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Mad Men S2E6: Maidenform

For an episode long on shots of characters looking into mirrors, this was strangely short on a lot of introspection. The opening shots of Betty, Joan and Peggy putting on their undergarments had a cold, clinical quality to them as the women harshly assessed their appearance but barely seemed to notice themselves in their reflections.

It was the men who stared long and hard at themselves. In Pete's case, he seemed to like what he saw after his bizarre dalliance with the rejected Playtex model who lives with her mother. Don, on the other hand, saw something in his reflection that he simply couldn't handle and, this being Mad Men, we're not sure what that was.

Despite our hopes that their relationship had literally come crashing down around them, it appears that Bobbie and Don are still drawn to each other, no matter how dangerous their attraction seems. We started liking Bobbie a little more after last episode and she continues to drop little bombshells, like the revelation that she has two grown children. Don, on the other hand, clearly doesn't want to know too much about her and it's interesting to note that Don's reaction to Bobbie's motherhood is exactly the same as Arthur's reaction when he sees Betty with her kids: extreme discomfort. Women had very strictly defined roles at this time and the male characters seem to struggle with the idea of a woman having two sides to her: mother and sexual being.

Don REALLY doesn't like that not only is Bobbie a mommy with a clitoris, but she's also a woman who talks to other women about sex. You could see his mind being blown when she revealed that he has a reputation among a certain class of Manhattan women for being something of a he-slut. Because he's Don Draper, he had to react in the most egregious manner possible, tying Bobbie up and reprimanding her for not shutting up before walking out on her. Sometimes Don's a lovable rogue and sometimes he's just a shit. We're not sure exactly what Don was thinking when he reacted to his reflection in the mirror, but clearly the worship in little Sally Draper's eyes is killing him. It's interesting how Betty takes her frustration with Don out on her son and Don uses his daughter as his conscience. It's not just that these kids are mixing drinks for their parents; they're also standing in for the adults in their lives that they can't face.

Of course, that "two sides to a woman" theme is prevalent this episode as Sterling Cooper tries to convince Playtex to go with a more playful, Maidenform-like approach to their advertising. Peggy is ironically pushed aside on the one account that none of the male executives have any personal experience with and forced to watch the men reduce the needs of women to "making men happy." Unsurprisingly, the pitch fails and Playtex wisely decides to continue selling their items directly to women instead of to mythical women who are only concerned about men.

Frustrated and shut out, Peggy turns to the last person one would expect: Joan. Joan's not one to cluck and hug and make someone feel all better. No, our girl is just as harsh as anyone else in this world, at first taking Peggy to task for "Never listen[ing] to a word I say," a criticism both endearing in its petulance and dead on in finding its mark, and then getting serious and telling her that if she wants to be taken seriously as a woman, she should stop dressing like a little girl.

This mirrors exactly what Peggy learned from Bobbie last week: that the art of being a woman is "powerful business" when it's done correctly and Peggy needs to learn how to do it if she wants to move ahead. The men in the office seem to have a sort of begrudging respect for Peggy, but they don't see her as a complete person. She's neither a Jackie or a Marilyn to them and since that's the sum total of womanhood for these men, Peggy is something of an oddity to them. Like a bear riding a bicycle.

So Peggy shows up in a much nicer dress with her hair all done and plops down in the lap of the first man she sees. It's a little painful. On the one hand, we want to applaud her for stepping outside herself and doing what she needs to to get ahead. On the other hand, we're cringing because apparently she needs to wear tighter dresses and sit on men's laps to do so. Pete gave her another "I don't like you like this" look but for once, we kind of agree with him. Peggy, we don't like you like this, but we get that in 1962 your options for advancement were limited and when you've got women like Joan Holloway and Bobbie Barrett mentoring you, it's only a matter of time before the wiggle and the giggle start entering your arsenal. It'll be interesting if the new womanly Peggy sticks around, especially once her mother and sister get a load of her.

In other Sterling Cooper news, Duck and Don seemingly bury the hatchet but that's not good enough for Duck, apparently. We knew there was some supposed crackup in his past and we were waiting for it to rear its head, but we were surprised that it just came up out of nowhere. Kudos to Mark Moses for a great bit of acting, because the scene where he let his beloved dog go so he could go upstairs and ruin his life in peace was utterly devastating. We have a feeling that Duck's inevitable slide into tragedy will be long and painful, so strap yourselves in.

