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TFS: Team Haven

It's safety pin time!


But before we get to that, we may as well spare a couple of words regarding the mini-challenge.

And we really mean "a couple words." It just wasn't interesting enough to devote an entire post to it. Bitchy face here didn't even give us anything to complain about.

They've done challenges like this on Top Chef and Top Design and for the most part, they worked in those settings.

The problem with doing it on a show like this is that it really has nothing to do with being a designer. This is a task and a challenge for a stylist. As a challenge, it told us nothing about the people involved.

And that concludes our thoughts on the mini-challenge. Seriously, we've got nothing. Let's rip dresses!

We have no idea how or why Haven got chosen as the team leader but we bet that's the last time that's gonna happen.

Because all she managed to do was bring unnecessary bitchiness to the table without actually doing anything to lead her team. Looking over the collection, there was absolutely no cohesiveness to it. Plus, as we said before, she should have never allowed Laura to buy or use that red tulle.

Feh. It's a little too precious and little too poorly executed.

Although the model had a great walk.

The top of that bust is all kinds of bad and is that a side zipper or just a really bad seam?

Seriously, who the hell saw ANY of these details on the TV screen? Apparently, some of the designers decided to make Angela Keslar's patented fleurchons something of a theme although we don't recall hearing any such discussion.

It's better than most of the entries on this team. Scratch that - it's better than ALL of them, but that doesn't mean it was a great dress.

It's that slash of white that really grates. It looks like it should say MISS UTAH or something.

Too many elements for one dress.

The judging on this show isn't great, but they did manage to effectively rip the hell out of this one. We've got nothing to say that wasn't already said.

Shapeless, colorless, boring. And why was Markus going on about her supposed great walk? She stomped down that runway like she was putting out a fire.

Kelly nailed it when she said it looked like diapers. That's exactly what we were thinking.

As bad as this was, we thought the judges were right not to put it at the absolute bottom of the pile. There was enough of an idea there to keep him in even if it was executed very poorly.

Tacky, tacky, tacky.

When Isaac comes in and asks you if that top is going to stay up, that's code for "that top is too small." Learn to speak "judge," Johnny.

The skirt wasn't too bad. The fabric's decent and there was an idea there, even if it didn't come out as well as it should have.

She's keeping that thing up on pure muscle control and a prayer. And lots and lots of titty tape.

This was unforgivable. One thing we've noticed about the show so far: almost NONE of these designers seemed to be able to budget their time well. On shows like this there's always a learning curve for these sorts of things, but we can't ever recall a cast where the majority of them can't seem to figure out the time restraints. It's making for an awful lot of bad dresses.

And yes, he was a petulant little brat about the whole thing. We'll give him credit for having the sense to apologize for it afterwards (could you imagine Santino doing that?). You might think that such a little temper tantrum should have resulted in an automatic auf "Bye-bye," but Laura's dress was so much worse than his that we can't fault the judges for their decision.


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I'm still trying to like this show - it's got potential, but it's also got so many issues! Too much scripted interplay with the judges, designers that can't SEW, for God's sake, and lame ass challenges. I'll keep up with this season (it has some good things - I love Kelly), but I dunno....


I don't get contestants like Johnny who say they aren't good at sewing and have others to do that for them. I mean, if you're a designer, it behooves you to know how the hell to sew, even if you've got a SWAT team to do it for you. Would anyone on Top Chef or Shear Design get away with saying they're not really good at cooking or hairstyling since they've got people to do that for them?


The purpose of the mini challenge , I thought, was to show the designers that it can be difficult to tell the difference between the high and budget end of fashion. Sometimes you ARE just paying for a label.
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I thought it laughable that this group was blaming the red tulle for their problems.

Haven's outfit was horrid.

Tennessee's was well made, but not cute.

The bubble with two shades of white, looked like a dirty diaper.

And Johnny pom-pom's, was Franken-tittie. No redeeming qualities, he should have gone home and not for his attitude, for his lack of talent.


There's an overall lack of sophistication among the designers on this show; too many of them seem to think skimpy = sexy, and sexy is all that matters. The results show how wrong they are on both counts.

