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In or Out: Natalie Portman and Debra Messing

Natalie Portman and Debra Messing attend the 2008 Glamour Women of the Year Awards at Carnegie Hall in New York City.






Jolibe Fall 2008

She looks great. It's a beautiful dress and she wears it well. Hate the shoes but she's into that whole vegan shoe thing and that doesn't always translate into pretty. IN.






Ralph Lauren Fall 2008

It's a pretty dress on the model but it's not working for Debra. We're not quite sure why. Maybe because she's about 20 years older than the model and a couple of sizes larger, but it's just not doing her figure any favors. She looks schlumpy. It also doesn't help that her styling is so severe and she could have used a couple of big pieces of jewelry to set off the dress. The model's earrings help make the look and Debra's are practically invisible. OUT.

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94 comments:

maybe, just maybe, they would look better if they SWITCHED dresses. probably both would be more age appropriate.

-TLo Addict-


Agreed-- Natalie in, Debra out. Deb's dress looks funny around her hips/waist.


Debra! Open toed shoes and no pedicure? OUT


Definitely agree

For Debra the issue is her waist to hip ratio. If her waist was more narrow in comaprison to her hips the dress would work much better on her

Frank


Debra's hair and makeup is too severe and makes her look older than she is.

Natalie looks great. If you really want to see her in "in" mode, check out this rap from Saturday Night Live
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8e6-IeQ0aw
Be warned - you might want to put the headphones on or not listen to it at work....


natalie is adorable - IN

debra (who i adore)the dress doesnt look very good on her-OUT


Natalie would be In if the overdress part was not four inches longer than the underdress part (it is MUCH closer on the model) and she wore at least some makeup.

I agree it's the hip to waist that is a problem for Debra, also doesn't it seem like the sheer part of hers is a different fabric than on the model, and more gathered on her? Doesn't seem like she got the exact same dress

I like the idea of switching their dresses - they might both be IN then.


Natalie looks fantastic. But why don't you like the shoes ? I think they look fine.

My first reaction to Debra's was that it looks like a black hole.
Why is it so poorly lit compared to the model ? The dress just shimmers on the runway. I agree about the earrings and hair, too understated.


I think part of what throws the dress in the second images off is that she's wearing it too low.

Look at the model. The top sits snug right under her armpits, and it ends well above her knee.

Now look at Debra. It starts well below her armpits and runs down to her knees. I think she was looking to show more cleavage and just ended up looking silly. Especially with a fitted dress where the waist shouldn't be shoved around the hips.


Love Natalie's dress, but I agree with Cherie Patrick about the overdress being a bit too long. I do have to admit, I'm really getting tired of long, stringy hair, though. Dress: In Hair and makeup: Out

Debra, Debra, Debra...not an age or figure appropriate dress for you, and you really need a good pedicure. Dress looks great on the model, not so great on you. Totally: Out


I liked Natalie's dress better with the black tights (I know) it looks edger that way. Bare legged it looks a tad old for her.

I love the cha-cha skirt on Debra, but she needs a waist cincher to give her waist more definition. That's all.


Natalie IN. She is so very cute!

Debra OUT. What is going on near the bottom of that dress! Ek!!


Debra's got a great figure, but you can't tell with that dress. It flattens her out on top and the flounce at the hem makes her look bottom-heavy.
Natalie looks great, down to her vegan shoes!


I love Natalie's look. The dress looks better on her than on the model.

I agree that there's something mildly off about Messing's dress. Were the proportions altered? The tulle (?) seems stiffer and more wrinkled on Messing's as well, and there seems to be a bit of a bulge where it meets the other fabric.

I also think that the sheer black hose the model is wearing look better than Messing's apparently naked legs (I hate that look, in general).


Agree here too.

Natalie Portman looks lovely. Not an earth-shattering look, but still, IN.

Debra Messing: What happened? You've been looking wonderful in Starter Wife. Something is very wrong with that dress, especially compared to the runway version. It looks flat and makes her look schlumpy and hippy.