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options in 1962? my best friend, a lady reporter with legs up to there, says that on her first job (in 1993), she was put on the crime beat, and that the best way to get a story was to show some legs at the cops (or robbers for that matter).

and. that it didn't change that much when she moved to the political desk.

what i like about the peggy story right now is that it's accurate for the time, but it's also timely for now. the overt slights aren't quite as ham-fisted perhaps, but if you want to make VP, you better show some gams. the version that i see in my white-collar firm is that women have to be delicate about stroking the male ego. it can't be too handsy, but it has to be there.

also? rich sommer (swoon) looks a little like a huskier project runways season 4 hottie steven?

The men were definitely imploding this week. All that inner torment is bubbling to the surface and it's torture to watch, while still compelling and almost expected.

When Sally looked at her father with such pride, I thought Don was going to burst into tears. His lies are what make her so proud and what's slowly killing him.

I guess it's only fitting that as the men start falling apart, the women make gains, some of them small and barely perceptible and others quite major.

Peggy's transformation -- we knew it was going to happen, but boy oh boy, did she ever make it a bold one. I can't wait to see what she has up her sleeve in the weeks to come!

Interesting, too, is what will happen with Betty. She's teetering on the brink of an affair. She has been for a while, but you see the wheels turning in her head now. Or perhaps she'll start following Don. One way or another, she's going to make a drastic and dramatic move to take control of her life.

yes! i've been waiting for the t.lo take on mad men since sunday! thanks for the insights!

C'est moi, c'est moi Lola

Boys, I say this with love, but -

Damn you TLo! You totally got me hooked on Mad Men!

Aimlessly flipping around cable this weekend and got sucked into the marathon of season 2.

I don't know if I can keep up with the show every Sunday (I already watch too much tv for my own good), but that's why we have you, now don't we?

Love Joan, loved Don's face when Bobbie called him out as a man-ho. And I also wish Peggy doesn't think she has to hang at strip clubs all the time to be 'one of the boys'.

Thanks for the insightful commentary.

I sure hope Peggy dials it back a few notches. Don't give in, Peggy, be yourself! (That dress was hot, tho.)

I'm wondering if the reason Don was so discombobulated about having a rep is his compulsion for secrecy. What does the chick at Random House know about him?

It totally broke my heart when he let the dog go...

You guys could teach a college class on Mad Men. Your writing is that detailed and insightful. Bravo...oh, wait, that's the other show.

Anyway, because of your analysis I find myself watching the show with such a critical eye and looking for symbolism and meaning. It's the way I used to read literature for HS and college, and I love that you've got me watching TV this way.

I went back and rented Season 1 because I missed half the episodes. Am plowing through them and have no intention of mssing any of this season.

Can we audit this blog for credit from the Televison Watching Academy of TLo?

I want a TWATL sweatshirt!

There was so much in this episode about being looked at and judged, from Don's initial discomfort standing up to be appreciated as a veteran on Memorial Day, to his reaction to the fact that Bobbie had been talking about him, to his discomfort with Sally's adoration. And the models begin judged by all the men. And, of course, Duck being judged by his ex-wife, by his kids, by Don and finally by the dog.

laughing at TWATL...

This was one of the episodes where I feel like I need a Cliff's notes at the end. Senior Seminar episode.

So much with the reflections and the two-sides and the dichotomies. Oh, and the staring. When Don came back to the house after he left the country club early, and was staring out the window while drinking milk...what was THAT about?

Wee Sally Draper is really doing a great job this season.

I'm still devastated by the scene with Duck and Chauncey. I didn't really like him until I saw his vulnerability. Now I'm pulling for him, but I'm afraid that ship is sunk. Sadness.

I've been watching Mad Men staring at Joan going "I know her from somewhere" and it finally clicked thanks to your screencaps! She was the best, bar none, villain on Firefly. Her character there had a lot of the same traits as Joan; alluring, using her sexuality as a very powerful weapon, and even when people knew she was dangerous they couldn't help but listen to her. Yay Joan!