Robert, above, said, "if you're a designer, it behooves you to know how the hell to sew,"

But even more than that, isn't part of being a good designer understanding construction and fit? It's not just about drawing cute pictures and then running 'em up on a sewing machine. Johnny, for example, was done in less by his lack of sewing skills than he was by his cluelessness about proportion and fit. His design had potential, but apparently he had no idea how to (forgive me) make it work.


Yay, a Sunday blog!!

I agree with Sewing Siren about the purpose of the mini-challenge, but then I thought, "Would the sponsors really want people to think that way about the sham value of labels?" And then I thought, "Oh, wait, that's right. None of this is supposed to make good business sense!"

Can't wait for Reco to get into a winning group so he can win. I really am impressed with his technical skills and the design sense is there, somewhere, pretty much.


Sewing Siren said, "The purpose of the mini challenge , I thought, was to show the designers that it can be difficult to tell the difference between the high and budget end of fashion."

Yeah, but what's the point of that? It seemed more of an America's Next Top Model challenge. The other weird thing about it was when a team had 2 mistakes and then made a bunch of switches and ended up with only one mistake -- how is that possible? The whole thing made no sense.


While I do think the right person was sent home in the last episode, I agree that Haven is partly to blame for the team's overall loss. She basically decided the concept for their collection would be stuff she likes to wear (80's stuff?), rather than really thinking about the client.


I liked Reco's (Baldy) dress becuase it was well executed and it fitlike a glove. Like Michael Knight, Reco understands a woman's body. I think this understanding is due to Reco (like Michael Knight) being from "The South" where women wear clothes that mould the body.

TampaBay


I was shouting, "I would SO rock this mini-challenge!" Goodwill Goddess that I am. But yeah, not particularly useful for a designer, unless you specialize in reworking previously made garments. Then you want the good fabric so it holds up to the washing and ripping and stitching.

I think Haven was made team leader in the hope that she'd be sent home if they whiffed it. Linda Evans? Really? sigh.

I'll be glad when we've whittled a bit and I can see more designing and construction. I AM going to get that, right Bravo?


I love Reco. I thought, of all of this team's dresses, his actually looked the most 80's to me. Was it a bit busy? Goodness yes. BUT. It was sewn so beautifully and fit so nicely that when it sashayed down the runway my first thought was, "Reco soooo needs to be on another team." I guess sewing all that spandex and whatnot for strippers really gives one mad skillz. I'm hoping he's not "bye-byed" before his time.


I'm getting no feel for the fashion on this show! The ProRun runway may be boring, but at least there's lighting and I can SEE the dresses. The camera movements and cuts are to herky-jerky to see the clothes as they are constructed. And the discussions in the workroom, and among the judges, are edited down to soundbites.

I'm not liking this show. And I have a feeling Project Runway might be "improved" in the same way when we see what the "Real World" producers have done.

Oh, and I hove bitchy commentary, but Isaac's is over the top and just bitter. There's no generosity there. I don't get the feeling he wants these people to succeed.


If Reco did that whole top in white, he would've really knocked it out of the ballpark.

Marcus' dress was badly done and reminded me of the dress Rachel Weisz wore at the Cartier shindig.

And as for Johnny Samurai, that was all the way OOGLY. The fabric used for the skirt was HIDEOUS, and don't even get me started on that ridiculous looking boustier.

Madame Samurai should be lucky that trailer trash hair made an even uglier dress, if that was humanly possible.


TLo said:
"The problem with doing it on a show like this is that it really has nothing to do with being a designer. This is a task and a challenge for a stylist. As a challenge, it told us nothing about the people involved."

I disagree that this was an inappropriate challenge. This was a lesson regarding being able to pump up less expensive materials with excellent design so that the garment would pass as expensive. It tested the designer's ability to discern expensive material from expensive-looking material, and top class construction from well-done construction that skillfully imitated top class construction.

And it DID tell us something about the people involved - we knew immediately which designers knew their materials and construction techniques cold.

Taken alone, one might justifiably ask "What does this have to do with the price of cheese in Lower Slobovia, anyway?" But the episode's two challenges are entwined, and we get the answer in the second one. The theory seemed to be that those who can discern the difference will be more able to take inexpensive materials and skillfully transform them into expensive-looking things of beauty. So, the ensuing elimination challenge was the acid test of this theory, forcing the designers to pack great design into a garment made with inexpensive but expensive-looking materials. I guess the point was that if you could see it, you could do it; but if you couldn't even tell that they did it and how they did it, you wouldn't be able to do it, either.

