
Y'know, last night's show was almost kindasorta an improvement. Even though the "memorize all the partygoers" challenge was lifted straight out of The Devil Wears Prada, it had the feel of something an assistant would be asked to do and it felt like it was more grounded in the real world of fashion editorial.

Even the manipulative drama had a more grounded feel to it. Who couldn't sympathize at least a little with Danielle's plight?

"Why is my waist so small? I seriously want just to eat three cheeseburgers tonight so I can fit into something."
Oh, Katie. You're such a little bitch.

To be honest, as much as we might have sympathized with her, we did think she was being a little silly. She acted as if the whole issue was a complete surprise to her. Come on, honey.

There isn't one fashion-minded woman in the world who doesn't understand that the industry is skewed toward skinny women. We admired Danielle for wanting to forge ahead even though the odds were against her, but then she turned around and seemed completely beside herself that, y'know, the odds were against her.

The whole time she was refusing to enter the closet we were all "Bags! Shoes! Jewelry! Even belts! Come ON, honey! You're stylish! You can find something in there to work with!"

And surprisingly, for the most part, her peers weren't nasty about it. They seemed to sympathize with her.
Well, most of them did.

"Until you get to the point that you can just accept your body, it's hell."
Katie, the price tags are still attached to your boobs. Just sayin'.

"You're so healthy. When you look at me, what do you think?"
Oh, honey. You claim to be perfectly fine with who you are but this is not the question of someone who's comfortable in their skin. It was a little heartbreaking.
In other drama...

"Can I have a little input on your dress? We're not going to have a boobie parade."
We like Johanna. She's clearly the most mature and professional out of the lot but she didn't exactly cover herself in glory last night. Where exactly does she get off telling someone else how to dress? She was Katie's team leader, not her boss.

On the other hand, when you've got a team mate who doesn't know where her knees are, that could be a problem, yes?

We admired her thoroughness, but she was coming off a little crazy and obsessive there last night.

Granted, if we had one team member in the throes of a complete body image meltdown and another one who refused to do any work, we'd probably be a little crazed too.

But all that worrying and lack of sleep just didn't help her in the long run, did it?
By the way, Danielle pulled herself together nicely and looked cute, didn't she?
As for the page:

It was just alright. The title was a bit lame and the layout was pretty uninspired.

And let's face it: mislabeling a caption is pretty much a cardinal sin in editorial.

When it came time for the elimination, we both noted that for once, we had no idea who they were going to send home. It seemed to us that the failure was Johanna's.

But for some reason, it was Danielle that got the boot and to be honest, we have no idea why. It seemed like a totally arbitrary choice. We hate to say it, but it felt like they had two equivalent choices and defaulted to the fat girl.
[Screencaps: Projectrungay.blogspot]