The model is wearing dark hose extending the line of the dress. Debra is bare legged so the dress cuts her in three parts with the middle part being the biggest. This makes her lovely figure look heavy.

Also that pulled back hair look is only good on her when they do something to soften it. Like a scarf. She should avoid pulled back hair, it makes her face look lopsided Bigger earrings would have helped.


Natalie - IN

Debra - OUT

That dress makes her hips and ass look huge and she is NOT that big.


Natalie looks great, the dress is beautiful and suits her. And I like the natural look she is going for. I'm fed up with women who wear too much makeup.

Deb's dress on the other hand doesn't look good on her, she looks drab. And the makeup and hair styling are a disaster.


Debra is a whole lot of mess.


Yeah Natalie, boo Debra. Fire your gays.

TLo Addict, I think you have a point. They would have looked better in each other's dresses. Can anyone photoshop that?


Debra doesn't have the girls to hold that kind of a dress up - she's always been small up top and has what I think are pretty broad shoulders. Consequently, I've never thought Debra looked good in strapless styles. I agree about her not having a defined waist in this dress. Frankly she looks mannish to me.

I'd love Natalie's outfit only if she had done something more with her hair.


Did Rachel dress Debra? Looks like!

Natalie is exquisite.


TLo Addict has it - switch dresses!

Debra's styling too severe and the hip-hugging is not working for her. Sorry, but you are auf.

Portman looks a little matronly in this - she could have had this shortened. But the dress is in better taste and she's in.


Agreed. Natalie IN. When a dress looks even better on you than on the model, you've got yourself a winner. And I think her shoes are just fine.

Debra, unfortunately OUT. That dress does nothing for her figure.


Debra would have looked much better with her hair down and different jewelry... also... use some nail polish in your toes!!!! come on!
so is Rachel Zoe still her stylist? no no no Rachel!!!!


It always surprised me when Debra Messing is referred to as a style icon, because more often than not, she looks like ass...like here. That dress looks horribly dowdy on her - not at all youthful like on the model. This is the kind of dress you put on and think "Ewwww, it looked much better on the hanger." It is obviously bad, and I can't believe she didn't try on anything more flattering for this event.


Mommyca said it first - Debra needed some toenail polish. Ugh. I haven't ever really appreciated Debra Messing, so I'm not surprised this is out.


I actually kind of like Natalie's shoes, but Debra looks all hips all the time.


I don't really like Natalie's dress, either. It seems too mature for her, and I don't really think it's that cute to begin with. The vegan shoes could be much cuter. I think they're both kinda out.


The tulle on the bottom looks like she had some more added, doesn`t it? The models looks more slippery, or something.....

Kzspot


I think Natalie looks great. That girl is going to fashion-age very gracefully, I predict.

Debra looks like, if she let her air out, the dress would fall off. And that silhouette needs looser hair to balance it out. I blame Rachel Zoe.


The problem - IMHO - is that both dresses are fugly.

Both are trying too hard.

Peace!


Sorry! These were NEVER pretty dresses. If they'd have been part of a runway challenge they'd both be in the bottom 3.


I do not really care for either dress. Debra's dress does not like the same dress the model is wearing. The skirts look totally different.


Honestly, would YOU let Rachel Zoe dress you? I know I wouldn't.


Debra Messing? OUT! The dress does nothing for her. Natalie Portman looks great. I hate the shoes, though.


The Ralph Lauren's dress looks a hundred times better on the model.


I agree, but Debra's isn't totally awful, just not great


Debra needs to ask Tim Gunn to do that 3D body "scan" and show her how her body actually looks like and which types of dresses look good on her.


Natalie looks very Audrey Hepburn in that dress. Simply gorgeous. (I just wish she'd worn her hair in an updoo though).

That dress Debra is wearing is awful. I don't care if it is Ralph Lauren. It looks like she stole it off a dead flapper.

--GothamTomato


I agree with the waist issue for Debra. This dress makes her look really boxy, which is never good on any female.

I love the dress on NPortman, but would have loved to see the hair back or up.