The lesson from the mini-challenge (oh, heck, from both challenges) was something that LeMiz should have been narrating for us, rather than leaving us to guess what the point was. He may not have realized that what was perfectly obvious to him and the designers while it was happening would not necessarily be so to us later in the broadcast. In Project Runway, Heidi, Dutchess and Nina are very good at tossing in a lot of self-evident comments on stuff they already know, so that those comments can be woven into a cohesive show during editing. They understand that they must narrate for the tv audience, so that the final cut of the show we see will be comprehensive, understandable, and compelling.

Isaac needs to add another whole layer to his performance: storytelling to share his understanding and analysis with the tv audience. I hope that he gets more comfortable, as Season 1 progresses, with speaking to the camera and including juicy tidbits about what the challenge is testing, as well as the basis for the judges' criticism and praise.

Then, the show will be "watch what happens" rather than "guess what's happening."


That quickfire challenge would have been much better on Stylista. I thought the value for designers was negligible because things like quality work probably cannot be achieved in 12 hours (as evidenced by Johnny's work).

Haven's outfit looked like a Kenley reject. And I didn't see the 80s influence in the diaper dress. And Johnny's titty tape and safety pin dress was horrible. That top didn't even seem to go with the bottom. I can at least see some 80s in the losing dress; it looked like something influenced by Betsey Johnson (as designed by a delusional person). I thought Reco's dress was the best of the bunch, which isn't saying much.


If Haven had mentioned Linda Evans one more time, I think her security detail would have been alerted. Kind of an obscure 'style' obsession in any event.

But despite all that talk, NONE of these looks would ever have been worn by Evans, even in the depths of the 80's, even in that episode where Alexis dropped acid into the Carrington's punch bowl on Thanksgiving.

There's something about this whole show that's just not plumb. But at least Shecky from Harpers was almost tolerable in this episode.

--GothamTomato


MouseAnony said, "Isaac needs to add another whole layer to his performance: storytelling"

It's the editing. The show is edited for soundbytes, not storytelling.


Ms. Miz. nailed it, How can you be on this show , in this business, if you can't sew! One thing PR has was the majority of the contestants have excellent sewing skills, Mr. Siriano, Ms. Bennett,
I saw better stuff with Rupaul's challenges!
I cringe when I see the bad sewing skills on this show


TLo said
"And why was Markus going on about her supposed great walk? She stomped down that runway like she was putting out a fire"

Thank you! I was watching looking for this great walk. She had that same crazy stomp Ongina did on Drag Race. Please don't let that be a trend.


Reco rocks!..


MyFawny on 5/17/09 at 1:51 PM Said:
TLo said
"And why was Markus going on about her supposed great walk? She stomped down that runway like she was putting out a fire"

Thank you! I was watching looking for this great walk. She had that same crazy stomp Ongina did on Drag Race. Please don't let that be a trend.

MyFawny-The only walk that worse belonged to Reco's model. She walked like Lurch of The Adams Family.

I miss following the models as they are a big part of the final execution process of fashion.

TampaBay


I'm with those who thought the mini-challenge was a good idea. I would think that part of being a commercially successful designer (one who farms out the construction and orders materials wholesale) is being able to specify materials, workmanship and construction technique, and to tell if they are getting what they are paying for.

And I so am on the "damn the editing" bandwagon. It is SO disjointed that I automatically chalk any bits that don't make linear sense when examined closely (like the number of switches made and the final tally of errors in the mini challenge) up to bits being edited randomly or out of sequence.

Really don't have much to say about the clothes, sadly. I'd have liked Reco's dress better without the black fleurchons. Not, as noted already, that I could have told that during the show. And to think I used to moan about PR's lighting on the runway. Heck, the lighting really doesn't matter when one doesn't get a clear view of a garment, or the clear shot is mere milliseconds long.


The time constraints on these shows are ridiculous. That said, I'm happy that T Lo mentioned time management. Aren't the people on TFS all business owners (or "business owners")? They should all know how to manage their time a whole lot better than they do. There was no excuse for Johnny to show a dress with safety pins in it. And I'm curious about his sewing team. Did he have a whole team when he started his designing business at the age of - what - 17? Shouldn't he have a clue? It would be like me saying "I can give you a manicure but someone else has to do the filing."