11/20/08 12:44 PM
I don't think Danielle's offing was that unexpected, really. They've let it be known several times now that they go after the ones who aren't really taking leader roles and doing things. Danielle's whole excuse about the mislabeled caption was that she was just typing what she was given. No initative, no leadership, and wrong at that.
That's partly why Kate appears to be doing well. She gets up there and says what she did and what she believed, and they seem to appreciate that.
No one can just sit in the background anymore. It got Devin off last week, and it struck again with Danielle this week.
11/20/08 12:49 PM
Wow. I knew they would find a way to get rid of Danielle without coming right out and saying, "You're too much of a fatty." More producer bullshit, I think.
And seriously, Elle closet? I agree with TLo, Danielle should have just went in like a force of nature for some fabulous accessories. Even real employees find it hard to find clothes in those closets, because everything is in model proportions.
Johanna: For a military analyst she sure as hell doesn't seem to understand strategy and tactics very well, now does she?
I STILL foresee a Kate vs. Megan Diva Deathmatch....
11/20/08 12:54 PM
I knew you all were going to have a field day with Katie's body accpetance speech! And you didn't disappoint.
That girl is annoying as hell.
11/20/08 1:01 PM
Kate is standing up for what she believes, but her STRAIGHT refusal to compromise with anyone is so unprofessional. She is a whiny, stupid baby who has figured out the way to stay in is to claim ownership over ideas (good or not) and throw everyone else under the bus.
That is by far the least horrific of her flaws. She is so unaware of her surroundings, and how she affects other people that she callously discusses her own own body images problems- which she identifies as a small waist in front of Danielle. What a bitch. Look around, Kate. Get a clue. YOU ARE NOT THAT PRETTY!!!!! You look like a ferret!!!!! You have the fakest boobs in the world!!!!! And, you are a mean girl who lives in her own little world. You won't win, and I'm excited that this episode showcased your self centered nature with your hurtful comments and idiotic staring at your own reflection. Don't forget what happened to Narcissa herself.
It was nice of you to give hair tips in other posts, but that was just because people were complimenting you. Stop being so damn vain.
11/20/08 1:03 PM
I think it was clear that Danielle wouldn't win, and having had the body image crisis, her drama potential was gone. Johanna is going to win b/c she's the only semi-competent. The can't get rid of the last boy just yet. So, really, there was no other choice.
11/20/08 1:07 PM
A few things:
1. At first I thought the judges were taking crazy pills when it came to Katie, but the thing is, she really does have good instincts. She's kind of like an idiot savant - she can't focus, she can't play with others well, she can't really communicate, but she knows what she's doing when it comes to fashion editorial.
2. Danielle's meltdown was uncomfortable but inevitable. For her sake I wish she'd dealt with this stuff earlier so she didn't have to do it on national television. It was so horrible to watch!
3. I really liked Johanna, but her response to Danielle's body talk was sort of bitchy. Fine, you think tall and slim is the ideal body type (and hey, the type you just happen to have!), that's fine. But is it really necessary to say that to the not-tall, not-slim teammate who's freaking out in the middle of a project? Couldn't she have just held her damn tongue?
11/20/08 1:13 PM
Really, the whole Elle closet drama was stupid. I didn't see Dyshaun freaking out because there were no clothes for males. Though, honestly, why was he even in that Elle closet?
Kate's leadership skills: I will passive-agressively destroy my teammates. Loved her body acceptance speech too.
I invited a friend to watch Stylista over glasses of wine last night. She said it was too lowbrow for her; she prefers Rock of Love.
11/20/08 1:14 PM
Danielle is beyond delusional if she thinks that fatties can be an assistant to a high-powered fashionista. Fashion is a shallow, image-based industry and it's people need to conform to that image. I took one look at Danielle and knew that she'd be gone. She's just simply not attractive enough to work in the fashion industry. Period.
11/20/08 1:16 PM
As a fatty myself, I was cheering for Danielle, but of course they would engineer a challenge to give her a crisis of body image. I've done enough shopping with skinny bitches to know that even the most assured, stylish fatty can get momentarily beaten down. She could have handled it better, though. I, personally, would have started pointing out other people's flaws, and idly throwing cheeseburgers at Katie. It would be a fun evening.
As for the mislabel that got her sent home, that's rather bullshit. Dyshan has made at least 3 similar critical errors, has taken no real leads, and yet here he is week after week, bitching up my screen.
11/20/08 1:18 PM
They were giving Danielle the "auf edit" so I figured pretty early that she would get the boot.
Megan actually came off better in this one, but I can't WAIT to see your take on Ashlie's Snoopy dance behind the backs of the other contestants. What a wench!
I won't even bother commenting on Kate's behavior. The mother in me just wants to smack some sense and good manners into her.
11/20/08 1:18 PM