TampaBay said...
I do not really care for either dress. Debra's dress does not like the same dress the model is wearing. The skirts look totally different.


The tulle on the model is smoother and less gathered, and above the knee. Also, her hose is a perfect choice.

The tulle on Debra is more gathered and longer. It looks like she took the original off and had a longer one put on, which looks very homemade and weighs down an already heavy look.

If Debra had stayed with the original design and wore the right size (hers looks 2 sizes too big) and had the waist taken in to show a waistline, that would have helped.

I don't see her age playing into this at all. I just can't climb on board that whole "if you're over 40 then you can't do this or that" nonsense. It depends on the woman. Her hair and makeup were not fresh and youthful. If Debra let her hair down and didn't cake on the eye makeup, and opted for the hosery the model had - then this could have been an IN instead of an OUT.


Natalie in.... but why I don't like the shoes is that little puffball at the front, I have seen her wear those before, a tinted hose and a simple shoe.
The dress is too young for Debra, and it just doesn't fit. I'm with "bailey" on this one, she is kinda hit and more miss


Debra's hips just look large and I know they aren't. Maybe if the dress were longer it would work better.


nat's got the frumps


With her hair down and some glam jewelry, Debra would have been okay, if not inspired. I have never understood why some think she is such a fashionista. She just doesn't seem to have an eye for what looks good on her, and does NOT do well most of the time.
I agree that Natalie's overskirt is too long.


Did anyone see America Ferrera at this event? I can't figure out the designer of her dress - it is very reminiscent of Laura Bennett's belted/beaded dress in the final runway. Just curious and I saw this same event here so I thought I'd see if anyone knew!

Oh, and I agree - Natalie in (not a huge fan of the hair, though), Debra out. I love Debra, especially her new figure post-baby; but I think she's still dressing for the stick-thin look she used to have.


Ooooo, not a good look on Debra. Did Rachel Zoe dress her in that? Makes her hips look HUGE.


Natalie's outfit is lovely and nicely styled. I thought she was designing her own shoe line now.

Debra's stylist really missed the mark on this one. The dress appears too big because it is inappropriate for Debra's figure. She is not a curvy girl and that dress creates curves that make her look hippy. I think that dress wouldn't flatter her even if she had it altered to fit her figure more closely.

Too bad. She usually does such a good job of appearing stylish and chic.


honesty.not.pc

They are both an OUT for me. I dislike the heavy heavy satin on Natalie's dress. I like the peak out sparkles though. I just think the dress overwhelms her a bit. She is adorable though. Ugh but those shoes are beyond awful!

Debra is a super out. That dress is so unflattering. The length is awkward and it makes her hips look wide (which I know they aren't).

Blech


honesty.not.pc

They are funeral Oompa Loompa shoes!

ACK!


Anonymous said...

Ooooo, not a good look on Debra. Did Rachel Zoe dress her in that? Makes her hips look HUGE.


Rachel Zoe is her stylist. I usually like what she picks for Debra Messing, but that's not a good look for her at all. Natalie Portman always looks stylish.


The shoes are FUGLY!


Natalie Portman - Sort of IN.
Debra Messing - OUT.


I think a cruelty-free shoe is always more stylish than one made out of skin, even if it isn't that great on it's own. Yes, she could have found a nicer piece of footwear, but it says something great when you say no to cruelty for vanity.

I didn't like either of the dresses that much however, especially the second. Debra appears to be massive around the middle because of it.


I think a cruelty-free shoe is always more stylish than one made out of skin, even if it isn't that great on it's own. Yes, she could have found a nicer piece of footwear, but it says something great when you say no to cruelty for vanity.

I didn't like either of the dresses that much however, especially the second. Debra appears to be massive around the middle because of it.


Debra - Not age appropriate, too young. It looks great on the model. Was the dress recut, it looks different? If she is going to wear her hair pulled back, she needs jewelry - necklace, dangly earrings or both. I do like Debra's aura.
OUT

Natalie - Gorgeous girl in a gorgeous dress. Why so sad / serious? She looks like a tomboy whose mom forced her to get dolled up for a swanky party.
IN Minus.