I liked Reco's dress. It might have been a little too busy, but I loved the design itself. And it fit beautifully.

sixgables said: "Linda Evans? Really? Sigh." Good lord, yes. Although Haven looks like someone who would unironically dress like Evans, I think she was trying a little too hard to be ironic.

Did Isaac say that everyone is stuck in the team they're in now? Because that just makes me sad for a few of them.

Whatever. I'm bitching about it, but I'll continue to watch it. I like the show.


I'm not feeling the love for this show. I'll give it one or two more eps to see if it can dust itself off. But it's knockoff, and a poor one at that. Even Counterfeit Chic commented on it.


"And why was Markus going on about her supposed great walk? She stomped down that runway like she was putting out a fire"


Her walk was awful.

I thought Johnny's dress was kind of cute; poorly executed, yes, but cute.


Markus' dress looked like a potato sack. I don't know how he went from puffy sleeves and all to that.

Yes, I agree, Tlo. Haven's model had a fierce walk.


I'd really rather a show where they don't have such a time limit and the dresses are executed without safety pins. :)


Where did these people come from?!! Half of them can't sew. Apart from that first winning dress by JamesPaul I haven't seen anything I would pay 25 cents for. Bad fit, hideous fabric and a dress that made the poor model look like she crapped herself! Yoiks! I can't wait till August.


I think they're going for "flash going off" effects during the runway but it makes it hard(er) to see the garments and may well induce seizure. Just. show. us. the. fashion.


Stomp stomp stomp! What was the deal with the Clydesdale Stomp and Markus thinking it was so awesome? It was just bad.

As for the dress with too much all thrown onto it? Yeah. Best of the bunch, and that's not saying much.

Then Haven saying, "it was inspired by the 80s" and all that crap? Barely. Just barely.

The scripts for this show have to go. Where's the spontaneity?


Just wanted to answer this quick question (even though it's not all that important):

"The other weird thing about it was when a team had 2 mistakes and then made a bunch of switches and ended up with only one mistake -- how is that possible?"If you have two mistakes, and make two switches which fix the mistakes and also another additional switch, you end up with one mistake. So 2 mistakes + 3 switches CAN = 1 mistake.


Wow, thanks for the Sunday treat!!
For me, the jury's still out on this show. In the meantime, I am just watching for the entertainment value. I'm not yet ready to dissect every aspect, because I'm not particularly enamoured of any of the contestants or their designs at this point. Hopefully, the entire show will become more polished (the runway lighting is atrocious). Until then, I just sit back, relax, watch and have a martini.


It isn't just the runway that is too dark. I get that feeling when they're in the workroom too. Either too dark or too cramped - I'm not sure which. But, on PR I always felt as if I had seen a good part of what was going on in the work room and had an idea of why something was done the way it was. This whole thing just seems much less viewer friendly. I'm going to stick with it but it is difficult.


I have to say that Markus achieved something that I had thought impossible: he made a model look short and dumpy.


I'm really trying to like this show. It's impossible not to compare it to PR, and so far it seems like the producers have gone out of their way to incorporate only those aspects of PR that many of us don't like:

*no model interaction - check

*poor lighting - check

*inability to get a good look at the clothing from concept to completion - double check

*No individual challenges, only teams - check

It's Bizarro Project Runway!!!


formerlyAnon said...
"I'm with those who thought the mini-challenge was a good idea. I would think that part of being a commercially successful designer (one who farms out the construction and orders materials wholesale) is being able to specify materials, workmanship and construction technique, and to tell if they are getting what they are paying for."
WORD!!!

BUT, I think there is something else entirely going on with this show that we haven't yet discussed.

By way of background, I think PR is just having fun trying to educate us about the world of producing glamorous clothing. I don't think they have any ulterior motive to try and push us all to buy them - they recognize that their viewing audience isn't the target market for this stuff.

Enter The Fashion Show. Their target market is us, ladies. Fern and LeMiz are all about mass-marketed clothing. We ARE the consumers of this product.

So, here's my revised thinking on these challenges - this show is shamelessly trying to market clothing to us, period. The challenges are all about creating a mindset to buy them.