Sus: didn't Dyshaun find a couple of men's suits in the closet? I said from the get-go that Danielle's "acceptance" by Anne seemed condescending, and I think that's what finally played out last night. No way were they going to keep the fat girl (and I've been one when I was about Danielle's age).
11/20/08 1:24 PM
Dyshaun is hysterical- and he was the only one who was really kind to Danielle. He is really becoming one of my faves. Kate didn't study? She admits checking her lip gloss instead of looking at ANY of the guests? Why is she still here? She obviously wants to be famous- unfortunately, no one watches this show (except for us masochists) and she comes off terribly.
11/20/08 1:25 PM
Meow, you may be correct that there were men's outfits in the Elle closet. I always feel the need to drink A LOT while watching this show, so I might have missed some minor plot points. Maybe I could rewatch and rewind like Kevin Costner and the Zapruder film in JFK...
11/20/08 1:30 PM
I had to laugh when Johanna wore a dress as short and with as much cleavage as the one for which she criticized Kate!
11/20/08 1:41 PM
oh. my. gosh.
You two deserve t.v.-blogger combat pay for watching this. I've tried, twice, and endured mere minutes.
&, has been said before, by others, I never believed the overweight girl would win, therefore it was just a matter of finding a pretext to auf her once her drama potential had been exploited. And since she isn't as clueless as several (most?) of her peers, of course it was for something others have done and survived.
11/20/08 1:43 PM
this show is putting elle in an extremely unflattering light. what were they thinking??? the only redeeming thing about watching it is knowing that i'll get to read your blog posts!
11/20/08 1:51 PM
I think Megan kind of rocked this episode. She showed her ability to really be successful as a leader in her group, work well with others, and impress at the party. Her bitchiness was toned down, and if anything, kind of funny.
11/20/08 1:57 PM
"Why is my waist so small? I seriously want just to eat three cheeseburgers tonight so I can fit into something." - Well, katie - it's all about proportion. i'm sure if you didn't have those big knockers (which you openly discussed having BOUGHT on your blog), you probably could have found something that fit you in the waist. but to fit your implants you had to get a larger size...and what a nasty thing to say in front of danielle.
oh well, it's all manufactured drama. i agree with some of the other posters that this doesn't make elle look very good. but then again, we aren't watching this expecting a serious, high end show....
11/20/08 2:01 PM
I agree - a moderate improvement over last week.
I think they eliminated Danielle because she hasn't really distinguished herself lately. Johanna did win the gift challenge with the throw, and she chose the mannequins last week.
The show lacks a *soul.* It lacks a Tim Gunn. Do these aspiring fashion editors get any support or advice at all? The tongue-lashing from Ann at the end of each episode does not count. The show needs someone to work closely with the designers, not just to give the show a soul but also to give the viewers at home a glimpse of the contestants' process as they work on each challenge.
11/20/08 2:01 PM
dear danielle, i couldnt fit into a thing in the Elle closet BUT i could have found a pair of fab shoes or purse. i was rooting for you girl, sorry to see you go.
once again miss tootie walking in her shoes..LMFAO
11/20/08 2:02 PM
Lilithcat said:
"I had to laugh when Johanna wore a dress as short and with as much cleavage as the one for which she criticized Kate!"
Oh my! Looking back at TLo's screencaps, you're right!
Sorry TLo, I know you like her 'cause she's competent, but if someone's bragging about what she does for a living and then demonstrates no strategic, tactical, or leadership (even by example) skills, I have no respect.
Also, loved your commentary on Hootie McBoob. Now there's someone who graduated from the Wendy Pepper School for Reality-TV Bitches!
Can't wait to see what Megan was up to!
11/20/08 2:07 PM
I knew Danielle wouldn't make it to the final three. Hell, I'm surprised she's made it this far. I haven't really seen her display a stunning sense of style, fashion or editorial knowledge. My big beef with her wasn't that she was plus-sized. It was that she was very unattractive and she always looked so sloppy and unkempt. I see better looking and better dressed plus-sized women walking down the street everyday, and I'm sure other plus-sized women tried out for this shit-fest, because I'm sure the producers aka "Ty-Ty" insisted on having the token plus-sized girl to up the drama factor. And, you mean to tell me that Danielle was the best plus-sized contestant?
11/20/08 2:15 PM
Johanna deserved to go home 100%. She didn't do anything, basically picking Katie so that she would memorize everyone for her. She didn't check the captions/copy, which she should have done as team leader. AND she let Katie do the entire layout! Being team leader doesn't mean dole out all the responsibility to everyone else and then kick back, watch, and hope it goes ok. This was such bullshit, poor Danielle. They totally offed her because she was 'the fat one.' Lame.
11/20/08 3:01 PM
Hey, R, whoever you are, good job demonstrating how not to be a mean girl! Honestly, some of the commenters seem to forget these are actual human beings (with, yes, the range of human feelings), and not fictional characters, they're calling ugly, etc.
11/20/08 3:14 PM