I thought Don was reacting to what his daughter said, not to her 'adoration' as you and others have mentioned. I keyed on her saying that she would not talk while he shaved, so that he wouldn't cut himself.

He did 'cut himself', on the memory of telling Bobbie to not talk.

I really like how the ad created for Playtex was reflected throughout the story. The idea of mirror images that are opposites, good for "day" and bad for "night" is seen throughout.

It's also interesting that though the ad is meant for women, it's the men who are seeing the polar opposites in the mirror. Don is struggling with being good, and I think that when he looks in the mirror he sees all the harm he's done. Campbell is opposite, we assume that he's been good since his last dalliance with Peggy.

The women, of course, have their "opposite" personalities come out during the show as well, but it's the men that are affected by mirrors.

In this episode it's not the mirrors they look into, but their significance as all around, characters are splitting in two.

Don is seeing something in the dark pools his eyes offer up in the mirror, and its dread. Peggy is neither Marilyn nor Jackie - a supposed "dilemma" she will solve, following a Don Draper operating manual...

Duck is returning to the problem of his past - the alcohol.

Last episode, brought us to see Don in contact with Peggy at the hospital, her waking up and asking "is that really you?"...The all-important shift, the "Draper-stare" was there.

Now in this episode, that stare appears again, in his mirror to himself.

Those two are a pair. As Don splits away from his Draper-persona, Peggy will inherit it to some degree...My feeling at least.

That scene with the dog was really sad. I didn't so much feel for Duck as I did for the dog!

Thank god you all are blogging about this show! My hubs has watched it since it started and I've tried to get into it but I got little confused.
But now I can read and see when I'm on the right track!!

You may have helped my marriage!! lol

I think Sally's comment of "not talking" brought Don back to his encounter with Bobbie in the bedroom. Don realizes that Sally looks up to him and that he influences her greatly, and he is scared of the example he is setting for her. Sally is growing up, and what I think shook Don so much was that he sees that she is becoming a young woman in a world where there are women like Bobbie.

Don and his minions don't understand that their Playtex campaign wouldn't succeed for one simple reason--women don't dress for men, they dress for other women. Straight guys don't notice your clothes, they notice your body--"nice blouse" is not-so-subtle code for "nice rack."

Don's reaction to his daughter's silent admiration is in sharp contrast to his reaction to Bobbi's very verbal admiration. He looks as if his whole carefully crafted world is crashing around him--his identity, the way he treats women. (Remember he tells Betty that wearing a bikini looks desperate.) Is Don's consciousness being raised before our eyes?

Okay, over 50 women, am I wrong? There were no pantyhose in 1962! In the opening underwear scene, Peggy is seen getting into a pair. She would have been putting on a girdle (or garter belt) and stockings. Pantyhose appeared in the late 60s along with the mini-skirt, which was too short to cover up your garters! So far, though, the only anachronism I've noticed.

i am loving the fall of the men on the show & how it mimics the show's title sequence. they rise in 'power' socially, but slowly lose all of their power personally, as they fall from the pedestals they put themselves on. meanwhile, the women continue to make little cracks in the male-dominated world. delicious!

duck abandoning his dog - heartbreaking. not only as an act of animal cruelty, but in the sense of him abandoning his conscience. his fall will be a long unfolding tragedy.

don - what a mess! i wonder if the show's hero will ever recover from the scummy life he's built for himself, or if he will lose his family and end up just a bit shy of duck's life. and even then, what will it take for him to turn it all around? could he ever be satisfied being the person he paints himself as? his facade has so many cracks, it's a wonder it's held together as long as it has.

pete - loserville. he tries desperately to be like don and sterling. but deep down he's most fullfilled when he's the hen-pecked husband. and yet he's attracted to peggy's sense of innocence & supposed weakness (something is sees in himself), but is disgusted by her when she displays any form of self-confidence - a quality he can't ever seem to get a hold of himself. i call jealousy.

betty - im on the edge of my seat waiting for her to crack up. something is ready to break in her and im curious which way it will go. i want so much for her to lose her shit on don and challenge him with all that she knows but wont admit to. but i have a feeling it might never happen. and that instead she will implode in a similar way to don. at least she might get some good sex out of it.

peggy - routing for her more and more... again im itching to see her annhilate the men around her. she has the cleverness to do it and the ability to rise well above them all - if they ever let her... guess i shouldnt hold my breath on that one.

joan - endless love.