This mini-challenge? The purpose was to show US, the viewing audience, that we can find inexpensive goods that look quite fashionable and well-made, if we but hunt for them. See? Watch, even most of the designers couldn't tell the difference!!! Of course, God only knows how long the crew shopped for those boxes full of stuff, but hey, if you're persistent, you can pull it off, too.

The elimination challenge was the same idea. We're NOT going to see "America's Next Top Designer," here. Rather, these are folks who may end up spending their careers laboring in the middle of the profession and might never emerge as the next Michael Kors or Diane Furstenburg. They are here to populate several set pieces dedicated to convincing us that mass-produced merchandise isn't all cheesy and that we should buy it.

Now go back and look at Episode 1 again. In the mini-challenge, we're being taught not to automatically reject clothing made out of cheap cotton because even that can be made into really fashionable stuff. (Hint, hint, paw through those racks, girl, and buy some of it.)

In Episode 1's elimination challenge, we're being shown how to find one core piece and build numerous outfits around it. Notice that if you bought a single nice suit, that's two pieces. Add a top or two and you're done. But, this episode urges you to buy a jacket, skirt, or pants, and then surround it with four tops, several different skirts, some pants, belts, etc. Your total tab? More than if you just bought the one perfect suit. Yes, we're being shown how to create a flexible wardrobe, but we're also being urged to buy a lot of pieces and accessories to accomplish that feat.

Plus? Every single episode has a gazillion commercials about how the winning looks can be purchased on the web site. Subliminal message: Don't bother spending half your life pawing through dreck to find the good stuff - buy it right here! Buy! Buy! Buy!

So, the cynical part of me says this show is dedicated to making us consumers of mass-marketed clothing, and specifically right from Bravo. I'd bet a year's salary that LeMiz gets a percentage of everything that sells on Bravo's web site becaue he's the Big Cheese, er, main arbiter of what is tasteful enough to be slapped onto the site. And I'm guessing that Fern's company gets a nice chunk of action, here, possibly by being the manufacturer of this mass-market merchandise.

So, yeah, while this is a "fashion show" and watching clothing construction is still very interesting, it's also one continuous commercial.

Something that PR most definitely is not.


I can't imagine what Johnny Japanese was thinking! (yes....the abundant hair and bun always reminds me of a samurai...on vacation...if that were possible =) )

I mean - to actually be bratty about a dress held up by safety pins! The top was terrible. It's barely an eye-mask, let alone a top.

The right person went home - Laura's dress was just too too terrible for her to stay.

P.S. Harpers Bitch needs to go. NOW.


Carol said...
"I can't imagine what Johnny Japanese was thinking! (yes....the abundant hair and bun always reminds me of a samurai...on vacation...if that were possible =) )

I mean - to actually be bratty about a dress held up by safety pins! The top was terrible. It's barely an eye-mask, let alone a top."
I actually don't think he is such a loser. He is exactly what you'd expect - the guy who comes up with a design, and then farms it out to a mass marketer.

However, since the show actually requires some sewing skills, the producers should have vetted him more carefully.


MousyAnon-I agree with you 100%.

PR is about finding the three best designers to show at Bryant Park - THE BIG TIME - at New York Fashion Week.

THS is about the winning designers line being produced and marketed - the line will be produced for and markedt on - drum roll please - Shop TFS. The more I think about THS and the more I study about TFS, I come to agree more and more with Strawberry Shortcake's decesion to leave this the show.

TampaBay


I admit I'm getting frustrated with the level of talent on the contestants, but I'm telling myself it's just first-season blues.. I hope. As for the rest.. eehh. I don't like team challenges in general and I did NOT like Haven as a team leader- "I'm the leader you have to do what I say" is NOT my favorite thing, and maybe it's editing or maybe it isn't, but these designers (coughmerlincough) seem to have a problem being more tactful as group leaders.

The mini challenge was stupid, and the semi-scripted judging is awful. They need to boot I.M. from the show and bring someone else. Ugh.


TampaBay said...
"MousyAnon-I agree with you 100%.

PR is about finding the three best designers to show at Bryant Park - THE BIG TIME - at New York Fashion Week.

THS is about the winning designers line being produced and marketed - the line will be produced for and markedt on - drum roll please - Shop TFS. The more I think about THS and the more I study about TFS, I come to agree more and more with Strawberry Shortcake's decesion to leave this the show."
TampaBay

5/17/09 5:48 PM


TampaBay, I was just thinking the same thing.