Danielle was lucky go. The show just used her.
11/20/08 3:23 PM
It was just a matter of time. Elle would never "take a chance and hire the fat, smart girl."
That's all!
11/20/08 3:24 PM
I was really said to see Danielle go. Best of luck, Danielle!
11/20/08 3:26 PM
As much as I like, Johanna, it was her time to go. How could shnot remember a single name after spending the whole night studying them? And shame on you Kate for not even taking the time to memorize the names. I guess you don't really care about winning.
11/20/08 3:26 PM
TLo
I was not making fun of Danielle you little bitches! Everyone knows I don't care what anyone in that house looked like except me.
Here's the recap:
Johanna bones sticking out said designer clothing should be worn by sample sizes to look its best.
Dyshaun-I'm not going to repeat what he said at that table it was awful.
Katie is sitting in her room thinking about whether or not she would get away with bringing a guy back to the loft, and some how I got sucked in to this warped episode as the mean girl. As if! I did Danielle's hair for the party.
GOSH! cut me a break! :)
11/20/08 3:27 PM
Hey Brooklyn Bomber-
Did you watch the show? Maybe I am sensitive as a bigger girl myself, but Kate complaining about being too thin in front of Danielle was very mean and selfish. They have real feelings, but so do the viewers, and I took that personally. She wasn't reading from a script. She was being mean, maybe out of stupidity and unawareness of her surroundings, but mean nonetheless.
11/20/08 3:29 PM
OK...I endured the WHOLE show for the first time last night, only because I feel so left out, TLo, of your fab commentaries on it....BUT, it was perhaps akin to having needles stuck in my eyeballs to endure even one hour of the mess.
Not being familiar with personalities on the show, I am not at all impressed with ANYONE, and that includes Ann Slowey.
Ms. Tyra "F" Banks ought to be ashamed to produce an even worse show than the last few ANTM's.
ICK.
11/20/08 3:32 PM
GO KATE!!!
11/20/08 3:34 PM
What did Dyshaun say at the table? I can't remember. I thought he said it was better to say nothing at all. I only remember him offering to help Danielle in the Elle closet. I do remember Megan telling her to stop eating if she was full. But sorry, Stylista Kate, your cheeseburger/tiny waist comments within earshot of Danielle are by far the most memorable- as well as your body image speech- which would have seemed valid without the giant boob job.
11/20/08 3:36 PM
GO MEGAN!!!! You're on it now girl!!!
11/20/08 3:41 PM
I think the finale should be a spelling bee between the two finalists. The one who can spell the most words correctly gets the job.
11/20/08 3:44 PM
I don't know why everyone is like "Kate's body-image comment isn't valuable because she has fake boobs."
Um, maybe some of her body image issues were with her chest, and after the surgery she feels better about herself? Isn't that kind of the point? Are you all saying we should just accept the things we don't like about ourselves instead of working on them? That's rather stupid. If Danielle is not happy with her weight (and from the looks of this episode, she isn't), then she should be encouraged to work towards a goal or something. Kate sympathizing with body issues, knowing what they are like, was not bitchy - it was compassionate.
11/20/08 3:51 PM
I agree with you Bailey, that her body image issues could have been about her chest, but that does not excuse her demeaning Danielle (or at least it was edited to seem that way). Imagine if she hadn't had that surgery and was very self conscious about having a small chest and another contest was running around complaining about how their boobs were too big. While the problem is not as extreme as Danielle's, it would be easier to empathize with Kate.
11/20/08 3:51 PM
Johanna should have gone. She claimed to be the leader, but was unable to lead her team well. BUt there was no denying the auf edit. Poor Danielle. All the people I liked seem to be leaving. And we're left with the beotches.
11/20/08 3:56 PM
I like having capital letters in my screen name. Thanks, T Lo.
11/20/08 3:57 PM
KATE!, put your comments back up! That's what i come to this forum for!
That girl is funny as hell.
Anyway, as for this episode, Meh, I agree with TLONEWBIE.
This was the excuse needed to get rid of the "fat" girl.
I mean, she was nice, but it was a little painful watching her get all sensitive over her weight, especially since she has been trying to convince the world that she is fine with her weight, and that she is "normal".
And she was still eating that pizza afterwards. I was thinking to myself, put that slice down and get a salad and cup of water!
11/20/08 4:01 PM
Actually, the most ridiculous paart of this ep was when Anne refered to Bungalow 8 as the hottest club in town.
It might have been YEARS AGO, before it was mentioned in a SATC episode. But it has been over for a very long time. Anne's rremarks were just product placemenrt.
--GothamTomato
11/20/08 4:03 PM
Danielle just gave an interview to Stylista Fanatic where she says she wants either Dyshaun or Ashlie to win, because everyone else is evil. Unfortunately, I think those two will be the next to go.
11/20/08 4:22 PM
I think there is a difference between body acceptance and having surgery to get disproportionately huge funbags.
11/20/08 4:41 PM
And she was still eating that pizza afterwards. I was thinking to myself, put that slice down and get a salad and cup of water!