Loving all the comments as much as the show ! BTW...I too, thought the pantyhose to be historically inaccurate. (I remembered my mother in the early 60's wearing garters and hose.) However, after looking it up, pantyhose was invented in 1959!

The question of Don's investment in Peggy, in believing in her, will become a real interesting option now as he will have to decide what he sees in her acting in this method. If he sees his daughter and imagines she is already being molded into subserviancy, does he see himself in Peggy, only in the options offered a woman, and can't stand it. Will he be able to take her on when she decides she is going to overstep the line, make alliances against him etc... as is the nature of the be(a)st there.

As for Peggy - there is a kind of finality to all this as where could Peggy end up anyway? What success is she likely to really have? It makes me believe, there is a Sopranos-style set-up ahead, at one point, Peggy can't really continue in terms of "moving up". To that extent, we haven't seen any alternate routes that a smart, quick learner like Peggy may also figure out, before just sitting on mens laps. She's out of place, and the more she wins, the more she accomodates "the place" she should's a no-win situation, as that "place" doesn't exist except in the men's fantasy.

A note on pantyhose from Wikipedia:
In 1959, Allen Gant Sr. of Glen Raven Mills introduced pantyhose. Stocking manufacturers began using circular knitting machines to reduce manual labor and create seam-free stockings. In 1965, Glen Raven Mills introduced a seam-free version of pantyhose, which coincided with the introduction of the miniskirt.

Probably not common in 1962

I'm not sure I can add anything terribly relevant - although Duck had my sympathy until he let the dog go. Who dumps a dog on the streets of Manhatten? (please, don't answer that ).

One quick question - can anyone else see Alexandra Paul (Duck's ex-wife) in anything and not immediately think "the Virgin Connie Swail." Or is it just me...

Thanks for your great analyis of this mesmerizing show!

I think the title-- "Maidenform"-- is significant. Women are forced by convention to conform to very specific roles, epitomized by Jackie and Marilyn. This conformity is played out by the very act of getting into all that restrictive underwear, especially the bra. Men have their prescribed roles also, as the series emphasizes, but they also have more freedom. We've never seen so much of Don's naked torso as in this episode. We also see him in a towel. Nice! And freer than the women in their bras. It's what Don does with this freedom that gives him that moment of horror, evoked by his daughter's words.

another laura

I have a question for the room:

Is Joan faking her engagement? Is it just a sign of the way this show works that I'm thinking this way?

another laura

embeedubya - YESSSSSSSSSS!!! I was taken aback by that. Pantyhose were not around until maybe even 1970. Certainly not early 1960s. I was buying stockings and garter belts in the late 60s for sure, even if I can't remember exactly when the first pantyhose came out.

another laura

well, all right, I've read the other posts but I can tell you with certainty that they were not widely available until the very late 60s

I too watched the marathon on Sunday and TOTALLY got into this show.

Kids: this stuff is SO painstakingly authentic to the time. Here's the moment that I can't stop thinking about, and it was so quick and subtle that only a writing staff and director that have done their homework would have known to include it.

When the American Airlines pitch was being set up in the conference room, the Art Director blew briefly on the layout.

For those who don't know, here is the timeline of "layout methodology" in backwards order:

today: computer

70's: magic marker

50's and 60's: pastel crayons...that were basically a fine grade of chalk. The final step before presenting the work was to spray the surface with something called "fixative" and invariably if the pitch was coming together till the very last minute (which is pretty typical, although you'd expect the senior account staff to have had it's final blessing of the work well before the meeting) you'd have someone blowing on the fixative to help it dry faster.

On to Peggy: Actually, Joan's admonishment to "don't try to be a man" may be appropos for much of the agency, but the truth is, in the creative department, for a woman to rise up the ranks, being less female and more male is exactly what has worked over time. Playing up your feminine attributes couldn't be more fatal. And this is probably going to play out as Peggy's store moves forward.

Even today, sadly, almost all big agencies have male creative directors, and this is true world-wide. I'm not really sure why it is...the old boy martini network has been supplanted in a lot of cases by the young-boy- video-game- extreme-drinking network.