Now, I'm not going to pretend I'm the biggest fan of Rachel Zoe, but she is usually very good about finding dresses that don't totally ruin one's bustline. This just doesn't feel like a very Zoe look. I doubt she styled it. Debra probably doesn't go to her for every single appearance she makes.


=] I think Natalie pulls it off better than the model in this case, lol!


Why didn't Ms. Messing Leave her hair down? Not that it would've helped the odd lumping around the hip area of her dress, but come on severe doesn't work for her : /


I also think Debra M's shoes are a size too big for her ... like she borrowed someone's Louboutins on the way out the door, so she didn't have time to get a pedi.


Natalie's dress is great.

I don't like Debra's dress. I don't think it has anything to do with her age or her size---it is just a fugly dress. DM usually looks great but the hair is too severe. I don't know. Your comments almost made it sound like she needed to be a size zero to wear the dress. To me, that is a problem with the dress, not Debra. She is a good, healthy size.


Natalie's dress is great.

I don't like Debra's dress. I don't think it has anything to do with her age or her size---it is just a fugly dress. DM usually looks great but the hair is too severe. I don't know. Your comments almost made it sound like she needed to be a size zero to wear the dress. To me, that is a problem with the dress, not Debra. She is a good, healthy size.


Debra is gorgeous but doesn't always make the best styling choices. Natalie looks lovely but I agree- the tights make it look edgier and younger - which she is. Also, we have to give her a pass on the shoes - as a fellow vegan shoe wearer - OMG it is the worst trying to find cute shoes. The worst.


pickanameanyname

Brenna, I think Debra is a healthy weight and has a nice shape. I'm guessing she's a size 6? The dress appears to be two sizes too large on her. Like she's wearing a size 10, and it's hanging off of her. The problem is definitely with the fit of the dress.


When a dress doesn't 'flatter' someone as skinny as Debra Messing, there's something wrong with the dress, not the person wearing it. Seriously.


What the hell does 'hippy' mean? Everybody keeps on talking about it in the comments, and I'm like "Is having hips bad?". Woman usually have hips, so you're kinda dissing every woman when you say that. (There's also plenty of beautiful women out there who don't have as big of hips, don't worry)


Like pretty much everyone here.. Natalie in, but the hair is boring, and Debra out.

And Gorgeous Things, that video is HILARIOUS! :-D


Debra looks like she has no waist! Either Zoe has lost her touch or Debra did this on her own.


Debra's dress isn't working for her because either her hips or her abdomen or both are working against her. She doesn't have the same silhouette as the model at all; where there's a graceful curve on the model, the same dress on Debra looks more like a piling in the Hudson River.


There's something about the space between Debra's clavicles and the top of the dress that feels almost mannish. It doesn't help that there is no hint of cleavage there.


Leo said...
I don't see her age playing into this at all. I just can't climb on board that whole "if you're over 40 then you can't do this or that" nonsense. It depends on the woman.

I totally agree.


Anonymous said...

Ooooo, not a good look on Debra. Did Rachel Zoe dress her in that? Makes her hips look HUGE.

Rachel Zoe is her stylist. I usually like what she picks for Debra Messing, but that's not a good look for her at all. Natalie Portman always looks stylish.


I do not think the Debra Messing styling is Rachel Zoe's work this time around. Does not look like Rachel Zoe to me.


Yikes! The problem with Debra's look is NOT her, or her size: It is the dress. It is an ugly dress and it doesn't fit. But even if it did fit, it would still be ugly.

I seriously hope that she didn't pay a stylist to pull that dress for her. She could have done better herself at any thrift shop.

--GothamTomato


Fellow posters!

How do you quote a specific comment if you want to respond to a specific comment.

Thanks


TampaBay said...
Fellow posters!

How do you quote a specific comment if you want to respond to a specific comment.

Tampa - you need to highlight the text and hit control c to copy.
Then go to the comment area and hit control v to plop it into the box.


Anonymous said...
Honestly, would YOU let Rachel Zoe dress you? I know I wouldn't.