Oh yes, fatties should live on lettuce and plain water. For God's sake, people.
11/20/08 5:22 PM
There's something going on with Katie. It's like she's TRYING to be annoying, while also being kinda sorta in-line with Slowey and Co. in her ideas.
She's obviously there to stir drama, and the producers are probably telling her to stir it. But is there more? Will it be revealed that she somehow works for Elle?
11/20/08 5:28 PM
Danielle got screwed. And I absolutely adored her for getting in there and showing the world that big girls have fashion sense too. And I understand how she must have felt facing the doll clothes closet. I don't think you have to be able to personally wear the clothes to understand fashion. It's discrimination to think you have to be skinny to work in the industry.
Go Danielle! You have an amazing career ahead of you... be proud of yourself and don't let anything get in your way!
11/20/08 5:39 PM
"The whole time she was refusing to enter the closet we were all "Bags! Shoes! Jewelry! Even belts! Come ON, honey! You're stylish! You can find something in there to work with!"
Bravo!! I was thinking the same thing!
Sarah @ 1:07pm Pt 3 was excellent
Hey I want to smack that pg 6 woman and boring Joe - the criticize the amount of text on the other team's page, but the sample Elle pages they showed had FAR more text.
"Johanna is going to win b/c she's the only semi-competent."
Seriously, she didn't remember ANY of the names & didn't even consider the wiser approach of splitting the 85 among the team.
wow - too many great comment to applaud them all - "Megan actually came off better in this one, but I can't WAIT to see your take on Ashlie's Snoopy dance behind the backs of the other contestants. What a wench!"
11/20/08 5:52 PM
Katie said...
And she was still eating that pizza afterwards. I was thinking to myself, put that slice down and get a salad and cup of water!
Oh yes, fatties should live on lettuce and plain water. For God's sake, people.
4:41 PM
Yes that attitude as exhibited by a couple of posters here is COMMON - VERY.
(I excercise 8-12 hours a week and have GAINED weight on low calorie diets - 3 lb in 3 wks on < 800 calories and 8 lbs in 8 wks on 1000! I suppose I should adhere to Enrique and just never ingest anything but water (or the whack job DOCTOR who told me that if I was still gaining on 800 I should probably cut back to .... 400 calories per day.
WTF - Anorexia as a medical treatment?
- About the dress - did you all notice Ashlie's very short, very tight (shiny?) zebra dress - right after Johanna went after Kate's choice. But Kate, please Kate - do you really not Freaking know where you KNEES ARE???
11/20/08 5:52 PM
Katie said...
And she was still eating that pizza afterwards. I was thinking to myself, put that slice down and get a salad and cup of water!
Oh yes, fatties should live on lettuce and plain water. For God's sake, people.
4:41 PM
Yes that attitude as exhibited by a couple of posters here is COMMON - VERY.
(I excercise 8-12 hours a week and have GAINED weight on low calorie diets - 3 lb in 3 wks on < 800 calories and 8 lbs in 8 wks on 1000! I suppose I should adhere to Enrique and just never ingest anything but water (or the whack job DOCTOR who told me that if I was still gaining on 800 I should probably cut back to .... 400 calories per day.
WTF - Anorexia as a medical treatment?
- About the dress - did you all notice Ashlie's very short, very tight (shiny?) zebra dress - right after Johanna went after Kate's choice. But Kate, please Kate - do you really not Freaking know where you KNEES ARE???
11/20/08 6:14 PM
I agree with a previous poster that Megan is looking more like going all the way. It may be the editing, but she seems to be editing HERSELF a little more. And this time Johanna was way out of line criticizing Kate's dress, and then wearing one just as revealing, as did others. I was shocked that Johanna didn't get the auf, since she was the team leader and basically didn't do a good job. Danielle didn't deserve to go this time. Neither group did a very good job on the layouts, BTW! Isn't that what assistants DO? The rest of the stuff is BS!
11/20/08 6:32 PM
I absolutely CANNOT STAND KATE. There is nothing that she says or does that does not completely make my skin crawl. However, I am a little peanut just like Kate (without the fake boobs) and I thought her dress was adorable. Sometimes when you are really short and thin, you need to wear sort of short, fitted dresses so as not to be overwhelmed by the fabric. I think Johanna's dress looked great, and I didn't find the neckline to be risque, as she doesn't have knockers heaving out. But sometimes, short dresses on tall people are more scandalous than they are on us shorties. Kate's dress was small, but it fit her petite frame.
11/20/08 6:43 PM
Obviously I have body image issues hence the plastic surgery. But ever since Rolling Stone lied to me and told me Britneys breasts were real I've been struggling. That was my whole point. Until you learn to love your body it is Hell, at least it is is for me. I struggle with it all the time. I'm so short that my daily caloric intake has to be under 1,000 just to maintain the weight I'm at. It's not fun and it is hell. If you figure out another way to describe it let me know.
My dress was cute. I love it and it wasn't revealing at all. At least I didn't have to saran wrap my body to fit into it. I like to be able to breathe when I'm drinking.
Yes you sillies I know where my knees are.
11/20/08 6:49 PM