God, I love Bobby's character. She actually started to remind me of Anne Bancroft in the Graduate.

TLO you guys have to be TV critics in another life, your write ups are sensational.

Regarding the pantyhose timeline debate:

Here's a Sears catalogue page from 1960 advertising pantyhose. That would make them available to someone like Peggy.

And here's a McCall's ad from May 1963 advertising Panti-Legs, the original panythose from Glen Raven Mills. It lists an office on Broadway in NY and notes that they are availbale in "fine stores."

THANK YOU, Tom and Lorenzo, for blogging about Mad Men!!!!!! I read Project Rungay every day, and love your always-fabulous take on that (of course), but it thrills me no end to have found your thoughtful and insightful analysis of my new favorite show. xoxoxooxo

As soon as I want to state that we're past much of this, I remember just this morning as I headed down to the bathroom before my Junior level engineering class to throw on make-up to make a good impression on the first day. They've actaully shown that "more attractive" faculty get better reviews from students.


RE: pantyhose.

They may not have been "widely available" in the early '60s, but don't forget that this is New York City, always on the cutting edge. Add to that that Peggy works in an ad agency, cutting edge of the cutting edge when it comes to new products. Perhaps Sterling Cooper was representing Hanes?

I remember pantyhose from the early-mid-60s: women were transitioning from stockings/garterbelts to pantyhose. One of the key scenes in Antonioni's 1966 film Blow-up was Jane Birkin rolling around in the photographer's studio and removing her pantyhose.

Scroll down this page and you'll see a photo of a pair of tights (Brit for pantyhose) from 1960.

Am I the only one who was disturbed by how much more affection Duck showed his dog than his kids?

Love this episode. Don's headed for a big breakdown. I thought the business with the milk-drinking was going to be a war flashback, but then it faked me out. Wasn't there the sound of a helicopter going by out the window?

It's interesting to see how both Betty and Peggy are attempting to assert themselves against the men in their lives. That tiny yellow bikini was to die for.

Loved the last shot in this episode as well, the painstaking slow mirror reveal. This show's so damn good.

Also much love to Joan and Duck setting the drink down after looking at his dog was interesting. Is he a recovering alcoholic? In 1962?

another laura

Well, I'll just never forgive my mother, now, for not letting me get pantyhose.

And also, y'all, I had to cover my eyes when Duck put his dog out the door of the office. I'm a dog lover and man, I couldn't stand it. What a pig, I hope he dies. Painfully.

Not that I get emotionally involved with TV shows, you know ...

Love the pantyhose sidebar! After I started it, I talked with a couple of older women who worked in the 60s (as secretaries, natch) and did NOT live in New York. They both said that there was talk of pantyhose but they don't remember seeing them in the stores until the mid- to late 60s. But they both said that career women resisted pantyhose at first -- only young girls wore them -- because, the theory went, if you got a run in one leg, you had to throw the whole pair away, whereas with stockings, you only lost one. And when you were making less than $2 an hour in the typing pool, that was a significant savings!

anonymous 3:57 said, Is he a recovering alcoholic? In 1962?

What? You think there weren't alcoholics in 1962? Or that none of them were in recovery?

FYI - Alcoholics Anonymous was founded in the '30s.

It totally broke my heart when he let the dog go...

I'll second that emotion.

That dress of Peggy's is FAB. U. LOUS.

I questioned the scene where Peggy put on the pantyhose too. Now that we know they were invented three years previously (thanks for the research, readers!) I think the scene was meant to show Peggy is a modern girl. She's the only character who seems willing to change with the times and not accept society's "place" for women. And that's why I love her, flaws and all. As awesome as Joan is, she can't quite do that yet.

In addition to Lilithcat's comment:

The 1st AA group formed in June 1935.

By 1955 the program had 6,000 groups with far more than 150,000 members.

If this season takes place in 1962, it's absolutely believable that Duck could be in recovery.

It's absolutely cracking me up that both here and on other Mad Men discussion sites, it's the dog being put outside that is breaking hearts. Not the casual cruelty to the children.

another laura

sixgables, the treatment of the kids has made me angry in episodes where Betty wanted Bobby to be spanked and Sally was mixing Sunday morning virgin marys. It's pathetic and hurtful, indeed. And I think I may have commented on it as a post on this blog. Bobby didn't get spanked by Don but his toy was broken.