I mentioned before that everybody seemed to be blaming her, as if she were weak, not confident enough, etc., etc., boo-hoo crybaby. I questioned whether it was the other way around - specifically, whether Bravo didn't really fully disclose the nature of the show when getting folks to sign on the dotted line.

Did the designers really understand that this wasn't necessarily going to be about testing the designers to their limit of creativity when producing stunning, unique confections, but rather about designing comparatively lower quality clothing to sell on Bravo's web site? That selling clothing on Bravo's web site wasn't just a side benefit, but , evidently, the whole focus?

That kind of gives a whole new perspective to Kristin's realization that this was not for her.

An earlier poster today said that something was not plumb about this program but she couldn't put her finger on it.

I suspect we now have. It's not just that this show is "somewhat" different than Project Runway, it appears to be a totally different animal with distinctly different goals.


The mini-challenge was set up to be tricky and not to give us some insights into what determines the quality of a garment and which of the designers knows these things. I'm inferring the intent of the challenge from the Harper's editor's blog where she says one of the designer items was objectively inferior to its budget counterpart.

Or, Reco was saying one of the belts was glued, but I actually couldn't tell in all the switch around if that one ended up being expensive or not.

This show has the same problem Stylista had. Its more about gimicks than providing a glimpse into the fashion industry.


Well,folks it seems we've got this show figured out. It is a disguised commercial for its own produce. No wonder it didn't really matter what pitchman name designer would be the main hub. I wondered how they came up with this one, zero charisma and poor people skills. But he did do a recent fashion show with women's handbags (complete with straps) sitting on top of the model's heads as hats! Yeah, he's the Vincent Liberetti for me. The determined delusional.

Watching the contestants is sort of secondary. They were picked to be entertaining, even if disgusting, like the Samuri (sort of drooling and unwatchable with designs that match his "aesthetic" - a complete mess). Haven keeps referencing Linda Evans. That is a natural - she favors the looks of the days of a "Big Valley" Linda Evans, (that show goes a long way back) appropos of nothing to do with fashion and not at all Linda Evans from say, Dynasty.

This show sucks. It is a trip to the mall from hell. "I'm sorry, shmucks; I'm just not buying it."
I will probably continue to watch it, but it does not create happiness or a desire to own their handiwork.

The critiques will continue from everybody, but it is all sort of a big waste of time.


oddly, O feel like we've seen these copntestants before. . Johnny reminds me of a more fem Jay McCarol. . . the little asian dude reminds me of Goyle. . . its like they're all retarted copys of shows past. .


THS is about the winning designers line being produced and marketed . . .>

There's nothing inherently wrong with this concept. The problem is that they are trying to do it and imitate Project Runway, which is aimed at promoting higher-end design.

Looked at from this point of view, the failure of the mini-challenge, if it was indeed to show US, the viewing audience, that we can find inexpensive goods that look quite fashionable and well-made, was that we didn't actually get to see the pieces, so how could we tell?


MouseAnony and formerlyAnon, I totally agree with those sentiments. I like the mini-challenges because they give a macrovision of each designer in the entire field of fashion. It isn't enough to just design things you like, you *have* to be able to judge markets, source materials, have a critical eye on the business and fashion worlds and this is a good chance to show the judges that you can do that through these challenges.

As for Kristin, her clothes on her site give me the impression she's just what a mass-market chain would be looking for; youthful with a little kick and not a lot of luxurious froufrou.

So, in a way, I think she left too early and should have stuck around another round or two to get a better feel and direction of where the chosen designs are going.

Of course, I also get the impression that Miz makes up her mind quickly and definitively. I don't know if Kristin's designs and style would have warmed up Miz's impressions or not so I really do find it hard to say if she was smart/jumped the gun on her exit.

Team Haven. Reco fine (just), the rest ranged from boring to aweful. And poor boy sure did try to get TulleGirl on board. Squawked at her but tried, at least. Truly, she was delusional and deaf.


Anonymous said...
oddly, O feel like we've seen these copntestants before. . Johnny reminds me of a more fem Jay McCarol. . . the little asian dude reminds me of Goyle. . . its like they're all retarted copys of shows past. .