It made me very uncomfortable that Johanna was pointing at all of the incoming guests. Wasn't she taught that it is not polite to point, especially when you are discreetly telling your boss their names and info about them?
Also line of the night goes to Megan talking about how she doesn't worry or she would be "Johanna with a slightly less constricting neckline." Genius.
11/20/08 7:09 PM
I just hate that the judging never reflects past performance. Danielle had yet to be on a losing team. Johanna has ONLY been on losing teams. I also wish that Brett and Malina were around more during the challenges, much like on The Apprentice, so that they could report back to Anne what actually happens. Like who is consistently a nightmare to work with (Kate), who usually keeps peace and is genuinely creative (Ashlie), etc. etc.
11/20/08 8:15 PM
Narcissus was a boy.
11/20/08 8:20 PM
I didn't like the way that the episode turned into "Danielle is fat" (as Bailey mentioned), but I do kind of see some reasoning why she was eliminated.
In the world of Ken Mock (Tyra's producer), contestants frequently get eliminated for mentally checking out -- which, sadly enough, Danielle did. And on ANTM, it's frequently the plus-sized girl who checks out.
As for her self-image issues, I feel for her - I've gone through it. I KNOW her age is a big factor here - she's just not ready yet to say "Fuck it, I'll grab some fabulous accessories and look amazing in all my fatness."
Superficially, the others have been nice about it, but in a very clumsy way. Also probably an age factor. Johanna's whole monologue about thin being the fashion standard, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, she's mostly right, but that wasn't really the point at that moment, and she wasn't being particularly helpful or kind. So she should have shut her freaking pie hole. It's interesting to hear that on her blog she's size-ist.
I did not find her particularly likable last night. Nor Kate, nor Megan - as usual.
11/20/08 8:46 PM
I said salad, not lettuce. With lemon, not ranch.
I work out almost daily, have a family that works out and a sister that struggles with weight issues. She is now doing great due to her strict diet and workouts.
If you're not happy with your image, change it, or if you don't have the self discipline to don't. but don't complain.
I don't know where she got the idea that life was fair. It isn't. You still have to live it though.
11/20/08 9:44 PM
As a woman of size, I have to say I was very disappointed in Danielle last night. She knew perfectly well that nothing in that closet would fit her, but that is no excuse for being a crybaby about it. She should have marched in there and taken the most fabulous accessories she could find to go with her own dress and really dolled herself up.
I know from personal experience that it isn't easy to be fat in a skinny-worshiping world, but if you are truly going to accept yourself as you are you have to do more than pay lip service to it.
Her auf'ing came as no surprise to me. I don't think she had much of a chance from the beginning and her total capitulation didn't help matters. I am sorry to see her go, but I can't argue with the decision.
11/20/08 10:42 PM
I love Project Runway and Top Chef because you get to see individual creativity (or lack thereof) as well as the bitchy drama. Occasionally something amazing happens.
Nothing happens on this program. People whine and complain, and then produce boring, imitative pages. Then someone leaves for a reason that would apply to half the contestants.
It serves Elle right that they will have to live with the winner for a year.
11/20/08 10:59 PM
1. As far as I know, the only thing we know about Johanna's MA is that it was from Georgetown (not too shabby, I must say). We don't know what it was in. Who's to say it wasn't Chinese literature? The fact she's constantly labeled a 'military analyst' is because that's the job title of her last job, not necessarily that her area of expertise is either 'military' or 'analyst'. The over-riding fact for her previous job sounds like it was because she could speak and read Chinese, not because she was suppose to have some deep modern military insight. Vocabulary trumps strategic insight, I reckon.
So unless her degree was from West Point or some other military institute, I'm not sure why we're suppose to think she's suppose to be better at strategy and leadership than anybody else... .
2. Yeah. As a leader, I would have done the same thing and tried to tone down Kate's usual boobious look, too. It didn't matter that Johanna wore something as low-cut because, well, she doesn't overflow her dresses for the obvious effect of "my titties! my glorious titties!" 'cause, um, she don't have much. She tried. Which is better than not trying at all.
3. Unlike Johanna, I would have let Kate hang on her own petard and let the obvious cracks in this team show at the party - especially when it was becoming evident that the other team was doing much better at this point - and placed her for half the night right beside Anne so when Anne asked who was coming up next in line the first thing she could have done is innocently ask Kate standing between her and Anne, "want to try this one?" It would have been fun at least seeing how Kate would have squirmed since it was pretty obvious she didn't have a clue who people were and at the elimination Johanna could have honestly said "I tried to get Kate to memorize some names but she out and out refused, which, as you saw yourself, put the burden of memorization on the rest of her team mates."