However, this episode featured putting a dog out on the street in midtown Manhattan so its owner could get drunk without having to look at the dog. And that was pathetic and cruel.

i'm not dorothy gale

Many things to love about MM particularly for someone who lived in the era. Women didn't have hard bodies and visible muscles. The swimsuit models and strippers are all authentically fleshy. The smarmy jokes that would send the offender to HR posthaste today were just daily behavior.

And I hope someone, soon, shoves Duck out a door without food or shelter. Bastard.

I hope this show takes every Emmy for which they're nominated. Truly a sterling show....

Peggy isn't like a bear riding a bicycle, she is a FISH on a bicycle.


Anonymous 3:57-- Duck's ex also says something along the lines of, "I know afternoons are not good for you," implying that he wold be drunk after lunch. There was also a reference made to career problems he had in London which I interpreted to mean alcohol-related problems.

I think what done saw was a mirror. He's completely content at home, shut out from his other Manhattan self. That is, until Sally says she'll keep quiet, which is what Bobbie wouldn't do. It seems as if two separate parts of him came together and his worlds touched, and it knocked the wind out of him.
And also, I like the new Peggy. Old Peggy is clearly uncomfortable, but new Peggy is what's needed for her to advance as a woman in 1962. So, for Peggy choosing what she wants over who she is, I'm having a vodka gimlet in toast to her bravery.

Betty in that yellow bikini?
Wow. Zer.

Don calling Betty desperate was such a bitch slap, and the double standard of his degrading her show of skin while chasing after the likes of Bobbie (talk about desperate) chapped my hide.

Most depressing about that scene, however, was Betty's childlike acceptance of his judgement with the apologetic line "I didn't know that."

So many themes, character developments, etc. within every episode, I find myself processing them for days afterward.

Thanks, TLo!

I started watching Mad Men this season, and I'm hooked and perplexed in equal measure. Love your recaps, they help me figure out what the heck happened! (love your PR site as well!)

Anyway, what I think no one has mentioned yet is that the woman Pete slept with looked like a blonder, more glam version of Peggy - she had a similar Roman profile, anyway. I think it may be another example of the men on the show having a "type", and the "type" looking nothing like the guy's wife!

I don't get where exactly should Peggy advance to? What in 1962 would be on offer for her? I think it's inevitably a side-ways shift over, the wife or partner of someone in a powerful position. She would do that inevitably, when she realizes they don't make woman partners at that agency...

I agree that advertising and business in general was (and sadly still often is) dominated by men.

But I did some research and found that there were success stories out there for Peggy to emulate in the relatively small world of advertising (concentrated as it was around Madison Avenue).

Mary Wells Lawrence started her own agency, Wells Rich Greene, in 1966 and was a senior partner at another agency before that.

Janet L. Wolff was the youngest vice president at J. Walter Thompson Co. and led many clients into television advertising.

In 1954 Bernice Fitz-Gibbon started her own retail advertising agency and by the early 1950s, was reported to be the highest paid woman in advertising. In 1957, she was named as one of the leading business women in the nation by Fortune Magazine. She was the first woman copywriter to be elected to the Copywriter's Hall of Fame.

Shirley Polykoff took over the Clairol account at Foote, Cone & Belding in 1955 and created the hugely successful "Does She... Or Doesn't She?" campaign. She rose quickly at the agency and reached the position of executive vice president and creative director. She left FCB to found her own advertising agency, which quickly became a multi-million-dollar company with international significance.

There are quite a number of other examples out there. I hope Peggy follows their lead and goes smashing through the glass ceilings.

I'll echo what others said...the Don freak-out at the end was due to Sally's promise not to talk. It bothered him after his encounter with Bobbi...bothered me, too.

Is there any hope of a happy ending for these characters? This show is very bleak. And utterly realistic, unfortunately.

"Okay, over 50 women, am I wrong? There were no pantyhose in 1962!"

I noticed that too embeedubya. Even a few years after that I remember wearing a girdle with hooks for the stockings. Amazing that I wore a girdle in junior high and wouldn't even consider wearing one now that I need one.

