.)


Oz said...

"When she said that she would wear that outfit on the runway, the whole room wanted to applaud (except Kelly Rowland, of course.)"

I'm not trying to insult you, but if you look at the video on youtube or the rerun, you'll see that they all said "WOW!" at the same time, including NotBeyonce. It was as fake as a circa 1975 chrome artificial Christmas tree.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2YSJfLU9NU&feature=channel_page

Skip to about 3:00 to 3:05.

Gag.


"My skin, it crawls. Not because of Isaac, but because of Johnny, and I'm a bear. There's something about him that absolutely disgusts me."

He is a repulsive character-- he's slovenly in manner & appearance, self-indulgent, lazy, and wears a top knot. What's to like?


Adding to the other explanations, the "chip" in "chip in a chip way" means "cheap."


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Oz o 6/19/09 at 5:04 PM said... Veronica Webb nailed her audition!

Veronica is/would be a better co-host than Kelly because she is more qualified, a professional in the fashion industry, better educated and more experienced with reality TV. Veronica will have/has no trouble handling Heather LaMiz.

Kelly is singer/actress (not a fashion insider) who became a celebutante. Kelly is not a bad host but it is obvious that she can't handle LaMiz which is fifferent from Fern who just seems to ignore him. Kelly is on par IMO with Posh Spice as far as hosting goes. Kelly must be doing this gig to pay for a new condo or an addition to her house becuase I don't see TFS as being her kind of "thing".

TampaBay


Bravo definitely put this on the back burner.

They're not even showing the rerun until 8:30 Sunday Morning, in between marathons of the New Jersey swines.


Go into Wikipedia and search for "Kelly Rolland". Take a good look at the picture of her and study the dress...er..table cloth....she is wearing and you can understand why I feel that TFS is not really her kind of gig.

TampaBay


It would be better if you searched for "Kelly Rowland," since that's her actual name.


Anonymous on 6/20/09 at 10:12 AM said... It would be better if you searched for "Kelly Rowland," since that's her actual name.

LOL! LO! You are correct. I need ten more cups of coffee.

TampaBay


Friends, the lighting is low b/c someone important to the production -say, Heather, mandates that it be low so the kack of detail makes the clothes ambiguous and the production's own, not the viewers. They don't WANT you to see clearly.

Why would someone, Veronica Webb included, want to attatch themselves to this show? In her case, god forbid, they would muzzle her or she would become the star. They went with weak so it's just arm candy and the "star".


Meant to type "lack", not "kack". Oops.


I know the site for the original show was provided to Whitney, & I hope she views it, that was great one. America's ears fell in love with "chip in a chip way". The Judge's European accented "CHEAP, IN A CHEAP WAY", comment that's all. Which says it all so well we've been saying/copying it, ever since. Right along with Nina's "short, tight & shiney" and Michael Kor's "slutty, slutty, slutty" and "that crotch was INSANE". Ear candy.


Barbh on 6/20/09 at 10:51 AM said...Friends, the lighting is low b/c someone important to the production -say, Heather, mandates that it be low so the kack of detail makes the clothes ambiguous and the production's own, not the viewers. They don't WANT you to see clearly.

barbh, girlfriend, yu are sooo on target. The reason they do not want you to see the clothes in full detail is because the winner is selected based on what can be massed produced and what will sell on ShopBravoTV.com.

Also, the powers that be do not want a lot of returns from ShopBravoTV.com due to the garments purchased not being equivalent to what was on the runway. I also think the producers knew, at the time of casting, the contestants lack superior sewing and execution skills. The bad lighting waxes over this dirt to some degree.

TampaBay


the losing dress deserved to lose...it was FUGLY!!!


So I've stopped watching this show, and am now only reading your blogs about the show. Which seems to indicate that Bravo should abort and just give you two a show in which you recap what might have happened had the show continued. That, certainly, would be more entertaining.


That winning blouse appeared to have fingers glued to the front. I found it unnerving.


Ooooo, I'm so sad we lost Lidia. I liked her dress, but it did not fit in to the Mizrahi collection at all.

Johnny lucked out by getting such a humble and talented partner who was willing to do all the hardest work. I thought their out fit should have won.

I liked the jacket that Anna did, but I didn't love it. Hated the shorts. I hate paper bag waists to begin with. I also disliked the mix of fabrics.

I didn't hate Daniella's and Reco's as much as the judges did. A better compromise/collaberation may have been to shorten the ball gown, for a very full street length skirt.


Yikes.

The original vs. the Bravo copy is like the difference in look and quality between Farragamo and Sears shoes. One is elegant and uses magnificent materials and the other .. .. just .. .. doesn't.


Such a waste of the fabulous Becky Newton.


Where did the fabric come from? For the most part, the colors look muddy and washed-out--fugly. To me, that is what set apart the winner: the colors were clear and crisp. The culottes print was very nice; the Bravo version, hideous.

I think for the top, they needed to have a plain neckline or even a little collar.

Not lovin' Merlin and Johnny's stuff, but lovin' sweet little Merlin.

Daniela's pants, long or short, were hideous. They look like something a Golden Girl would wear, but in uglier fabric. Reco's top is pretty cute.


Daniella's pants were seriously fugly. Who would ever wear them?? Hideous. I liked Reco's shirt. Very cute. And I just love Merlin! I loathed him the first episode, but he seems like a doll. Hilarious and bitchy but a doll. I have to say the women are all very awful. Angel and Lidia were cool but the rest don't come across as particularly recommendable human beings (editing?)


Sorry, Ellen M. Just saw your post re Daniella's pants. As you can see, I agree!


Oh Noes! What happens to Recco to make him tear? Who's a big meanie to Recco!!?!


bitchybitchybitchy

I have mixed feelings about the winning design-the best part was the coat, and the embellishment-whatever that was on the neckline of the top was bad.

I was hoping that we'd seen the last of the team challenges, but then they do create the drama the producers want, what with Daniella and Reco clashing and producing a fug, fug, fugly design.


I finally figured out what the embellishments on Haven's top remind me of...corn dogs. Every time I look at the shirt I feel like she has some new multi-function shirt that stores corn dogs at the neckline for easy eating. No wonder it was the winning design!


"She was a shitty co-host on Tim's show but she turned out to be a very good judge."

She was the best judge they've had on this show. I'd like to see her co-host this show next season (if there is one).


Since the consensus here feels that TFS should replace BeNOTcye with Veronica if they pick up a second season:

Let's file a petition!


Second season?

You're joking, right?

This thing is the Titanic on LSD. Once it sinks, that's it. But REALLY spiffy wave patterns during the final blub-blub-blub.

Translation: The remaining episodes will be so spectacularly sucktastic that they will create an elite new art form.





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