Johanna seems like a mature woman who has ideas and would do well in fashion but that the after-effects of the hothouse expectation of excellence of Brown and Georgetown study are getting to her. 'Cause, maaaaan, she wants this job. Nobody can doubt that, at least.
Megan seems to have a more laid-back 'fuck it' attitude that lets her natural talents (which I don't think are any better or worse than Johanna's) come into the spotlight more.
Kate would be a nightmare to work with or for. Having been an intern coordinator at a magazine in Europe, in my experience, I found that 20% is talent and 70% can be learned on the job by someone who is open to experiences and with a genuine interest in the field and 10% is how well you play as a team mate. Kate is already down that 10% and I'm not feeling from her past performance that she actually really wants this job for any other reason than she doesn't have anything else going on at the moment. That would mean she'd have to have big big talent points to make it up and I'm not feeling her unspectatular talent + personality would be worth the aggravation, frankly. I'd choose Johanna over Kate in a heartbeat.
I don't think ELLE is an obvious right for Johanna, though. I see her doing very well at a smaller, more innovative magazine with more interesting design and fashion point of views. But for someone who has been accomplishing some top-notch educational goals, I suppose ELLE would be more prestigious than other mags.
Although I like the magazine less and less with each episode so I'm not sure how 'prestige' would fit into this any more... .
11/20/08 11:15 PM
I was so sad at last night's episode. Poor Danielle did seem to crumple under the Elle closet pressure. I agree that she should have gone for shoes, bags accessories, but instead she broke which meant that she'd be chased by cameras and it would only get worse. It was particularly cruel that they had pizza for dinner that night, and only had footage of Danielle stuffing her face.
I too think Johanna should have gone for her failure at team management, delegating everything for the editorial project, and her complete failure to recognize party-goers.
Alas Danielle, I hope you style sense will be valued elsewhere.
TLo, I wonder what percentage of viewers are actually Elle readers? Can you guys do a poll?
11/20/08 11:34 PM
While I don't necessarily label Kate as my favorite contestant, I'm not sure that I'm really hoping any of them win, I do have to say that she did have some positive interaction with Danielle during the episode. It wasn't well highlighted, heck even my subtitles missed how she complimented Danielle's dress, but she did seem to genuinely empathize with someone with body issues.
In the size department I am definitely more on the side of Danielle than Kate, thanks to a lovely issue shortened to "POS" (Polycistic Ovaries Syndrome, but it does work for Pile Of S*** also). Food doesn't metabolize with me like it does with most people, 800 calories a day can equal weight gain. It's not always about what you eat, sometimes it is truly genetic.
11/21/08 12:00 AM
As for Danielle's weight absolutely preventing her from working in fashion--Liz Tilberis made it into single-digit sizes only when she was actively dying of ovarian cancer.
(Hipster glasses and Torrid clothing, OTOH, are better reasons for Danielle not fitting in.)
11/21/08 5:38 AM
"R" is obviously a fatty. Katie is gorgeous, in a Sopranos kinda way.
"Abigail"; I adore you for referring to yourself as a fatty. I sometimes call myself Zitz. I bet we'd be amazing friends.
Fuck ripping the episode; but I hate Dyshaun. Being wealthy and having well the same personality; I'm rooting for Elita.
11/21/08 8:42 AM
"anon said: Megan seems to have a more laid-back 'fuck it' attitude that lets her natural talents (which I don't think are any better or worse than Johanna's) come into the spotlight more."
Mmmmm....actually, I'm thinking she has a 'laid-back, fuck it attitude' of someone who has Daddy's checkbook to always fall back on. She looks to be a typical, stupid rich brat.
For all Megan's big talk, I have not seen anything to back it up yet. Just being able to buy expensive things does mean you know anything about fashion, or more importantly, what readers want to see (especially when you did not even earn the money).
--GothamTomato
11/21/08 9:17 AM
" Laura Hopalong said: Narcissus was a boy."
This has to be one of my most favorite posts, ever.
--GothamTomato
11/21/08 9:27 AM
Laura Hopalong said, "Narcicuss was a boy"
"And like Narcissa before her" is a SATC reference. And R calls herself a fatty in a subsequent post, so not exactly a tactful, mind boggling revelation.
11/21/08 10:17 AM
Johanna looks like the classic overachiever, and she choked when she got to the party. I sympathized. She was also dealing with the dead weight of both her team members, who were damn useless.
Hey, Enrique, would you make those comments to someone with anorexia or bulimia? 'If you're not happy with your image, change it, or if you don't have the self discipline to don't. but don't complain"
I think people are not aware that for some ( not all, but some) overweight people, it's as much an eating disorder as anorexia. I also think that for many people, once you become overweight - through a variety of causes, pregnancy, illness, change in metabolism, etc - the way the world responds to you can trigger disordered behaviors and thinking, if not an outright eating disorder. Seriously, talking about how *you* or your friends eat right and exercise and have success to a disordered overweight person is just like talking about that to an anorexic.