5/17/09 6:51 PM


This is the future, folks...

Be very afraid.


If the Harpers heffa wasn't bad enough.

The Syfu was cringe-inducing.

She completely sold her soul to TresSemme, and that ain't good.


I agree: I want so badly to like this show, but there are so many problems. Poor lighting, poor dialogue, poor attitudes and worth ethics...the list goes on and on. I'm hoping that if I hang on long enough it will get better. TLo, please work your magic with Bravo and get them to tweak some things. At the very least, it would help if the lighting allowed the fabrics to remain a consistent color throughout the runway show!


Well, I think the show could be VERY interesting from here on in!

"I'm sorry, I'm just not buying it" turns out to be a clever pun on the show's goal of whetting our appetite for mass-merchandised garments.

I think it will be fascinating to see how they structured their approach, and to watch the steps unfold one by one.

This is not the haphazard show it first appeared to be. There is a tightly organized structure to it, and a definite long-term plan that will be playing out as each episode unfolds. Yes, the less-than-ideal production values detract from the show, but there is still much entertainment value to be gotten from it.

In fact, we could all end up with our jaws on the floor at how good it turns out to be as it delivers its message.

Some of these designers have quite a gift. They've been given mere hours to crack out stuff, and even the elimination challenges have barely given them enough time to breathe. Yet they've produced some very interesting looks. Clearly there is some depth of talent here.

So long as we accept that this is "the not-PR" without constantly comparing the two, and evaluate this program with an open mind, I think we'll be surprisingly entertained.

Keep an open mind. This could turn out to be be the sleeper program of the decade.


I want to love the show and I suspect it will get better with time. The problem is that it is SOOOOO similar to PR that you can't help but compare and miss the differences. I equate watching the show to watching Trading Spaces after they got rid of Paige Davis. It was missing something and no matter how hard I tried I couldn't get past missing Paige. In the end I stopped watching until they brought her back, but by that time I didn't care as much.

I'm fine with "Liza with an M" not mentoring them because he's a judge, but he could be a little more "Collichio" when speaking with the designers. His comment about the top on Johnny's dress was perfect, they just needed to listen more.

I get the feeling they have "Destiny's step-sister" and "Liza with an M" both there to see who works out. I suspect only one of them will make it to season 2.


Paulina is looking for a job after be dumped from ANTM. I think she would be great.

TampaBay


I was just wondering about that line "You're still in, but you're hanging by a thread."

This is a "clever" catch phrase, another sewing pun, right? So, the almost-loser is always going to be told he or she is hanging by a thread? Even if it wasn't that close a call between him/her and the person who did get the boot?

Seems kinda harsh.


MouseAnony said... Seems kinda harsh.

Well "Destiny's step-sister" has to have something to say!

TampaBay


God this was clearly the ugliest bunch of clothes. The other two teams were light years ahead of these guys.

you presented the looks from ugly to fugliest.

If any of these people make the finale I'll be shocked. Reco might have a chance, but he better turn up the taste level because this dress sucked.


sixgables said: "Linda Evans? Really? Sigh." Good lord, yes. Although Haven looks like someone who would unironically dress like Evans, I think she was trying a little too hard to be ironic.

I'm thinking that Haven's love for the Linda Evans/Dynasty era is not a good thing, fashion-wise.


Anonymous said: "I'm thinking that Haven's love for the Linda Evans/Dynasty era is not a good thing, fashion-wise."

Strangely, that could make Haven on the cutting edge, what with huge padded shoulders and metalics suddenly making a big comeback.


"I'll be glad when we've whittled a bit and I can see more designing and construction. I AM going to get that, right Bravo?"

I'm with you sixgables-- I am hoping that we get to see more of the actual creating of the clothes and less of the choppy bits and pieces of the designers.
I would like to get to know the designers more, and with fewer designers that should be possible.


why Linda Evans? why wouldn't she choose Joan Collins? why, in fact, is nothing she designs even remotely reminiscent of either of them? boo, haven.


If the whole point of the show is to get viewers to buy the winning garment each week... Shouldn't they have vetted for more likeable (or interesting/bitchy) personalities (I want THAT designer's stuff! sorta thingie) OR concentrated on challenges that might produce more commercial product?

They should've had a final stage of the auditions where designers have to complete a challenge and weeded out all the non-sewers and unpleasant drips.