Just stumbles upon this discussion and so glad I did. Up until now, I thought Don was just feeling regret for having asked for grapefruit.

Don was a shit but he was great when he said Irene Dunn in rebuttal to the dreaded Gertrude Stein comparison.

Also, have we seen Betty share a smile, joke, drink, candy cigarette with those little Draper kids? Was she as seething in resentment last season?

edina monsoon

Tip-toeing in late, but I just wanted to add how much I thoroughly enoyed this week's review/re-cap of the episode. Another excellent post, guys. I've alreadly seen the epi three times, but darn-it, did I get so much more out of your write-up than my multi-viewings of the episode. I love to dissect and discuss films and smart-shows like Mad Men because they're so rich in material and are both produced and filmed beautifully.

You guys have keen and insightful eyes and I rely on you both (heavily) to explain what I've seen on a more intellectual and creative level. Keep up the amazing work. Looking forward to next week's re-cap!

And on a purely superficial level, how hot was the bedroom scene with Don and Bobbie? And how about the contrast of that scene with Pete's lovemaking with the blonde model/actress who lived at home with her mom?

- edina -

About a run in one leg ruining a pair of pantyhose: My mother (born in 1953) tells me that the trick was to cut off the wrecked leg from the panty part and then keep the top until you got a run in the opposite leg of another pair. You then cut that one off and wore both one-legged panty parts at the same time. Did anyone else do this, or is my mother just ridiculously cheap?

You guys have me hooked on this show!

edina monsoon


"You then cut that one off, and wore both one-legged panty parts at the same time. Did anyone else do this, or is my mom just ridiculously cheap?"

No, ae, mom was not ridiculously cheap. Growing up with two older sisters and my mom in the household, there were pantyhose EVERYWHERE. My poor dad.

Anyway, I do remember hearing and witnessing attempts like the one you described at salvaging and repurposing wrecked and damaged nylons. I don't recall any one sure fire method that worked but, I definitely remember the one you described.

- edina -

Just on the Joan fabulosity front, Glarkware currently has a Joan t-shirt available in September only.

I've been watching Mad Men lately. Sixteen Emmy nominations are persuasive and your seal of approval tipped me. While I like the series (I can't love it because of the misogynistic viewpoint of the men, which evokes too many memories of my hard drinking, country clubbing, womanizing father-in-law), I doubt the show will every truly take off as anything but a critical hit. The scripts are simply too thought-provoking and intelligent to appeal to the general public.

This is all good and everything, but when are you going to do the Shear Genius finale?

I can not get enough of your bitchery! Give me more!!!! I pay extra for my satellite service to get the Bravo channel just so I can keep up with what y'all are blogging about! Thanks so much TLo! I love you guys!

I love your commentary and this show so much, I'm actually going back over old posts. I am a sad, pathetic human being.

I scrolled through all comment posts, and didn't see anyone mention what my mother (who was, unlike me, alive at the time during which Mad Men's set) told me after Duck chose booze over Chauncey: there was no such thing as adopting a pet from the pound back then. That poor dog was probably caught then put to sleep, if he wasn't hit by a cab or bus first. Duck knew this. Chauncey was a good, well-behaved, loyal dog, and he did that to the poor creature. I have hated Duck ever since that scene.

Now I know I'm very, very late to this party but I must post.

Please note, I'm only up to episode 9 of season 2, so I don't know how things will pan out for the rest of the season 2 or of season 3.

I love that everyone is looking for the deeper and often multi-faceted possiblities for every action. They could all be right, they could all be wrong, but they are all plausible.

To this, I have to add my possibility for Chauncy's abandonment. A lot of times people have to psych themselves up to do a horrible action. Otherwise they are too scared.

Most of you think that Duck got rid of Chauncy so that he could drink in peace sans conscience. I think he abandoned the dog to FURTHER his self-hatred. He loved that dog. Chauncy was the only family member left who loved him and he knew it.

I thought the scene was going to end with his suicide. Getting rid of Chauncy was the catalyst. I still think he will follow through with it, though.

I didn't like Duck's character and really wanted him to get his come uppance once he lost the AA acount. This scene made me feel more pity for him than I wanted to.

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