That said, I feel badly for Danielle but what the hell? was this really such a shock? Her insecure defensiveness and projection on her housemates was mortifying to watch. I'd also bet money that as she was eating that pizza she wasn't totally aware she was still eating.
Sarah's comment about Kate as idiot-savant is right on.
11/21/08 10:46 AM
why are most people assuming Kate said the thing about her waist and eating cheeseburgers in front of/within earshot of Danielle? Even on "top rated" "reality" shows like PR and Top Chef, contestants have talked about how incidents are edited together, showing a reaction that someone had for incident B as the reaction for incident A solely for dramatic purposes.
Also, maybe Danielle was offed for confidence issues, too. The fashion world's not very forgiving, and she wouldn't have gotten very far if she sat down in a chair and pouted every time a stumbling block like the Elle closet got in her way.
11/21/08 12:02 PM
Speaking not as a fat girl but as one who has unusual proportions, shoes and belts were probably out of the question as well. Most stylish shoes are unwearable for people with wider feet, and belts are sized just like other clothes. She should've gone for jewelry and bags, though. Short necklaces and bracelets might've not fit, but longer necklaces and earrings definitely would have, and there are no fitting issues when it comes to fabulous purses.
11/21/08 2:15 PM
TARKIN MUSSLEMAN says, "Katie is beautiful in a Soprano's kinda way"
What does that mean, a jersey girl with big over processed hair and obvious fake tits? If so- I think you hit the nail on the head.
11/21/08 10:16 PM
Please tell me that at least SOME of this show is scripted.
"I was looking at the mirrors on the ceiling to see how my lip gloss looked" or some such nonsense uttered by vapid Kate was greeted by hoots of derision.
I love you boys but REALLY, you would do just as well to blog "The Real Housewives" for all the contrived drama and high school antics.
11/22/08 12:24 AM
What does it say about a womens fashion magazine that they have a MANS SUIT but not one thing for a plus size women. They picked these contestants. I smell set up.
Its interesting that danielle says to the wafe
like contestents that you have more issues with your weight then I have. the whole show
was bulit around danielles weight and then she is sent home. Lets just let women know that your hard work does not cut it when you dont fit the part or the dress.
Danielle great job on helping your team mates win three challenges in a row.
11/22/08 3:38 AM
Just please read Kate's Elle blog- it as horrifying as it is enlightening to Kate's actual thoughts. WARNING- Don't read if you want to be stupider.
11/22/08 5:50 AM
Hey Katie- when people see you out at night in SF, perhaps at McTeagues, don't flatter yourself into thinking they are fans. They are blatantly making fun of you. And your voice made them all cringe, and apparently, you need to hit the gym.
11/22/08 3:22 PM
Katie's great. She's playing the game and she's probably going to win. And she's nice- she did tell Danielle she looked gorgeous in her dress and she helps people with hair tips. She may be a little self centered, but she's got this game down.
11/22/08 3:31 PM
And I'm quite certain she doesn't need to hit the gym.
11/22/08 3:59 PM
For some reason this show seems to reward doing something and making a big mistake vs. taking a backseat. The contestants have yet to figure that out though.
And I do think they were trying to get rid of Danielle arbitrarily but I was so frustrated with her, I kind of wanted her to go. Seriously, that closet had gorgeous shoes, bags, belts, jewelery. She could have made it work with SOMETHING!
11/23/08 5:06 AM
"GothamTomato said...
"anon said: Megan seems to have a more laid-back 'fuck it' attitude that lets her natural talents (which I don't think are any better or worse than Johanna's) come into the spotlight more."
Mmmmm....actually, I'm thinking she has a 'laid-back, fuck it attitude' of someone who has Daddy's checkbook to always fall back on. She looks to be a typical, stupid rich brat."
Then she should fit right in. Everyone I know who works in the fashion industry comes from money. Very rarely does talent get you anything in New York; and you should know that. It's all about nepotism and social networking... The poor girls from Newark usually start in the mail room and end somewhere in the sea of plebian staff, whereas the socialites like Slowey become editors.
I love Megan. I think I would get along with her. She's no bitchier than T-Lo.
:)
11/25/08 9:55 AM
This show is terrible. I keep watching it though, in the vain hope that it will get better.
Seriously, if they picked some TALENTED contestants & gave them opportunities to display & nurture those talents (Tyra, ever watched Project Runway?), the show would be so much better. Making stupid people compete in menial, demeaning tasks only makes for an unlikeable, unwatchable show.
I can see why Danielle left but it should have been Kate. Checking her lipgloss instead of identifying guests is surely auf-worthy.
11/25/08 9:57 AM
BTW Johanna is a biatch - 'I think beauty is tall & skinny' - what a lovely thing to say to your overweight teammate.
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