Hell NO! Not unless I can rip those ridiculous sunglasses off her head, cut her hair to actually accentuate her features instead of hide them AND get her to stop saying, "I DIE!" with every bit of 70's clothing! LMAO.

Natalie--IN (Although I'm still not sure what constitutes "vegan" shoes---plastic? Vegan implies vegetables...are they constructed out of spinach leaves and sewn with hemp? I'm confused--if all they are is just not animal skin, that's not vegan!)

Debra--OUT. OUT big time. She looks like she's been shoehorned into that dress and if she lets out her hair to breath it will pop off!

Can someone PLEASE tell me WHY these actresses and actors go to award shows? Let's face it, nobody wants to do award meetings at work since they are so boring so why would you dress up to go to one? (Besides the obvious reason--presstime).


I think Debra's dress looks bad on the model, too. The hip section even bags on the small hips of the model.

I think this dress is very poorly designed. If your dress can't look good on freakin' Debra Messing, who is about a size 2, then you fail! Bad design.


Gloria Said...

Tampa - you need to highlight the text and hit control c to copy.
Then go to the comment area and hit control v to plop it into the box.

Thanks! I still can't figure out how to get Italics but I am working on it!


For another side of Natalie Portman that you may not have seen...

http://www.hulu.com/watch/1404/saturday-night-live-snl-digital-short-natalie-raps#s-p2-st-i2


Haha; the comments here remind me of Johnny from Airplane. "Where did you get that dress? It's aaaawful; and that coat and those shoes; JEEEEEEEZ."

I think Natalie Portman is definitely in.

Debra looks sad in her sad dress.


Agreed -- Natalie looks gorgeous; Debra, not so much. I don't care for Debra and thinks she looks less stylish and more look at me! look at me! on her best days, but think that closed-toe, slightly higher heels, better earrings, softer hair and raising that hemline to the knee would have helped.

OT: I'm a very long-time lurker and love your blogs, but damn it all if I'm not now watching "Stylista" despite the craptacular quality of that show. In a just world, I wouldn't know that Megan and Dyshaun exist.


Tampa Bay: To get italics, enter "i" in between two "<" brackets before the text you want to italicize, then "/i" between "<" brackets at the end of the text to be italicized. (all sans quotes, btw)

ie:
i think Natalie Portman is <"i">DULL<"/i"> no matter what she's wearing.


Vegan implies vegetables...are they constructed out of spinach leaves and sewn with hemp? I'm confused--if all they are is just not animal skin, that's not vegan!)


Vegan means without any animal ingredients and without causing cruelty to animals. It does not imply vegetables.


Vegan implies vegetables...are they constructed out of spinach leaves and sewn with hemp? I'm confused--if all they are is just not animal skin, that's not vegan!)


Vegan means without any animal ingredients and without causing cruelty to animals. It does not imply vegetables.


With Deb's dress, I think it's one of those dresses you just have to see in motion... and her shape is not doing it any favors. Nor are the shoes... WTF?

And Natalie Portman is adorable! I named my daughter after a few Natalies I adore and she's at the top of the list! You look stunning, girl!


honesty.not.pc

Vienna Marriot said:

"Haha; the comments here remind me of Johnny from Airplane. "Where did you get that dress? It's aaaawful; and that coat and those shoes; JEEEEEEEZ.""

OMG LMFAO! I totally remember that part of the movie.


Natalie looks gorgeous!


messing's dress is just a couple of inches too long.


GO Holland !!!! The Model in the image wearing the Portman dress is Holland , She is one of my favourite models and has walked in three of my shows.


Natalie looks gorgeous..! I love her dress.


Natalie: Definitely in! I think she looks great, although I wish she would have done something with her hair. Too limp for that dress, I think.

Debra: Out, definitely. I feel like she never really quite hits the mark. Disappointing, because I love her.


Debra-in! Natalie-out.

Natalie looks like a grandma in that dress.
Deb looks fabulous as always!


Duh Debra looks better. She needs a pedicure but that's it. Natalie looks terrible in that dress. It drowns her.





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