They're all so whiny. Sheesh.


PS - Do they say how they got these "designers" or anything about the audition process?


The mini challenges are a waste of time. They take up time the designers could be designing or constructing their garments. They don't have enough time to do what they need to do so cut out (pardon the pun) the mindless crap. I don't get why they always have to work as teams. It really boxes them in and caused them conflict that's unnecessary.

I'm trying like heck to like this show but it's like a cheap imitation on a shoestring budget. That model was prancing like a Tennessee Walker, not a good or attractive walk. So far Reko is the only one who seems to know how to sew or design. How bad were the audtions that these were the best they could come up with? Sorry for the bitchfest but frustrated with the quality of this show.

Jilly


desertwind said...
PS - Do they say how they got these "designers" or anything about the audition process?

5/18/09 1:14 AM


My best guess is that they were PR rejects.

I mean, Blayne, Wendy Pepper and Marla would have gone FAR amongst this bunch. This stuff is just plain bad.


MouseAnony said...
I was just wondering about that line "You're still in, but you're hanging by a thread."

Dumbest.catchphrase.EVER

and thrown in "we're just not buying it" as well.

This reminds me of the Simpsons episode when Bart and Milhouse were talking about the difference between their comic book hero Radioactive Man and its cheap knockoff Radiation Dude.

While Radioactive Man's catchphrase "Up and atom" is a clever play on words, Radiation Dude has the similar, but lamer catchphrase "Up and let's go."


Tampa Bay said:
Paulina is looking for a job after be dumped from ANTM. I think she would be great.

TampaBay

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Paulina is getting dumped from ANTM?? Hallelujia!! Any idea who is replacing her? I miss Twiggy.


Admittedly, I'm no tailor, but wouldn't basting be at least as fast as putting in a row of safety pins? It just seems like if you know how to thread a needle and sew on a button, you ought to be able to do better than safety pins.

I'm just having trouble believing that these people didn't watch a few seasons of Project Runway and try some of the challenges themselves as a dry run. That seems like the sort of thing that would be fun if you were a design student.


The mini-challenges are a great idea; I've been hoping they would do this for a while. But I hope they use sketching for some of them. Also, they could do a mini-challenge parallel to the taste test on Top Chef: the contestants could have to compete round robin, identifying fabrics, cuts, etc. This would really show us who knows what.


Okay THE MINI CHALLENGE...

TLo, I was glad that they did this one. It proved that even though the designers were looking at material and sewing quality and design elements, most of them still couldn't tell the difference between the absurdly expensive pieces and the budget ones. I was glad they had this challenge so that the designers couldn't produce crappy garments in the real challenge and blame the small budget for their poor execution.


Calling all TLo/Project Rungay readers, I say that every time Haven mentions " Linda Evans" we all take a shot! There was no chance of her team winning because they have two of the weakest people as far as executions was concerned Haven/Johnny this means you!

I have to disagree even though there was a lot going on in Recco's dress it though it was kinda fab, and of course perfectly stiched.

And Johnny's would have been cute for Tinsley, but he needs to learn how to execute!


more Reco love BTW his dress did not look like 40 dollars!


"Tlo said: And yes, he was a petulant little brat about the whole thing."



Yes. And no I can't imagine Santino appologizing. But if he was Santino, when questioned about the pins, he would have just said it was an homage to Stephen Sprouse, and left puzzled looks in his wake. This guy tried to pull the attitudinal thing, but just didn't have the Santino-like delusional confidence to fully commit to it.

Instead, he had to get all up in LeMiz's grill about the whole seamstress thing. What evs.

--GothamTomato


"She stomped down that runway like she was putting out a fire"

Seriously! He must have meant that her walk was so distracting, nobody would notice the dress.

And no, I had no idea Reco had fleurchons on that dress until I saw the picture you posted. That's my one complaint about this runway show; the catwalk and audience make it much more fun but we don't get to see as much close-up detail as on PR.


If the entire point of the show is to have viewers buy from Bravotv.com then I think they missed the mark. Because to pick Daniella's strapless romper with a sheer jacket which is clearly a little risky for a grown women in her mid to late 30's and is clearly more appropriate for someone in their 20's and price the total outfit at over 200 dollars is INSANE!





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